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So I went up to the high school to try my crack at this.... and its quite harder than I thought. Just to put it in perspective, I'm about 5'9, 200 pounds, not out of shape, but rocking a little beer gut... and I ran a 1/2 marathon about 7 months ago, so I would consider myself somewhat conditioned I guess....

I did it once, 75 seconds, which was a fail. The hardest part to me was the changing of directions. I did it again running 3 100 yard sprints down the football feild, changing directions at the goal line and did it in under a min... so the change in direction added nearly 20 seconds on it for me.

Granted I'm not a pro athlete making 20 million dollars, but it was a little tough.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;716080]Just got my answer:
RT @Rich_Campbell I'm hearing that Albert Haynesworth did not run this morning. Apparently he's resting.

I think this is a good choice. After military PT tests there was a day to recuperate for your body, and in the football season, the day after the game is usually a recuperate type day.[/quote]I'm skeptical on how much lactic acid/soreness a pair of 300 yd shuttles would actually create, but Albert probably has been doing additional work in the teams' facility during practice hours, so that would explain the additional fatigue.

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The first shuttle run is the easy part its the second one after the short break that's taxing.
Its not [I]that[/I] hard to do but if you haven't done it before you'll make it harder on yourself because you'll go too fast or too slow in some portions you need a good steady pace.

-No worries Al will get it, i think Shanahan is effing with him a little.
I bet dollars to donuts that if all the DL & OL were doing it would under the same strict adherence to the time hacks as demanded by Shanahan Albert wouldn't be the only one person held out.

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Smoot, Davis, Thomas and Kelly all fail the conditioning test either last year or the year prior?

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I don't remeber a day of rest after a PT test. And honestly a 3 mile run, 2 minutes of sit up, and pull-ups wasn't all that bad. The Air Force had it a little harder though with the stationary bike and all, they may have needed it.


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[quote=CRedskinsRule;716080]Just got my answer:
RT @Rich_Campbell I'm hearing that Albert Haynesworth did not run this morning. Apparently he's resting.

I think this is a good choice. After military PT tests there was a day to recuperate for your body, and in the football season, the day after the game is usually a recuperate type day.[/quote]

I have a hard time believing that AH was "resting." My guess is that the proper verb is "refusing." If so, expect a trade or suspension soon.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;716080]Just got my answer:
RT @Rich_Campbell I'm hearing that Albert Haynesworth did not run this morning. Apparently he's resting.

I think this is a good choice. After military PT tests there was a day to recuperate for your body, and in the football season, the day after the game is usually a recuperate type day.[/quote]

I'm not sure what the latest wisdom is on what an athlete should do the 'day after' an event, because it's been a long time since I've trained for anything. But I'm under the impression from talking to people that its generally not a good idea to do nothing the day after a game, race, etc. unless you just ran a marathon. I've heard the term "active rest" mentioned a lot in recent years, the idea being that you jog, bike or run lightly to get the lactic acid out of your system.

Of course we don't know what "rest" means in this case, but it does sound like AH might be gettin over. He could be this year's Portis, I'm glad Shanny has stuck to his guns so far.

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It would be odd for a guy who ran the shuttle three times earlier in the week out of his own accord to suddenly just refuse to do it a few days later. The "bag of blubber" image is still in people's minds, no matter how wrong about it they could be.

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[quote=30gut;716094][B]The first shuttle run is the easy part its the second one after the short break that's taxing.
Its not [I]that[/I] hard to do but if you haven't done it before you'll make it harder on yourself because you'll go too fast or too slow in some portions you need a good steady pace.[/B]

-No worries Al will get it, i think Shanahan is effing with him a little.
I bet dollars to donuts that if all the DL & OL were doing it would under the same strict adherence to the time hacks as demanded by Shanahan Albert wouldn't be the only one person held out.

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Smoot, Davis, Thomas and Kelly all fail the conditioning test either last year or the year prior?[/quote]

I think you make an excellent point here. I saw an article by Tedi Bruschi of the Patriots who said that he would practice in the offseason for a similar test that the Pats gave each of their players at the start of Training Camp. He said he felt that he needed to practice for the test because he needed to get his pace right and to refine his technique. It seems that it's not just a matter of conditioning but that AH probably needs to practice for the test a little to get his pace and technique down.

Is Shanahan messing with him a little about the test? Probably. But Shanahan is so rules-based and exacting that I doubt that Shanny will relent any time soon and cut AH some slack if AH keeps failing the test.

I hope that AH passes the test soon so this doesn't become another issue between him and Shanahan. I think he will. At his point, after two failures to pass the test, I'd like to think that AH has too much pride as an athlete to let the test beat him.

BTW, having Haynesworth start out camp as a 2nd Teamer is a pure revenge move by Shanahan. After all, Trent Williams, a rookie who didn't know a thing about playing pro football, much les Shanahan's offense, practiced with the 1st Team on day one of his NFL career.

Don't misunderstand me; I'm not shifting over to Haynesworth's side. I still think that he could have compromised with Shanahan and acted like a better teammate during the offseason. But I also like to think that I'm fair-minded enough to call bullshit on Shanahan, as well, when his actions start to look like they may be personal rather than professional. To be clear, Shanahan demoting Haynesworth to 2nd Team was personal and it is bullshit.

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This is starting to get ridiculous

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;716101]It would be odd for a guy who ran the shuttle three times earlier in the week out of his own accord to suddenly just refuse to do it a few days later. The "bag of blubber" image is still in people's minds, no matter how wrong about it they could be.[/quote]

My comments had nothing to do with AH being lazy.

If AH feels that Shanny is just f*&^ing with him, AH may just childishly refuse.

And if AH really wants a trade, he may childishly refuse.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;716102]I think you make an excellent point here. I saw an article by Tedi Bruschi of the Patriots who said that he would practice in the offseason for a similar test that the Pats gave each of their players at the start of Training Camp. He said he felt that he needed to practice for the test because he needed to get his pace right and to refine his technique. It seems that it's not just a matter of conditioning but that AH probably needs to practice for the test a little to get his pace and technique down.

Is Shanahan messing with him a little about the test? Probably. But Shanahan is so rules-based and exacting that I doubt that Shanny will relent any time soon and cut AH some slack if AH keeps failing the test.

I hope that AH passes the test soon so this doesn't become another issue between him and Shanahan. I think he will. At his point, after two failures to pass the test, I'd like to think that AH has too much pride as an athlete to let the test beat him.

BTW, having Haynesworth start out camp as a 2nd Teamer is a pure revenge move by Shanahan. [B]After all, Trent Williams, a rookie who didn't know a thing about playing pro football, much les Shanahan's offense, practiced with the 1st Team on day one of his NFL career.[/B]

Don't misunderstand me; I'm not shifting over to Haynesworth's side. I still think that he could have compromised with Shanahan and acted like a better teammate during the offseason. But I also like to think that I'm fair-minded enough to call bullshit on Shanahan, as well, when his actions start to look like they may be personal rather than professional. To be clear, Shanahan demoting Haynesworth to 2nd Team was personal and it is bullshit.[/quote]

Difference is Trent was there for all the off-season work.

I don't have a problem with AH having to earn his spot back after the BS he put the team through all of the off-season. What kind of message would it send to the team if you skip all the off-season work, ask for a trade, and on day one of camp all is forgotten and you're lining up with the starters?

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A rest day at this point makes sense. I really don't think AH is pushing back.

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[quote=Mattyk;716111]Difference is Trent was there for all the off-season work.

I don't have a problem with AH having to earn his spot back after the BS he put the team through all of the off-season. What kind of message would it send to the team if you skip all the off-season work, ask for a trade, and on day one of camp all is forgotten and you're lining up with the starters?[/quote]

Trent was 1st Team the day he walked on the practice field for the first time ever, and not after he did all of the off-season work. So, he did not have to earn it.

Come on, Matty, you know it's ridiculous to have AH work on the 2nd Team. This isn't High School. Everyone knows who the starter is - Albert. So, the Skins have already paid him $32M to play behind Golston? Sure.

OK, I'll concede that it may give the appearance of fairness but it's only for the sake of appearances.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;716117]Trent was 1st Team the day he walked on the practice field for the first time ever, and not after he did all of the off-season work. So, he did not have to earn it.

Come on, Matty, you know it's ridiculous to have AH work on the 2nd Team. This isn't High School. Everyone knows who the starter is - Albert. So, the Skins have already paid him $32M to play behind Golston? Sure.

OK, I'll concede that it may give the appearance of fairness but it's only for the sake of appearances.[/quote]

Don't know about that. Shanahan has a reputation for being kind of a hard ass. A lot of players resented him in Oakland due to his drill instructor mentality. He tempered that quite a bit in Denver but you can't change the nature of a lion. If fat baby makes it back to starting, he will definitely have to earn it. There is no mind game here. This is Mike's m. o.

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[quote=Lotus;716110]My comments had nothing to do with AH being lazy.

If AH feels that Shanny is just f*&^ing with him, AH may just childishly refuse.

And if AH really wants a trade, he may childishly refuse.[/quote]

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Albert Haynesworth has swelling in his knee, so he did not take conditioning test on Saturday. Uncertain if Haynesworth will take test Sun.

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[quote=Mattyk;716112]A rest day at this point makes sense. I really don't think AH is pushing back.[/quote]

??? Makes sense? All he has to do is a few 300 yard gassers. If you're in any kind of shape whatsoever, that's not really all that hard to do. We used to run 10 100 yard gassers at the end of every practice in high school. This dude is a pro-athlete. Plus, how are his shuttle runs any more taxing than the full practices every other player has had the past few days? And they're all on the field today.

Haynesworth is a me-first, petulant little child, and I think he's definitely pushing back. With regard to the conditioning test stuff, he's already been quoted as saying "this is BS," and "I'm tired of this shit." Also, Mike Shanahan is stubborn to a fault. Neither parties are winning anything at this point.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;716122][URL="http://twitter.com/RedskinsDotCom"]Redskins.com (RedskinsDotCom) on Twitter[/URL]
Albert Haynesworth has swelling in his knee, so he did not take conditioning test on Saturday. Uncertain if Haynesworth will take test Sun.[/quote]

Oh, well then he's not pushing back if that's the case. Or he could be making it up. He's not exactly tough when it comes to bumps and bruises. Pushing back or swollen knee, it's bad either way.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;716122][URL="http://twitter.com/RedskinsDotCom"]Redskins.com (RedskinsDotCom) on Twitter[/URL]
Albert Haynesworth has swelling in his knee, so he did not take conditioning test on Saturday. Uncertain if Haynesworth will take test Sun.[/quote]

dude is already hurt from running gassers. what a joke.

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[quote=GMScud;716124]??? Makes sense? All he has to do is a few 300 yard gassers. If you're in any kind of shape whatsoever, that's not really all that hard to do. We used to run 10 100 yard gassers at the end of every practice in high school. This dude is a pro-athlete. Plus, how are his shuttle runs any more taxing than the full practices every other player has had the past few days? And they're all on the field today.

Haynesworth is a me-first, petulant little child, and I think he's definitely pushing back. With regard to the conditioning test stuff, he's already been quoted as saying "this is BS," and "I'm tired of this shit." Also, Mike Shanahan is stubborn to a fault. Neither parties are winning anything at this point.[/quote]

Most players seem to agree the conditioning test is tough. Fair but tough. I really haven't seen anyone say that it's easy, especially for a guy his size.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;716117]Trent was 1st Team the day he walked on the practice field for the first time ever, and not after he did all of the off-season work. So, he did not have to earn it.

Come on, Matty, you know it's ridiculous to have AH work on the 2nd Team. This isn't High School. Everyone knows who the starter is - Albert. So, the Skins have already paid him $32M to play behind Golston? Sure.

OK, I'll concede that it may give the appearance of fairness but it's only for the sake of appearances.[/quote]

I really don't think it's ridiculous at all.

What's ridiculous is the circus sideshow that AH was all off-season. Again, after all that you would just hand him his job back on day 1? Of course he's going to earn it back, but the point is you just don't hand the guy anything after the shit he pulled all off-season.

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[quote=Mattyk;716129]I really don't think it's ridiculous at all.

What's ridiculous is the circus sideshow that AH was all off-season. Again, after all that you would just hand him his job back on day 1? Of course he's going to earn it back, but the point is you just don't hand the guy anything after the shit he pulled all off-season.[/quote]
And it was Vinnies folly to allow the money deal to go down with Big. I doubt Shanny will allow that to get in the way of fielding the most capable team?

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[quote=Hog1;716131]And it was Vinnies folly to allow the money deal to go down with Big. [B]I doubt Shanny will allow that to get in the way of fielding the most capable team[/B][B]?[/B][/quote]

Barring injury, how could Haynesworth [U]not[/U] be a part of the most capable team?

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Making Haynesworth run this test until he passes, playing with the second team etc. is not just about fairness -- Shanahan runs the Redskins, and by extension, Haynesworth [B]not the other way around[/B].

I think what he is doing is perfect, he's explained that there is a reason this conditioning test is being administered and until he passes, he can't practice. Not only that, the fact that this test is extremely routine has been corroborated across the league. Plus, after the entire off-season of me-first whining that Haynesworth has done, a lot of teams will never take a chance on him again. After this conditioning test, were Haynesworth to skip training camp or demand a trade, he would come off as an even bigger loser.

Keep it up Shanny.

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Apparently haynesworth is sitting out today because he injured his knee doing the conditioning test yesterday. So evidently he wasn't in football shape after all.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;716137]Apparently haynesworth is sitting out today because he injured his knee doing the conditioning test yesterday. So evidently he wasn't in football shape after all.[/quote]

Just out of curiosity is it possible to fake swelling in the knee?

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i saw on the ESPN crawl he was just resting his legs for a day. Is this bad info or is there another problem with an injury?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;716133]Barring injury, how could Haynesworth [U]not[/U] be a part of the most capable team?[/quote]

Certainly he could. BUt with BIG, he proving more all the time it's about what he WILL do and not what he can do. I don't think anyone has questioned his ability.......just motivation, and heart. Laying out and taking plays off (many of them) is not going to get it done. Certainly not with Shannahan.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;716157]i saw on the ESPN crawl he was just resting his legs for a day. Is this bad info or is there another problem with an injury?[/quote]

He rested his legs because they weren't feeling 100% is pretty much all there is to it

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Redskins Insider is all over the board in regards to the AH situation. I just spent alot of time reading all the articles they have poster over the last 24 hours. Alot of good info for someone who is 600 miles away from Redskins Park.

Based on what I read it seems as though this test is not unreasonable and that he has run this in the past with the Titans although thier test had them run 50 yards instead of 25.

I am also assuming AH wasnt in as good of shape as he stated through the course of the off season. Correct me if I am wrong in this assumption.

I do like the way that Coach is handling the situation to and that AH may build some sympathy with the other guys on the roster once he finally passes the test and resumes practicing with his teammates. So that may help to eliminate some of the bad blood. OR this may in no way build sympathy for a guy who claimed he had worked out all off season but can't pass a pretty standard conditiong test may leave his teammates feeling they cannot rely on the guy next to them. We will all see how this story ends but I am hoping this big ass distraction goes away soon so the media can focus on the good things going on at Redskins Park.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;716157]i saw on the ESPN crawl he was just resting his legs for a day. Is this bad info or is there another problem with an injury?[/quote]

The official diagnosis is a sprained ego.

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[quote=Lotus;716169]The official diagnosis is a sprained ego.[/quote]

A sprained ego! That's not serious is it?

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[quote=mooby;716171]A sprained ego! That's not serious is it?[/quote]

Depends on the size of the ego. Some people are actually capable of playing with no ego. Other players are dependent on the status of their ego.

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T.o. Is carrying ochocincos pads in cincy. It looks like his ego has shrunk to normal size. Maybe we should have pursued him after all...

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[quote=mooby;716171]A sprained ego! That's not serious is it?[/quote]

I guess it depends whether it's a high sprain or not. I wonder if they'll do an MRI.

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[quote=GMScud;716125]Oh, well then he's not pushing back if that's the case. Or he could be making it up. He's not exactly tough when it comes to bumps and bruises. Pushing back or swollen knee, it's bad either way.[/quote]

People love their moral high horse, until the lance of reality pierces their horse's heart. The docs recommended that Haynesworth not run the test. It's on RI.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;716178][B]People love their moral high horse[/B], until the lance of reality pierces their horse's heart. The docs recommended that Haynesworth not run the test. It's on RI.[/quote]

????

When I made that post there was nothing on RI about it. Just like everyone else, I've got an opinion on Haynesworth. It's got nothing to do with a "moral high horse."

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More disturbing to me than moral disposition is the apparent....fact the AH cannot run some routine drills without developing concerns about his knee?

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[quote=Hog1;716196]More disturbing to me than moral disposition is the apparent....fact the AH cannot run some routine drills without developing concerns about his knee?[/quote]

You remember AH spent a good portion of last season rolling around on the ground every few series either grabbing his hip, knee, ____ (insert various body part here).

100 million my eye.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;716176]T.o. Is carrying ochocincos pads in cincy. It looks like his ego has shrunk to normal size. Maybe we should have pursued him after all...[/quote]

nice jab at Dez B and the Cowboys... thats awesome.