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[quote=JoeRedskin;699008]Neither of these two articles show [I]any[/I] proof that the market was saturated preboom. Neither show any indication that, pre-boom, banks were funding builders w/ no demand.

From the Florida article:
"This is quite a turnaround for Schulmeyer's group, which had retreated to building just over 100 homes in only four communities in 2009, down from 900 houses in 20 locales during the peak mid-decade."

From the New York article:
"Furman Center researchers found that the city gained 170,000 new housing units from 2000 to 2008."

Wow - they built too many houses [I]and then[/I] the market crashed. The explosion in price occurred at the same time as your articles show the building boom. NOT BEFORE. Where's the proof that the housing boom existed [I]before[/I] prices exploded?

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_United_States_housing_bubble#2001_-_2006]Timeline of the United States housing bubble - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Median_and_Average_Sales_Prices_of_New_Homes_Sold_in_United_States_1963-2008_annual.png]File:Median and Average Sales Prices of New Homes Sold in United States 1963-2008 annual.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

Further, neither of your articles mention anything about the so-called easy money available to builders PRE-BOOM and which, according to you, was the ultimate cause of the housing crash.

Don't worry, I won't tax your limited comprehension skills by requesting you prove your hyperbole. Feel free to cling to your comfortable, simple misconceptions.[/quote]

Thank you very much

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[quote=GMScud;699091]Oh man. That's scary. US school teachers sending kids home for wearing the American Flag on a T-shirt? Fail, fail, fail.

I've heard that no Mexicans outside the town of Puebla even celebrate Cinco De Mayo. Apparently the "holiday" celebrates when that particular town fought off the French in 1862. Mexico was ultimately unable to stop the European "intervention."[/quote]

So what's your point?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;699027]I think good ole jtf reads the headline and fills in the story to meet his agenda/world view, facts aren't really necessary for the rest of the details.[/quote]

Oh really, you've been marginalized.

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[quote=GMScud;699091]Oh man. That's scary. US school teachers sending kids home for wearing the American Flag on a T-shirt? Fail, fail, fail.

I've heard that no Mexicans outside the town of Puebla even celebrate Cinco De Mayo. Apparently the "holiday" celebrates when that particular town fought off the French in 1862. Mexico was ultimately unable to stop the European "intervention."[/quote]


I think Corona made it up to sell more beer.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;699187]Thank you very much[/quote]

Oh you're very welcome. Idiocy such as yours is truly entertaining to watch. Enjoy ignorance. It suits you well.

Have a wonderfully simplistic day! Just remember, you're the [I]only[/I] one who [I]really[/I] knows anything!!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;699206]Oh you're very welcome. Idiocy such as yours is truly entertaining to watch. Enjoy ignorance. It suits you well.

Have a wonderfully simplistic day! Just remember, you're the [I]only[/I] one who [I]really[/I] knows anything!![/quote]

Insulting posts on message board. Truly rich.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;699211]Insulting posts on message board. Truly rich.[/quote]

I'm terribly sorry if you found it insulting. I meant it with all kindness. Since your posts are [I]never[/I] insulting to anyone and are [I]always[/I] so respectful to other points of view, I did not think you would impute any insulting intent into my remark. Clearly, I erred and I apologize for your failure to comprehend my intent.

Actually, I look forward to your posts and your take on the world. Your statements and point of view are [I]incredibly[/I] entertaining to any one who has a working knowledge of history, finance and/or current events. I am constantly amazed and incredibly amused at how deeply you hold convictions so divorced from reality. Kudos to you!!

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was that a nice way to call him a dumbass?

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No. Not at all. His posts truly do bring me incredilble joy and raise my self esteem. His comments, point of view and knowlege base reaffirm and strengthen my self-confidence. Truly, he is a blessing.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;699274]No. Not at all. His posts truly do bring me incredilble joy and raise my self esteem. His comments, point of view and knowlege base reaffirm and strengthen my self-confidence. Truly, he is a blessing.[/quote]

Wow, Joe Redskins claiming victory. Another mission accomplished moment.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;699188]So what's your point?[/quote]

My point is that Americans seem to care more about this "holiday" (an excuse to drink coronas and margaritas) than Mexicans do. Also, I don't care what day of the year it is, if an American in the USA wants to wear a tshirt of the American flag, he/she should be allowed to do so. Period.

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[quote=GMScud;699091]Oh man. That's scary. US school teachers sending kids home for wearing the American Flag on a T-shirt? Fail, fail, fail.

I've heard that no Mexicans outside the town of Puebla even celebrate Cinco De Mayo. Apparently the "holiday" celebrates when that particular town fought off the French in 1862. Mexico was ultimately unable to stop the European "intervention."[/quote]

Yeah california is weird. Years back all the hispanic school going kids did a sit out on cesar chavez day to protest against the immigration laws. As you can guess, it turned into an "anybody who opposses open immigration is a racist" stuff.

If you had an american flag and not a mexican flag, you were a racist.

I dont get it, hold a rally in america trying to bring spotlight to the immigration issue but instead of including the american flag in america they were waiving their mexican flag.

The border is 15 miles down the road, if you cant bring yourself to waive an american flag, dont waive your mexican flag in my face expecting me to respect it. In CA and im sure AZ, alot of immigrants feel like they are entitled to more than we the average citizen receive. Really it is the younger generation of hispanics in that part of our country that have unrealistic yet unwavering demands.

My judge used to say that immigrants must embrace and become a working beneficial part of society and not try and form their own little communities exclusive to immigrants while shunning the outside world.

In san diego, there a neighborhoods were stores have signs on the front saying "Yes, we speak american". lol

all this is just my opinion based on my experiences. other people could have the exact same experiences and walk away with a different impression. ive been down to mexico a ton of times, great place if your in the right places.

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[quote=GMScud;699336]My point is that Americans seem to care more about this "holiday" (an excuse to drink coronas and margaritas) than Mexicans do. Also, I don't care what day of the year it is, if an American in the USA wants to wear a tshirt of the American flag, he/she should be allowed to do so. Period.[/quote]

apparently the school district and I agree with you. i wonder what nationality/race the principal is or whoever made the decision to threaten suspension if they didnt remove their american shirts and bandanaa.

and this goes to my post above regarding the younger generation of hispanics in CA (and I assume AZ). literally, if you were (for my homie FD)an american shirt on any of their holidays, they view that as dissent from their demands and take it as a provocation to violence or hatred or intolerance.

just not a good way to try and peacefully assimilate both our cultures if any given mexican holiday only mexican flags can be waived or worn in the US. these teenage hispanic kids are going malcolm x when they should be going MLK.

when you hold a cesar chavez or cinco de mayo festival in america, maybe include both national flags and not demand only the mexican flag gets represented.

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I feel like they should be able to wear the Amercian flag, but not the confederate flag (seeing as they wer fighting against america).

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nothing wrong with southern pride imo. now i wouldnt want a state or city repping it on their gov't flag but as a bumper sicker or truck decal? whatever.

but that confederate flag does stir up fright, anger and bad thoughts among black people. my girl when she sees one on a truck or something, well lets just say she starts muttering some not so nice words.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;699322]Wow, Joe Redskins claiming victory. Another mission accomplished moment.[/quote]

You misunderstand jtf, you win. You always win - that's the beauty of your posts. Divorced from any need for logic or the need to hold yourself to the same standard you impose upon others, you are able to claim or imply victory in everything you post. Brilliant!!

Your response is another perfect example of your death defying ability to impose a meaning onto a statement that is contrary to the actual words of the statement being analyzed - somehow, my statement that I enjoy your posts is a "claim of victory". I mean, all sarcasm aside, that is just a stunning leap! Bravo! Lesser men would question themselves for such a jump in logic but not you!!

But wait, your real genius is still to come!!: "Another mission accomplished moment". As someone who works with and struggles over the use of words, I truly do appreciate the subtlety and nuance of the use of those four words in your response. F'ing poetry! I mean that. I mean, after taking a leap unsupported by the original text's actual content, you support your own point with a generic "Trump Card" phrase. In doing so, you sweep my thoughts, analysis and rational away, pigeonhole my belief system, [I]and[/I] imply that your point is proven - (and here's stunning, amazing, truly truly poetic part) - ALL WITHOUT ANY NEED FOR LOGIC OR RATIONAL THOUGHT ON YOUR PART!!!!

Truly, you are the superior being!

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;699353]I feel like they should be able to wear the Amercian flag, but not the confederate flag (seeing as they wer fighting against america).[/quote]

you know, now that i think about it, the US flag incident on cinco de mayo is an intersting parallel to what happended down in SC when students wore confederate flag tshirts when that whole brew haha pooped up over removing the confederate part of their flag.

what happened? did the students have to remove their confederate tshirts? i forget.

i also can see teh hispanics students side with regards to teh US shirts and bandanas. my gut tells me the guys who wore a us flag bandanas probably only wore those on that day with the purpose of quietly stating they dont agree with open immigration which may (lets face it were talkign about HS kids) provoke some words which could lead to voilence.

with that said, im sure the hispanic portion of the school wasnt just celebrating cinco de mayo but using it as a platform to demand open immigration, which is what they seemingly do with any mexican holiday.

maybe just celebrate the holiday and leave the immigration stuff for another day. if you want to include immigration into your holidays, dont get all butt hurt when people with opposing views quietly and peacefully dissent.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;699353]I feel like they should be able to wear the Amercian flag, but not the confederate flag (seeing as they wer fighting against america).[/quote]

Freedom of speech where is the AHOL (forgot the letters). They tend to come out when its anything againts the flag but never for. I think I will have the American Flag for the name of my boat.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;699353]I feel like they should be able to wear the Amercian flag, but not the confederate flag (seeing as they wer fighting against america).[/quote]

Ahh, so you support the government's restriction of free speech when the speech being restricted is supportive of those who have opposed or fought against "america".

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[quote=JoeRedskin;699358]You misunderstand jtf, you win. You always win - that's the beauty of your posts. Divorced from any need for logic or the need to hold yourself to the same standard you impose upon others, you are able to claim or imply victory in everything you post. Brilliant!!

Your response is another perfect example of your death defying ability to impose a meaning onto a statement that is contrary to the actual words of the statement being analyzed - somehow, my statement that I enjoy your posts is a "claim of victory". I mean, all sarcasm aside, that is just a stunning leap! Bravo! Lesser men would question themselves for such a jump in logic but not you!!

But wait, your real genius is still to come!!: "Another mission accomplished moment". As someone who works with and struggles over the use of words, I truly do appreciate the subtlety and nuance of the use of those four words in your response. F'ing poetry! I mean that. I mean, after taking a leap unsupported by the original text's actual content, you support your own point with a generic "Trump Card" phrase. In doing so, you sweep my thoughts, analysis and rational away, pigeonhole my belief system, [I]and[/I] imply that your point is proven - (and here's stunning, amazing, truly truly poetic part) - ALL WITHOUT ANY NEED FOR LOGIC OR RATIONAL THOUGHT ON YOUR PART!!!!

Truly, you are the superior being![/quote]

WOW! Never have I seen someone's panties so bunched on a internet blog like this! Great job JTF that is some real talent.

JoeRedskin step back from the computer take a deep breath, heck go outside and enjoy the day. Your ass has been hand to you.

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Okay let me get this straight. We have a problem with Cinco De Mayo to me it's just like St. Patrick's Day. Who cares let's celebrate. Wave your flag show your pride. Let them have their day.

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[quote=mredskins;699365]WOW! Never have I seen someone's panties so bunched on a internet blog like this! Great job JTF that is some real talent.

JoeRedskin step back from the computer take a deep breath, heck go outside and enjoy the day. [B]Your ass has been hand to you.[/B][/quote]

:confused:
amazing how perceptions vary. clearly JoeRedskin was being highly sarcastic, yet you see it as him getting smacked. Like I said, it just leaves me :confused:

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;699377]Okay let me get this straight. We have a problem with Cinco De Mayo to me it's just like St. Patrick's Day. Who cares let's celebrate. Wave your flag show your pride. Let them have their day.[/quote]

you ought to do soundbites. This is a good short statement.

I think your problem, and you do have a problem, is when you start lengthening your posts. You start throwing in more and more junk statements as an internet troll would do. (a quick example was bringing the southern flag into this when it had no relevance, and was simply a dig for the sake of it)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;699378]:confused:
amazing how perceptions vary. clearly JoeRedskin was being highly sarcastic, yet you see it as him getting smacked. Like I said, it just leaves me :confused:[/quote]


I could care less about the issues they are talking about but JFT is throwing out like one sentence post and Joe is clearly panity bunched. I think it is hilarious.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;699381]. (a quick example was bringing the southern flag into this when it had no relevance, and was simply a dig for the sake of it)[/quote]

the personal pissing match aside, i thought the comparison to the students wearing confederate flag tshirts was a good comparative analysis and discussion point with regards to the students wearing US flag tshirts on cinco de mayo.

fuck, i thought i wrote some pretty good stuff back there. oh well.

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[quote=mredskins;699365]WOW! Never have I seen someone's panties so bunched on a internet blog like this! Great job JTF that is some real talent.

JoeRedskin step back from the computer take a deep breath, heck go outside and enjoy the day. Your ass has been hand to you.[/quote]

Oh I agree. JTF is completely owning me. Absolutely. At every turn. I bask in his brilliance. I meant it when I said that his last post was poetry. There was true nuance and imagery in that one!

But as with JTF, you misinterpret the meaning of my responses. I really am trying to communicate the pure joy I get in reading his posts. Really. I mean it when I say they make me laugh my ass off. I encourage he and you to continue posting. Please.

I don't need sunshine - jtf brings me joy every time he logs on.

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[quote=over the mountain;699385]the personal pissing match aside, i thought the comparison to the students wearing confederate flag tshirts was a good comparative analysis and discussion point with regards to the students wearing US flag tshirts on cinco de mayo.

fuck, i thought i wrote some pretty good stuff back there. oh well.[/quote]

ok. Same as with mredskins, perceptions are amazing, and the words impact everyone differently. I just felt he was throwing out something for the sake of getting under someone's skin, but I see your point.

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[quote=mredskins;699383]I could care less about the issues they are talking about but JFT is throwing out like one sentence post and [B]Joe is clearly panity bunched[/B]. I think it is hilarious.[/quote]

Ahh, as with jtf, you simply don't understand me. Nothing, really [I]nothing[/I], jtf says could cause me to get my "panity bunched". His historic lack of any depth of knowledge makes everything he says so innately laughable that I look forward to his amazing, death-defying, stupifying leaps in logic, history and rationale that he makes. It's like watching clown car wreck at the circus. Why would I want him to stop??? My responses may be lengthy, but that is 1) just the way I am; 2) simply an attempt to truly relate the joy I get from jtf's posts and why.

I am laughing as I type this. AND, when you respond, I will laugh again! As we seem to be continually amusing each other, this is turning out to be a damn good day.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;699397]Ahh, as with jtf, you simply don't understand me. Nothing, really [I]nothing[/I], jtf says could cause me to get my "panity bunched". His historic lack of any depth of knowledge makes everything he says so innately laughable that I look forward to his amazing, death-defying, stupifying leaps in logic, history and rationale that he makes. It's like watching clown car wreck at the circus. Why would I want him to stop??? My responses may be lengthy, but that is 1) just the way I am; 2) simply an attempt to truly relate the joy I get from jtf's posts and why.

I am laughing as I type this. AND, when you respond, I will laugh again! As we seem to be continually amusing each other, this is turning out to be a damn good day.[/quote]
mredskins, also don't forget, where jtf needs to do soundbites, JoeRedskins tends toward long winded dialogues, so his panties aren't in a bunch until he takes up 3 pages single spaced ;)

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[quote=over the mountain;699385]the personal pissing match aside, i thought the comparison to the students wearing confederate flag tshirts was a good comparative analysis and discussion point with regards to the students wearing US flag tshirts on cinco de mayo.

fuck, i[B] thought i wrote some pretty good stuff back there. oh well[/B].[/quote]

You did. It just got lost in other's (including my own) dross. Very simply, my basic gut reaction is that the way to combat incideniary political speech is not to repress it but to bring it out, expose it, discuss it, and, as Milton would say, allow the calumny to be exposed for what it is. If wearing American, Mexican or Confederate flags is somehow or someway offensive to someone, don't prohibit people from expressing these offensive thoughts - use speech of your own to demonstrate why it is offensive or, better yet, engage the person making the statement.

The way to defeat "bad" speech is use "good" speech.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;699405]You did. It just got lost in other's (including my own) dross. Very simply, my basic gut reaction is that the way to combat incideniary political speech is not to repress it but to bring it out, expose it, discuss it, and, as Milton would say, allow the calumny to be exposed for what it is. If wearing American, Mexican or Confederate flags is somehow or someway offensive to someone, don't prohibit people from expressing these offensive thoughts - use speech of your own to demonstrate why it is offensive or, better yet, engage the person making the statement.

The way to defeat "bad" speech is use "good" speech.[/quote]

You are right I don't understand you. I actually learn something from Slinging Sammy and his free market religion. But personally I can't find anything more fake than a t-shirt activist.

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I say to make the liberals happy change the law saying the cops can only ask guys and fat chicks to prove they are citizens. The hot mexican chicks get the fast path to citzen ship.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;699421]You are right I don't understand you. I actually learn something from Slinging Sammy and his free market religion.[B] But personally I can't find anything more fake than a t-shirt activist.[/B][/quote]

And, therefore, and as you indicated before, you support the governmental restriction of individual free speech when it supports a group or organization that has opposed "america" (like the confederates).

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[quote=JoeRedskin;699423]And, therefore, and as you indicated before, you support the governmental restriction of individual free speech when it supports a group or organization that has opposed "america" (like the confederates).[/quote]

I said personally. I don't think my personal feelings should always be the law.

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[quote=firstdown;699422]I say to make the liberals happy change the law saying the cops can only ask guys and fat chicks to prove they are citizens. The hot mexican chicks get the fast path to citzen ship.[/quote]
Extreme Fast Path To Citizenship!
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[quote=CRedskinsRule;699427]Extreme Fast Path To Citizenship!
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[quote=joethiesmanfan;699425]I said personally. I don't think my personal feelings should always be the law.[/quote]

Ahhh, so you meant to say "I don't like that they wear them" and not

[quote=joethiesmanfan;699353]I feel like they [I]should be able [/I]to wear the Amercian flag, [I]but not [/I]the confederate flag (seeing as they wer fighting against america).[/quote]

Sorry, couldn't tell if you were being internally inconsistent or just blatantly misusing the english language. All good. Thanks for the clarification.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;699432]Ahhh, so you meant to say "I don't like that they wear them" and not



Sorry, couldn't tell if you were being internally inconsistent or just blatantly misusing the english language. All good. Thanks for the clarification.[/quote]

Look they were clearly attempting to wear the t-shirts to provoke a violent reaction, but if they want to get beat up so be it. Nothing was gonna be done to the Mexicans who cold cocked them anyway. Fist fights are simple assaults. Then you would be on here crying about using police to protect a damn t-shirt.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;699444]Look they were clearly attempting to wear the t-shirts to provoke a violent reaction, but if they want to get beat up so be it. Nothing was gonna be done to the Mexicans who cold cocked them anyway. Fist fights are simple assaults. [B]Then you would be on here crying about using police to protect a damn t-shirt[/B].[/quote]

I would? Really? That's what you gathered from my "the way to beat "bad speech" is by using "good speech" comment? Interesting.

So, in order to ensure public safety, we must all make no statements with our clothing that may offend others? Please describe the mandated uniform for me so I may run out and purchase it - is a black or brown shirt? Sieg Heil!

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;699444]Look they were clearly attempting to wear the t-shirts to provoke a violent reaction, but if they want to get beat up so be it. Nothing was gonna be done to the Mexicans who cold cocked them anyway. Fist fights are simple assaults. Then you would be on here crying about using police to protect a damn t-shirt.[/quote]Caution.....slippery slope ahead.