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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;304004]After today I'd say that title belongs to Miami. Ginn at #9 was awful.[/QUOTE]


That was a completely dumb pick...especially cause he would not have gone for at least another 10 picks. But you never know. Everyone laughed at the Colts when they took Edgerrin James a while back, and look how he turned out. I personally don't think Ginn will be anything special at all, but you never know.

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[quote=jsarno;304007]That was a completely dumb pick...especially cause he would not have gone for at least another 10 picks. But you never know. Everyone laughed at the Colts when they took Edgerrin James a while back, and look how he turned out. I personally don't think Ginn will be anything special at all, but you never know.[/quote]
we will find out who the laughing stock is when landry taked ginns head off week 1

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[QUOTE=charlielyons;304008]we will find out who the laughing stock is when landry taked ginns head off week 1[/QUOTE]

But gibbs said there is no one in the draft that would be a starter right away. hahaha

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[quote=jsarno;304009]But gibbs said there is no one in the draft that would be a starter right away. hahaha[/quote]
kickoff return or punt return is possible if hes not starting yet

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I would make a good bet Landry starts come September as long as he has a high learning curve when it comes to picking up the game at the pro level. To throw away a #6 pick and automatically say he isn't starting is moronic on Gibbs part. What if we picked up Gaines, Branch, etc? Are you telling me Gibbs wouldn't even think of starting those guys over the sorry ass geezers we now have on the D line? Landry has all the potential to become another impact player for us the same way Champ, Fred, and now Sean were/are for us coming straight from the draft.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;304001]I don't think anyone is actually upset that Landry is going to be next to Taylor. I don't think anyone wants the guy to be a bust. I think everyone wants Landry to be a Pro Bowler and will root for him. BUT, I think there are a lot of people who question the emphasis on the secondary [I]at the expense of the D-line[/I]. I think that's a reasonable view.

Can I keep a plate of crow pie for those who think our D-line didn't need an upgrade via the 6th pick?[/QUOTE]

I think the d-line needs help but with none of the guys available really being top ten $ worthy in a lot of people's opinion, I'm glad the front office went with the more sure fire pick instead of running the risk of tieing a huge contract to a player whose position puts out some of the biggest 1st round busts. The team probably has their eye on a few potential cap cuts and their are a couple others already out on the market whose asking prices are dropping each day it gets closer to the start of the season.

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What I am saying is that there are multiple avenues to addressing the DLine. There was only one position that we could have drafted Landry, and that was with the sixth pick. I still do not agree at all with people who think that that pick could only have been used on DL to be effective. The proof is in the pudding that there were no viable trade partners for us. The FO made a wise decision selecting Landry. If someone wants to wager on the first two years of LL versus any one DL that we could have chosen at six, just name your price, and you're on. That's how much time JG has left to try and win this thing again. The only guy that I really would have thought about selecting over Landry is 19 years old. He's a long term asset and Joe doesn't have that kind of time. Your basic argument is that by not selecting a DL at six, the team made a mistake. My basic argument is that DL can and will be addressed in the future and using #6 on one of them while forgoing the chance to add Landry would have been a mistake. And once again, the real payoff is when Landry and Taylor are playing with an improved line in front of them. That will most likely not be next year, but I imagine the team can get it done within a couple years, right about when a seasoned JC is hitting his stride, and the cornerstones of our defense ST and LL, are hitting their primes. Time will obviously tell, and I will be the first one to take a bite of crow if LL is a colossal f--- up. In the end, and for the millionth time, Jason Campbell holds the keys to the franchise. If he does well, he's gonna have a lot of fun over the years watching LL and ST run to the sidelines after an interception or a fumble recovery to give him back the ball. If Jason Campbell flops, Laron Landry and Sean Taylor will just be handing that ball back to some other guy, while most of the "top" DL we passed on watch from home on their plasma screen TV's.

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All i asked for sunday is Antwan Barnes olb/de Florida International.

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i do not believe that any defensive player available yesterday was worthy of the 6th pick other than landry....safety was a need, is dline a need yes, but let make a couple things clear on that too. to be a good defensive tackle in the league you need size and strength. and by size i mean wide not really tall. there are a bunch of good defensive tackles in this league that were not number 6 picks and or first rounders. i strongly believe in building from the two lines then going else where except when you have a player who is unbelievable at making plays and more than likely the best football player available. i would have taken cj if we could have traded up to get him. there are just 1-5 players every year who are flat out studs and make plays all over the field for you and landry was one of two this year and we got him, great pick......in the later rounds we need to address the dline but situational. get a massive dt for 1st and second down or get a quick and stong tackle for passing downs.....or a edge rusher who can only speed rush, or a massive de to eat up blocks on a bltiz. thats how you address the dline need now, just quit complaining about whats going on, its very frustrating reading posts that come across so negative towards the skins.

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[QUOTE=redskin37;304021]All i asked for sunday is Antwan Barnes olb/de Florida International.[/QUOTE]

I liked the story the NFL Network did on him. He looks like a great athlete and could be a good LB, but he's probably too small to play DE professionally. Were you thinking to address our D-Line needs with him?

BTW anyone know what Carolina's asking for Kris Jenkins?

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I saw before the draft that carolina has realized his worth, and he won't be going anywhere

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i think we are in the market for a young qb to groom as a backup, do we take troy smith if hes there?

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I think so. Absolutely. I mean Campbell's not getting any younger

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[QUOTE=Jamaican'Skin;304086]I think so. Absolutely. I mean Campbell's not getting any younger[/QUOTE]

as a backup...next year we will have no backups at all. im pretty sure ive read that they want to draft a qb in the late rounds

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Since they couldn't trade down I guess Landry was the best player available at #6 and I'm sure he will be a solid pro. I was against the trade for Briggs but I woke up this morning feeling that maybe they would have been better off with Briggs and Alan Branch than Landry. I wonder what Carolina wants for Kris Jenkins?

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i hope the skins draft NATHAN CROSBY!! we need to improve our field position . . . do it!

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Anyone think we should draft Mason Crasby with our next pick. He is the top kicker available. I think it would be a smart pick.

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Draft tracker, day 2:
[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/team?team=was&draftyear=2007&action=login&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.espn.go.com%2Fnfldraft%2Fdraft%2Ftracker%2Fteam%3Fteam%3Dwas%26draftyear%3D2007]ESPN.com: NFL - NFLDraftTracker[/url]

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our pick is soon

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doh! yeah its mason crosby not nathan . . . the kid can boom the ball, would be nice to have a leg so when dont have to punt when were 35 plus yards out like we did alot last year . . and some touchbacks would be nice

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Yeah exactly, field goals have been a huge problem for us the last few years, and i dont have much faith in shaun suisham

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D line here....

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Hmm, Dallas Sartz, eh?

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/sartz_dallas]NFL.com - Prospect Profiles[/url]

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if its Dline i hope it is an end cuz we got 2 DTs last year about this time . . it looks like de got drafted harder than dt and og this year thoo . . .

i checked that profile for sartz, looks pretty good for a 5th . . . i laugh everytime they say "hes got a good bubble"

man mason crosby would have had a much bigger impact on this team than an olb . . . . kinda disappointed, another need not addressed when the best kicker is available in the 5th . . . but what do i know

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LB....Sartz? USC

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nfldraftcountdown.com dallas sartz

Strengths:
Has a good frame with long arms and could easily add some weight...Smart with great instincts...Reads and reacts quickly...Smooth and fluid in coverage...He has excellent range...A terrific motor...Still has upside...Great special teams potential.

Weaknesses:
Is undersized and needs to bulk up...He is not a great tackler...Must get stronger and be more physical...Speed is very average and he lacks a burst...Durability is a big concern...Struggles in space...He does not really like to engage with blockers.

Notes:
His father, Jeff, played safety at Oregon St...His grandfather, also named Dallas, was a Golden Gloves boxer at Washington State and a professional hydroplane racer...Could also project to safety in the pros...Missed the majority of the 2005 season with a dislocated shoulder...Nice player...A candidate for the strongside.



sounds like this is for special teams

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Dan Bazuin DE would be good value here!

other good values:
Samson Satele C
Brandon Slier ILB
Chansi Stuckey WR

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good grief...the draft might be the most frustrating time of the year for me...atleast we didn't draft a fullback......yet

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terrible pick...could have got this guy in the 6th or 7th if we really wanted him. How do we pass up a TE like Ben Patrick right here, could have been a great combo with cooley. Even the kicker from Colorado would have been a better pick here. We should just start trading all of our late round picks for 1 3rd.

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Sartz:
[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/sartz_dallas]NFL.com - Prospect Profiles[/url]

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[QUOTE=81forHOF;304132]Dan Bazuin DE would be good value here!

other good values:
Samson Satele C
Brandon Slier ILB
Chansi Stuckey WR[/QUOTE]

Satele and Bazuin are gone. Stuckey is always hurt

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/draft?round=5&dl=nfl]NFL - 2007 Draft - Round 5 - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

here is a video...not very impressive to me

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dang it...why no DL...WHY??

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Addressing DL right now would be pointless. We've already sentenced ourselves to 2 more years of sub par DL play.

Let's just hope we address it in the draft next year...with the picks we didn't trade away.

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First we draft a guy named Landry, and now a guy named Dallas.......wtf?

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Great, so our two picks so far are a guy named Landry and a guy named Dallas. Wonderful.

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[quote=Redskins_P;304148]First we draft a guy named Landry, and now a guy named Dallas.......wtf?[/quote]


That's pretty good...I didn't even pick up on that...anyone named Irvin left on the board?

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DL will obviously be addresed via FA this year or draft next year. Getting an undersized LB is worthless. I say do what I used to do when I played Madden '99 franchise mode, which is sign the 1-3 rounders(if that) and drop the rest. Anybody left on the board now would be virtually worthless to sign and no upgrade to what we have.

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There is still some good talent left.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;304153]DL will obviously be addresed via FA this year or draft next year. Getting an undersized LB is worthless. I say do what I used to do when I played Madden '99 franchise mode, which is sign the 1-3 rounders(if that) and drop the rest. Anybody left on the board now would be virtually worthless to sign and no upgrade to what we have.[/quote]

Yes, running an NFL Franchise as you would a video game team would be quite savvy.