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[quote=SFREDSKIN;775144]Would Claussen be a good fit for the Redskins, if Carolina decides to trade him instead of drafting a QB in the draft? He has a year's experience in the NFL which gives him a head start every rookie except Luck. Any thoughts?[/quote]

I would take Claussen if it's at a firesale price but I would not trade anywhere near the 2nd round pick they spent on him.

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[quote=celts32;775153]McNabb & Haynesworth are worth nothing to Carolina. It will take lots of draft picks to get their attention. Based on the draft value chart which is outdated but still a decent guideline, all the draft picks you mention would still leave us a couple hundred points short of the 3000 points that the #1 overall pick is worth. And if luck is as good as advertised then you will need to go above the 3000 points to get their attention.[/quote]

I guess it's a moot point, Carolina should draft him.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=5988254]Sources: Carolina Panthers to pick Andrew Luck if Stanford QB is in NFL draft - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=celts32;775155]I would take Claussen if it's at a firesale price but I would not trade anywhere near the 2nd round pick they spent on him.[/quote]

Probably wouldn't have to worry about that, his trade value is probably next to nothing.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;775156]I guess it's a moot point, Carolina should draft him.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=5988254"]Sources: Carolina Panthers to pick Andrew Luck if Stanford QB is in NFL draft - ESPN[/URL][/quote]


Now I kinda wish we went 2-14 LOL Oh well

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[quote=skinsfaninok;775145]I never wanted Clausen in WSH, go with Grossman if thats the case..

[B]BTW Denver wants a 2nd for Orton[/B][/quote]

Yeah that's not gonna happen considering he's due over $8M next year.

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[quote=celts32;775155]I would take Claussen if it's at a firesale price but I would not trade anywhere near the 2nd round pick they spent on him.[/quote]

Do you think he could be better or equal to what is coming out of college with the exception of Luck?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;775156]I guess it's a moot point, Carolina should draft him.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=5988254"]Sources: Carolina Panthers to pick Andrew Luck if Stanford QB is in NFL draft - ESPN[/URL][/quote]


Actually someone made a good comment below that article. They said why would CAR say anything different and devalue that pick. Of course they are going to say that they might get someone desperate enough to give them the farm.

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[quote=GridIron26;775150][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=5988254"]Sources: Carolina Panthers to pick Andrew Luck if Stanford QB is in NFL draft - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

Makes sense, since the guy is earning such rave reviews. I think the possibility of them trading out of that pick makes sense too. It will cost them big $ to sign the #1 pick & a head coach, and I'm sure they'd like to have some picks to build on.

What's scary is the team w/the most ammo to do it is New England. They could package a no. of 1st day picks & draft Luck to groom him to replace Brady. That kind of trade would be out of character for NE, but finding a replacement for Brady wouldn't be.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;775161]Do you think he could be better or equal to what is coming out of college with the exception of Luck?[/quote]

Clausen isn't accurate and doesn't have a big arm.. NO he's not better than Mallett or maybe even Gabbert

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;775156]I guess it's a moot point, Carolina should draft him.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=5988254]Sources: Carolina Panthers to pick Andrew Luck if Stanford QB is in NFL draft - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Not really, what matt just said is 100% correct. The Panthers want the whole league to think they are drafting Luck regardless. If they say they are building around Claussen then the Luck trade market begins at #2 instead of #1. No way they let another team have that windfall. Luck will be #1 overall either to Carolina or whoever pays the price.

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[quote=mredskins;775162]Actually someone made a good comment below that article. They said why would CAR say anything different and devalue that pick. Of course they are going to say that they might get someone desperate enough to give them the farm.[/quote]

I'm a firm believer that a talent like that doesn't come around too often and would pull a Ditka. Build the Vinny way for 2 seasons through FA. The tough part is the lockout next year screwing up FA.

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tHE Skins don't have enough ammo to move up 9 spots.. We only have a few star players as is, and no draft picks.. We might as well forget the possibility of Luck

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[quote=T.O.Killa;775074]My latest theory is that we will trade up with the Broncos and Take Locker. [/quote]

Why would we trade up for a player that is going to have a very very very very hard time staying in the first round?

He had an awful year, doesn't see the field very well and is not that accurate. Basically you couldn't ask for a bigger risk translating to the NFL game and there isn't a single GM that will consider him in the top ten.

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Could you imagine Luck in NE? Jeez!

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We won't have to trade up for Locker

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[quote=SmootSmack;775171]Could you imagine Luck in NE? Jeez![/quote]
They stockpile picks like a DAMN savings acct......

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Just a thought:

When has LUCK ever been the Redskins' thing? Never, at least not since '65 when I started watching them. So forget it, LUCK is not coming to town. No way.

Unfortunately.

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Mallett looks good So far on a big stage

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[quote=skinsfaninok;775228]Mallett looks good So far on a big stage[/quote]

Looks good, had at least 3 passes dropped by the WR's. He's tall and slender (will need more muscle in the pro's) he reminds me of a young Todd Collins.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;775230]Looks good, had at least 3 passes dropped by the WR's. He's tall and slender (will need more muscle in the pro's) he reminds me of a young Todd Collins.[/quote]

His footwork is underrated, hes not very mobile but he can move around in the pocket pretty well, big arm I like him as a QB.. Kinda Flacco like also

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[quote=skinsfaninok;775231]His footwork is underrated, hes not very mobile but he can move around in the pocket pretty well, big arm I like him as a QB.. Kinda Flacco like also[/quote]

His receivers did not help him. Other observations:

Needs to hit the weight room
Lack of mobility is a big concern.
Needs to do some work when inside the pocket.

Pretty good QB, will get better but needs to work on some things.

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I think it's far to early for people to throw in the towel on Clausen. He may never be an elite qb, but he could still be pretty damn good. He has Jonathan Stewart and that's about it on offense right now. That being said, it would be damn near impossible for the Panthers to pass on him unless someone does give up the farm for him.

I agree that the Panthers are basically just posturing in saying they are taking him if he declares for the same reason others have stated, don't devalue the pick. In the grand scheme of things, the Panthers would probably be better served trading down and filling many holes as opposed to staying put and adding to one position while still having many to fill. That is the same stance we need to take. If we can make a reasonable deal with out bankrupting the team of all of its draft picks over the next few years, then try, otherwise, taking the best available or trade down and add more picks.

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I'm not all that high on Mallett. If he could be had in the second round, I'd be cool with him or Locker there, but not with the #10 pick. If we stay at the ten, we should be able to draft and impact rush linebacker. Tandem that with Orakpo and our 3-4 defense suddenly looks much better. The way Joseph played on the line near the end of the season, I think we can look for depth there as opposed to instant impact. A free safety at some point it a must. Kevin Barnes may be the answer but we'll have to see if he can make the transition. I'm of the mind that he can.

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[quote=Terpfan76;775311]I think it's far to early for people to throw in the towel on Clausen. He may never be an elite qb, but he could still be pretty damn good. He has Jonathan Stewart and that's about it on offense right now. That being said, it would be damn near impossible for the Panthers to pass on him unless someone does give up the farm for him.

I agree that the Panthers are basically just posturing in saying they are taking him if he declares for the same reason others have stated, don't devalue the pick. In the grand scheme of things, the Panthers would probably be better served trading down and filling many holes as opposed to staying put and adding to one position while still having many to fill. That is the same stance we need to take. If we can make a reasonable deal with out bankrupting the team of all of its draft picks over the next few years, then try, otherwise, taking the best available or trade down and add more picks.[/quote]

It would be to the Panthers' advantage to develop both Clausen and Luck. As a rebuilding team, it would be an asset for them to have a tradeable QB.

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[quote=Terpfan76;775313]I'm not all that high on Mallett. If he could be had in the second round, I'd be cool with him or Locker there, but not with the #10 pick. [B]If we stay at the ten, we should be able to draft and impact rush linebacker. [/B]Tandem that with Orakpo and our 3-4 defense suddenly looks much better. The way Joseph played on the line near the end of the season, I think we can look for depth there as opposed to instant impact. A free safety at some point it a must. Kevin Barnes may be the answer but we'll have to see if he can make the transition. I'm of the mind that he can.[/quote]

Agreed. Which is why I have a hunch we're taking Von Miller (which I know may be a bit high at #10) (said the guy who thought we'd take Orakpo in '09, and T Williams in '10) Opinion subject to change

And...Joseph? He was hardly a factor ,sure you're not talking about someone else?

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I've missed the explanation,why does Dallas get to pick ahead of us? I was fking rooting for them Sunday to pull out that win then it does us no good,man that left a bad taste in my mouth

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[quote=SmootSmack;775318]Agreed. Which is why I have a hunch we're taking Von Miller (which I know may be a bit high at #10) (said the guy who thought we'd take Orakpo in '09, and T Williams in '10) Opinion subject to change

And...Joseph? He was hardly a factor ,sure you're not talking about someone else?[/quote]

Yup, I meant Anthony Bryant. We will still need to find someone to plug that hole in the not too distant future as Bryant is 29, but he seemed to do a pretty good job at the end of the year.

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[quote=Terpfan76;775321]Yup, I meant Anthony Bryant. We will still need to find someone to plug that hole in the not too distant future as Bryant is 29, but he seemed to do a pretty good job at the end of the year.[/quote]

Bryant was good and should be in a rotation for playing time at NT, but not as a starter. We need help at NT and DE really bad. Our D-Line was the weakest area of our team IMO.

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[quote=htownskinfan;775319]I've missed the explanation,why does Dallas get to pick ahead of us? I was fking rooting for them Sunday to pull out that win then it does us no good,man that left a bad taste in my mouth[/quote]

Because of strength of schedule. We had the same record against the same teams. But when you look at the record of the teams they played vs the record of the teams they played, their opponents' record was worse than ours. So they get the higher pick.

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Dallas won the division last year and ended up with an easier schedule then we did. That sucks.

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[quote=Chico23231;775322]Bryant was good and should be in a rotation for playing time at NT, but not as a starter. We need help at NT and DE really bad. [B]Our D-Line was the weakest area of our team IMO[/B].[/quote]

For much of the season that seemed the case, though the o line is still pretty sub par. Late in the season, say the last 3-4 games, the d line seemed to really pick up its play. Carriker looked good & Bryant really liked like a legit starting NT. Jarmon showed flashes too.

In particular the last 10 quarters they have looked like a different defense, and the d line was a big part of that.

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[quote=celts32;775333]Dallas won the division last year and ended up with an easier schedule then we did. That sucks.[/quote]

Well it's something you kind of can't see coming. Each schedule is predetermined after the regular season ends each year. Every team plays 6 divisional games, 1 out of conference division (for us an AFC division), one in conference division, and the final 2 opponents are in conference opponents determined by where you finished in the division.

We played the same 14 teams as they did, including us/them twice, and their final 2 games were first place teams from the two NFC divisions that we don't play this year, which were New Orleans and Arizona, while we played the Bucs and St. Louis, because they both finished last in their division last year. Since the NFC East played the NFC North division this year, that means the two opponents we played would be from the NFC West and South divisions.

That's why we had the harder strength of schedule, because both the Bucs and St. Louis became pretty good teams this year while the Cardinals hugely regressed and the Saints regressed slightly.

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Interesting comment from J.Jones about the pending lockout....

[QUOTE]Perhaps the most telling observation in recent weeks drew far less attention that it deserved. In the web-only version of a 60 Minutes interview featuring Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, reporter Scott Pelley asked Jones if a lockout would be “disastrous” to the league.

“No. I do not,” Jones said.
[/QUOTE]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/04/comments-from-jerry-richardson-jerry-jones-suggest-lockout-is-coming/]Comments from Jerry Richardson, Jerry Jones suggest lockout is coming | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Should I start working out now? lol. I wonder how much scrubs make?

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I honestly don't think our LB corps is as bad as some people think - certainly we need to address our DL before LB as far as our defense goes. You'd have a hard time convincing me we should take a LB at 10 overall - Blades, Fletcher, and Riley will be solid in the middle. Orkapo is obviously a very good starting OLB and Lorenzo Alexander and Rob Jackson are not bad enough that i would replace them with a top 10 pick, especially when free agency is full of young, decent linebackers.

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[quote=freddyg12;775163]Makes sense, since the guy is earning such rave reviews. I think the possibility of them trading out of that pick makes sense too. It will cost them big $ to sign the #1 pick & a head coach, and I'm sure they'd like to have some picks to build on.

What's scary is the team w/the most ammo to do it is New England. They could package a no. of 1st day picks & draft Luck to groom him to replace Brady. That kind of trade would be out of character for NE, but finding a replacement for Brady wouldn't be.[/quote]

New England is too smart to do something like this. Brady isn't going anywhere for several more years. He's at the top of his game and is one of the most durable QB's in the NFL. I see him playing into his late 30's.

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[quote=Terpfan76;775313]I'm not all that high on Mallett. If he could be had in the second round, I'd be cool with him or Locker there, but not with the #10 pick. If we stay at the ten, we should be able to draft and impact rush linebacker. Tandem that with Orakpo and our 3-4 defense suddenly looks much better. The way Joseph played on the line near the end of the season, I think we can look for depth there as opposed to instant impact. A free safety at some point it a must. Kevin Barnes may be the answer but we'll have to see if he can make the transition. I'm of the mind that he can.[/quote]

I'm not either. He reminds me of David Klingler. Plus his feet are like bricks.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;775395]I honestly don't think our LB corps is as bad as some people think - certainly we need to address our DL before LB as far as our defense goes. You'd have a hard time convincing me we should take a LB at 10 overall - Blades, Fletcher, and Riley will be solid in the middle. Orkapo is obviously a very good starting OLB and Lorenzo Alexander and Rob Jackson are not bad enough that i would replace them with a top 10 pick, especially when free agency is full of young, decent linebackers.[/quote]

Well, Fletcher's not getting any younger. Blades is decent but I don't see him as much more than a backup. Riley, I like. Carter and Rocky could both be gone. Wilson is one dimensional. Alexander and Rob Jackson are decent but not sure they have what it takes to be 16 (18?) game starters. Maybe in a platoon situation. Especially, Alexander. Not so much because he's not good but because he's asked to do so much. You could see him wearing down toward the end.

They played some of their best football against Jacksonville when Orakpo was not playing. Of course, I'm not saying they're a better team without Orakpo. But without him they were more unpredictable. I believe they need someone who can line up on the opposite side of Orakpo and inflict much of the same damage he can.

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The LB corps definitely needs some work. We could really use a stud 3-4 run stuffing type. And a guy that can bring some heat opposite Orakpo would go a long way too.

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[quote=SBXVII;775379]Interesting comment from J.Jones about the pending lockout....



[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/04/comments-from-jerry-richardson-jerry-jones-suggest-lockout-is-coming/"]Comments from Jerry Richardson, Jerry Jones suggest lockout is coming | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

Should I start working out now? lol. I wonder how much scrubs make?[/quote]

Could this happen again like 87? I sure hope not. In the end the players are going to have to bend, even though the owners are being greedy. They're making a ton of TV money.

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So if not Luck, then who do you guys think the Panthers should take no. 1? Consensus seems to be Fairley