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[url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=M3_yrQJhDVI]YouTube - Oil Spill in Alaska 2010 & 1979 Rachel Maddow[/url]

Comparing thespill stopping technicques of 1979 to 2010 same attemtps same technology. Top hat was called Sombrero in 79. Check it out. Rachel Maddow and Cavuto are my two favorite talking heads.

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[quote=firstdown;703636]Thats right. I just said we could have brought in some more people who might be able to offer more ideas on how to stop the leak. The good news is I had to use the words "could have". Hell I bet Obama shows up tommorrow acting like he helped shut down the leak. Its nice he could even take the time to stop on his way to his vacation.[/quote]

So the White House was just sitting by idly and didn't offer ANY ideas? They didn't send anyone to the gulf region? No input from the president --- at all? You sure you got your facts straight on this?

And you know this is Obama's second visit to the area since the incident happened, right? I dunno, should the White House just relocate to the gulf and set up a 24/7 operation?

You still haven't said, exactly, what you want the president to do?

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[quote=12thMan;703657]So the White House was just sitting by idly and didn't offer ANY ideas? They didn't send anyone to the gulf region? No input from the president --- at all? You sure you got your facts straight on this?

And you know this is Obama's second visit to the area since the incident happened, right? I dunno, should the White House just relocate to the gulf and set up a 24/7 operation?

You still haven't said, exactly, what you want the president to do?[/quote]

He wants the president to come under the same type of liberal biased media bashing Bush came under for Katrina. He wants Kanye West to say Obama doesn't like the environment. Look, no Americans dying in waste deep water. My cousin sat in a rig for 4 days waiting to bring water to the N.O.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;703652][url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=M3_yrQJhDVI]YouTube - Oil Spill in Alaska 2010 & 1979 Rachel Maddow[/url]

Comparing thespill stopping technicques of 1979 to 2010 same attemtps same technology. Top hat was called Sombrero in 79. Check it out. Rachel Maddow and Cavuto are my two favorite talking heads.[/quote]

I did alot of research on this as well, and what was shocking is that the technology is still essentially the same, save for different terminology. The Top Hat or Dome, humorously being called Sombrero in 1979...

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;703652][URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=M3_yrQJhDVI"]YouTube - Oil Spill in Alaska 2010 & 1979 Rachel Maddow[/URL]

Comparing thespill stopping technicques of 1979 to 2010 same attemtps same technology. Top hat was called Sombrero in 79. Check it out. Rachel Maddow and Cavuto are my two favorite talking heads.[/quote]

That was a very good piece from her that was on last night. Other then that she is a twitt. She never has anyone on her show with a different point of view only people who agree with her. That makes really great TV viewing.

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[quote=firstdown;703724]That was a very good piece from her that was on last night. Other then that she is a twitt. She never has anyone on her show with a different point of view only people who agree with her. That makes really great TV viewing.[/quote]

She has geek week going on. Does Bill O'Reilly have geek week on?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;703726]She has geek week going on. Does Bill O'Reilly have geek week on?[/quote]
Whats Geek Week?

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[quote=firstdown;703724]That was a very good piece from her that was on last night. Other then that she is a twitt. She never has anyone on her show with a different point of view only people who agree with her. That makes really great TV viewing.[/quote]

She's had Rand Paul on twice. First time he announced his candidacy on her show, second time, well, we know what happened the second time. She's invited Liz Cheney, Karl Rove, Sarah Palin, and numerous other Republicans repeatedly. All have declined.

I've seen her interview one of the top RNC communications guys at least twice. Can't pull his name off the top of my head. Tim Phillips, President of Americans For Prosperity, a group that works with [I]Freedom Works[/I] (headed by Dick Armey) funding the Tea Party movement, has been on at least twice. Both times I saw the interview. They definitely didn't agree. So I think she's willing to have on whomever is willing to except the invite. I really don' think it's a matter of getting a bunch of liberals that agree with her point of view.

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[quote=12thMan;703732]She's had Rand Paul on twice. First time he announced his candidacy on her show, second time, well, we know what happened the second time. She's invited Liz Cheney, Karl Rove, Sarah Palin, and numerous other Republicans repeatedly. All have declined.

I've seen her interview one of the top RNC communications guys at least twice. Can't pull his name off the top of my head. Tim Phillips, President of Americans For Prosperity, a group that works with [I]Freedom Works[/I] (headed by Dick Armey) funding the Tea Party movement, has been on at least twice. Both times I saw the interview. They definitely didn't agree. So I think she's willing to have on whomever is willing to except the invite. I really don' think it's a matter of getting a bunch of liberals that agree with her point of view.[/quote]

Well I cannot comment because everytime I have seen someone on her show it was a person who agreed with her point of view. I do flip over to her show several times a week to see what she is talking about so its not like I only cut her on once or twice a month.

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[quote=firstdown;703741]Well I cannot comment because everytime I have seen someone on her show it was a person who agreed with her point of view. [B]I do flip over to her show several times a week[/B] to see what she is talking about so its not like I only cut her on once or twice a month.[/quote]YOU'VE BEEN OUTED.....MSNBC watcher!!!!

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[quote=firstdown;703741]Well I cannot comment because everytime I have seen someone on her show it was a person who agreed with her point of view. I do flip over to her show several times a week to see what she is talking about so its not like I only cut her on once or twice a month.[/quote]

I pretty much catch Rach every evening, not so much lately, but I would consider myself an avid viewer of her show. I really don't care too much for Keith Olberman, Dylan or Ed Shultz. I'll flip over to Sean Insannity to see if he has Dick Morris (my fav) predicting more doom and gloom or pushing his latest book detesting the Obama administration.

For a while there I was watching Sean Hannity so much my girlfriend would just shut the TV off and we'd get into a little argument. Crazy.

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[quote=12thMan;703744]I pretty much catch Rach every evening, not so much lately, but I would consider myself an avid viewer of her show. I really don't care too much for Keith Olberman, Dylan or Ed Shultz. I'll flip over to Sean Insannity to see if he has Dick Morris (my fav) predicting more doom and gloom or pushing his latest book detesting the Obama administration.

For a while there I was watching Sean Hannity so much my girlfriend would just shut the TV off and we'd get into a little argument. Crazy.[/quote] You've been Hannitized and didn't even know it. You two can be the next Carville / Matalin. LOL

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;703754]You've been Hannitized and didn't even know it. You two can be the next Carville / Matalin. LOL[/quote]

Fo sho, I've been Hannitized! Haha Have you ever been to his on line forum, woooo boy!!

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[quote=12thMan;703759]Fo sho, I've been Hannitized! Haha Have you ever been to his on line forum, woooo boy!![/quote]No, I'm sure it's a mess tho. They'd probably be labeling me a lib.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;703760]No, I'm sure it's a mess tho. They'd probably be labeling me a lib.[/quote]

Most, if not all, of the Republicans/conservatives here would damn near get banned, run over, or ridiculed on that site. I used to surf it every now and then for shits and giggles, and they totally banned me after about two months. I felt like I was being punished for not folding my clothes or something...I was like, what'd I do?!! LOL

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Good thing the Prez has his finger on the pulse of this thing:

[url=http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37863.html]Obama punts on Birnbaum exit - Eamon Javers and Carol E. Lee - POLITICO.com[/url]

Interesting how Hollywood doesn't seem to care:

[url=http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/george-clooney-bono-and-other-celebrities-sit-out-gulf-of-mexico-oil-spill-relief/19489353]George Clooney, Bono and Other Celebrities Sit Out Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Relief - AOL News[/url]

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Maybe off topic a bit but I had a geek moment this morning when I saw good old Bill Nye the Science Guy explaining to people on TV about the oil spill and what is currently happening.

Good move on the gov'ts part there. He always could explain complex science in a way that people could understand it. I didn't know he was still on tv. We watched him in school way back in the day....

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[quote=GMScud;703821]Good thing the Prez has his finger on the pulse of this thing:

[url=http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37863.html]Obama punts on Birnbaum exit - Eamon Javers and Carol E. Lee - POLITICO.com[/url]

Interesting how Hollywood doesn't seem to care:

[url=http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/george-clooney-bono-and-other-celebrities-sit-out-gulf-of-mexico-oil-spill-relief/19489353]George Clooney, Bono and Other Celebrities Sit Out Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Relief - AOL News[/url][/quote]

Damnit GM, Costner cares!

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/702626-post162.html[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;703821]Good thing the Prez has his finger on the pulse of this thing:

[URL="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37863.html"]Obama punts on Birnbaum exit - Eamon Javers and Carol E. Lee - POLITICO.com[/URL]

Interesting how Hollywood doesn't seem to care:

[URL="http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/george-clooney-bono-and-other-celebrities-sit-out-gulf-of-mexico-oil-spill-relief/19489353"]George Clooney, Bono and Other Celebrities Sit Out Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Relief - AOL News[/URL][/quote]

Kinda dumb to compare relief efforts for a 3rd world country devastated by a natural disaster to an oil spill that a giant corporation is responsible for.

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[quote=Mattyk;703854]Kinda dumb to compare relief efforts for a 3rd world country devastated by a natural disaster to an oil spill that a giant corporation is responsible for.[/quote]

Yea but if this was on Bush's watch Sean Peen would be down there on TV yelling where is the goverment as he is soak in oil carrying dead oil soaked birds.

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[quote=firstdown;703864]Yea but if this was on Bush's watch Sean Peen would be down there on TV yelling where is the goverment as he is soak in oil carrying dead oil soaked birds.[/quote]

the hypocrisy will never be acknowledged, not worth fighting over.

that said, Things I am sure of if Bush were in office:

- Daily stories of Bush's ties to the oil company's would be normal

- Green Activists would have been blasting the White House's drilling policies

- Hollywood would have been heavily involved in the story.

- The one director would have made a movie about the White House and Big Oil

- The Government's response would have been aggressively attacked and human/animal suffering stories would have been lead stories 2 out of every 3 nights.


That these would have been valid is not my point, it's that the media blatantly shields it's favored politicians, and actively lambasts those who they hate. (and yes they clearly hated Bush)

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[quote=firstdown;703864]Yea but if this was on Bush's watch Sean Peen would be down there on TV yelling where is the goverment as he is soak in oil carrying dead oil soaked birds.[/quote]

Believe what you want to believe.

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The problem really lies with BP. The gap between them and other oil companies when it comes to safety violations is astounding. I think it's like a 700 violations gap between BP at #1 and Sunoco (with fewer than 10 in the past three years, which is 10 too many of course)

Here's a good read

[url=http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2085/]Renegade Refiner: OSHA Says BP Has “Systemic Safety Problem” - The Center for Public Integrity[/url]

But yeah, I definitely agree that had this been during the last administration there would be a lot of stories about the WH's ties to Big Oil. That's neither here nor there at this point though. They could blame me for all I care, just fix the problem

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[quote=Mattyk;703870]Believe what you want to believe.[/quote]

You know that was funny and probably true. I'm not knocking the guy atleast he actually gets out and get involved but he is a little drama queen.

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Haven't we heard reports about BP's contributions to Obama?

[url=http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/may/24/bp-liked-obama-oil-stained-sarah-palins-hands-too/]PolitiFact | BP liked Obama, but oil stained Palin's hands too[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;703854]Kinda dumb to compare relief efforts for a 3rd world country devastated by a natural disaster to an oil spill that a giant corporation is responsible for.[/quote]

Is it? I strongly disagree. Where the blame falls has nothing to do with the fact that this disaster is devastating families, wildlife, and the fishing industry. There is an entire eco-system and plenty of families that need or will soon need a lot of help.

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[quote=Mattyk;703874]Haven't we heard reports about BP's contributions to Obama?

[URL="http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/may/24/bp-liked-obama-oil-stained-sarah-palins-hands-too/"]PolitiFact | BP liked Obama, but oil stained Palin's hands too[/URL][/quote]


Funny how they have to throw Palin and McCain into that article. First off Palin is not in office so we cannot judge her because we don't know what her response would have been. As Governor of Alaska Palin actually went after big oil to get a cut of the oil profits comming out of Alaska.

[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYdZoyTvFrTc&refer=home]Palin Boosted Oil-Company Taxes While Alaska Had Budget Surplus - Bloomberg.com[/url]

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Palin was the one calling Obama out, so it's only natural to point out that her hands aren't exactly clean in all of this.

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[quote=SmootSmack;703871]The problem really lies with BP. The gap between them and other oil companies when it comes to safety violations is astounding. I think it's like a 700 violations gap between BP at #1 and Sunoco (with fewer than 10 in the past three years, which is 10 too many of course)

Here's a good read

[url=http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2085/]Renegade Refiner: OSHA Says BP Has “Systemic Safety Problem” - The Center for Public Integrity[/url]

But yeah, I definitely agree that had this been during the last administration there would be a lot of stories about the WH's ties to Big Oil. That's neither here nor there at this point though. They could blame me for all I care, just fix the problem[/quote]

Your numbers are right. In the last 3 years, BP had 760 Violations, and not just the technical kind. The guy on TV last night said that all of those violations involved a physical danger, or something being done wrong that could bring about injury, death, or environmental damage. By comparison, Exxon, who had the worst spill prior to BP, had only ONE violation in the same time frame...

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Crying tears of pain at the cost of drill baby drill. No one was crying when they built that oil pipeline through the watrer supply of that Nigerian village. Karma is a B.

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[quote=GMScud;703886]Is it? I strongly disagree. Where the blame falls has nothing to do with the fact that this disaster is devastating families, wildlife, and the fishing industry. There is an entire eco-system and plenty of families that need or will soon need a lot of help.[/quote]

Again, that's BP's problem and financial responsibility.

The difference is pretty clear to me.

I can't speak for what George Clooney is doing, but there are other celebs leading fundraising efforts.

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[quote=SmootSmack;703871]The problem really lies with BP. The gap between them and other oil companies when it comes to safety violations is astounding. I think it's like a 700 violations gap between BP at #1 and Sunoco (with fewer than 10 in the past three years, which is 10 too many of course)

Here's a good read

[URL="http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2085/"]Renegade Refiner: OSHA Says BP Has “Systemic Safety Problem” - The Center for Public Integrity[/URL]

But yeah, I definitely agree that had this been during the last administration there would be a lot of stories about the WH's ties to Big Oil. That's neither here nor there at this point though. They could blame me for all I care, just fix the problem[/quote]Good article, problem with the OSHA enforcement is all they can do is levy fines. What's $ 90M to BP, it would cost them more to fix the violations. I'm not arguing it's right, I'm just stating what is.

MMS enforcement could've shut them down but their enforcement efforts are suspect at best, grossly and intentionally negligent at worst.

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Let's pray on it. Seems like the right forgot about praying this time. This is the type stuff you pray for. You don't pray to rule the world or to kill a president.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;703904]Good article, problem with the OSHA enforcement is all they can do is levy fines. What's $ 90M to BP, it would cost them more to fix the violations. I'm not arguing it's right, I'm just stating what is.
[B]
MMS enforcement could've shut them down but their enforcement efforts are suspect at best, grossly and intentionally negligent at worst.[/B][/quote]

One of the few things the left and right seem to agree on is that the MMS needs sweeping administrative change. They're a shitshow.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;703905]Let's pray on it. [B]Seems like the right forgot about praying this time. [/B]This is the type stuff you pray for. You don't pray to rule the world or to kill a president.[/quote]

Huh? Some of your posts are really good. Others are head scratchers.

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[quote=GMScud;703908]Huh? Some of your posts are really good. Others are head scratchers.[/quote]

Point is: Man and science can't fix this. It is time to pray. The right are always claiming to be so religous and righteous. For an event like this oil spill we must pray. Man has bit off more than man can chew. We are not advanced enough yet for this resource.

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What if there's no God? Then we're just F'd I guess.

Not to open a huge can of worms or anything. :)

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[quote=Mattyk;703911]What if there's no God? Then we're just F'd I guess.

Not to open a huge can of worms or anything. :)[/quote]

I know there is a god I have been to Miami beach, from what I saw the one diety really really really favors Cuba.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;703910]Point is: Man and science can't fix this. It is time to pray. [B]The right are always claiming to be so religous and righteous.[/B] For an event like this oil spill we must pray. Man has bit off more than man can chew. We are not advanced enough yet for this resource.[/quote]I would sure hope everyone on both sides of the aisle is saying a few prayers about this.

But it will be man and science that do fix this problem....a little "luck" for the non-religious, or divine intervention certainly couldn't hurt though.

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So much for that top kill eh?

:doh: