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[quote=SmootSmack;531237]Will we be seeing you doing sit-ups in your driveway anytime soon?

When asked to comment on Matty's three-typo post during the Redskins vs. Rams Game Thread, Schneed wiped away the tears behind his Oakley shades and replied "that's my teammate...that's my site administrator"[/quote]
By any chance does Schneed own a ........a white Bronco?

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Now look, I think my original post is being misunderstood. Just b/c Schneed speaks his mind and isn't concerned with chemistry is not a reason to ditch him.

Rather, even though he's redundant and a jerk at times, we don't want a team of pantywaists and group huggers. So far he hasn't started his own "SchneedSite" and, while Schneed may love sum Schneed, he doesn't throw it in everyone's face (well, not too often). When it comes to crunching numbers, he's a real team player.

Smoot has always wanted this site to be about him and has some real leadership issues. So of course, he's gonna bring up the "he's my site-administrator" issue. SS is still upset about losing the Best Admin contest years ago and is just busy piling on the hate. EVEN AFTER SCHNEED GAVE HIM PROPS!!! It's wrong man, it's just wrong.

My ONLY point was that Schneed's a solid site guy but there is no need to go out on a limb to retain him with a franchise/transition tag.

Stop the hate, Smoot. Stop the hate.

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I'll admit I was much humbler as TAFKAS, but the name SmootSmack demands arrogance!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;531074]So long as Canuck is around (I think we have him under contract until 2050) we should be fine.[/quote]

My agent sucks, I want to restructure...

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PS - I'm running around a bit but I'll get new cap sheets done this weekend.

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Jeez, I've been waiting all day to see 1) what's left over from the insanity of the last 24 hrs 2) reasonable scenarios of who we can sign to the o-line.

... c'mon people, i'm relying on you here :)

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First post in the thread is updated. Note that numbers are very preliminary at this point, but should be in the ballpark. CC will nail down the numbers like he always does.

I have us at $7.0 million in cap space currently. This is based on Canuck's February 12th sheets, and reflecting the following moves which have taken place since:

- The addition of Haynesworth and Hall.
- The tenders of Golston, Monty, and Suisham.
- The release of Washington and Springs.
- The voiding of Phillip Daniels' contract.
- The restructures/extensions of Carter, Randle-El, Samuels, and Griffin.
- The re-signing of Ethan Albright.

I anticipate Dockery can be had for $3.5 in space (assuming 15 million guaranteed). I anticipate we can grab another lineman for $2.5 or so. That should still leave us enough room for our rookies, and either Daniels or Evans, assuming the price on them comes down over the few weeks (which I think it will, they can't be valued very highly outside of Redskins Park).

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Thats good that we have an opportunity to still bring back Dockery, he should have never left and our left side of the line would be top notch.

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With the addition of Derrick Dockery, we move to $4.4 million in cap space. Per Schefter, he was signed for a bargain, $8.2 million in guaranteed money.

We still have the room to get another lineman.

We're at $4.4 million in space (ballpark). This is based on Canuck's February 12th sheets, and reflecting the following moves which have taken place since:

- The addition of Haynesworth, Hall, and [B]Dockery[/B].
- The tenders of Golston, Monty, and Suisham.
- The release of Washington and Springs.
- The voiding of Phillip Daniels' contract.
- The restructures/extensions of Carter, Randle-El, Samuels, and Griffin.
- The re-signing of Ethan Albright.

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so we have 4.4M is actual money we can spend on free agents? The rookie pool has been accounted for seperately? And how much do we need for players to replace those who could become injured during the season?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;531605]so we have 4.4M is actual money we can spend on free agents? The rookie pool has been accounted for seperately? And how much do we need for players to replace those who could become injured during the season?[/quote]

It's 4.4 right now, before the rookies. We'll have 4 picks, and I'm estimating a rough number of 2.5 for them. There will be 4 of them though, and signing them will bump some players out of the top 51.

I think we can sign one guy to a deal similar to what Dock got, wait for Evans or Daniels and get them at a low price, then sign our rookies.

CC will nail down the numbers real tight though, then we'll really know what we're dealing with.

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well we'll have almost another full million if we hurry up and cut thrash.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;531629]well we'll have almost another full million if we hurry up and cut thrash.[/quote]

Is that really true? What the hell are we waiting for?

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[quote=Schneed10;531575]
- The addition of Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery.
- The tenders of Golston, Monty, and Suisham.
- The release of Washington and Springs.
- The voiding of Phillip Daniels' contract.
- The restructures/extensions of Carter, Randle-El, Samuels, and Griffin.
- The re-signing of Ethan Albright.[/quote]

I have updated my sheets to reflect everything above except:
- The addition of Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery.

Based on PCinOZ's info I was able to decipher the details of all the extensions.

I have us at $13.682M of cap room.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;531629]well we'll have almost another full million if we hurry up and cut thrash.[/quote]

You mean our best special teamer? No thank you, Thrash is a true Redskin and has got a couple more in the tank.

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[URL="http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b38ac1"]Thrash[/URL]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;531629]well we'll have almost another full million if we hurry up and cut thrash.[/quote]

That's funny. When I was looking over the CAP sheet here that's the first thing I noticed also. We are like 800,000 under and cutting him gives us another 800,000. lol.

I wonder if there are players like Portis or others scheduled to make decent money that are looking at some FA thinking, Hey I could restructure if they go after so and so.

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[quote=NM Redskin;531723]You mean our best special teamer? No thank you, Thrash is a true Redskin and has got a couple more in the tank.[/quote]
what is up with the man crush on Thrash? some of those rookies will definitely be playing on special teams. i say see you later to Thrash

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Unless we have someone specifically ready to take up the room we would free up from cutting Thrash, I don't see the point.

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[quote=dmek25;531773]what is up with the man crush on Thrash? some of those rookies will definitely be playing on special teams. i say see you later to Thrash[/quote]

He plays a 100% percent. Both of our last two coaches rave about his pratice work ethic and locker room presence. Shoot, Joe Gibbs once said he wished he had 53 James Trashes. And last but not least, he never get any love on this board and has been a redskin forever.

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[quote=NM Redskin;531995]He plays a 100% percent. Both of our last two coaches rave about his pratice work ethic and locker room presence. Shoot, Joe Gibbs once said he wished he had 53 James Trashes. And last but not least, he never get any love on this board and has been a redskin forever.[/quote]

and now he's ancient and even slower. 53 james thrashes would lose you a lot of games.

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[quote=That Guy;532102]and now he's ancient and even slower. 53 james thrashes would lose you a lot of games.[/quote]

Yeah but he is a core guy and he fights his guts out. 53 James Thrashes would be 0-16 to the Lions.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;531719]I have updated my sheets to reflect everything above except:
- The addition of Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery.

Based on PCinOZ's info I was able to decipher the details of all the extensions.

I have us at $13.682M of cap room.[/quote]

The top thread was updated to reflect better details on the four contract extensions (Carter, Randle El, Griffin, and Samuels). JLC had reported a savings of 10.0 between them. Your numbers showed an actual savings of 9.1 between them.

This was changed. At this point, I'm getting 3.5 million in cap room, which now jumps off your 13.6 with added estimations for Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery, plus the $4 million increase in the cap limit.

It has occurred to me the Redskins may want to get a punter worth a crap. I haven't seen anything saying they plan to do so, though.

Thanks for the info, CC.

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[quote=That Guy;532102]and now he's ancient and even slower. 53 james thrashes would lose you a lot of games.[/quote]

He is not slow and ancient, see the example of the video I posted from last year. And apparently you fail to see the point that Gibbs was trying to make, that effort and hard work count for something and that if more players had that drive it would make his job so much easier.

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Just did another update with the following:

- Added Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery contracts. Haven't found any specific salary or bonus info yet but I'm using assumptions based on various media reports. I have Haynesworth at $7.9M for 2009 and Hall at $5.2M as per this article: [url=http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/28/redskins-spend-freely-despite-cap-constraints/]Washington Times - Redskins spend freely despite cap[/url]. I have Dockery's 2009 cap hit at $1.8M.

- Changed salary cap from $123M to $127M.

I now have us at $3.787M of cap room.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;532163]Just did another update with the following:

- Added Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery contracts. Haven't found any specific salary or bonus info yet but I'm using assumptions based on various media reports. I have Haynesworth at $7.9M for 2009 and Hall at $5.2M as per this article: [url=http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/28/redskins-spend-freely-despite-cap-constraints/]Washington Times - Redskins spend freely despite cap[/url]. I have Dockery's 2009 cap hit at $1.8M.

- Changed salary cap from $123M to $127M.

I now have us at $3.787M of cap room.[/quote]

This is just enough to sign our draftees i guess. Are there any players left to restructure to the point we could sign another FA olineman?

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Let me just add, if the Redskins were a baby in a burning building, James Thrash would rush in and save the Redskins.

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[quote=Schneed10;532120]The top thread was updated to reflect better details on the four contract extensions (Carter, Randle El, Griffin, and Samuels). JLC had reported a savings of 10.0 between them. Your numbers showed an actual savings of 9.1 between them.

This was changed. At this point, I'm getting 3.5 million in cap room, which now jumps off your 13.6 with added estimations for Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery, plus the $4 million increase in the cap limit.

It has occurred to me the Redskins may want to get a punter worth a crap. I haven't seen anything saying they plan to do so, though.

Thanks for the info, CC.[/quote]

I think i heard they looked at hunter smith, but the money is pretty tight now.

if the deals were haynesworth (41/5 + .745 = 8.945) hall (22.5/5 + .745 = 5.245), and dockery (8.5/5 + .745 = 2.445) that's 16.635mill.

that's 5 years proration on bonuses + vet min for years in the NFL. If the bonuses are guaranteed, according the the rules for this year, they're either pro-rated, like the signing bonus, or count 100% or 50% towards 2009's cap (50% if the guaranteed money is to be paid after 2012). [B]I don't know the status on at least 8mill of haynesworth's guarantees, [/B]so i'm assuming proration for now, since that's the smallest 2009 cap hit.

the 8mill might be some type of split bonus but i'm not sure you can call non-guaranteed money as part of the 41$mill guarantee.

2009 specific salary cap 101:
[url=http://forum.nfluk.com/blog.php?b=403]Salary Cap 101: The Final Capped Year - NFL UK Forums[/url]

again, if someone has better info, please share.

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[quote=NM Redskin;532162]He is not slow and ancient, see the example of the video I posted from last year. And apparently you fail to see the point that Gibbs was trying to make, that effort and hard work count for something and that if more players had that drive it would make his job so much easier.[/quote]

no, i see that point, along with the super smart football players fighting their guts out after every losing game too.

if the best highlight you have of thrash is of a corner falling down and leaving him uncovered, well... that's pretty weak. he's just not very good.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;532163]Just did another update with the following:

- Added Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery contracts. Haven't found any specific salary or bonus info yet but I'm using assumptions based on various media reports. I have Haynesworth at $7.9M for 2009 and Hall at $5.2M as per this article: [URL="http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/28/redskins-spend-freely-despite-cap-constraints/"]Washington Times - Redskins spend freely despite cap[/URL]. I have Dockery's 2009 cap hit at $1.8M.

- Changed salary cap from $123M to $127M.

I now have us at $3.787M of cap room.[/quote]

I changed the numbers in this thread to reflect yours. It amounted to only a 0.3 million change, so we're on the same page.

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[quote=The Goat;532165]This is just enough to sign our draftees i guess. Are there any players left to restructure to the point we could sign another FA olineman?[/quote]

I think we have space to sign another lineman to a Dockery type contract, then still sign our rookies. We might not go that route though. We might instead choose to get a punter worth a darn, and then bring Khary Campbell and Demetric Evans back.

It's impossible to know what the team will do from this point forward, since it's just a matter of filling in a gap or two.

As for restructures, we could actually still save space by restructuring Rabach, cutting Thrash, or extending/restructuring/cutting Jason Taylor. The team has said though that Taylor will be back at his existing salary number. There's a section in the first post showing Other Ways To Reduce the Cap Number.

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[quote=That Guy;532172]I think i heard they looked at hunter smith, but the money is pretty tight now.

if the deals were haynesworth (41/5 + .745 = 8.945) hall (22.5/5 + .745 = 5.245), and dockery (8.5/5 + .745 = 2.445) that's 16.635mill.

that's 5 years proration on bonuses + vet min for years in the NFL. If the bonuses are guaranteed, according the the rules for this year, they're either pro-rated, like the signing bonus, or count 100% or 50% towards 2009's cap (50% if the guaranteed money is to be paid after 2012). [B]I don't know the status on at least 8mill of haynesworth's guarantees, [/B]so i'm assuming proration for now, since that's the smallest 2009 cap hit.

the 8mill might be some type of split bonus but i'm not sure you can call non-guaranteed money as part of the 41$mill guarantee.

2009 specific salary cap 101:
[url=http://forum.nfluk.com/blog.php?b=403]Salary Cap 101: The Final Capped Year - NFL UK Forums[/url]

again, if someone has better info, please share.[/quote]

Hunter Smith has interest in us, not sure how mutual it is at this point

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[quote=NM Redskin;532169]Let me just add, if the Redskins were a baby in a burning building, James Thrash would rush in and save the Redskins.[/quote]

Yea but he's the Rock Cartwright of the defense. He knows all the WR routes and is a great ST but if we don't use him or he keeps dropping balls like the rest then all he is, is a ST character type guy. Yes he's a team leader but he's taking a roster spot for just being a ST. No different then Rock. Rocks a nice kick returner and character guy but that's it. He sucks at RB with his one step forward two steps back, dancing in the back field. Rocks the type who loses 15-20 yrds then breaks a 40 or 50 yarder. Thats not what we need. besides he fumbles alot as a RB.

I like Thrash and was happy they brought him back, but if he's only being used in a one dimensional manner then cut him and get another tall young WR to groom by the WR coach who can't develope WR's. lol.

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Do we have the room to sign someone like Crowell and Hunter Smith?

Anyone else a little concerned/surprised that we haven't signed Smith yet? I thought he would have been a no-brainer early FA signing. Oh well.

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[quote=Mattyk72;532228]Do we have the room to sign someone like Crowell and Hunter Smith?

Anyone else a little concerned/surprised that we haven't signed Smith yet? I thought he would have been a no-brainer early FA signing. Oh well.[/quote]

Yes. I find it hard to believe we're just going to stick with who we have. I'm not even sure of his name.

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Even for a guy like Hunter Smith, Punter is just one of those positions that teams don't rush out to fill early in free agency. Interest in him at this point around the league has been kind of lukewarm, it will probably pick up later in the week once the dust settles some

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our space is probably spent unless they want to redo taylor/rabach, cut thrash or taylor or whatnot.

k. campbell already got offered his deal by the skins i've heard, so he'll be back.

is todd collins really signed with us through 2013? man that seems like a long time to have him under wraps.

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[quote=That Guy;532234]our space is probably spent unless they want to redo taylor/rabach, cut thrash or taylor or whatnot.

k. campbell already got offered his deal by the skins i've heard, so he'll be back.[/quote]

Taylor's deal may still get restructured. Campbell was offered a deal, but he's kind of like Demetric Evans in that he's looking to play (even start) so he's shopping himself around some. I think he'll be back though

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[quote=SmootSmack;532237]Taylor's deal may still get restructured. Campbell was offered a deal, but he's kind of like Demetric Evans in that he's looking to play (even start) so he's shopping himself around some. I think he'll be back though[/quote]

i can't name a single team that'd start k campbell. he's really a teams player or sub's sub only... so i'm not too worried there.

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The latest sheets:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/url]