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[quote=aceinthehouse;738187]I have a question...

Why is it important for us to see him succeed?

Is it because he's a former redskins? I sure haven't heard anything on Chase Daniel and people hoping he does well with the saints....Or Patrick Ramsey....or Brunell?

Do you guys wish them success?

How about David Akers...he's a former skin? Do you want him to succeed?

How about Antonio Pierce? Were you guys on his bandwagoon for his success with the giants?(before retiring)

How about Albert Haynesworth?
He's on the team and people are dogging him? How do you know he's not a nice guy?
Do you guys know him personally?

The point I'm trying to make is....

We don't care how nice he is?
He's not a Redskin

We were bitching for years to dump him and were bashed for this opinion.
And now that we've been proven right,we are glad that Shanahan made the decision he made.

5 years he was on this team and was given excuse after excuse,when many of us Skins fans KNEW he sucked...

Fortunately,our new coach saw this as well!
And we are enjoying every minute of it!!

Just like the eagles are praying for failure on McNabb...

Why should we want jason campbell,to be a great player?

I want to know,how great a decision my Head Coach made in dumping his sorry ass...

And I'm feeling pretty good about that right now!

I could care less how good he does somewhere else...
I want Mcnabb to play well and the rest of the team!
That's all I care about on who PLAYS well!

Don't give us a hard time if you stupid shits have JC on your fantasy team...[/quote]

great post#2

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Thank you
htownskinfan!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;738088]Did anyone ever believe that? I think that people thought we could keep JC, get McNabb's production, all the while keeping our second round pick. I doubt anyone thought that Oakland would be better then us.[/quote]

I was listening to the radio up in DC back in May ( it was the ESPN radio staion on FM ), and the talk show hosts asked a poll question as to whether the JC lead Raiders would have a better record then the Mcnabb lead Skins, and I would say at least 70-75% of the callers said the Raiders. All Skins fans, I was pretty shocked at how stupid people sounded and even astounded that some many callers really believed it. They absolutley were convincted of thier opinion.

I thoght it was RIDICULOUS. I have no reason to critise JC anymore, because now he is Oaklands problem! I will say this though.... :benched:.

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I actually thought both posts were stupid and irrelevant but whatever.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;738219]Thank you
htownskinfan![/quote]

your welcome.I have not read this whole thread to see why your being criticed for your post but I absolutely agree with you on the 2 I commented on.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;738217]Threads can become sweet, sour, stupid in a good way, or stupid in a bad way. You're the master of making them stupid in a bad way.

And you barge into my [merged] thread with a brain-dead analysis in which you displayed an inability to distinguish between the concepts of accountability, which Campbell is lacking in, and class, in which he has some.[/quote]

Actually,I believe I made excellent point's that you obviously disagree with portis...and that's your opinion and fine.

And what you call brain-dead analysis,many others would call facts.

The fact alone that "he's a nice guy" isn't even a fact.
He may appear that way to you,but it doesn't make true.

I pointed out that the guy takes no responsibility for the mistakes that he's at least a Big part of...yet he never acknowledges it. [B]Ever![/B]

Then he's surprised to be taken out,when his performances was absolutely terrible.

Tom Cable gets it...Mike Shanahan gets it....
The only people that don't get it,are the Campbell supporters till the very end and perhaps Al Davis who reminds him of Jim Plunkett.

Now Al I can give a break too,cause the guy is older than the crypt keeper
But there just is no excuse for the stupidity for those who actually still believe...

It's the raiders O-line
Running game
Defense

or whatever lame excuses they have came up with this week.
Same excuses and same results

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is OMFG one of those acronyms kids use nowadays?

whoever made that thread in the parking lot about guessin what some acronyms they posted means, that was pretty cool.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;738228]Actually,I believe I made excellent point's that you obviously disagree with portis...and that's your opinion and fine.

And what you call brain-dead analysis,many others would call facts.

The fact alone that "he's a nice guy" isn't even a fact.
He may appear that way to you,but it doesn't make true.

I pointed out that the guy takes no responsibility for the mistakes that he's at least a Big part of...yet he never acknowledges it. [B]Ever![/B]

Then he's surprised to be taken out,when his performances was absolutely terrible.

Tom Cable gets it...Mike Shanahan gets it....
The only people that don't get it,are the Campbell supporters till the very end and perhaps Al Davis who reminds him of Jim Plunkett.

Now Al I can give a break too,cause the guy is older than the crypt keeper
But there just is no excuse for the stupidity for those who actually still believe...

It's the raiders O-line
Running game
Defense

or whatever lame excuses they have came up with this week.
Same excuses and same results[/quote]

You're dumb enough to not realize that I did not say "Campbell does take responsibility for his actions". You, just like that other member in the other thread, can't read a complete sentence when angry.

You can't even notice when I'm agreeing with you for something.

You should have been able to garner from my post that I conveyed the idea that Campbell is not holding himself accountable enough.

Also, you didn't use responsibility or accountability when first discussing Campbell, you used "class". If you cannot realize the dissimilarities between these two words in your native language, you're hopeless.

Oh, and before you charge blindly again, I'll point out exactly where I meant what I meant about Campbell's lack of personal accountability.
[quote]And you barge into my [merged] thread with a brain-dead analysis in which you displayed an inability to distinguish between the [B]concepts of accountability, [I]which Campbell is lacking in[/I],[/B] and class, in which he has some.
[/quote]

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yea..the back and forth is tiresome...

I'm just happy about the redskins situation and will continue to be...

And i think we can all agree that Jason Campbell has a lot of work to do,if he's going to take back the #1 job. He's running out of opportunities.

That's all I have to say in this thread.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;738203]Hey GTripp remember when you said this ? Looks like I wasn't that far off on his skills or lack thereof. Go back and watch some more tape guy. However, I don't expect you to be able to analyze what he can or cannot do because deep down you must be right. I don't know if you actually feel right but,.... I really was. 2 NFL Head Coaches have agreed with me so far, then again I'm probably wrong.[/quote]I don't know, you seem as clueless now as you ever did. Thanks for pointing out that I did say that. I still stand by it of course.

Then again, you seem like a good enough guy, so if you ever get the urge for yet another strawman -- you know where to find me.

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Love the title! It's about time we call it what it is.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;738224]I was listening to the radio up in DC back in May ( it was the ESPN radio staion on FM ), and the talk show hosts asked a poll question as to whether the JC lead Raiders would have a better record then the Mcnabb lead Skins, and I would say at least 70-75% of the callers said the Raiders. All Skins fans, I was pretty shocked at how stupid people sounded and even astounded that some many callers really believed it. They absolutley were convincted of thier opinion.[/quote]I'd put my money on the Redskins because the Raiders generally don't have a clue, but:

We're 1-1.
They're 1-1.
They have the easier remaining schedule, by far.

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Also, this new thread title completely ends the need for this thread to be closed. May it live on indefinately!

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[quote=GTripp0012;738247]Also, this new thread title completely ends the need for this thread to be closed. May it live on indefinately![/quote]

Yeah because we remember the last never ending thread here.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;738255]Yeah because we remember the last never ending thread here.[/quote]The OP of that one had better intentions, I would say.

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[quote=freddyg12;738144]That's a really good point. I'm one of those that was attached to him because Gibbs drafted him, he was the qb of the future & he is a likable media figure, though not dynamic in the least. I'd also watched him beat my Hokies in the sugar bowl in 04-5 & thought he was pretty composed as a leader.

Now as you said, he's got to start over, but the catch is that they expected him to be a starter from day 1 & play like their qb of the future. Well, either the future has been delayed or Gradkowski is their future.[/quote]Yeah, what's clear about Oakland now is that they didn't really go into the season with a strong philosophy on how they would throw the football, they went in just kind of figuring that subtracting Russell and adding Campbell and Hue Jackson would just fix whatever was wrong. And rather than start building that philosophy now a little late, they're just going to plug Gradkowski in for Campbell and hope that fixes things.

A spoiler: it won't.

They should still be good for 6 or 7 wins no matter who is at quarterback, and if anything, their offense is going to be better than I predicted because their philosophy of just adding talent and hoping for the best actually worked in the case of Darren McFadden. But even with a two-headed monster RB duo and a running game, they still won't break .500 because they can't protect the passer.

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[quote=GTripp0012;738247]Also, [B]this new thread title completely ends the need for this thread to be closed[/B]. May it live on indefinately![/quote]

PREACH!!

I still do not believe the Raiders will have as good a record as us. We are going to turn this thing up! Ha...... Screw the Raiders...

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I've been gone awhile...... have I missed anything? :D

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[quote=GTripp0012;738247]Also, this new thread title completely ends the need for this thread to be closed. May it live on indefinately![/quote]

Noooooooooooooo!

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[quote=GTripp0012;738256]The OP of that one had better intentions, I would say.[/quote]

Definitely agree with that.

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[quote=53Fan;738316]I've been gone awhile...... have I missed anything? :D[/quote]

We lost to the Texans.

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There was a thread that derailed into jokes regarding having sex with male sheep.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;738146]It took a new GM, and a new coach to realize that Cambell wasnt the teams best option. And as soon as a new QB was brought in, Jason sulked, wouldnt talk to the media, wouldn't workout, etc...

Now hes doing the same thing in Oakland....[/QUOTE]

There are maybe 4-5 teams in the entire NFL where McNabb isn't a better option.
Point of fact.
JC was asked not come to the work outs.
He did talk to the media.

I know a lot of people don't like the guy but at least be accurate.

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Wow. Everybody needs to find their happy place and have no more dreams or nightmares about JC.

For the smug, good on ya' - feeling better about yourselves? great!!!

For the apologists/supporters/still like the guy folks - doesn't appear JC is going to pan out. Oh well, seemed like a good enough guy when he was here. Now's the time to wish him well, nod knowingly to the aforementioned smug and dream of 60 yard McNabb thrown bombs arcing through the air.

Folks - let it gooooo.

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I agree, kill off all JC threads. It is over. The other dethroned Skins Qbs never received this amount of lingering disgust.

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lol I haven't looked at this thread since late last night and whoever changed the thread title to this deserves a free beer and a pat on the back. Awesomely named thread.

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[quote=30gut;737560]Um...then don't look at your previous post then.

I don't have the time nor the inclination nor,lol, can i find my sophmore year philosophy text book to quible with you about SFCS.

It appears all you want to do is quible and that's exactly what i wanted to avoid.
I'm not playing any word games nor was i trying to get you to agree to anything you don't.
I asked you simple direct questions to figure out how you saw the issue.
The 1st was this:
And you went sideways on me:


Nice try? "Ha"?
I asked a simple question and you are trying to view it as some sort of word game trap?

If you don't agree its cool.
But, to be clear YOU read something into the question that simply wasn't there.



Again huh?
I gather, lol, your response to this is also no?
Cool.


Do you always post like this or are you upset?
Right, right i've been insulting you?
Well by that same token you're insulting me by overcomplicating my posts and you're wasting my time with a lesson in philosophy. (Which is actually quite funny b/c after you rightly call yourself a hypocrite for your own logical fallacious argument you then correct it to make it logical which we both know doesn't make it true. And since you didn't even watch the games you have no idea how Jackson actually played.)

You seem bent on turning this discussion into something its not.
Its like you are having a pre-arranged argument with yourself and trying to tie me in.
It would be alot simpler to just read my post without your pre-arranged argument in mind.


You're so bent on having an argument that you glossed right over it.
My statement does not preclude that there could be a plethora of reasons related to each situation that may rightly or wrongly explain the decisions.[/quote]
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"Got that?" is a rude form of "do you understand?"
That does not make any of my other statments statements false.
Pseudo-intellecutals make false statements.
"Got that" is a question that neither be characterized as true or false.

So, your standards behind labeling me as a pseudo-intellectual apparently needs some work.
You already know that ad hominem fallacy though, so I have to conclude that your emotions tell the truth.

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The article writer is ambiguous on his use of quick. He APPARENTLY uses "quicker" in the sense of 'time has passed before benching'(2 weeks before benching) in the main article, not a "faster rate"(3 black/wk vs 2 whites/wk) as his title implies.

Sure, if he means that from this offseason, black qbs are being benched "quicker" by white head coaches, while other different white head coaches allow white qbs to stay on, then that would be a yes.


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[quote]Nice try? "Ha"?
I asked a simple question and you are trying to view it as some sort of word game trap?

If you don't agree its cool.
But, to be clear YOU read something into the question that simply wasn't there.
[/quote]
You oversimplified the definition of a "bad game" to just many(3 or more) INTs.
Even if I don't have access to tape, if the QB also led one or two scoring drives, then he could be said to have a so-so game or even a good game with a couple costly mistakes.
That's my "no" answer. Incidentally, Favre had such a game with the Jets.

Also, the article writer was the one who brought up Favre and his interceptions streak and why he hasn't been benched through his race paradigm.
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Of course, the article writer's point kind of died due to his supporting arguments dying. Now, he's saying that Hue Jackson shouldn't have done it because it divided the locker room even though Gradkowski played better.

And the Iggles are rumored to be entertaining trade offers for Kolb. Rumored, sure; but I can see the incentive to get value before Kolb embarrasses himself further.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;738323]There was a thread that derailed into jokes regarding having sex with male sheep.[/quote]

And who started that derail?

Personally I would never joke about buffin' a mutton.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;738362]Wow. Everybody needs to find their happy place and have no more dreams or nightmares about JC.

For the smug, good on ya' - feeling better about yourselves? great!!!

For the apologists/supporters/still like the guy folks - doesn't appear JC is going to pan out. Oh well, seemed like a good enough guy when he was here. Now's the time to wish him well, nod knowingly to the aforementioned smug and dream of 60 yard McNabb thrown bombs arcing through the air.

Folks - let it gooooo.[/quote]

:food-smil:lol::headbange:insane::party-smi:cheers:thumb:

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;738323]There was a thread that derailed into jokes regarding having sex with male sheep.[/quote]

What's wrong wi.......oh [B]MALE[/B] sheep. Baaaa.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;738362]Wow. Everybody needs to find their happy place and have no more dreams or nightmares about JC.

For the smug, good on ya' - feeling better about yourselves? great!!!

For the apologists/supporters/still like the guy folks - doesn't appear JC is going to pan out. Oh well, seemed like a good enough guy when he was here. Now's the time to wish him well, nod knowingly to the aforementioned smug and dream of 60 yard McNabb thrown bombs arcing through the air.

Folks - let it gooooo.[/quote]

Preach brotha!

Great advice for the remaining JC apologists like me out there. I wanted him to do good and still hope that in the right place at the right time with the right supporting cast he can still be a good quarterback, but for now we're gonna have to settle with what we've seen. Oh well. Like Joe said, it's time to just sit back and watch McNabb play good football.

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So after all that bluster and condescension this?

[quote=SirClintonPortis;738370]Sure, if he means that from this offseason, black qbs are being benched "quicker" by white head coaches, while other different white head coaches allow white qbs to stay on, then that would be a yes.[/quote]
Did it finally dawn on you that you were arguing against points i wasn't making?

-BTW [B][I]you're[/I][/B] the one mentioning the race of the HC [I]not[/I] the author.
Which renders your point about Hue Jackson being black as another strawman:
[quote]Of course, the article writer's point kind of died due to his supporting arguments dying. Now, he's saying that Hue Jackson shouldn't have done it because it divided the locker room even though Gradkowski played better.[/quote]

SCP-
I try to post in conversational manner.
Like 2 guys sitting in a bar drinking a beer, shooting the breeze talking football.
I would like to keep my conversations in this forum at that level.
Even if we disagree, which will happen theres no reason we should repeat our past discourse.

HTTR!

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[quote=Lotus;738372]And who started that derail?

Personally I would never joke about buffin' a mutton.[/quote]

Naturally, it was I.

However, I'm innocent as all I was doing was stating the obvious. "F'ing Rams week".

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[quote=30gut;738383]So after all that bluster and condescension this?


Did it finally dawn on you that you were arguing against points i wasn't making?

-BTW [B][I]you're[/I][/B] the one mentioning the race of the HC [I]not[/I] the author.
Which renders your point about Hue Jackson being black as another strawman:[/quote]
Yeah, I'll admit specifically where I'm wrong, but will continue to duke it out on points I still deem debatable. I bungled up on your questions and simply answered them, although I still will not back down from that pseudo-intellectual comment.
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Moving on...

The author not very precise with his position to begin with, although that's forgivable because it's a blog post and not a hardcore paper meant to be read by academia.

However, he did mention that there appears to be an "awful trend" and he hoped it wouldn't continue. He may not have mentioned the race HC's race explicitly, but it's implied. The coaches were white guys. The "victim" QBs were black. The "entitled" QBs were white. If one assumes that he believes there was some "tribalism" going on in the coaches' mind, then based on that assumption, then one can definitely think that he believes a racist double standard is being applied by coaches.

I do not see what is really awful pattern about a black coach benching or asking for a benching of a black qb for a white qb, unless it's about black coaches having no guts to stand up to a white guy or something like that. However, there are no examples of such that I can think of at the moment, hence I don't think he really considered that line of thought when posting his blog post.

Even if it's assumed that he includes coaches of whatever color, it's still implies that there is race is affecting decisions made about who is qb. If it's a white coach doing the benching, it could be tribalism at work. If it's a black coach, then could be not standing up for your own race.

After Jackson talks, he does write a post about the situation in response to that. He says that Jackson made the right decision on a technical level but not "politically", and by that he meant locker room politics. Not a single mention of race or it being a part of an "awful trend". It was all about the move forming divisions in the locker room.



[quote]
SCP-
I try to post in conversational manner.
Like 2 guys sitting in a bar drinking a beer, shooting the breeze talking football.
I would like to keep my conversations in this forum at that level.
Even if we disagree, which will happen theres no reason we should repeat are past discourse.

HTTR![/quote]

I'm aware that I go into "checking liner" mode often. You just met the very tamed down version of it. A few years back and it would have been uglier(and likely more embarrassing on my end).

That said, I'm one of those guys who also have nerd tendencies, hence, I might seem anal retentive to details and such.

In short, I guess you can call me a mean nerd. :lol:

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[quote=DynamiteRave;738365]lol I haven't looked at this thread since late last night and whoever changed the thread title to this deserves a free beer and a pat on the back. Awesomely named thread.[/quote]

I'll take a Guinness please

:drink

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[quote=Mattyk;738431]I'll take a Guinness please

:drink[/quote]

If he gets a Guiness, can I have a Corona.

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So gang how should we insult Jason today?

A. Inability to read defenses.
B. Predictable snap count
C. His horrible acting in local commercials
D. The fact that he teased us into thinking he could great during his 8 game run in 08
E. Long-Slow Release
F. Calling him Jason Candle

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[quote=Dirtbag359;738451]So gang how should we insult Jason today?

A. Inability to read defenses.
B. Predictable snap count
C. His horrible acting in local commercials
D. The fact that he teased us into thinking he could great during his 8 game run in 08
E. Long-Slow Release
F. Calling him Jason Candle[/quote]

He's not as sexy as Jay Cutler.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;738456]He's not as sexy as Jay Cutler.[/quote]

Perfect

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[quote=Dirtbag359;738451]So gang how should we insult Jason today?

A. Inability to read defenses.
B. Predictable snap count
C. His horrible acting in local commercials
D. The fact that he teased us into thinking he could great during his 8 game run in 08
E. Long-Slow Release
F. Calling him Jason Candle[/quote]

He's not a pineapple god.