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[quote=GridIron26;1194457]John Keim and few other analysts emphasized this pick is purely based on Apke's athleticism. We have good DB coach in Gray, I suppose Redskins believe Gray can coach him up. Apke would become a steal if Apke is able to learn well.[/quote]

If anybody can coach him up is Gray....I just think you take those type of players in the 6th round, not 4th. Im gonna go back and look who was there...but there were better BPA.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194459]If anybody can coach him up is Gray....I just think you take those type of players in the 6th round, not 4th. Im gonna go back and look who was there...but there were better BPA.[/QUOTE]Exactly! If he is not instinctive, and thinks too much at the college level, then the NFL is going to be too fast mentally for him.

With that athleticism, he only started his senior year.

Probably will be a bad pick, a reach.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1194460]Exactly! If he is not instinctive, and thinks too much at the college level, then the NFL is going to be too fast mentally for him.

With that athleticism, he only started his senior year.

Probably will be a bad pick, a reach.

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Going back and looking...There were much better prospects at CB, Safety, and WR. Also, could have gotten Sweat...DE the Eagles stole. He's gonna be a beast.

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[quote=Chico23231;1194459]If anybody can coach him up is Gray....I just think you take those type of players in the 6th round, not 4th. Im gonna go back and look who was there...but there were better BPA.[/quote]

Keep in mind that there were 60 picks until our next pick. If Gray, or a college scout was super high on this guy, they may have felt he wouldn't make it 60 more picks. I tend to think this pick is one that somebody in the decision tree stood on the table for(figuratively) and said he was worth the risk.

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[quote=Chico23231;1194456][url]https://player.fm/series/cooley-and-kevin-with-chris-cooley-and-kevin-sheehan/ep-05-03-18-cooley-kevin-hr-2[/url]

Cooley's Safety Troy Apke Film review.

The Good News: he can contribute to special teams

The Bad News: He is a terrible safety who doesn't play his position very well. Tackling issues at safety but those issues don't appear on Special Teams. He thinks too much at the safety position...which is bad bad news when your doing it on the college level already and its gonna get worse at the NFL level.

Cooley wouldn't say it, but Kevin did...this was a big time reach. Cooley said this was strictly a combine pick where his forty numbers and his vert got him drafted 2 rounds too high. Cooley said his tape at safety is absolutely not a 4th round grade.

Do you reach for a player with only special team value...and not kicking or returning the ball....but tackling a ball carrier?

The answer is no. bad pick

Tim Settle pick makes up for this garbage though...so not too mad.[/quote]

He was versatile and switched as the coaching staff needed him to at Penn State. I think he's a guy you give to coach Gray, and let him figure out what to do with him.

Since he looks to be a special teams ace, you have the time to turn him into a valuable piece on the defense.

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Draft reports on Nicholson last year were pretty bad too just to keep in mind

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You can watch all the film and grade u want, until they step on the PRO field you really have no true idea.

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[quote=MTK;1194468]Draft reports on Nicholson last year were pretty bad too just to keep in mind[/quote]

This was on my mind after we made the pick...I thought the same thing about Nicholson. But Cooley kinda put me more in a back mood because of the pick.

torian gray does know what he is doing...transformed Nicholson into a decent starter and raised Fuller's level to probowl type level.

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[quote=Chico23231;1194456][url]https://player.fm/series/cooley-and-kevin-with-chris-cooley-and-kevin-sheehan/ep-05-03-18-cooley-kevin-hr-2[/url]

Cooley's Safety Troy Apke Film review.

The Good News: he can contribute to special teams

The Bad News: He is a terrible safety who doesn't play his position very well. Tackling issues at safety but those issues don't appear on Special Teams. He thinks too much at the safety position...which is bad bad news when your doing it on the college level already and its gonna get worse at the NFL level.

Cooley wouldn't say it, but Kevin did...this was a big time reach. Cooley said this was strictly a combine pick where his forty numbers and his vert got him drafted 2 rounds too high. Cooley said his tape at safety is absolutely not a 4th round grade.

Do you reach for a player with only special team value...and not kicking or returning the ball....but tackling a ball carrier?

The answer is no. bad pick

Tim Settle pick makes up for this garbage though...so not too mad.[/quote]

Mmmh, Cooley began his breakdown with "uncomfortable in the back pedal"... not a good thing for a safety... "below just a guy at safety right now"...

One thing though, he initially was a receiver, he switched to DB in college, so maybe he still has things to learn at this position and really could get coached up.

Let's hope they did see something others didn't... and if it doesn't pan out, hey [B]they missed on a 4th rounder[/B] in a draft that began with us finally drafting a [U]solid NT[/U], getting [U]a 3rd rounder back[/U], drafting a [U]promising RB[/U] in the 2nd and apparently a [U]potential steal swing tackle[/U] in the 3rd, and then founding another [U]good NT[/U] in the 5th round... nothing to get really crazy about.

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[URL="https://omny.fm/shows/cooley-and-kevin-with-chris-cooley-and-kevin-sheeh/05-11-18-cooley-film-breakdown-trey-quinn-1"]Cooley's Film Breakdown of "Mr Irrelevant" Trey Quinn WR[/URL]

This may be one of the best 7th round pick ever. Cooley said he wouldn't have considered it a reach had we picked him in the 4th.

Only negatives were "he's a little stiff as a runner" (but it doesn't really slow him down) and "the Pats didn't draft him", which Cooley didn't understand... In fact, he has no idea why he sled all the way down to the 7th round.

Positives: great production from high school to college, great competitor, super smart player, solid hands, [U]incredibly smart route runner[/U], [B]can sell any route[/B].

Not your #1 scare the defense deep threat guy, but Cooley sees him earning his fair share of snaps and making plays.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1194506][URL="https://omny.fm/shows/cooley-and-kevin-with-chris-cooley-and-kevin-sheeh/05-11-18-cooley-film-breakdown-trey-quinn-1"]Cooley's Film Breakdown of "Mr Irrelevant" Trey Quinn WR[/URL]

This may be one of the best 7th round pick ever. Cooley said he wouldn't have considered it a reach had we picked him in the 4th.

Only negatives were "he's a little stiff as a runner" (but it doesn't really slow him down) and "the Pats didn't draft him", which Cooley didn't understand... In fact, he has no idea why he sled all the way down to the 7th round.

Positives: great production from high school to college, great competitor, super smart player, solid hands, [U]incredibly smart route runner[/U], [B]can sell any route[/B].

Not your #1 scare the defense deep threat guy, but Cooley sees him earning his fair share of snaps and making plays.[/quote]

Listening now...Cooley is going off about this guy saying he will play 40% of the offense this year. Cooley saying great route runner can play inside and out.

Looks like Gruden has found his new Ryan Grant.

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I think when you take into consideration the fact that our 3rd safety is Deshazor Everett, a guy who is limited athletically but knows the position well, it makes more sense to reach for the athleticism.

Apke looks like the boom or bust type of player, it's hard to envision an in-between. I don't mind taking the flyer when you've already got solid but limited. We don't need solid but limited.

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[quote=Chico23231;1194544]Listening now...Cooley is going off about this guy saying he will play 40% of the offense this year. Cooley saying great route runner can play inside and out.

[B]Looks like Gruden has found his new Ryan Grant[/B].[/quote]

Hopefully Quinn's a better competitor than Grant.

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Ryan Grant is good, I still don't see the doubt in the guy. He does the hard work that others don't like. He'll continue to do well in INDY if Luck is healthy

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1194563]Ryan Grant is good, I still don't see the doubt in the guy. He does the hard work that others don't like. He'll continue to do well in INDY if Luck is healthy[/quote]

I agree he's ok but I think we have a general bad feeling about him because he had some "I'm to scared to deliver" moments 2 seasons ago, I remember an onside kick where he had a clean opportunity to recover the ball and just F'd it up...
Agreed he does whatever you ask him to, which is valuable, but I'm not sure he's wowing anybody with any aspect of his game.