Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;626810]link? What Moss incident?[/quote]


[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31564-randy-moss-no-class-3.html[/URL]

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;626818]I was talking about the team, not the board.[/quote]

Clinton Portis/CantonLegend is always welcomed on the Redskins. As long as he stops having delusions of grandeur and stops running into his own men.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;626821]Clinton Portis/CantonLegend is always welcomed on the Redskins. As long as he stops having delusions of grandeur and stops running into his own men.[/quote]

I don't know man, I still think it's him.

DRave, I drove by your campus yesterday. Beautiful day yesterday.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=SmootSmack;626811]He's just a Saints fan from Ohio. Anything beyond that I won't say.

There's no special connection to Portis.

By the way, didn't Riggo used to skip practices quite frequently as well?[/quote]

I think that was only in his contract yr prior to Gibbs...I think. It took Gibbs to go to Riggs ranch and talk him into coming back. After that he was at practice all the time even with a hangover. ;)

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;626821]Clinton Portis/CantonLegend is always welcomed on the Redskins. As long as he stops having delusions of grandeur and stops running into his own men.[/quote]

:laughing-

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=SmootSmack;626802]CantonLegend is not Clinton Portis.[/quote]

How can we know CP didn't OchoCinco you with a dollar??

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Thanks to SmootSmack for clarifying, although we were really on a roll. Everybody was piecing together stuff...Very fun thread guys

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;626814]Clinton Portis/CantonLegend is always welcome here. But only if he stops having delusions of grandeur.[/quote]

Would it be direspectful if I just called CantonLegend Portis here on out?

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=12thMan;626817]Okay, that's fine.

[B]I've never complained about Portis missing practice, so I don't care one way or another. I just want him to show up on gameday. [/B]

You're really blowing my conspiracy theory though. I was getting starting to get some traction.[/quote]

AND THAT is the key. If a player is kicking ass on the battlefield, NOBODY gives a crap what he does off the field (mostly).....
The problem comes to bear when you stil have the habits that tend to bother people and you ARE NOT producing

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;626829]How can we know CP didn't OchoCinco you with a dollar??[/quote]

"OchoCinco" as a verb. Well done. Does it have irregular conjugations?

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;626812]I know what it feels like when the board harps on you. Canton Legend, if you are CP, I couldn't care less.

Why they ride Clinton's ass like a govt mule, I don't know? LB and him fumble, but that happens. Rock, well he never sees the ball long enough to fumble. [B]My solution, run Rock![/B]

All of the RBs are around the same age. They'll all need to be replaced soon.[/quote]


Ummm, no. Not sure what all the fascination with Betts and Rock is but although Betts does not fumble every game he does fumble and he will do it at the most in opportune time. I thank him for his services though. I will give him props that he has been running North/South and gaining yrds even if its one yrd.

Rock, Ummm, no again. I thank him also for his participation no matter how small it is, but utilizing him as a full time RB? I don't see it panning out. He runs more East/West usually. I will give him his props though also. Lately he has run more North/South and has looked good carrying the ball when Betts is blocking for him.

I heard Ganther actually looked good Sat. I didn't see him but I was told he trucked two people carrying the ball. Maybe we should keep him and can the rest in the off season and pick up another RB to be the power back.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=SBXVII;626860]Ummm, no. Not sure what all the fascination with Betts and Rock is but although Betts does not fumble every game he does fumble and he will do it at the most in opportune time. I thank him for his services though. I will give him props that he has been running North/South and gaining yrds even if its one yrd.

Rock, Ummm, no again. I thank him also for his participation no matter how small it is, but utilizing him as a full time RB? I don't see it panning out. He runs more East/West usually. I will give him his props though also. Lately he has run more North/South and has looked good carrying the ball when Betts is blocking for him.

I heard Ganther actually looked good Sat. I didn't see him but I was told he trucked two people carrying the ball. Maybe we should keep him and can the rest in the off season and pick up another RB to be the power back.[/quote]

It's not that Rock isn't piling up the stats like Betts or Portis, he's a great role player. He gives us a fresh set of legs and changes the pace. It's just a different look that defenses have to account for. No, Rock won't break it for 80 yards but he's a bit of a bruiser and that matters late in the game. Ask Denver's defensive line.

It's not who's better or who's more deserving or any of that. It's about overall production and providing some much needed balance. Whenever Portis is in the game our offense suddenly becomes vanilla and predictable. We just don't seem to be as diverse when Clinton is in the backfield. I don't care how talented you are, nowadays defenses are just too quick to the ball to overcome that.

If Betts/Rock combo can churn out a buck thirty to a buck fifty a game, I'll take that all day long.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=SBXVII;626860]Ummm, no. Not sure what all the fascination with Betts and Rock is but although Betts does not fumble every game he does fumble and he will do it at the most in opportune time. I thank him for his services though. I will give him props that he has been running North/South and gaining yrds even if its one yrd.

Rock, Ummm, no again. I thank him also for his participation no matter how small it is, but utilizing him as a full time RB? I don't see it panning out. He runs more East/West usually. I will give him his props though also. Lately he has run more North/South and has looked good carrying the ball when Betts is blocking for him.

[B]I heard Ganther actually looked good[/B] Sat. I didn't see him but I was told he trucked two people carrying the ball. Maybe we should keep him and can the rest in the off season and pick up another RB to be the power back.[/quote]

Ganther did look good. He ran with authority, blocked well, and also caught a pass. I hope that he sees more of the field. He is a very hungry player and we need more hungry players.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Zorn was on the radio today. He did talk about the Portis diva situation and Zorn admitted that the issue of Portis not practicing is frustrating.

He feels that practice makes a guy better (duhhhh!) But his radio speech made him sound increasingly like a figurehead. He has no authority now that the playcalling is gone from him, and he alluded to the fact that he doesnt make roster decisions either as who to start or what not....i get the hint, especially after hearing the other skins' coaches, that Zorn prefers Betts to start, but has no choice in the matter....

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;626883]Zorn was on the radio today. He did talk about the Portis diva situation and Zorn admitted that the issue of Portis not practicing is frustrating.

He feels that practice makes a guy better (duhhhh!) But his radio speech made him sound increasingly like a figurehead. He has no authority now that the playcalling is gone from him, and he alluded to the fact that he doesnt make roster decisions either as who to start or what not....i get the hint, especially after hearing the other skins' coaches, that Zorn prefers Betts to start, but has no choice in the matter....[/quote]

Well, wait a minute. Roster decisions and who starts are two different things. Who is in the starting lineup is still Zorn's decision I would imagine. If he's not making those decisions then who is?

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Somewhere else on this board, somebody posted the article that said where the redskins other coaches preferred betts to start.

And to answer your question about who is making the decisions? Who do you think????

My guess is Snyderato

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;626890]Somewhere else on this board, somebody posted the article that said where the redskins other coaches preferred betts to start.

And to answer your question about who is making the decisions? Who do you think????

My guess is Snyderato[/quote]

Naw man, they can't be involved in those decisions. Who's starting and who's not? No way. Only a coach can make that call.

Did Zorn say he's not making lineup decisions? I wouldn't believe that unless he said it verbatim.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

dang, jimmy z doesnt even make roster decisions anymore? i remember him benching portis drew alot of criticism from portis . . .

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

I dont know guys i just get the feeling that the players run the team. I'm sure Zorn feels that way too.

I mean Campbell was benched for 1 half, but i bet Snyder or someone told him "you had better go with Jason in the next game or it's your job".

Portis is too tight with Snyder to be benched....and that's an accountability issue. Players shouldn't be that close with owners/coaches....it just skews the authority/accountability issue.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Rock is tight with Snyder as well, but you don't see him vaulting CP and Betts to be the starting RB.

Anyhow, Zorn has final say on who's starting. He didn't say anything on his show today to indicate otherwise

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Lotus;626693]He's arguing that based on past stats. He hasn't seen the games this year.[/quote]

i told you id be back.....after practice ehem work

im arguing based on his career......his career is currently in the present but im using his past stats because he has been injured this season

he isnt a giant baby and he plays through injuries unlike a lot of players in the league.....he carries the load by himself even tho he is injured.....im using his stats last season because he wasnt injured.....because he was healthy for the majority of the season and you saw what he could do

this year he is getting 6 less carries per game than he got last year and at an average of 4 yards per carry, thats 24 more yards your team is missing on the ground

its easier to look at a complete season and tell how someone has bounced back after an injury than look at their current injured season to see how they have played.......portis is injured now, hes been injured before and he bounced back very well

1262 yards well

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;626785]I checked his post history. He joined in April 2009 after being "invited" by a member of this site, but that person doesn't post here anymore....hmmmm[/quote]

i cant remember who the poster was.....it was saved in my private messages but when the site crashed i lost all of that stuff.....i dont know if they still post here but i would venture to say they dont because nobody has stepped up and admitted visiting the saints page

[quote]Next, in his about me section, there is a link to the N.O. Saints Message board and Team Shop....very strange.[/quote]

blackandgold.com......im not afraid to talk about my home forum.....its "where i came from" so to speak

i speak very highly of this site over there and i will do the same over here about that site.......both sites are very similar.....lower activity level, small number of posters and everyone is somewhat close with everyone else.....lots of friendships created over the internet

[quote]Lastly, almost all of the threads he's posted in has him making a statement about how blacks are surperior athletes and generally better...also white people are "just slower".[/quote]

saying a black person is faster is just as racist as using the term "black" which you all have done.....it isnt anymore racist because its true.....if you can prove me wrong then im more than willing to admit it....because it is controversial.....but so far i havent seen anything to argue the other way

[quote]Humorously he was arguing with another poster early in the year about whether to start himself (Portis) in his fantasy league...and also that he needed "insider" information about Portis' injury status lol[/quote]

i dont remember talking about starting portis in fantasy.....i remember saying something about getting some insider info from you redskins fans if anything happens to portis

i need some help at RB on my fantasy team and i picked up betts just in case.....it paid off

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;626930]i told you id be back.....after practice ehem work

im arguing based on his career......his career is currently in the present but im using his past stats because he has been injured this season

he isnt a giant baby and he plays through injuries unlike a lot of players in the league.....he carries the load by himself even tho he is injured.....im using his stats last season because he wasnt injured.....because he was healthy for the majority of the season and you saw what he could do

this year he is getting 6 less carries per game than he got last year and at an average of 4 yards per carry, thats 24 more yards your team is missing on the ground

its easier to look at a complete season and tell how someone has bounced back after an injury than look at their current injured season to see how they have played.......portis is injured now, hes been injured before and he bounced back very well

1262 yards well[/quote]

Portis is showing the typical decline that RBs have when they hit the 30 year old mark (Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Fred Taylor, LT, Edge James, etc., etc.). I think Curtis Martin was probably one of the few if not the only RB in recent history to have a career season after the age of 30. I don't understand why you insist on ignoring the fact that Portis has a lot of mileage on him given the running philosophy of this team. And speaking of running philosophies, this teams need to adopt and two or three-RB system, otherwise the next young RB that we have will be done before they reach 30 (like Portis).

Portis in a sense is a big baby when it comes to leadership...he has none and sadly he's the face of the franchise. While he is no T.O., or pre-Pats Randy Moss, Portis is a disturbance in the locker room. He has a direct line to the ownership, and that has allowed him to undermine the authority of both Joe Gibbs and Jim Zorn. He called out Mike Sellers and threw him under the bus, while he had less rushing TDs than our punter. And ever since he injured his shoulder in the preseason a few years ago, he is probably the only player that doesn't practice.

So you either have a fanatical infatuation with Clinton Portis or you just want to come here to F with people. While no one is denying his successes here in Washington, right now in this season he is not earning his paycheck and can be added to the number of things that is wrong with the team.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=12thMan;626789]Exactly, why the f*ck would a Saints fan come here being so vehement about Portis being a top five back? Why not say, he's done and broken down. Or yeah, he had some good years in D.C., but you guys are being kind of hard on him. That's a case you make for yourself.[/quote]

fwiw....i brought it on myself.....when you argue against the grain you gotta be prepared to take the heat.....i do it a lot on my own forum and i get flamed for it.....however, more often than not i can persuade at least one person to realize that sometimes the majority isnt right

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=12thMan;626730]We should all go to the Saints forum and ask why isn't Reggie Bush getting more carries.[/quote]

feel free........blackandgold.com

or i could just tell you that his fumbles are costing the team points, field position, and momentum

he is very talented but his fumbles are very costly......bush has an issue with running up the hole....he tends to try and hit homeruns on every touch rather than just take what he can get.....because of it, he strikes out a lot by getting negative yardage and fumbles

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=12thMan;626738]And what's up with the name CantonLegend? Is there one Saint in the Hall of Fame? Legend, when you're done practicing today can you tell us what inspired your screen name? LOL[/quote]

the saints have 5 or 6 guys in the hall of fame......they should be getting another couple in the next couple years when rickey jackson and maybe sam mills get inducted


one of my brothers old football coaches played for a semi pro football team in canton ohio

their name?

Canton Legends
[img]http://www.logoserver.com/football/Canton_Legends_Logo.gif[/img]

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;626930]i told you id be back.....after practice ehem work

im arguing based on his career......his career is currently in the present but im using his past stats because he has been injured this season

he isnt a giant baby and he plays through injuries unlike a lot of players in the league.....he carries the load by himself even tho he is injured.....im using his stats last season because he wasnt injured.....because he was healthy for the majority of the season and you saw what he could do

this year he is getting 6 less carries per game than he got last year and at an average of 4 yards per carry, thats 24 more yards your team is missing on the ground

its easier to look at a complete season and tell how someone has bounced back after an injury than look at their current injured season to see how they have played.......portis is injured now, hes been injured before and he bounced back very well

1262 yards well[/quote]

Arguing from Portis's past logically ignores the notion that Portis just has too much wear and tear in 2009, regardless of anything that has happened in the past.

Also, you continue to avoid the criticism that you have not seen Portis play this year.

So be specific: cite specific plays from 2009 which show that Portis has still "got it." Be specific.

Others here are citing specific plays from 2009 in support of their arguments. If you cannot do the same then you are simply talking out of your ass.

So let's hear the specifics from 2009.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Ruhskins;626937]Portis is showing the typical decline that RBs have when they hit the 30 year old mark (Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Fred Taylor, LT, Edge James, etc., etc.). [/quote]

shaun alexander lost his linemen and his fullback......same with LT.....edge went to arizona.....a prodominantly passing team.......fred taylor dropped because maurice jones drew started taking his carries

tiki barber? retired at 30 after rushing for over 1600 yards in his last season and over 1800 in the season before that

[quote]I don't understand why you insist on ignoring the fact that Portis has a lot of mileage on him given the running philosophy of this team. And speaking of running philosophies, this teams need to adopt and two or three-RB system, otherwise the next young RB that we have will be done before they reach 30 (like Portis). [/quote]

im not ignoring that at all....in fact i have said a few times that he could and should carry your team because thats what he has done in the past

i love the idea of having a running back come off the bench to spell the starter......however, you tried that earlier this season and betts couldnt handle the small workload

[quote]Portis in a sense is a big baby when it comes to leadership[/quote]

not everybody in the league has the leadership trait.....thats why good leaders get so much credit and attention.....like ray lewis.....portis doesnt practice because hes hurt, because he doesnt want to get hurt again, and because he doesnt need to.....hes 27 years old and knows the offense well

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Lotus;626943]Arguing from Portis's past logically ignores the notion that Portis just has too much wear and tear in 2009, regardless of anything that has happened in the past.

Also, you continue to avoid the criticism that you have not seen Portis play this year.

So be specific: cite specific plays from 2009 which show that Portis has still "got it." Be specific.

Others here are citing specific plays from 2009 in support of their arguments. If you cannot do the same then you are simply talking out of your ass.

So let's hear the specifics from 2009.[/quote]

oh there was this one run earlier in the season that you probably didnt see but he got some yardage on it

i dont know what you want me to say? i cant cite specific instances when i dont give 2 shits about the redskins...i have watched the redskins play this season and ive already said that

what i can say is that portis broke of a 35 yarder against the giants in the first game of the season and a 78 yarder against the chiefs a few weeks back......long runs dont come along all the time so im not exactly sure what you want me to say

in fact.....a 78 yarder is the longest of his career i think which pretty much proves, hes still got it

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Damn, CL why you had to go debunking my theory. Everything lined up so nicely too. Especially the little interview I dug up about Portis liking the Saints.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;626946]shaun alexander lost his linemen and his fullback......same with LT.....edge went to arizona.....a prodominantly passing team.......fred taylor dropped because maurice jones drew started taking his carries

tiki barber? retired at 30 after rushing for over 1600 yards in his last season and over 1800 in the season before that



im not ignoring that at all....in fact i have said a few times that he could and should carry your team because thats what he has done in the past

i love the idea of having a running back come off the bench to spell the starter......however, you tried that earlier this season and [B]betts couldnt handle the small workload[/B]



not everybody in the league has the leadership trait.....thats why good leaders get so much credit and attention.....like ray lewis.....portis doesnt practice because hes hurt, because he doesnt want to get hurt again, and because he doesnt need to.....hes 27 years old and knows the offense well[/quote]

What? You are obviously not watching the games.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;626948]oh there was this one run earlier in the season that you probably didnt see but he got some yardage on it

i dont know what you want me to say? i cant cite specific instances when i dont give 2 shits about the redskins...i have watched the redskins play this season and ive already said that

what i can say is that portis broke of a 35 yarder against the giants in the first game of the season and a 78 yarder against the chiefs a few weeks back......long runs dont come along all the time so im not exactly sure what you want me to say

in fact.....a 78 yarder is the longest of his career i think which pretty much proves, hes still got it[/quote]

So you have no specifics, do you? Saying "oh there was this one run earlier in the season that you probably didnt see but he got some yardage on it" is in no way specific. You have not seen the Redskins play! You have not seen Portis play this year! Yet you argue with those of us who have seen every Portis carry this year?

I live in the Saints tv area, so I am utterly certain that, on most days this year, the Redskins and Saints have played at the same time. This means that if you watched the Saints, you did not see the Redskins.

[B]So let's recap: you have not watched Portis play but you still feel justified in telling people who have watched every play that they are wrong.[/B]

What a loser.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Lotus;626955]What? You are obviously not watching the games.[/quote]

lol betts was getting a couple carries every game and was sometimes ending up with negative yardage......he was supposed to be a big part of this team coming into the season according the many "experts"

he was supposed to spell portis because portis was getting older and everyone thought the team would figure out its better to have 2 fresh backs but with the limited workload that betts got, he sure as hell didnt earn anymore carries

until portis got hurt, betts had 21 rushing yards on 11 carries

he was much better in the passing game but still failed to score after 7 weeks

for whatever reason, betts wasnt implemented a lot and i believe its because he wasnt showing enough to merit more touches

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Lotus;626958]So you have no specifics, do you? Saying "oh there was this one run earlier in the season that you probably didnt see but he got some yardage on it" is in no way specific. You have not seen the Redskins play! You have not seen Portis play this year! Yet you argue with those of us who have seen every Portis carry this year?

I live in the Saints tv area, so I am utterly certain that, on most days this year, the Redskins and Saints have played at the same time. This means that if you watched the Saints, you did not see the Redskins.

[B]So let's recap: you have not watched Portis play but you still feel justified in telling people who have watched every play that they are wrong.[/B]

What a loser.[/quote]

so really...you havent gotten to see many redskins games?

i dont live in saints TV area.....i do get to see the redskins because the browns cant manage to sell out their games and the redskins games have been against teams that do manage to sell out their games

like new york, atlanta and carolina

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;626963]so really...you havent gotten to see many redskins games?

i dont live in saints TV area.....i do get to see the redskins because the browns cant manage to sell out their games and the redskins games have been against teams that do manage to sell out their games

like new york, atlanta and carolina[/quote]

I have watched every Redskins play this season. If the game is not on tv, I watch the game live on the internet.

So let's be specific: tell me about Portis' play at the goal line against the Rams. What happened, and why?

If you've seen the games, you can answer that question.

I'm waiting...

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Lotus;626964]I have watched every Redskins play this season. If the game is not on tv, I watch the game live on the internet.

So let's be specific: tell me about Portis' play at the goal line against the Rams. What happened, and why?

If you've seen the games, you can answer that question.

I'm waiting...[/quote]

lmao how the hell would i know

what happened on the very first play of the game? what happened on the very first play of the 3rd qtr in the 3rd game of the season?

i didnt watch the rams game......i have no idea what happened and i really dont care

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;626966]lmao how the hell would i know

what happened on the very first play of the game? what happened on the very first play of the 3rd qtr in the 3rd game of the season?

i didnt watch the rams game......i have no idea what happened and i really dont care[/quote]

Fine. Then I am left to repeat:

You really have not seen Portis play this year! Yet you argue with those of us who have seen every Portis carry this year?

[B]You have not watched Portis play but you still feel justified in telling people who have watched every play that they are wrong.

What a loser.[/B]

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Lotus;626968]Fine. Then I am left to repeat:

You really have not seen Portis play this year! Yet you argue with those of us who have seen every Portis carry this year?

[B]You have not watched Portis play but you still feel justified in telling people who have watched every play that they are wrong.

What a loser.[/B][/quote]

lol......ur silly

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[img]http://edshunnybunny.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/100posts.jpg[/img]

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;626966]lmao how the hell would i know

what happened on the very first play of the game? what happened on the very first play of the 3rd qtr in the 3rd game of the season?

[B]i didnt watch the rams game......i have no idea what happened and i really dont care[/B][/quote]

Can we ban this guy? :doh:

Even the Cowboys or Giant fans on this board make more sense.