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[quote=Dirtbag359;533292]I think a lot of you are taking London Fletcher for granted. Guys gonna be 34 this season and obviously he isn't getting younger. If Willis really is a legit starting RT (and ironically in seeing the Seahawks/Cowboys game he seemed to be one of two guys that wasn't getting his ass handed to him) then that will free us up to draft Maualgua use him as an OLB and groom him for the MLB spot. I think right now the best COA (course of action) is as follows:

- Call Evans right now and work out a contract
- Sign Willis to about 3 million per year, backloaded contract of course
- Draft Maualuga
- Draft a C/G Prospect in the third round[/quote]

Me likey... although I won't complain if we grab Oher/Smith w/ the 13th pick but I think it leaves us a little unsettled at LB even if we do bring in Crowell

... btw I rewatched video of Rey last night... holy shit man, that's all i can say, holy shit.

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no they mean Mandatory stuff.

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Like BHA said, I would rather draft Oher or A Smith than sigining Ray Willis if we are taking only 4 OTs, Samuels @ LT and draft @ RT while Jansen and Heyer are the backups. But if we do sign Ray Willis and draft say Oher, then we might as well cut Jansen and take the hit or take 5 OTs in the 53 man roster.

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[quote=vallin21;533288]First off I wouldn't believe a word of anything that goofball JLC writes. Second, Haven't we seen enough of Heyer already to know he can't be a starting RT?[/quote]

Uhhhh no. He was pushed into duty as an undrafted free agent his rookie season. Last year, he played one game at RT before going down with an injury. The rest of the year, he played at LEFT tackle when Samuels went down.

So we havent seen anything from Heyer yet. Hes entering his third year and the only thing he has shown is that he's one heck of a backup who has improved leaps and bounds every year and hes a guy. He was never, ever humiliated when playing LT. In all honesty, he did ok there, although we would never want him to start there.

All Heyer has done is get better and succeed at everything he's been asked to do. He's dirt cheap and has a ton of upside. However, in the end, we someone who can start at left takle so Samuels can move right.

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heyer gets handled alot tho. true story.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;533292]I think a lot of you are taking London Fletcher for granted. Guys gonna be 34 this season and obviously he isn't getting younger. If Willis really is a legit starting RT (and ironically in seeing the Seahawks/Cowboys game he seemed to be one of two guys that wasn't getting his ass handed to him) then that will free us up to draft Maualgua use him as an OLB and groom him for the MLB spot. I think right now the best COA (course of action) is as follows:

- Call Evans right now and work out a contract
- Sign Willis to about 3 million per year, backloaded contract of course
- Draft Maualuga
- Draft a C/G Prospect in the third round[/quote]

I have been under the impression that HB Blades is going to replace Fletcher at MLB when the time comes. I believe the reason that they have had him playing outside is because he is better than the rest of the options.

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[quote=tryfuhl;533293]I think that you got a lil confused there bud.[/quote]

I was not confused, I responded to an ambiguous sentence. Thanks for noticing, pal.

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co-sign about blades.

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[quote=Mattyk72;533291]You left out the part where others in the org. don't agree with that thought.[/quote]

You said you hadnt heard anyone say Heyer could be a "legit starter." I was just pointing out that several people inside the organization think he can be an "above average" starter. The RI article says others disagree - but it doesnt specify whether they disagree that he can start or that he can be "above average."

Ive still yet to see any quotes from any within the Seahawks organization about what potential they see in Willis. JLC mentioned him as a possibility (Zorn connection) and all of a sudden, everyone has decided this guy is our future RT without knowing anything about the guy other than that he started a few games last year. Considering how important OTs are, you would think if Seattle really valued this guy, theyd be trying their best to work something out with him. Thus far, theyve shown no such interest. And no other teams have been reported to be looking at this guy as a starting option.

That, inofitself, is more than enough to tell me this guy may have potential, but right now, hes just Seattles version of Stephon Heyer. If we werent dragging jansens dead weight, a very good argument could be made for bringing him on board - Two young OTs with starting experience is better than one. Unfortunately, were stuck with Jansen for the time being and unless we have no intention of drafting an OT with the 13th pick in the draft, theres simply not room for Willis on our roster.

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[quote=Angry;533305]I have been under the impression that HB Blades is going to replace Fletcher at MLB when the time comes. I believe the reason that they have had him playing outside is because he is better than the rest of the options.[/quote]

agreed. Blades was horrible at OLB last year. Hes far too small to be our starting OLB, especially with another small guy in the middle. Blades may or may not end up being Fletcher 2.0, but one things for sure - we need one starting OLB and probably two new backup LBs or we're going to be in trouble.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;533312]agreed. Blades was horrible at OLB last year. Hes far too small to be our starting OLB, especially with another small guy in the middle. Blades may or may not end up being Fletcher 2.0, but one things for sure - we need one starting OLB and probably two new backup LBs or we're going to be in trouble.[/quote]

Well as of this minute, Blades is a projected starter (along with Chris Wilson). We need to make a move to fix those holes sooner rather than later.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;533308]I was not confused, I responded to an ambiguous sentence. Thanks for noticing, pal.[/quote]
Anytime champ.

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[quote=Angry;533305]I have been under the impression that HB Blades is going to replace Fletcher at MLB when the time comes. I believe the reason that they have had him playing outside is because he is better than the rest of the options.[/quote]

From what I recall, Blache actually likes Matt Sinclair a lot as a backup MLB. He got hurt last summer so they had to cut him and I think he's an UFA now. But I'm guessing he joins us for training camp and maybe works his way onto the roster as Fletch's backup.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;533313]Well as of this minute, Blades is a projected starter (along with Chris Wilson). We need to make a move to fix those holes sooner rather than later.[/quote]

I agree. I'd love to get one or two of these guys:

Angelo Crowell, Bills
Derrick Brooks, Bucs
Cato June, Bucs
Kevin Burnett, Cowboys

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[quote=mmil12;532823]i agree 8.5 is too high to bring back Taylor. I just hope the Front Office makes 2-3 quality moves the remaining money we have under the cap.

I suggest:
1 - One Linebacker through FA
2 - One DE through the Draft
3 - One O-Lineman through FA
4 - A DAMN KICKER!

Thoughts?[/quote]
i argree with everything you said except i feel number 3 should be 1 Portis could be more of a beast then he is with a good line in front of him also Campbell could be more productive with a better line in front of him

I suggest:
3 - One O-Lineman through FA
1 - One Linebacker through FA
2 - One DE through the Draft
4 - A KICKER!
5- A good punter

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;533310]You said you hadnt heard anyone say Heyer could be a "legit starter." I was just pointing out that several people inside the organization think he can be an "above average" starter. The RI article says others disagree - but it doesnt specify whether they disagree that he can start or that he can be "above average."

Ive still yet to see any quotes from any within the Seahawks organization about what potential they see in Willis. JLC mentioned him as a possibility (Zorn connection) and all of a sudden, everyone has decided this guy is our future RT without knowing anything about the guy other than that he started a few games last year. Considering how important OTs are, you would think if Seattle really valued this guy, theyd be trying their best to work something out with him. Thus far, theyve shown no such interest. And no other teams have been reported to be looking at this guy as a starting option.

That, inofitself, is more than enough to tell me this guy may have potential, but right now, hes just Seattles version of Stephon Heyer. If we werent dragging jansens dead weight, a very good argument could be made for bringing him on board - Two young OTs with starting experience is better than one. Unfortunately, were stuck with Jansen for the time being and unless we have no intention of drafting an OT with the 13th pick in the draft, theres simply not room for Willis on our roster.[/quote]

I should have been more clear, I was referring to comments from those outside the org. regarding Heyer. I heard Clayton talk highly of Willis recently, if Heyer was a FA I just doubt we would be hearing very much talk of him being seen as a starter, at least at this point in time.

Seattle already has a starter at RT so I'm guessing that's why they aren't in a rush to re-sign him especially at starter type money that he's looking for.

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[quote=Mattyk72;533330]I should have been more clear, I was referring to comments from those outside the org. regarding Heyer. I heard Clayton talk highly of Willis recently, if Heyer was a FA I just doubt we would be hearing very much talk of him being seen as a starter, at least at this point in time.

Seattle already has a starter at RT so I'm guessing that's why they aren't in a rush to re-sign him especially at starter type money that he's looking for.[/quote]

If we sign him, we better not think about paying him starter money. He hasnt done enough to prove hes worth more than a 3 year deal with more than 3-4M garaunteed.

[quote=SmootSmack;533319]From what I recall, Blache actually likes Matt Sinclair a lot as a backup MLB. He got hurt last summer so they had to cut him and I think he's an UFA now. But I'm guessing he joins us for training camp and maybe works his way onto the roster as Fletch's backup.[/quote]

That kind of leaves blades as the odd-man out. I dont like him as anything other than a backup MLB or special teams player at this point. I dont remember too much about Sinclair. hes certainly got more size.

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Well, we'd be fine starting Blades, who is a better player than McIntosh, but Chris Wilson can't be an everydown player.

You know, you'd think since we bothered to hold Erasmus James through the [I]entire season[/I] last year, we would have kept him on into this year...but no.

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I'm of the opinion that Heyer has great fundamentals and can start in this league, but he's just so unbelievably raw. It's incredible if he has to run a toss play or kick out the backer or something he just has no idea where the player is.

That's the thing, is that Heyer only has one more year to show progress in that aspect, or he becomes too costly to keep around.

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[quote=GTripp0012;533339]Well, we'd be fine starting Blades, who is a better player than McIntosh, but Chris Wilson can't be an everydown player.

You know, you'd think since we bothered to hold Erasmus James through the [I]entire season[/I] last year, we would have kept him on into this year...but no.[/quote]

I don't know if I would say that Blades is better than Rocky. In the beginning of the year, Rocky is a beast.

James is out there if we want him!

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For whatever it's worth on Willis.....[url=http://profootball.scout.com/2/828691.html]Scout.com: 2009 Free Agency-Guard[/url]

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;533345]I don't know if I would say that Blades is better than Rocky. In the beginning of the year, Rocky is a beast.

James is out there if we want him![/quote]I did notice that about McIntosh, but Blades was a beast all year (given of course the fact that he didn't play much in the first few weeks before Washington's injury).

He's a fantastic young prospect -- although I wouldn't want to see him chasing a tight end across the field ever again.

Moving Rocky to SLB should simplify the reads for him a bit, which might help him produce, but I think 2009 is it for him here. He's a non-tender candidate after this year.

Blades is a candidate for a long term deal if he improves this year, I think.

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[quote=GTripp0012;533344]I'm of the opinion that Heyer has great fundamentals and can start in this league, but he's just so unbelievably raw. It's incredible if he has to run a toss play or kick out the backer or something he just has no idea where the player is.

That's the thing, is that Heyer only has one more year to show progress in that aspect, or he becomes too costly to keep around.[/quote]

So where, if anywhere, do you see Devin Clark falling into all of this? I found it kind of interesting that both he and Vinny have mentioned Clark (along with Rinehart) as guy they're expecting to step up for 2009?

Second question, suppose we bring Daniels back (or even if we don't) with Haynesworth, Griffin, Monty, and Golston would you entertain any thoughts of sending Alexander back to the offensive side of the ball?

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[quote=GTripp0012;533339]Well, we'd be fine starting Blades, who is a better player than McIntosh, but Chris Wilson can't be an everydown player.

[B] You know, you'd think since we bothered to hold Erasmus James through the [I]entire season[/I] last year, we would have kept him on into this year...but no[/B].[/quote]

Not quite, he was cut on 12/9. And keep him for what? Both Wilson and Jackson had both passed James on the depth chart. James played in a dozen to 15 plays all year, cut the cord, he was worthless.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;533302]Uhhhh no. He was pushed into duty as an undrafted free agent his rookie season. Last year, he played one game at RT before going down with an injury. The rest of the year, he played at LEFT tackle when Samuels went down.

So we havent seen anything from Heyer yet. Hes entering his third year and the only thing he has shown is that he's one heck of a backup who has improved leaps and bounds every year and hes a guy. He was never, ever humiliated when playing LT. In all honesty, he did ok there, although we would never want him to start there.

All Heyer has done is get better and succeed at everything he's been asked to do. He's dirt cheap and has a ton of upside. However, in the end, we someone who can start at left takle so Samuels can move right.[/quote]

Bottom line is that Heyer is NOT a starting OT in the league. Willis has more experience and fits Zorn and his scheme, therefore I would easily take Willis ahead of a proven backup (Heyer). Hopefully they sign Willis so that he can get a shot at starting.

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[quote=SmootSmack;533350]So where, if anywhere, do you see Devin Clark falling into all of this? I found it kind of interesting that both he and Vinny have mentioned Clark (along with Rinehart) as guy they're expecting to step up for 2009?

Second question, suppose we bring Daniels back (or even if we don't) with Haynesworth, Griffin, Monty, and Golston would you entertain any thoughts of sending Alexander back to the offensive side of the ball?[/quote]I don't see Devin Clark fitting in anywhere. It's interesting though, unless Jansen bumps inside, we currently don't have a backup Guard or Center under contract, outside of Rinehart. If Clark can handle, say, Right Guard, he might have a future. At tackle, no.

I would not send Alexander back to the offensive side under any circumstances. He's a bad blocker, and has no redeeming qualities. But as a defensive player, he can play the 3 shade or the nose equally well (although we go three deep at the nose now), and has very good skills.

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[quote=vallin21;533360]Bottom line is that Heyer is NOT a starting OT in the league. Willis has more experience and fits Zorn and his scheme, therefore I would easily take Willis ahead of a proven backup (Heyer). Hopefully they sign Willis so that he can get a shot at starting.[/quote]

Whatever delusions you have about Willis, you have no evidence to make your "bottom line" point that Heyer isnt a starting OT in this league. Heyer is supposed to be a RT and he's never had significant playing time there since his rookie season... when he impressed. Considering he had to play LT in place of a pro-bowler last year, i would say he was pretty darn impressive last year too.

Weve never heard anything from people within redskins park indicating they didnt think Heyer was not a starting caliber RT. We have some in the organizaiton who think he can be. others have doubts, but no one has indicated theres no way hes a starting RT - so how in the world did you reach that conclusion?

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[quote=GTripp0012;533363]I don't see Devin Clark fitting in anywhere. It's interesting though, unless Jansen bumps inside, we currently don't have a backup Guard or Center under contract, outside of Rinehart. If Clark can handle, say, Right Guard, he might have a future. At tackle, no.
[/quote]

agreed. Im not expecting much from either of them in 2010 though. Both would be lucky to make the active roster at any point during the season.

On another subject, am i the only one a little troubled by the fact that we have 13M in cap space and arent doing anything to improve our team after losing Springs and Taylor?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;533411]agreed. Im not expecting much from either of them in 2010 though. Both would be lucky to make the active roster at any point during the season.

On another subject, [B]am i the only one a little troubled by the fact that we have 13M in cap space and arent doing anything to improve our team after losing Springs and Taylor[/B]?[/quote]

Huh..? They just got the money freed up yesterday.

Givem a week or so to spend some of the loot, damn. Did you think they would spend the cash over night?

Patience grasshopper!

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;533414]Huh..? They just got the money freed up yesterday.

Givem a week or so to spend some of the loot, ***. Did you think they would spend the cash over night?

Patience grasshopper![/quote]

But we know they are impulsive and don't have any plans, so they should be spending it as fast as they get it. (and actually, I kinda figured they would have signed someone by now also)

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Tuna Master Plan. Knowing the Skins would bite. Taylor was used as a spy and a draft pick burglar................ I don't know after 21 pages of Jason Taylor Released it's all I got left :)............... It would be interesting if he ended up back in Miami.

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Best Available Free Agents (according to my SpreadSheet):

Jermaine Phillips, S, Tampa Bay 89 (Visiting: Seahawks, Chargers)
Leonard Weaver, RB/FB, Seattle 88 (No reported interest)
Cooper Carlisle, G, Oakland 87 (Negotiating with Raiders)
Kurt Warner, QB, Arizona 86 (Expected to re-sign by weekend)
Ray Lewis, LB, Baltimore 86 (Expected to re-sign, Baltimore is only offer)
Tank Johnson, DT, Dallas 86 (No reported interest)
Pete Kendall, G, Washington 85 (No reported interest)
Matt Birk, C, Minnesota 85 (Visiting Baltimore, has offer from Vikings, might retire)
Byron Leftwich, QB, Pittsburgh 84 (No reported interest)
Bertrand Berry, DE, Arizona 84 (No reported interest)
Jon Runyan, OT, Phildelphia 84 (Might re-sign or retire)
Laveranues Coles, WR, Jets 84 (Offers from Bengals, Bills, and Dolphins, expect to sign soon)

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;533409]Whatever delusions you have about Willis, you have no evidence to make your "bottom line" point that Heyer isnt a starting OT in this league. [B]Heyer is supposed to be a RT and he's never had significant playing time there since his rookie season... when he impressed.[/B] Considering he had to play LT in place of a pro-bowler last year, i would say he was pretty darn impressive last year too.

Weve never heard anything from people within redskins park indicating they didnt think Heyer was not a starting caliber RT. We have some in the organizaiton who think he can be. others have doubts, but no one has indicated theres no way hes a starting RT - so how in the world did you reach that conclusion?[/quote]

I tend to agree with this. Most players don't play as well out of position and Heyer is no exception. His best position is RT. In a recent interview Buges said Heyer can be as good as he wants to be. He also said he had come a long way since he first got here and had trouble adjusting to his own size at first. I don't know if he had a late growth spurt or what but that's what he said. I think he deserves a shot. I still see nothing wrong with taking a quality OT in the draft. If Heyer is not as good as the rookie he is still a valuable back up.

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I like Bertrand berry, wouldnt might mind bringing him in. What about Cromwell? is he still on the market, i dont see him on your list of top free agents left.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;533418][B]But we know they are impulsive and don't have any plans[/B], so they should be spending it as fast as they get it. (and actually, I kinda figured they would have signed someone by now also)[/quote]

I think they have done a really good job with the three signings so far, kudos to Dan/Vinny and the FO. Yes of course impulsive isn't out of the question, Dan Snyder is the owner.

But for what reason would you think they don't have 'any plans'...? Explain. All the other moves have been well thought/planned out, expect Dock he became available unexpectedly and happened to be an area of need for the team.

I totally disagree with the they don't have 'any plans' for the next move. I'm quite sure they have a solid game plan for the next move or moves in the FA market.

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[quote=MiraclesHappen07;533435]I like Bertrand berry, wouldnt might mind bringing him in. What about Cromwell? is he still on the market, i dont see him on your list of top free agents left.[/quote]He's still around, but isn't one of the "top" guys available.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;533436]I think they have done a really good job with the three signings so far, kudos to Dan/Vinny and the FO. Yes of course impulsive isn't out of the question, Dan Snyder is the owner.

But for what reason would you think they don't have 'any plans'...? Explain. All the other moves have been well thought/planned out, expect Dock he became available unexpectedly and happened to be an area of need for the team.

I totally disagree with the they don't have 'any plans' for the next move. I'm quite sure they have a solid game plan for the next move or moves in the FA market.[/quote]

Sorry, I was being sarcastic, I sometimes forget to indicate it. I am very happy with the FO. I think they do solid research and plan accordingly. In fact I am now thinking that they really were surprised that Taylor would not agree to the terms, and so now they are re-thinking and studying who can be the best help with the players left on the market.

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[quote=MiraclesHappen07;533435]I like [B]Bertrand berry[/B], wouldnt might mind bringing him in. What about Cromwell? is he still on the market, i dont see him on your list of top free agents left.[/quote]

34 years old 09 season. No thanks. He hasnt been able to play a full season in three years.
06 - 10 games
07 - 9 games
08 - 14 games
He does get some sacks though 13.5 in three years.

FA's are looking a little weak.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;533409]Whatever delusions you have about Willis, you have no evidence to make your "bottom line" point that Heyer isnt a starting OT in this league. Heyer is supposed to be a RT and he's never had significant playing time there since his rookie season... when he impressed. Considering he had to play LT in place of a pro-bowler last year, i would say he was pretty darn impressive last year too.

Weve never heard anything from people within redskins park indicating they didnt think Heyer was not a starting caliber RT. We have some in the organizaiton who think he can be. others have doubts, but no one has indicated theres no way hes a starting RT - so how in the world did you reach that conclusion?[/quote]

Dude we've all seen him play enough last year and he wasdn't that special. Whatever delusions you have about Heyer being our next RT is crazy. I guess if you want to think he's an ALL Pro RT after once good start that's fine, but you'll be dissapointed when Heyer is relegated to the bench Opening Day.

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[quote=GTripp0012;533438]He's still around, but isn't one of the "top" guys available.[/quote]

ahhhh, alright. but i still wouldnt mind bringing him in, and berry.