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Stump Mitchell is someone I had brought up in the "Next OC" thread but mainly because I want a Stump and Rock here :)

I always enjoyed watching him play for the Cardinals

I don't get the whole deal with Byner. Either keep him or just fire him. Quit stringing him along

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As long as they let Zorn bring in his own guys our coaching staff should be fine.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;420260]As long as they let Zorn bring in his own guys our coaching staff should be fine.[/quote]

What do you mean his own guys?
His own coaching staff? Thats already in place, other than 3 or so coaching spots.

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Something else intriguing from JLC: "Zorn got a five-year deal, in essence, but league sources said it is actually three years guaranteed with two club options after that."

So it is a 3 year guaranteed deal with a TEAM option for 4 and 5. With the trend of HCs not going into the last year of a contract as a lame duck and instead hitting the road or getting an extension, this makes this effectively a 2 year deal. What kind of record does Zorn have to produce in years one and two to get an extension? I figure he gets a one year reprieve but he is looking at needing a playoff appearance by year two to get an extension. Of course, he may just go into the third year with no guarantee, but like I said, that would be going against the trend.
I am curious what people think he will need to produce in terms of a win-loss record and is this even fair for a guy who is installing a whole new offense?

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[QUOTE=Scubadive123;420255]This is really bad, Seems like everyone is happy about Jim Zorn and him bringing the pass happy WCO here here, Does anyone remamber Steve Sperrier, What a lousy time that was for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

You're comparing the two? Seriously?

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[QUOTE=Scubadive123;420255]This is really bad, Seems like everyone is happy about Jim Zorn and him bringing the pass happy WCO here here, Does anyone remamber Steve Sperrier, What a lousy time that was for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

A little bit unfair. The WCO actually has a good track record in the NFL. The Chuck-n-Duck, not so much.

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fun and gun < wco.

I am worried about being 20M over the cap while changing offensive philosophy. I really don't know why that move was made if we were happy with the direction we were heading. If we had not committed to a wco, I wonder if we'd be introducing someone like Grimm as HC right now.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;420263]You're comparing the two? Seriously?[/QUOTE]

Sure why not, Seems like everytime we go to the pass Happy , We get burned, Now don't get me wrong, I 'am soooo happy we didn't get Fassel, And I do hope we have a great year next year. But I do wonder if this is the right coach as with alot of people. I sure hope so.. I hope the players will to so he will be here for a long time I do miss the Gibbs Era we had before and have been waiting for it agian.

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[QUOTE=redwagonskins;420264]A little bit unfair. The WCO actually has a good track record in the NFL. The Chuck-n-Duck, not so much.[/QUOTE]

I maybe be unfair, maybe I 'am not as forgiving, I remember the past with a ding bat owner we have..lol And as I have said I Hope it works with Zorn he still young where he could be here for a long time, I just like knowing that we have a HC that will be here. Gibbs was great. Maybe my exspections are to high..

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[QUOTE=Scubadive123;420378]Sure why not, Seems like everytime we go to the pass Happy , We get burned, Now don't get me wrong, I 'am soooo happy we didn't get Fassel, And I do hope we have a great year next year. But I do wonder if this is the right coach as with alot of people. I sure hope so.. I hope the players will to so he will be here for a long time I do miss the Gibbs Era we had before and have been waiting for it agian.[/QUOTE]

Well the systems aren't the same, and neither is their experience coaching in the NFL.

Otherwise, I can see the comparison

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[QUOTE=Scubadive123;420379]I maybe be unfair, maybe I 'am not as forgiving, I remember the past with a ding bat owner we have..lol And as I have said I Hope it works with Zorn he still young where he could be here for a long time, I just like knowing that we have a HC that will be here. Gibbs was great. Maybe my exspections are to high..[/QUOTE]

You wouldn't be a Redskins fan if you didn't have high expectations for this team. But, consider this to ease your mind; Joe Gibbs has put his seal of approval on Jim Zorn. To me, Jim Zorn is just like Joe Gibbs. Zorn is the type of coach who pays close attention to detail, even tempered, and is a great teacher.

In regards to the comparison of the WCO and Spurrier's offense. There is no comparison. The only comparison you can make is that both passed to set up the run. And in Spurrier's offense, the running game was next to nothing. In the west coast offense, the running back plays an extremely important role, even though the offense is designed to pass first. The WCO is a very balanced attack, unlike SS's offense.

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As far as the poll goes, I wish there was an option for "mixed feelings" because that's exactly the way I would answer.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;420384]You wouldn't be a Redskins fan if you didn't have high expectations for this team. But, consider this to ease your mind; Joe Gibbs has put his seal of approval on Jim Zorn. To me, Jim Zorn is just like Joe Gibbs. Zorn is the type of coach who pays close attention to detail, even tempered, and is a great teacher.

In regards to the comparison of the WCO and Spurrier's offense. There is no comparison. The only comparison you can make is that both passed to set up the run. And in Spurrier's offense, the running game was next to nothing. In the west coast offense, the running back plays an extremely important role, even though the offense is designed to pass first. The WCO is a very balanced attack, unlike SS's offense.[/QUOTE]

That is why I'am not to upset, Becuase from what I hear Jim Zorn is alot like Gibbs. Thats why I hope this is the next Gibbs. But I will do the same jion the wait and see bandwagon, Mean while back at the batcave batman is not placing any bets on them..lol

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;420390]As far as the poll goes, I wish there was an option for "mixed feelings" because that's exactly the way I would answer.[/QUOTE]

It's how I feel too. I was very excited about bringing him on as our offensive coordinator. And I think he can be a strong head coach, but I believe he and the team could have benefitted from having someone else as the head coach (someone with experience) instead of being thrown into the fire. My fear is that he'll be a great coach...but for another team.

Anyhow, I decided that if in this past month so many people here were already able to definitively declare next season over because of coaches we were or were not considering that we could have a definitive poll like this

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[quote=JLC;1]He favors a balanced attack and, duh, the West Coast offense, "This whole game is about rhythm, not about hanging onto the ball until you see a guy open."[/quote]

Thats for everyone here in the "Pass happy Z-Man camp." Plus the favorite canidate for an OC post right now is a former RB. In my opinion that seems like a great balance right ther.

Plus on a side note I think that the reason so many QB coaches have gone on to be succesful HC's is because anyone working from the QB position has to understand multiple facets of the game from WR routes, timing on running plays, protection schemes, audibles, and most importatnly how defenses try to stop an offense. Being a former QB Jim Zorn understands these aspects, and personally I think it'll go a long ways towards making him a succesful HC.

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[quote=SmootSmack;420257]Stump Mitchell is someone I had brought up in the "Next OC" thread but mainly because I want a Stump and Rock here :)

I always enjoyed watching him play for the Cardinals

[b]I don't get the whole deal with Byner. Either keep him or just fire him. Quit stringing him along[/b][/quote]

Ah, found it. Yeah, well this leadership seems to enjoy stringing people along. I don't have a tremendous amount of respect for them at this point.

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[B]Jim Fassel isn't to happy:[/B]

"At the end of the day," said Fassel, "Dan wanted to make a big splash, and I think he was worried about the Baltimore thing. He worried about the public relations (fallout), and he didn't know which way to go.

"I heard someone say there are no more George Youngs or Jim Finks in this league, people who really know the game. And I think that happened here. I don't think Dan surrounded himself with enough football people."
And also:

"Someone said to me that Jim Zorn has three jobs he hasn't done now," Fassel said. "He's a head coach, and he's never done it. He's an offensive coordinator, and he's never done it. And he's calling the plays, and he's never done it."
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Wow, I mean I understand being pissed off at Synder but taking shots at Z-Man is cheap.

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a nice healthy serving of sour grapes anyone?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;420403][B]Jim Fassel isn't to happy:[/B]

"At the end of the day," said Fassel, "Dan wanted to make a big splash, and I think he was worried about the Baltimore thing. He worried about the public relations (fallout), and he didn't know which way to go.

"I heard someone say there are no more George Youngs or Jim Finks in this league, people who really know the game. And I think that happened here. I don't think Dan surrounded himself with enough football people."
And also:

"Someone said to me that Jim Zorn has three jobs he hasn't done now," Fassel said. "He's a head coach, and he's never done it. He's an offensive coordinator, and he's never done it. And he's calling the plays, and he's never done it."
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Wow, I mean I understand being pissed off at Synder but taking shots at Z-Man is cheap.[/quote]

Link?

I've got to agree with Fassel's sentiment there. Not saying Zorn won't work out, maybe he will, but seems like Snyder has managed to alienate a good number of people with the ways he's dealt with them. He's shown a whole lot of good football people the door and allowed Cerrato to steer the ship. I don't feel to good about how the thing played out. If they now kick EB to the curb it will just continue a disturbing trend. Until proven otherwise, I am really uncomfortable with the power Cerrato is wielding around here.

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]• On the circumstances that led to Zorn as the choice: "Vinny kept saying after every interview, 'Zorn.' And that's how we got there."[/FONT]

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;420261]What do you mean his own guys?
His own coaching staff? Thats already in place, other than 3 or so coaching spots.[/quote]

There's still room for an OC, QB coach, and possibly a RB coach depending on what goes down with Byner.

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[quote=Mattyk72;420407]There's still room for an OC, QB coach, and possibly a RB coach depending on what goes down with Byner.[/quote]

But thats the thing, considering Byners rapport with the RB's and his track record here there shouldn't be room for a new RB coach. It's times like this where I'm reminded of the Water Boy.

Bobby's Mother: Danny, you don't have what they call...the social skills.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;420407]There's still room for an OC, QB coach, and possibly a RB coach depending on what goes down with Byner.[/QUOTE]

I just heard on Doc Walker's show this evening that Byner has not been signed and I get the impression that some of that is due to how CP was seemingly allowed to do as he pleased during training camp. I wonder how much of that is to be placed on Coach Gibbs and how much on Byner?

I guess the RB in the WC offense plays a different role that will need a RB coach with WCO experience?

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[quote=ChillWill;420417]I just heard on Doc Walker's show this evening that Byner has not been signed and I get the impression that some of that is due to how CP was seemingly allowed to do as he pleased during training camp. [B]I wonder how much of that is to be placed on Coach Gibbs and how much on Byner?[/B]

I guess the RB in the WC offense plays a different role that will need a RB coach with WCO experience?[/quote]

Sounds like they don't care at this point who's fault it was, and if that's the reasoning behind it as you say, I really can't blame them.

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well we knew danny thought extremely high of him (why else would he have hired him before the head coach position was filled)...seems like a good guy- good luck to him

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[QUOTE=Scubadive123;420255]This is really bad, Seems like everyone is happy about Jim Zorn and him bringing the pass happy WCO here here, Does anyone remamber Steve Sperrier, What a lousy time that was for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]


Whoa dude. WCO.... lets see, Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren, Mooch, Shottenheimer. All winners and thats just a few.

Spurrier ran a retarded offense called the fun 'n' gun. Pass, pass, and pass, even when passing is not nessesary. I do not have proof other than the fact that i saw it, but Spurrier put poor Danny Wurfel in on a play with a Center, two Guards, a RB, and Trips Wide on both sides. The refs were so baffled that they couldnt even determine if it was leagal, but the other team's four D-linemen and two blitzing linebackers helped themselves to Mr. Wurfel in less than two seconds....

Spurrier could be considered a brilliant college HC where things are 1/2 speed compared to the NFL, but to comparing him to even someone who WANTS to be a coach in the NFL would be an insult.

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I don't know what to think yet cuz the guy is in a word...unproven. QB coaching requires overseeing of a very limited amount of players and I don't know what to think of Zorn's chances of handling an entire team. That's not to say that he won't get it and be an awesome HC for the skins. Also, I do like him as an agent of change (seems like everyone making a bid at Washington D.C. is trying to ride this wave:pffff:).


I'll formulate an official opinion after the first preseason game.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;420425]I don't know what to think yet cuz the guy is in a word...unproven. QB coaching requires overseeing of a very limited amount of players and I don't know what to think of Zorn's chances of handling an entire team. That's not to say that he won't get it and be an awesome HC for the skins. Also, I do like him as an agent of change (seems like everyone making a bid at Washington D.C. is trying to ride this wave:pffff:).


I'll formulate an official opinion after the first preseason game.[/quote]

But by the same token, no one knows the game like QB's do. I mean think about it for a person to play or coach QB's you have to understand the routes the WR's run, pass protection schemes, timing on running plays, and most importantly you have to understand opposing defenses and how to attack them with passes, play action, and the running game. I'm confident that Zorn understands many aspects of the game and thats why I'm riding the wave so to speak.

On top of that Zorn is probably going to bring in a quality guy from the Titans who used to play RB, which in my opinion will help balance the offense, though I doubt Zorn shares the same fondness for the passing game that Spurrier did. Then consider that he has guys like Don Breaux and Buges, who worked under Gibbs, to guide him through all the intricies of being a HC, not to mention that the guy has worked with Holmgram since around 2001. Then if that wasn't enough you have a quality defense led by a quality coordinator in Blache that has produced year in and year out regardless of the coordinator (save GW's off year and that guy that Spurrier hired to replace Marvin Lewis). Not to mention that hes also walking into a situation with a top notch special teams unit. Hail!!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;420418]Sounds like they don't care at this point who's fault it was, and if that's the reasoning behind it as you say, I really can't blame them.[/quote]

Does anyone really trust any info coming from Doc Walker? If that is the reason given that is just ridiculous. Just fire the guy if you want to bring in Zorn's guy, don't go and slander EB. Oh, and by the way, nothing was Joe Gibbs fault if you ask Snyder so if they did have a problem with the way Portis was handled (I didn't see a problem unless that is why Betts didn't get many carries) they would blame EB, never Gibbs.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;420440]Does anyone really trust any info coming from Doc Walker? If that is the reason given that is just ridiculous. Just fire the guy if you want to bring in Zorn's guy, don't go and slander EB. Oh, and by the way, nothing was Joe Gibbs fault if you ask Snyder so if they did have a problem with the way Portis was handled (I didn't see a problem unless that is why Betts didn't get many carries) they would blame EB, never Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

How can it be slander if the Redskins themselves haven't said anything?

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[quote=SmootSmack;420446]How can it be slander if the Redskins themselves haven't said anything?[/quote]

[b]Does anyone really trust any info coming from Doc Walker? [U][I]IF[/I][/U] that is the reason given that is just ridiculous.[/b] Just fire the guy if you want to bring in Zorn's guy, don't go and slander EB. Oh, and by the way, nothing was Joe Gibbs fault if you ask Snyder so if they did have a problem with the way Portis was handled (I didn't see a problem unless that is why Betts didn't get many carries) they would blame EB, never Gibbs.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;420450][b]Does anyone really trust any info coming from Doc Walker? [U][I]IF[/I][/U] that is the reason given that is just ridiculous.[/b] Just fire the guy if you want to bring in Zorn's guy, don't go and slander EB. Oh, and by the way, nothing was Joe Gibbs fault if you ask Snyder so if they did have a problem with the way Portis was handled (I didn't see a problem unless that is why Betts didn't get many carries) they would blame EB, never Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

Not sure why you repeated your entire post

But I guess you're saying Doc Walker is slandering him?

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[quote=SmootSmack;420455]Not sure why you repeated your entire post

But I guess you're saying Doc Walker is slandering him?[/quote]

I'm saying I don't trust any info coming from Doc Walker. If that turns into the official line that is ridiculous. However it goes down if they kick EB to the curb I don't like it.

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[QUOTE=Counter-Tre;419958]I haven't been this excited since I was a kid and got a nice pair of dress slacks for Christmas.[/QUOTE]:lol::silly::):silly::lol::laughing2Funny stuff!!!!!

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Zorn That came from right field for sure! So who is going to run the O now? Not sure what to think but it should be a new way of doing thing in 08!

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Whole bunch of Zorn stuff here (mostly old stuff)

[url=http://www.beckys-place.com/zorn.html]Seattle Seahawks Spirit of 1976 Page[/url]

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I'm so happy I've kept my Jim Zorn rookie card all these years

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LOL if Fossil really said all that stuff.

This move was totally unexpected and even though I still think Snyder botched this search in terms of the way he treated Ggggrilliammssssm, went running into the arms of Ol Fossil, and flip-flopped when the fans burned his ass for it, I have to give the dude some credit for taking a chance on a totally unproven commodity that is anything but a
"safe" move.

Zorn is described as having a similar demeanor and attitude towards profesionalism and leadership as Joe, which is probably no small part of his getting this job.

I'm guardedly optimistic. I just hope Snyder sticks with Zorn after he loses his first 8 games :)

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;420403][B]Jim Fassel isn't to happy:[/B]

"At the end of the day," said Fassel, "Dan wanted to make a big splash, and I think he was worried about the Baltimore thing. He worried about the public relations (fallout), and he didn't know which way to go.

"I heard someone say there are no more George Youngs or Jim Finks in this league, people who really know the game. And I think that happened here. I don't think Dan surrounded himself with enough football people."
And also:

"Someone said to me that Jim Zorn has three jobs he hasn't done now," Fassel said. "He's a head coach, and he's never done it. He's an offensive coordinator, and he's never done it. And he's calling the plays, and he's never done it."
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Worried about the Baltimore thing? That was more than just a thing Jim. Your best friend fired you for running the offense into the ground and being a poor play caller.

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The search was anything but smooth and straightforward. But in the end, I'm happy with the selection. If the past has taught me anything, maybe having the the favorites turn you down can turn out positively... Pete Carroll wasn't the first choice when SC was searching for a new head coach- and I'm happy to say we got lucky in the end.

I hope Snyder isn't quick to pull the rug out from under Zorn at the first sign of trouble. I'll take progress over a quick fix.

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[quote=jamf;420487]Worried about the Baltimore thing? That was more than just a thing Jim. Your best friend fired you for running the offense into the ground and being a poor play caller.[/quote]


No he was the scape goat,the O stunk becuase it was Billicks not Fassels.
Fassel is right,after the way all the coachs interviewed were treated Snyder is praying this works out becuase if it does'nt he's dead in the water.