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I love having gibb's as coach, he's a great guy, with passion for the franchise, who doesn't listen to the media. He stays composed, and it's nice to not always be questoining our coach like I did with Spurrier.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;255569]I always thought the act itself served as a profound example of selflessness. He stood up in front of the whole world and showed that he was not infallible and was willing to step down as the primary playcaller for a guy who at the time had established himself as the absolute #1 offensive mastermind.

Calling Gibbs washed up because he brought in the NFL's #1 offensive coordinator to enhance the Redskins offense is at best irrational. Anyone can argue decision making based hindsight.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. I guess what I was trying to ask is what are people more upset about with Gibbs:

A. He's lost it, can't coach in today's NFL

B. He handed over the offense to Saunders, when he (Gibbs) should have just stayed in complete day-to-day control

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[quote=mason4415;255571]but Gibbs is the President of the organization (front office)! as president and head coach, i'm sorry, but i just cannot see where gibbs isn't to blame.[/quote]

Who decided to make Gibb's president and head of personnel decisions...........Danny Boy, Gibb's is not a proven talent evaluator, But Snyder doesn't know any better. Maybe Gibb's didn't want to come back, and DAn convinced him.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;255565]That's what I was trying to say. Maybe I wasn't clear[/QUOTE]
Oh dear, now I've gone cross eyed. Maybe I shouldn't have ben so rude as to answer your question with a question (I apologize).

I don't think I would go so far as to say that Gibbs has completely lost it because I really don't want to discount the playoff season last year. But our offense was obviously struggling at the end of the season. Maybe because our WRs were getting banged up and Brunell is older than the new mayor of DC. Either way Gibbs felt like he had to make a change. Bringing in Saunders, to me, is a sign that Gibbs thinks that he himself has lost it.

Maybe that was a bad move. Maybe we just needed to let Campbell do his thing, as well as bring in some new blood at WR and we would have been fine. Maybe if the D hadn't collapsed we'd be golden. I guess we'll never know.

I really don't know if Gibbs is the problem, but at the same time I don't know that he's really giving us the best chance to win. So basically, if Matty were to make his poll of should he stay or should he go (weird, that song was just on the radio) I doubt I would answer it.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;255574]Who decided to make Gibb's president and head of personnel decisions...........Danny Boy, Gibb's is not a proven talent evaluator, But Snyder doesn't know any better. Maybe Gibb's didn't want to come back, and DAn convinced him.[/quote]

The only reason Gibbs came back was his love for the franchise and the city. I strongly believe it had very little to do with Snyder as a person, although Gibbs more than likely has great regard for him. But I think it was all about the city and the team..and his desire to turn things around.

One thing's for sure, Joe Gibbs is a Redskin through and through. It's too bad he's having a tough time finding some to play for him.

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I think what a lot of people struggle with on this issue is separating Joe Gibbs the coach from Joe Gibbs the man.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;255580]I think what a lot of people struggle with on this issue is separating Joe Gibbs the coach from Joe Gibbs the man.[/QUOTE]
Even more people are having trouble separating Joe Gibbs the DC legend ('81-'92) from Joe Gibbs the current coach of the 4-8 Redskins ('04-).

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[quote=mason4415;255568]that's a pretty loose definition of balance... 4/5 key plays through the air over a course of the entire game![/quote]

4 to 5 additional plays from what we had. That would have helped extend a few drives and give us more scoring chances, and if we could have beat ATL's blitz they would have eventually backed off from bringing pressure.

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I know it's tough, but just pretend these are two different people:

[IMG]http://static.flickr.com/24/39409469_815a1524e6_m.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/28/281459.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;255581]Even more people are having trouble separating Joe Gibbs the DC legend ('81-'92) from Joe Gibbs the current coach of the 4-8 Redskins ('04-).[/quote]

Current coach & team prez, which he's never been before. As for coaching, I don't know if your statement's accurate, Gibbs II got us as far (2nd rnd playoffs) as we've been since Gibbs left in 93. He's still learning & has made some mistakes, but this is also on the job training for him as team president. I do believe strongly that he'll correct some of his mistakes, maintain the coaching staff & at least have a winning team next year.

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Personally I have no problem distinguishing Gibbs 1.0 and Gibbs 2.0.

Regardless of if his name was Joe Gibbs I wouldn't want him fired at the end of this season.

Year 1 was a mess but I can understand that, first time back in a long time, he needed to adjust, and he needed a chance to bring in his own players.

Year 2 playoffs: no complaints there.

Year 3 has been a mess but I'd prefer to see him attempt to get this turned around rather than starting over at square one with a new staff.

That's my take in a nutshell.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;255584]I know it's tough, but just pretend these are two different people:

[IMG]http://static.flickr.com/24/39409469_815a1524e6_m.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/28/281459.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Now pretend he's white...

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;255584]I know it's tough, but just pretend these are two different people:

[IMG]http://static.flickr.com/24/39409469_815a1524e6_m.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/28/281459.jpg[/IMG][/quote]


In all seriousness Drillz, at this stage, are you trying to make a point or just antagonize?

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;255588]Now pretend he's white...[/QUOTE]

I was totally not expecting that. Sir, you truly are a master. LMFAO.

AS for what you said Matty [QUOTE]Year 3 has been a mess but I'd prefer to see him attempt to get this turned around rather than starting over at square one with a new staff.[/QUOTE]
I agree, mainly because of Campbell's learning process. However, as I said before, I think we'd be okay if Gibbs left for the FO full time, Williams went away, and we brought in a new head coach who's defensive minded and let Saunders have control of the offense, I think we'd be okay.
I really do think we need someone a little tougher (like Gibbs 1.0) because this team lacks discipline. I'm not saying we need Tom Coughlin, who will probably be out of a job, but someone who won't to have a cupcake training camp or stand for a ton of bonehead penalties during every game.

If Gibbs can do those things then that's awesome and I'd love to have him back. But if he as even the slighest doubt about it I hope he goes.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;255594]I was totally not expecting that. Sir, you truly are a master. LMFAO.

AS for what you said Matty
I agree, mainly because of Campbell's learning process. However, as I said before, I think we'd be okay if Gibbs left for the FO full time, Williams went away, and we brought in a new head coach who's defensive minded and let Saunders have control of the offense, I think we'd be okay.
I really do think we need someone a little tougher (like Gibbs 1.0) because this team lacks discipline. I'm not saying we need Tom Coughlin, who will probably be out of a job, but someone who won't to have a cupcake training camp or stand for a ton of bonehead penalties during every game.

If Gibbs can do those things then that's awesome and I'd love to have him back. But if he as even the slighest doubt about it I hope he goes.[/quote]

A new coach = a new staff and that means if Gibbs goes everyone probably goes including Saunders.

You can't bring in a new coach and hand him a staff or coordinator, just doesn't work that way.

We either plow forward with what we've got or start over, there's no inbetween.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;255589]In all seriousness Drillz, at this stage, are you trying to make a point or just antagonize?[/QUOTE]
I'm 100% serious, which is why I've posted about 50 times today. I honestly think a lot of people have a really hard time seperating the two. Gibbs seems to get a free pass because people here see him as a saint. You've got to be relative about the job that he's doing here.
Maybe I went about showing it in an overly dramatic way, but that's besides the point.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;255587]Personally I have no problem distinguishing Gibbs 1.0 and Gibbs 2.0.

Regardless of if his name was Joe Gibbs I wouldn't want him fired at the end of this season.

Year 1 was a mess but I can understand that, first time back in a long time, he needed to adjust, and he needed a chance to bring in his own players.

Year 2 playoffs: no complaints there.

Year 3 has been a mess but I'd prefer to see him attempt to get this turned around rather than starting over at square one with a new staff.

That's my take in a nutshell.[/QUOTE]

Well put. I fully agree.

Im done...with this thread! ;)

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This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;255608]This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.[/quote]


Well said

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;255594]I was totally not expecting that. Sir, you truly are a master. LMFAO.

[/quote]

Just trying to keep it light. Mondays are such an emotional drain on me, especially after a loss.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;255608]This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.[/quote]

Inspirational! Nice work

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They were talking about firing Cohwer in the two seasons prior to the superbowl............imagine that

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Nobody voted "yes"? Where's paul and charlie?

Of course I voted no. As somebody once said before, "you don't get rid of your coach unless there is a better replacement." Who is better than Gibbs, and is available?

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;255608]This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.[/QUOTE]

That right there was awesome. Great post CC.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;255626]Nobody voted "yes"? Where's paul and charlie?

Of course I voted no. As somebody once said before, "you don't get rid of your coach unless there is a better replacement." Who is better than Gibbs, and is available?[/quote]


Im not gonna vote because the wording of the poll is biased. No point in voting in this, and I tried to post suggested polls but apparently no one listened.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;255644]Im not gonna vote because the wording of the poll is biased. No point in voting in this, and I tried to post suggested polls but apparently no one listened.[/quote]

How would you want it worded to get the results you want?

Seems to be simple and straight forward to me. You want Gibbs gone, right? So why not vote yes?

Let's not dance around the issue, do you want him here next year or not?

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;255608]This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.[/quote]


And look at what coaches in New Orleans and the NY Jets have done in 1 year. Look at what Nolan has done in SF in 2 years. All of them started with less talent than Gibbs. It would be one thing if we had young talent waiting in the wings, but we don't. The man has squandered 3 drafts and made lousy free agency moves to get us to this pathetic record. Its easy to keep riding the "I have faith in Gibbs train" but you would never ever cut any other coach this much slack. So if you have so much faith, prove to me that he has this franchise moving in the right direction after 3 years.

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[quote=Mattyk72;255647]How would you want it worded to get the results you want?

Seems to be simple and straight forward to me. You want Gibbs gone, right? So why not vote yes?

Let's not dance around the issue, do you want him here next year or not?[/quote]

Matt I did 2 posts on how this poll should be worded, you ignored them both and worded the way you wanted so that the majority would vote with you.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;255649]Matt I did 2 posts on how this poll should be worded, you ignored them both and worded the way you wanted so that the majority would vote with you.[/quote]

You started off this thread saying Gibbs should step down.

Seemed like a pretty simple take, now you're trying to dance around the issue.

Yes or No, very simple.

I don't need to word the poll a special way to get anyone to vote with me. Face it, the majority of fans don't want him gone. Simple as that.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;255608]This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.[/QUOTE]

so what you're saying is that we're content with being the Arizona Cardinals of the East. that's a shame!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;255651]You started off this thread saying Gibbs should step down.

Seemed like a pretty simple take, now you're trying to dance around the issue.

Yes or No, very simple.[/QUOTE]Well, for one thing, being fired and stepping down are vastly different.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;255654]Well, for one thing, being fired and stepping down are vastly different.[/quote]

Ok I'll change the poll if you want to nitpick

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People are never gonna vote Yes In a Should Gibbs be Fired Poll, they just wont based on how much he has meant to the organization, its like asking a Penn State if Joe Pa should be fired. The poll should ask:

Do you have faith that the current coaching staff can right the ship?

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;255608]This thread is garbage.

Criticizing Gibbs is fine, I do it too. But I can't fathom how a Redskins fan, especially one for 20 years, would ever want Gibbs to go.

I mean before Gibbs came back the big talk at the Warpath was whether we'd get Fassel or Dennis Green for chrst sake. Is your memory that short?

Look at last year's SB coaches. It took the great Bill Cowher 4 years to reach a Super Bowl and 14 years to finally win one. It took Holmgren 7 years to reach the SB with the Seahawks and he still hasn't won one. Even Norv Turner lasted 7 years here. And now some of you guys wanna throw Gibbs under the bus after 3 years?

Gibbs has tried to do everything to win now as well as set up the franchise for the future. He brought in top coaches who could take over the reigns down the road. He drafted a young QB for the future even though we already had 2 QBs on the roster. I mean what do you want from the guy? I find some of your attitudes towards Gibbs to be somewhere between disrespectful and blasphemous.

The day Gibbs came back was one of the happiest days of my life. And the day he decides to leave will be one of the saddest. I thank god and count my lucky stars every single day that he is at the helm, and so should you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here's mine:

To all the fickle, ungrateful fans who want Gibbs to go, I say this - be very careful what you wish for.[/QUOTE]

"Be careful what we wish for"???? Are you kidding me?

HOW COULD IT BE ANY WORSE?! WE ARE 4-8! And 20-28 over the last 3 years. And we have the most talent we have had since the early '90's!

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[quote=paulskinsfan;255656]People are never gonna vote Yes In a Should Gibbs be Fired Poll, they just wont based on how much he has meant to the organization, its like asking a Penn State if Joe Pa should be fired. The poll should ask:

Do you have faith that the current coaching staff can right the ship?[/quote]

And you don't think that poll would yield a similar result?

C'mon man, you're kidding me right?

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;255648]And look at what coaches in New Orleans and the NY Jets have done in 1 year. Look at what Nolan has done in SF in 2 years. All of them started with less talent than Gibbs. It would be one thing if we had young talent waiting in the wings, but we don't. The man has squandered 3 drafts and made lousy free agency moves to get us to this pathetic record. Its easy to keep riding the "I have faith in Gibbs train" but you would never ever cut any other coach this much slack. So if you have so much faith, prove to me that he has this franchise moving in the right direction after 3 years.[/QUOTE]

omg, i am so glad that there is at least one rational, non-biased opinion on this site!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;255655]Ok I'll change the poll if you want to nitpick[/QUOTE]
That's not being nitpicky because they're completely different. If he steps down he still has his dignity, and he can still feel free to run the FO if he so chooses. If he's fired he's a disgrace, he's gone, and he's a failure.
There's a huge difference.

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[quote=mason4415;255660]omg, i am so glad that there is at least one rational, non-biased opinion on this site![/quote]

LOL yeah there's only two, thank god you guys found each other.

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[quote=Mattyk72;255658]And you don't think that poll would yield a similar result?

C'mon man, you're kidding me right?[/quote]


No, I think fair minded people would vote No to the last question I posed, while the same people would not "fire" Joe Gibbs. You hear what you want to hear Matt.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;255661]That's not being nitpicky because they're completely different. If he steps down he still has his dignity, and he can still feel free to run the FO if he so chooses. If he's fired he's a disgrace, he's gone, and he's a failure.
There's a huge difference.[/quote]

The basic point here is, do we want him back next year?