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Drift Reality - Please tell me you are joking. Its apparent that everyone on the warpath knows about football, and I'm friends with a few NFL players and they workout all the time.

But to answer your questions (someone please turn this into a poll); I have no clue what Reggie White benched (God bless him) and I can only imagine that Lawrence Taylor benched about 100 kilos of crack rock and squatted about 100 prostitutes. Nate Newton even had a nice offseason workout.

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I think the bench press is one way of measuring how much upper body strength a prospect has. Moreover, upper body strength is of obvious importance to defensive linemen.

However, sometimes draft prospects underperform due to lingering injuries, or because they are just having a bad day. Moreover, some defensive ends who don't bench 225 pounds 35 times manage to do quite well against the run and the pass. Consider the below snippet about Terrell Suggs.

[I][B]SUGGS WORKOUT HURTS DRAFT STOCK[/B]

Suggs was a dominating defensive end in the college ranks, but at 6-foot-3 3/8 and 257 pounds, which he measured in at during his workout, he probably doesn't have the size to get it done week after week in the NFL.

Strength was also not on Suggs' side, as he managed just 19 reps during bench press drills. In the 40-yard dash, his times were a very pedestrian 4.84 and 4.88. He had a 33.5" vertical jump, 9-foot-0 broad jump, 32 7/8" arm length, 7.46 three-cone drill and 4.37 and 4.47 short shuttle. Whether he's just a poor workout player or what not, teams are definitely going to be forced to think twice come draft day and this workout probably pushed him out of the top five selections.[/I]

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[QUOTE=DIRTEE;458544]...I can only imagine that Lawrence Taylor benched about 100 kilos of crack rock and squatted about 100 prostitutes.[/QUOTE]

LOL. Great visual.

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality;458504]It could always be worse. But I don't think we should base our expectations on the least common denominator though.

Again, I just said I had mixed feelings. I think he will be a solid contributor if healthy this year and next year.

[b]I feel like they could have realized their lack of depth at this position earlier and tried to bolster this position. That's all I'm saying.[/b][/QUOTE]

well, I definitely hear ya on that one...a lot of us have been saying this for a long long long time.

On a side note, If both guys stay healthy, I can see Carter / Taylor combining for a good 25 sacks this year...maybe more. No longer will Carter see double teams, and if one doesn't make the QB, the other will. It's exciting to think we will create pressure.

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[quote=Drift Reality;458539]I'm guessing you don't know much about football. What did Reggie White bench? What did LT bench?

Ask anyone who knows football about the importance of bench. Players don't lay on a bench and lift weights in the NFL - they get on a field and knock heads.[/quote]
I won't bother to respond to your first statement. Your posts are speaking for themselves.

I don't have Reggie's bench numbers but I trust Mike Golic in that he played in the NFL for several seasons and on the same DL as RW for most. He has mentioned several times that RW was an "unbelievable combination of strength and speed". If I'm not mistaken he was consistently one of the strongest, if not the strongest, on the Eagles & Packers teams he played on. LT while not a strong as White, had ridiculous speed and well above average strength. He played LB not LDE. For LDE strength is extremely important.

No one is implying that you should just get the guys with the strongest bench numbers and plug them in. But if "anyone who knows football" thinks bench is unimportant, why is it done at the combine, with every NFL team in attendance. The NFL folks are pretty busy guys and wouldn't waste their time on a drill/test that is not important.

I've mentioned this before also, C. Campbell's D-Line coach in 2006 is on staff at Redskins Park. If he was available at a reasonable position in the draft (he was) and the Skins didn't take him, that tells me all I need to know.

Prior to the combine I was high on C. Campbell also, his size looks great, sack total looks good, but his combine performance and scouting report negatives sent up huge red flags.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;458545]I think the bench press is one way of measuring how much upper body strength a prospect has. Moreover, upper body strength is of obvious importance to defensive linemen.

However, sometimes draft prospects underperform due to lingering injuries, or because they are just having a bad day. Moreover, some defensive ends who don't bench 225 pounds 35 times manage to do quite well against the run and the pass. Consider the below snippet about Terrell Suggs.

[I][B]SUGGS WORKOUT HURTS DRAFT STOCK[/B][/I]

[I]Suggs was a dominating defensive end in the college ranks, but at 6-foot-3 3/8 and 257 pounds, which he measured in at during his workout, he probably doesn't have the size to get it done week after week in the NFL. [/I]

[I]Strength was also not on Suggs' side, as he managed just 19 reps during bench press drills. In the 40-yard dash, his times were a very pedestrian 4.84 and 4.88. He had a 33.5" vertical jump, 9-foot-0 broad jump, 32 7/8" arm length, 7.46 three-cone drill and 4.37 and 4.47 short shuttle. Whether he's just a poor workout player or what not, teams are definitely going to be forced to think twice come draft day and this workout probably pushed him out of the top five selections.[/I][/quote]
Agree with you on the premise. My points to Drift are specifically about Campbell, who at 280-290 lbs turned in the worst bench numbers at the combine for DL, looked soft, and there were also motiviation/motor questions on him.

Also, upper body strength is not as critical at RDE or OLB (Suggs positions) as it is for LDE.

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Gabe Watson also dropped to the fourth round because of poor/questionable workouts in 2006, and he's become the first round type of talent people thought he would be.

Of course, one year later, fellow Wolverine Alan Branch did the same thing, fell to the 2nd round, and his rookie year was less than promising.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

I found a video about Taylor talking about his new number. There's also a pretty entertaining one of the fans reacting to Taylor being a Redskin. Check them out on comcastsportsnet.com. Go skins!

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[QUOTE=DIRTEE;458544]Drift Reality - Please tell me you are joking. Its apparent that everyone on the warpath knows about football, and I'm friends with a few NFL players and they workout all the time.

But to answer your questions (someone please turn this into a poll); I have no clue what Reggie White benched (God bless him) and I can only imagine that Lawrence Taylor benched about 100 kilos of crack rock and squatted about 100 prostitutes. Nate Newton even had a nice offseason workout.[/QUOTE]

That's pretty funny stuff.

My main point is that people shouldn't get so caught up with metrics like bench reps. and clocked 40 times in my opinion.

I'm not saying that good players don't work out or are not strong. That would be a ridiculous statement.

Anyway, let's just drop it and we'll see what happens when they strap 'em on.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

Drift Reality - I was just joking with you. I totally understood where you were going with your statement.

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[quote=Paintrain;458387]That would make this trade a colossal bust if we improved by only 5 sacks.. You'd be [I]happy[/I] with that?[/quote]Bumping this thread.

Clayton said we could get 50 sacks. We got 25 sacks. Hey, he was [I]half[/I]-right!

We got 8 fewer sacks than last year. I believe a schematic change is primarily responsible.

But reading through this thread, it seems somewhat insincere that people would bitch about not having a 2nd rounder this year. We got a [I]pro-bowler [/I]didn't you hear?

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[url=http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/1/28/739396/could-jason-taylor-end-up]Could Jason Taylor end up back in Miami? - The Phinsider[/url]

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So long JT...

That 8.5 mil could be better spent in soooo many ways.

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[quote=The Goat;523778]So long JT...

That 8.5 mil could be better spent in soooo many ways.[/quote]

Goats right 8.5 does nice things. But so does a healthy JT

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[quote=GTripp0012;523771]Bumping this thread.

Clayton said we could get 50 sacks. We got 25 sacks. Hey, he was [I]half[/I]-right!

We got 8 fewer sacks than last year. I believe a schematic change is primarily responsible.

But reading through this thread, it seems somewhat insincere that people would bitch about not having a 2nd rounder this year. We got a [I]pro-bowler [/I]didn't you hear?[/quote]

mmmmm hindsight

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[quote=SkinzzFan;457901]I hate to say this, because I really like him, but Philip Daniels could be the Skins MVP this year. I already liked our D-line, but with the addition of J. Taylor the pass rush could be downright scary! I think a 2nd rounder is a bit high, but let's face it the Dolphins had all the leverage here. Carter and Taylor coming off the ends just made the back 7 that much tougher!!

HAIL!![/quote]

Boy was I wrong! I do believe a healthy Jason Taylor would have had a bigger impact. I hope he returns next season. I hate to give up those two picks and only get the half season he played in return!

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[quote=GTripp0012;523771]Bumping this thread.

Clayton said we could get 50 sacks. We got 25 sacks. Hey, he was [I]half[/I]-right!

We got 8 fewer sacks than last year. I believe a schematic change is primarily responsible.

But reading through this thread, it seems somewhat insincere that people would bitch about not having a 2nd rounder this year. We got a [I]pro-bowler [/I]didn't you hear?[/quote]

Sweet vindication for you.

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[quote=SkinzzFan;523859]Boy was I wrong! I do believe a healthy Jason Taylor would have had a bigger impact. I hope he returns next season. I hate to give up those two picks and only get the half season he played in return![/quote]

Yeah i have to own up too... i had visions of sugar plums dancing in my head and Jason "Xerxes" Taylor dominating QBs while he wore the B & G.

Going forward I just don't see him fitting well now that we aren't facing a last minute decision. Taylor isn't real effective @ left end but probably not a huge upgrade over AC on the other side (in our 4-3 system). Like i said elsewhere as much as i respect Daniels i mean c'mon, 36 yrs of age and it's not like he was always healthy prior to '08. If cutting JT clean allows us to grab a value left end, someone who can stop the run and get a little more pressure than Evans, i'm ok w/ that.

... heard it suggested Taylor would play OLB (replacing Marcus btw things sound). F'ing no ok. Just f'ing no. Tackling, run-stopping is not his strong suit.

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[quote=Defensewins;458028]I would have preferred to draft a young DE but there were none worthy when it was our turn to pick. I have two concerns with this pick up:
1) While this move greatly improves our pass rush, we now do not have a stout run stopping DE. Carter and Taylor are not very strong against power running teams, they are barely over 250 and will get pushed around from time to time. We have basically two very similar DE's and the other teams will run right at them.
2) [B]Another old guy. Taylor has been dancing on TV for the last several months and might not be in the best shape of his life. Injury is a concern. [/B]

While I share in the excitement of a potentially strong pass rush. But if you can not stop the run you are in for a long season. You have to be able to run the ball and stop the run, if you can not do that you are playing for next year.[/quote]

I was actually not that far off.

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What's even more sickening is that on top of giving away a 2nd round draft pick, Vinny only signs him to a 1 year contract. Vinny does this with every big name FA. He pays them big bucks, gives away future draft picks and only signs them to 1 year contracts.
In the case of Taylor, he gets a freak injury and we don't get the expected production out of him. At the end of the season Blache lets him play his natural position, he starts to make an impact and the season's over.
Now that his contract is null and void, if we want to keep him it'll cost another 8.5 million. Shouldn't this have been negotiated in the first place? Maybe sign him to a 2 year contract where he could make his 8.5 million in incentives in the second year of his contract? At least we would have had the opportunity to see if he could add any value to our defense in, at the least, a limited role as an outside linebacker in passing situations. At least get some kind of value from giving away our 2nd round pick.

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;523885]What's even more sickening is that on top of giving away a 2nd round draft pick, Vinny only signs him to a 1 year contract. Vinny does this with every big name FA. He pays them big bucks, gives away future draft picks and only signs them to 1 year contracts.
In the case of Taylor, he gets a freak injury and we don't get the expected production out of him. At the end of the season Blache lets him play his natural position, he starts to make an impact and the season's over.
Now that his contract is null and void, if we want to keep him it'll cost another 8.5 million. Shouldn't this have been negotiated in the first place? Maybe sign him to a 2 year contract where he could make his 8.5 million in incentives in the second year of his contract? At least we would have had the opportunity to see if he could add any value to our defense in, at the least, a limited role as an outside linebacker in passing situations. At least get some kind of value from giving away our 2nd round pick.[/quote]

He signed him to a 1 year contract?

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;523885]What's even more sickening is that on top of giving away a 2nd round draft pick, Vinny only signs him to a 1 year contract. Vinny does this with every big name FA. He pays them big bucks, gives away future draft picks and only signs them to 1 year contracts.
In the case of Taylor, he gets a freak injury and we don't get the expected production out of him. At the end of the season Blache lets him play his natural position, he starts to make an impact and the season's over.
Now that his contract is null and void, if we want to keep him it'll cost another 8.5 million. Shouldn't this have been negotiated in the first place? Maybe sign him to a 2 year contract where he could make his 8.5 million in incentives in the second year of his contract? At least we would have had the opportunity to see if he could add any value to our defense in, at the least, a limited role as an outside linebacker in passing situations. At least get some kind of value from giving away our 2nd round pick.[/quote]

Wrong, he came over on his contract from the Dolphins. Vinny didn't sign him to anything.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

Hindsight sure is a bitch, funny that 92% of people approved of the trade when it happened.

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I was WAY wrong on this one. I thought that JT was going to be a stud coming off the end against right tackles. He was slow, got stood up way too much and wasn't a factor at all. He didn't seem like he enjoyed one minute of being a Redskin. I'm sure this will go down in the blunderous lore of the Deion Sanders era.

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[quote=Mattyk72;523922]Hindsight sure is a bitch, funny that 92% of people approved of the trade when it happened.[/quote]

Thanks for pointing this out Matty. People just love to complain. I swear this sounds like a Lions board rather than a team that went 8-8 with a rookie HC. I'm sick of all this negativity, it's like people that thought signing JT was a bad idea are getting high of the fact that they were right.

I was ok with this signing, and unfortunately for the team it didn't work out due to JT's injury. It's a shame that he didn't produce as he did for Miami last season.

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[quote=GMScud;457981]While I'd agree that one of our first three picks would have been well spent on a DT or DE, we did address needs in the draft. I think given today's situation (independent of draft day), we made a good move. A 2nd and 6th for a top 5 defensive player in the league is well worth it, and Vinny said he's "100% certain Taylor will play more than one year." Taylor has repeatedly said he wants to win more than anything, and now he has a chance to play for a playoff-caliber team in the league's best division. I'd want to retire ASAP too if I had just suffered through that 1-15 debacle. The stage here is different. He's playing closer to his home (Pitt) for a team with a great locker room, an owner with Hollywood pull, and an on the field product capable of a playoff run. I think he'll be happy to play out the last two years of his contract here.

I also think it's very important to point out (while knocking on wood) that Jason Taylor hasn't missed a game since 1999 (he missed 1 that year), and has only missed 4 his entire career. Not to mention he said Dancing With Stars has his flexibility better than it's ever been. Some nice positives there.[/quote]

Sheesh. It sounded good at the time. Boy do I feel dumb.

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[quote=Mattyk72;523914]Wrong, he came over on his contract from the Dolphins. Vinny didn't sign him to anything.[/quote]

Now you're talking semantics. It's still for 1 year and it cost us a 2nd round draft pick. All I'm saying is why not sign the guy to a 2 year contract and at least get some kind of value for giving away your future draft pick. If Taylor or any other FA that Vinny signed didn't like the terms of the contract, then let them go else where and we keep our draft picks.
Vinny has done this multiple times with FA acquisitions. We give up future draft picks, pay the aging star a ton of money and sign him up for ...1 year.
I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense to me. We get nothing in return for giving away our future Draft picks and then usually end up losing that player after his 1 year is up. All that does is show desperation on the part of the Redskins and gives the upper hand to the "1 year Wonder".

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What is this one year you're talking about? Taylor came to the Redskins with a 2 year deal carried over from the Dolphins

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[quote=SmootSmack;523970]What is this one year you're talking about? Taylor came to the Redskins with a 2 year deal carried over from the Dolphins[/quote]

Maybe he means that when all is said and done we're likely to have just gotten one year out of Taylor... and a very lousy year at that (?)

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[quote=The Goat;523973]Maybe he means that when all is said and done we're likely to have just gotten one year out of Taylor... and a very lousy year at that (?)[/quote]

Yeah I know, but I don't know if he knows. Or if he really believes that we signed him for a one-year deal.

I hope Taylor comes back. He has a very limited injury history, and he showed his talent last year when healthy. I think we can get a good year out of him. We still need a run-stopper. Really liking Tyson Jackson these days, but not at #13

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[quote=Mattyk72;523922]Hindsight sure is a bitch, funny that 92% of people approved of the trade when it happened.[/quote]

Well I was not one of them. This was an awful trade and IMO it should've costed Vinny his job. Parcells is no idiot and when he saw that Taylor wasn't training for the upcoming season, and was off in Hollywood on Dancing w/ The Stars he knew Taylor wasn't putting football first....so he got rid of him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;523974]Yeah I know, but I don't know if he knows. Or if he really believes that we signed him for a one-year deal.

I hope Taylor comes back. He has a very limited injury history, and he showed his talent last year when healthy. I think we can get a good year out of him. We still need a run-stopper. Really liking Tyson Jackson these days, but not at #13[/quote]

I agree. I mean I was all for the trade when it happened, at the time I thought we could be good enough and with a legit pass rusher we could go over the edge. I still think Taylor can play, and would like to see him here for a healthy season (cap willing)...

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[quote=Mattyk72;458076]Not sure why you are so hung up on what he did during his offseason but let's look at what he's done on the field. I think that speaks for itself.

[B]The dancing thing is long over, he's going to show up ready to roll[/B]. He's always kept himself in great shape, there's a good reason why he's still such a high performer at his age.[/quote]

As it turns out he wasn't ready to roll and had a bad pre season...even before he got hurt.

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[quote=Ruhskins;523932]Thanks for pointing this out Matty. People just love to complain. I swear this sounds like a Lions board rather than a team that went 8-8 with a rookie HC. [B]I'm sick of all this negativity, it's like people that thought signing JT was a bad idea are getting high of the fact that they were right. [/B]

I was ok with this signing, and unfortunately for the team it didn't work out due to JT's injury. It's a shame that he didn't produce as he did for Miami last season.[/quote]Well, looking at the tone of this whole thread, I would say it's was overwhelmingly positive on the move at the time.

People here know that I don't bring up every thread I'm right on. What's the point? I could dig up 2007 draft threads where people say JaMarcus Russell is unquestionably the next great NFL QB, or 2008 draft threads where people argued in favor of insanity that Mel Kiper could have possibly been wrong on the quality of our second round. But I'd also have to bring up threads like the one where I tried to argue that Matt Ryan wouldn't be a franchise QB and such.

I only brought this thread up because people are bitching constantly about the fact that we traded away picks, but when we are actually trading away the picks, people think it's crazy to question the front office for doing so. Then they themselves will spend all of draft season bitching about it.

Plus, it's fun to look back at what people, especially the confident ones, had to say before the season.

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[quote=GTripp0012;523996]Well, looking at the tone of this whole thread, I would say it's was overwhelmingly positive on the move at the time.

People here know that I don't bring up every thread I'm right on. What's the point? I could dig up 2007 draft threads where people say JaMarcus Russell is unquestionably the next great NFL QB, or 2008 draft threads where people argued in favor of insanity that Mel Kiper could have possibly been wrong on the quality of our second round. But I'd also have to bring up threads like the one where I tried to argue that Matt Ryan wouldn't be a franchise QB and such.

I only brought this thread up because people are bitching constantly about the fact that we traded away picks, but when we are actually trading away the picks, people think it's crazy to question the front office for doing so. Then they themselves will spend all of draft season bitching about it.

Plus, it's fun to look back at what people, especially the confident ones, had to say before the season.[/quote]

Gtripp, I was referring to the people that posted after your recent post and were like: see signing JT was a mistake....we knew this would happen...the FO sucks for doing this....etc., etc. And you're right, there are prob ppl that complain about trading picks away who were in favor of the JT trade. Like I said, to me the naysayers of this trade (then) seem to be glad they were right and this trade failed.

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[quote=Ruhskins;523997]Gtripp, I was referring to the people that posted after your recent post and were like: see signing JT was a mistake....we knew this would happen...the FO sucks for doing this....etc., etc. And you're right, there are prob ppl that complain about trading picks away who were in favor of the JT trade. Like I said, to me the naysayers of this trade (then) seem to be glad they were right and this trade failed.[/quote]Well, re-reading my post, it perhaps looks like I was criticizing you, but I was actually trying to re-inforce your point about the negativity. It's insane.

It's insane (I believe) because people got really, really happy about the Taylor trade, which as fans, they really should be happy. But they were only that happy because they didn't understand the value of a 2nd round pick in 2009. The thread was in July, the economy was growing, and the 2009 NFL Draft was on no ones mind. Now people WANT to release Jason Taylor because of his high cap number, and bitch that we shouldn't have done the trade.

I think you have the right attitude here. You supported the deal at the time, it didn't work out, why dwell on it? I wish more people would take your approach to it.

I disagree though that others who expressed concern shouldn't be able to point out that they knew what they were talking about. It was 92-8 in favor of the deal...so tempered optimism appears to have been the right approach.

In hindsight. If Jason Taylor had gone off for 13 sacks and the Redskins had won 10 games, we wouldn't have cared about that second rounder.

I don't hold Taylor responsible for any of this. He did everything Blache asked him to do while he was here to the best of his 34 year old ability. His sack total was the product of his injury plauged body combined with a (IMO) oftentimes moronic defensive gameplan. It was also second highest on the team.

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;523969]Now you're talking semantics. It's still for 1 year and it cost us a 2nd round draft pick. All I'm saying is why not sign the guy to a 2 year contract and at least get some kind of value for giving away your future draft pick. If Taylor or any other FA that Vinny signed didn't like the terms of the contract, then let them go else where and we keep our draft picks.
Vinny has done this multiple times with FA acquisitions. We give up future draft picks, pay the aging star a ton of money and sign him up for ...1 year.
I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense to me. We get nothing in return for giving away our future Draft picks and then usually end up losing that player after his 1 year is up. All that does is show desperation on the part of the Redskins and gives the upper hand to the "1 year Wonder".[/quote]

Semantics? You said they signed him to a 1 year deal which simply isn't true. Say what you mean and mean what you say in the future so we don't have to argue about "semantics".

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Amazingly I didn't post. LOL. I went to see what I said so I could wipe the egg off my face considering I was for the trade and felt having Carter, Taylor, and James would make us 110 % better. As people have said "Hind sight is 20/20."

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[quote=skinsfan69;523984]As it turns out he wasn't ready to roll and had a bad pre season...even before he got hurt.[/quote]

I'm not sure what conditioning could have done in regard to his injuries. He got rolled up on in the preseason Panthers game, and he got kicked in the calf which caused the compartment syndrome that needed surgery. Those definitely were not injuries due to lack of conditioning, it was shit luck. A healthy JT is still capable of being a productive player in this league, but it probably won't be here.

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[quote=Mattyk72;524030]Semantics? You said they signed him to a 1 year deal which simply isn't true. Say what you mean and mean what you say in the future so we don't have to argue about "semantics".[/quote]

He was signed for 1 year. He had a 1 year deal here. He was obligated to play for 1 year in Washington.
Like it or not, I call it semantics as he was signed to a 1 (one) year deal to play for the Redskins. Arguing about whether or not he was actually signed to a "contract" is irrelevant. My point was why only 1 year? Why not try and get at least 2 years out of a player that you gave away future draft picks for?
I'll cede the contract argument to you, just answer my question. Is it worth signing FA players to 1 year contracts (or whatever) when giving away future draft picks then in order to keep that same player, you have to re negotiate his contract for millions of dollars more? Do you see any logic in the way Vinny goes after these FA's?