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Jason grew, so did zorn and the team. Lets leave it at that.

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If JC cant be buried after 1 bad game then he cant be the man after 1 good game either. We'll know by the end of the season whether he is for real or not.

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I don't see anyone crowning him the next Joe Montana.

The reaction this week is certainly nothing like some of the ridiculous negativity we've seen over the past few weeks. So I think it's perfectly appropriate to celebrate this performance and be happy for him.

I think JC and Zorn are both feeling their way through this, it was good to see their hard work finally pay off. I would think nobody is happier for JC than Zorn today.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;476770]I agree but the overreaction that happened last week was a lot worse that this week. The bring Colt in chants, JC could never be a solid NFL QB, JC is a sorry bitch. All types of things were thrown out last week I haven't heard too much outrageous talk so far.[/quote]

Well said. Also, Redskins fans that boo their own team (see first quarter Sunday) should be permanently banished to Philadelphia. I was very upset last week, but with the FO for changing the offense yet again. WCO looked good this week, with Jason hitting some short throws and receivers getting the YAC. Glad the intermediate and deep stuff was in there as well. New Orleans' defense was pretty banged up so let's hope things will continue to look good moving forward. Arizona has a sneaky tough defense and the Skins will probably have to put up some points to beat them.

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I have to say that I have never seen JC play the way he played on Sunday. It was a tremendous improvement. What I find the MOST impressive is that JC took the criticism and turned it into motivation to play better and do his job. I think that says a tremendous amount about his character and his ability to make it in the NFL. It gave me new hope for him. To see him move the way he did and dodge defenders was so exciting! I'm sure that built trust between Zorn and JC, which is exactly what this team needed. I could watch deep balls to Moss every minute of the day. I LOVE IT!! JC keep it up, PLEASE!

As for the negative, it still concerns me that we are not completing drives and settling for field goals. I can only hope that will soon be a thing of the past.

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Just like last week, I don't think you can tell much about how JC will turn out until he can do this consistently. NO defense is average at best and were definitely getting worn out come the fourth quarter. The running game was great and helped JC alot. JC looked alot more comfortable but the reality is we settled for way too many FG attempts inside the 20 and that needs to change. He also got lucky on the bomb to Moss in the 4th. The ball was underthrown and against a good corner/safety would have probably been picked off and we would be having a different conversation now. I did like that he made the throw thou, even thou Moss was so wide open that it was a no brainer to throw it. It was good to see Moss having a great game.

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Too much credit at one time. I want to see him perform well week in and week out. Even Vick had a 300 yard game (or pretty close to it) once. He tore apart a decimated secondary and defense. The true test is consistently playing well against solid defenses.

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[quote=Angry;476961]Too much credit at one time. I want to see him perform well week in and week out. Even Vick had a 300 yard game (or pretty close to it) once. He tore apart a decimated secondary and defense. The true test is consistently playing well against solid defenses.[/quote]

Just as a point of information, it is Campbell's third 300 yard game in 22 starts. Don't get the Vick comparison, I can think of only one thing the two players have in common and it doesn't pertain to football. If you want to go negative, you should say "Patrick Ramsey had three 300 yard games as a Redskin too."

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[quote=Jake2008;476955]Just like last week, I don't think you can tell much about how JC will turn out until he can do this consistently. NO defense is average at best and were definitely getting worn out come the fourth quarter. The running game was great and helped JC alot. JC looked alot more comfortable but the reality is we settled for way too many FG attempts inside the 20 and that needs to change. He also got lucky on the bomb to Moss in the 4th. [B]The ball was underthrown and against a good corner/safety would have probably been picked off and we would be having a different conversation now.[/B] I did like that he made the throw thou, even thou Moss was so wide open that it was a no brainer to throw it. It was good to see Moss having a great game.[/quote]

Not sure what game you were watching but I saw a well thrown ball that hit Moss in stride. Underthrown?? Really?

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Seriously. That was a PERFECT pass that couldn't have been placed better.

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[quote=Mattyk72;476970]Not sure what game you were watching but I saw a well thrown ball that hit Moss in stride. Underthrown?? Really?[/quote]

Go back and look, Moss has to slow down to catch it. If the back wasn't burned so badly by Moss he could have knocked it down and came close to doing that anyway.

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[quote=Mattyk72;476970]Not sure what game you were watching but I saw a well thrown ball that hit Moss in stride. Underthrown?? Really?[/quote]

I thought the same thing when I read that. I even went back and watched the throw again. If it was a bit short you might have excused it since he got instant pressure right up the middle (luckily Sellers got a piece of the guy) but the ball was not short at all. I too don't know what game he was watching. Maybe he was checking out the New England game where Matt Cassel underthrew Randy Moss even though he was 15 yards behind Revis, holding Randy Moss to only two fantasy points :madani:

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[quote=Mattyk72;476970]Not sure what game you were watching but I saw a well thrown ball that hit Moss in stride. Underthrown?? Really?[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I'm agreeing with Matty on this one. That ball was perfect. There was one to Randel El earlier in the game that JC messed up on, but not the one to Moss, nor the ones to Cooley. He was doing very well and was the most accurate I've ever seen him. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=Angry;476961]Too much credit at one time. I want to see him perform well week in and week out. [/quote]
I kind of agree with you here. But considering he took too much heat last week, why don't we go ahead and give him too much credit to even things out. Fact is people were questioning if he had what it takes, well yesterday he showed that he has what it takes.

[quote=Angry;476961]Even Vick had a 300 yard game (or pretty close to it) once. He tore apart a decimated secondary and defense. The true test is consistently playing well against solid defenses.[/quote]

And you finish with a classic glass is half empty post. Well, in Campbell's last 6 starts he's hit the 300 yd mark 3 times. In addition to NO, who spent a lot of money to upgrade what you call an "average" defense, Campbell also hit Dallas and Tampa for three bills. Not sure you can say either of those two are average, considering both were playoff teams last year.

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I think you can tell more about JC from the NO game, than from the NYG game.

The Haters were saying JC doesn't have the skills to play, because he didn't show any skills in the NYG game (among others).

The Kool-aiders are saying he does have the skills, and he showed them in the NO game (among others).

Bottom line: great QBs have poor games more often than terrible QBs have good ones. Anybody seen Peyton Manning this year?

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;476967]Just as a point of information, it is Campbell's third 300 yard game in 22 starts. Don't get the Vick comparison, I can think of only one thing the two players have in common and it doesn't pertain to football. If you want to go negative, you should say "Patrick Ramsey had three 300 yard games as a Redskin too."[/quote]

All I was saying is that he has, all of a sudden, went from zero to hero in less than 3 hours based on one performance. Campbell is flashy, but he has not done it week in and week out yet. Believe me I want to see him do it.

I was not trying to get technical with the stats. The Vick reference was in regard to his one great passing game that came in his last season of play. Whoop de do, Campbell has had three.

Now do it again, and again, and again. I want to see consistency is my point, not the idea that I was trying to be negative towards JC.

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[QUOTE]The Kool-aiders are saying he does have the skills, and he showed them in the NO game[/QUOTE]

I dont drink koolaid and i say he has the skills. I think he showed them the best he could in both games. He is on the cusp the place where most qbs cant take that leap. We just have to give him our support and believe in him. That will go a long way

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[quote=Angry;477000]All I was saying is that he has, all of a sudden, went from zero to hero in less than 3 hours based on one performance. Campbell is flashy, but he has not done it week in and week out yet. Believe me I want to see him do it.

I was not trying to get technical with the stats. The Vick reference was in regard to his one great passing game that came in his last season of play. Whoop de do, Campbell has had three.

Now do it again, and again, and again. I want to see consistency is my point, not the idea that I was trying to be negative towards JC.[/quote]

Campbell is not Vick. He showed that when he tried to scramble and got tripped up by the blade of grass that grew during his rollout. I agree with the poster who said a better negative reference for the 300 yd game is Ramsey.

And I think the reason for all the celebration is because in week 1 our offense looked like it should be playing lower division flag football and now they actually look professional grade. No one is calling for Campbell to be a Pro Bowler, but he did look like a professional qb, even outplayed Brees. So that is to be applauded, don't ya think?

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[QUOTE]Campbell is not Vick. He showed that when he tried to scramble and got tripped up by the blade of grass that grew during his rollout. I agree with the poster who said a better negative reference for the 300 yd game is Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

Dude be happy he is not vick. Still he is a great athelete and proved that by all the work he did in the pocket to make certain plays happen. The ability to move and not be a rock in the pocket is invaluable in todays nfl. Saying he tripped up on blades of grass? Cmon man. Support your qb. Lets cheer him on as he gets better and better.

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[quote=memphisskin;477006]Campbell is not Vick. He showed that when he tried to scramble and got tripped up by the blade of grass that grew during his rollout. I agree with the poster who said a better negative reference for the 300 yd game is Ramsey.

And I think the reason for all the celebration is because in week 1 our offense looked like it should be playing lower division flag football and now they actually look professional grade. No one is calling for Campbell to be a Pro Bowler, but he did look like a professional qb, even outplayed Brees. So that is to be applauded, don't ya think?[/quote]

For fuck sake I never said he was Vick. I was making a reference to his passing woes. Thats all.

GOOD JOB CAMPBELL

NOW DO IT NEXT WEEK!

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[quote=Jake2008;476975]Go back and look, Moss has to slow down to catch it. If the back wasn't burned so badly by Moss he could have knocked it down and came close to doing that anyway.[/quote]

It was still a great throw and a great play all around.

I think you're really nitpicking this.

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[quote=Mattyk72;477018]It was still a great throw and a great play all around.

I think you're really nitpicking this.[/quote]


Agree, again. Moss is like lightening out there.. he often has to slow down to catch balls. I don't think that means JC didn't throw it perfectly.

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Campbell is still catching heat? Unbelievable. I saw a lot of progress. Not bad for the 2nd game. I fully expect him to continue. Does'nt mean every game will be great but he is improving in this offense. Is'nt that what good quarterbacks do? Is'nt that what we were looking for? Underthrown to Moss? Get real dude. That was a great play all around.

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I am glad that Jason got a win yesterday and he was the one that got it done because I feel that people in this town are too tempermental and they want things done right away and want him to be great right off the bat. I am glad that he got the win and he delivered in great fashion. I do agree with Riggins that he can't let this get to his head because we don't want a let down at home against the Cardinals. We need to protect homefield advantage on this one.

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In addition, some fans need to back off and stop with this we need Colt Brennan now. It ain't going to happen unless Campbell and Collins go down and I don't see that happening. I am pleased for Jason Campbell and I think that he is going to be good and people need to show some patients because all the games won't be like yesterday. There are going to be some growing pains, but I think that this is going in the right direction.

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[quote=hesscl34;477019]Agree, again. Moss is like lightening out there.. he often has to slow down to catch balls. I don't think that means JC didn't throw it perfectly.[/quote]

Yeah, there is nothing wrong with JC's arm.

Did you see how far he threw it on the last TD? It was right on the money too.

A Collins throw would've been 15 yards shorter and an interception...not that he'd even attempt a pass that long. :D

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[quote=Angry;477011]For fuck sake I never said he was Vick. I was making a reference to his passing woes. Thats all.

GOOD JOB CAMPBELL

NOW DO IT NEXT WEEK![/quote]

It was an asinine reference. If you saw Campbell play at all last year then you would know that his struggles came more from the poor offensive line play (Thomas and Jansen gone and no LG until trade for Kendall) and piss poor wideout play. So don't get all pissy because you made a horrible comparison.

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[quote=memphisskin;477088]It was an asinine reference. If you saw Campbell play at all last year then you would know that his struggles came more from the poor offensive line play (Thomas and Jansen gone and no LG until trade for Kendall) and piss poor wideout play. So don't get all pissy because you made a horrible comparison.[/quote]

Whatever, agree to disagree, moving on. I'm done.

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[quote=memphisskin;477088]It was an asinine reference. If you saw Campbell play at all last year then you would know that his struggles came more from the poor offensive line play (Thomas and Jansen gone and no LG until trade for Kendall) and piss poor wideout play. So don't get all pissy because you made a horrible comparison.[/quote]

It was a horrible comparison but I do not agree that JC's poor play last year came from offensive line or piss poor wideout play. Sorry, I do not agree with that at all. Collins did just fine with that O line and the wideouts.

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Ignorance is bliss. To compare Jason to Vick is ridiculous. JC is a much better pocket passer. To say this is his first 300 yard game. Further proves my point. He has had more than one good game. But sometimes other things cause you to lose games. Dropped balls. Poor run defense and other variables. NO one is hyping JC up to be Montana or Elway.

Some fans are just tired of all the uneducated bashing. I can throw one game out there and a couple more but the Detroit game last year was one of his good performances also. But this is a team sport. For those bashing JC realize that even his last game wasn't as bad as people made it out to be (no turnovers - decent completion percentage) and he made signifigant improvement this game. Getting the ball out quicker and receivers were helping him by getting open and we had a better run game. Comparing him to Vick draws the conclusion of why you really hate him. Because they are nothing alike.

No one is blowing this win out of proportion. It just proves that all the haters don't know football. This thread is idiotic.

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[quote=hesscl34;477108]It was a horrible comparison but I do not agree that JC's poor play last year came from offensive line or piss poor wideout play. Sorry, I do not agree with that at all. Collins did just fine with that O line and the wideouts.[/quote]

Yeah after the O-line started playing better with time later in the year and the receivers were healthier also. They had just started to gel. I am not saying anything else. JC will make some people eat crow. Get yor hot sauce ready.

People can't be happy with the win. Even when he plays good people still hate him. Why?

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;477112]Yeah after the O-line started playing better with time later in the year and the receivers were healthier also. They had just started to gel. I am not saying anything else. JC will make some people eat crow. Get yor hot sauce ready.

People can't be happy with the win. Even when he plays good people still hate him. Why?[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I am one that will totally back him if he consistently does well. The use of the word hater and idiots around here is a bit over done. People want to see him play that well over and over again, and I don't blame them. If you are realistic you know that JC played many more games poorly then he has played like he did on Sunday, so of course you are going to have doubters. Just ask Riggo and the boys on 980. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I loved what I saw on Sunday and not because the O line and wideouts did their job. I saw confidence and I saw poise and I saw JC change what he's done before that wasn’t working. THAT is growth, and I'm all for it.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]OK, since we can't leave stuff alone. Here is what I was drawing the comparison from.

How many times did Vick miss a deep target?

How many times did Vicks receivers drop passes when he did hit them?

How many times was Vick accused of holding the ball too long?

Do any of the above questions seem familiar?

[B]I was never comparing the abilities of the two QB's, I was comparing the similar problems and scrutiny due to those problems.[/B]

Furthermore, when Vick had that one great game, he sat down at his press conference and told the press that his performance that day should shut up all of the critics because he had proved that he could pass in the pocket. (PARAPHRASING)

In reality he only shut them up for a week because the very next game, it was the same old Vick, missing the deep ones and having his WR's drop the rest.

[B]Campbell[/B][B] did an OUTSTANDING job this week. But can he do it again, and again, and again?[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=hesscl34;477117][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I am one that will totally back him if he consistently does well. The use of the word hater and idiots around here is a bit over done. People want to see him play that well over and over again, and I don't blame them. If you are realistic you know that JC played many more games poorly then he has played like he did on Sunday, so of course you are going to have doubters. Just ask Riggo and the boys on 980. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I loved what I saw on Sunday and not because the O line and wideouts did their job. I saw confidence and I saw poise and I saw JC change what he's done before that wasn’t working. THAT is growth, and I'm all for it.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Well what other word should be used besides hater when JC does good and people still want him to fail for some reason???? Exactly!

he is going to have good games and bad games. Who has perfect games every Sunday. Evening Peyton Manning has poor games. The O-line and wide outs do make a difference and if you have a o-line is protecting you you can gain more confidence because you have a chance to make throws.

As far as the Vick comparisions. There are other Qbs that have missed long passes and have had receivers drop balls. So the comparison is not a good one. Vick made his living running the ball. JC doesn't. Vick was a running QB. JC is more of a pocket passer by far. Be happy we won and stop trying to find things to criticize. Are you more about JC failing or us winning. Ponder that for a minute.

JC is not Ryan Leaf!! You have to give a QB a chance to grow. He will make mistakes but it only makes him better. I have seen far more horrible QBs. People have to be patient. He hasn't even had two full seasons yet. Eli Manning was given time to develop look at him now.

Imagine if we had Rex Grossman, Jon Kitna or someone like that. Then you would have vailidity to your arguement.

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[quote=53Fan;477033]Campbell is still catching heat? Unbelievable. I saw a lot of progress. Not bad for the 2nd game. I fully expect him to continue. Does'nt mean every game will be great but he is improving in this offense. Is'nt that what good quarterbacks do? Is'nt that what we were looking for? Underthrown to Moss? Get real dude. That was a great play all around.[/quote]

100% agree

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It's amazing how much people flip flop on JC. I was at the game, up in section 412, and there were these guys sitting behind me, and after every failed play that involved JC, this guy would just trash him. He'd start talking about how Colt Brennan should be playing, how long it's been and JC still sucks, etc. Then the 4th quarter bomb happened and this dude starts celebrating and telling all his friends how he knew deep down that JC has it. I'm sure there are people on this board exactly like that too.

That's why after every game, win or lose, I pretty much remind myself that they aren't as horrible as they look, or in the case of a winning game, they aren't as good as they look.

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[quote=mooby;477135]It's amazing how much people flip flop on JC. I was at the game, up in section 412, and there were these guys sitting behind me, and after every failed play that involved JC, this guy would just trash him. He'd start talking about how Colt Brennan should be playing, how long it's been and JC still sucks, etc. Then the 4th quarter bomb happened and this dude starts celebrating and telling all his friends how he knew deep down that JC has it. I'm sure there are people on this board exactly like that too.

That's why after every game, win or lose, I pretty much remind myself that they aren't as horrible as they look, or in the case of a winning game, they aren't as good as they look.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It's pretty easy to flip flop when JC has been so inconsistent. However, I have never seen him play the way he played on Sunday. There hasn't been a game prior that I came away feeling that good about him. I didn't see much in that game that he did wrong, so I'm surprised you heard a guy screaming for Colt at all. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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LOL you'd be suprised. After an overthrow, a sack, any kind of negative play that involved JC you would've been hearing 2-3 guys calling for Collins or Brennan.

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[quote=mooby;477142]LOL you'd be suprised. After an overthrow, a sack, any kind of negative play that involved JC you would've been hearing 2-3 guys calling for Collins or Brennan.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]He wasn't perfect, but compared to his play previously? OMG, it was like night and day. That kid was fighting for his job out there and he did very well. I just hope he keeps it up![/FONT][/COLOR]

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One thing that's bothered me is what exactly has he done to warrant all the criticism ANYWAY? He's been pretty consistent over the years that he's started and that includes a fairly dated offensive scheme he was running.

It's almost like people were taking that first Giants game and acting like that's the only one that "counted" when it comes to JC.