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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;772507]I get the impression that Bulger enjoys his role up here. He also has a legitimate shot at earning a ring if he stays in B-more.[/quote]

Getting a chance to play usually takes priority over winning a ring as a backup.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;772626]Getting a chance to play usually takes priority over winning a ring as a backup.[/quote]

At his age? Isn't he Joey Galloway era? I think my grandfather used to tell me stories about watching him play when he was a kid.

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[quote=cdskins26;772271]This draft is definitely weaker towards the top with offensive linemen.

[B]Last year, at 4-12 our defense was still top 10-12, and one year later we are 28-31. There is definitely some to blame on the coordinator when we didnt lose a whole lot on defense.[/B][/quote]

Well, that's the thing -- we DID lose a whole lot on defense: Good performances from the players; namely Kedric Golston, Maake Kemoeatu, and Rocky McIntosh. Losing Landry didn't help matters this year, either.

And let's not make last year's D into the 2000 Ravens. Yes, they were good statistically, but not in terms of takeaways or stopping opponents when they absolutely had to. Some of the decline we've seen this year can be traced back to changes in scheme, and some mistakes with coaching, but by far I'd say it's performance related. The guys up front just aren't that good.

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[quote=skinsfan57;772440]in the washington post today mentioned marc bulger could be brought in for training camp next year.skins don't need more vet QB's.[/quote]

The article also pointed out the probability of that not happening. Same way for other QB's expected to go in next year's draft.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;772626]Getting a chance to play usually takes priority over winning a ring as a backup.[/quote]

sometimes players want a chance to win a ring before they retire, but I do see your point about the all mighty $ taking priority.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;772672]sometimes players want a chance to win a ring before they retire, but I do see your point about the all mighty $ taking priority.[/quote]

Well I was just talking about flat out playing. Unlike virtually every other position where you can at least contribute with special teams QB's during Super Bowl runs QB's are practically chained to the sidelines. It's nice to be on a winning team but if you're not even getting on the field it's excruciating.

Then again if you're hanging on trying to build a little wealth then fewer jobs are better then getting six figures for holding a clip board while the QB on the field runs not only from defenders but the media as well.

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NO OLD QB'S like Marc Bulger. NO NO NO. We are not going old patchwork anymore we are going young. Resign Grossman to a 1 year extension and let him start next year and keep letting Beck develop as a backup qb. Unless the SKINS can get Luck (no trading away picks anymore either) they should not draft a qb this year. We need a lot of help at the other positions on this roster before we are going to be able to win.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;772717]NO OLD QB'S like Marc Bulger. NO NO NO. We are not going old patchwork anymore we are going young. Resign Grossman to a 1 year extension and let him start next year and keep letting Beck develop as a backup qb. Unless the SKINS can get Luck (no trading away picks anymore either) they should not draft a qb this year. We need a lot of help at the other positions on this roster before we are going to be able to win.[/quote]


AGAIN John Beck is 29! He's not and will never be in our plans as a starting QB

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[quote=skinsfaninok;772719]AGAIN John Beck is 29! He's not and will never be in our plans as a starting QB[/quote]

I said keep developing him as a BACKUP QB. That means 2nd string you can be 33 and be a solid back up QB, actually you want our backup to be a little older and more experienced.

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i'm sorry to say. but i think it will be grossman. why else would they be giving him the opportunity now

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Cam Newton and Jake Locker will be long gone.Luck is 50/50 to stay in school.if Ryan Mallett is there,you would be crazy not to pick him.if he is already gone,take a running back #1.there will be plenty of good QBs in the 3rd-6th rds.:food-smil

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oh yeah,Grossman should start in 2011,unless a rookie wins the job outright.

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Two guys I would like to see the team look into bringing to compete for the spot occupied by Beck into through free agency are Leinart (who knows the system after backing up Schuab in Houston) and Marc Bulger. Beck will mainly get his shot next year during preseason....assuming there is a preseason.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;773499]Two guys I would like to see the team look into bringing to compete for the spot occupied by Beck into through free agency are Leinart (who knows the system after backing up Schuab in Houston) and Marc Bulger. Beck will mainly get his shot next year during preseason....assuming there is a preseason.[/quote]

Rather have Bulger back up than Leinart :vomit:

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[quote=skinsfaninok;773500]Rather have Bulger back up than Leinart :vomit:[/quote]

Winner winner chicken dinner.

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I think Bulger is happy in Baltimore.don't see him leaving there unless he is released.

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[quote=skinsfan57;773511]I think Bulger is happy in Baltimore.don't see him leaving there unless he is released.[/quote]

I don't know. Despite the circus that was McNabb this past year I'm pretty sure Bulger would at least be intrigued by the chance to realistically compete for a starting job under Shanahan rather then compete for a Super Bowl as a backup in Baltimore. Like I said before it's nice to be on a winning team, but it sucks when you're almost guaranteed to never see the field on gameday and unlike high school and college you don't usually see coaches putting in the backup QB when the score gets out of hand.

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Grossman has been pretty poor in two games. I don't think he's done anything to hurt or help his chances of being with the Redskins next season, as I think he's merely out there to execute the offense as Kyle wants it to be executed. It hasn't been pretty, and I don't think he's executing it better than McNabb was, but I do think he's proving the point that McNabb was one of many problems with the offense. Quarterback needs to be fixed, and Grossman isn't really even a temporary solution.

It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Grossman started three or four games next year to ease in a rookie, but it would signify a roster that is still very weak on the offensive end. For all the problems the Redskins have been through, it's not a travesty that Rex is playing. I do get the feeling that some fans are seeing his performance as "something they could temporarily live with".

It's the worst level of QB play we will have seen since pre-Ramsey days, based on the last two games and Grossman's career to date. If it's about implementing "a system", then fine, but Grossman is rated 15th on my list of free agent quarterbacks next year...and only two of those players (Manning + Vick) will be unobtainable for the Redskins.

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[quote=GTripp0012;773517]Grossman has been pretty poor in two games. I don't think he's done anything to hurt or help his chances of being with the Redskins next season, as I think he's merely out there to execute the offense as Kyle wants it to be executed. It hasn't been pretty, and I don't think he's executing it better than McNabb was, but I do think he's proving the point that McNabb was one of many problems with the offense. Quarterback needs to be fixed, and Grossman isn't really even a temporary solution.

It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Grossman started three or four games next year to ease in a rookie, but it would signify a roster that is still very weak on the offensive end. For all the problems the Redskins have been through, it's not a travesty that Rex is playing. I do get the feeling that some fans are seeing his performance as "something they could temporarily live with".

It's the worst level of QB play we will have seen since pre-Ramsey days, based on the last two games and Grossman's career to date. [B] If it's about implementing "a system", then fine, but Grossman is rated 15th on my list of free agent quarterbacks next year[/B]...and only two of those players (Manning + Vick) will be unobtainable for the Redskins.[/quote]

Curious, what are your ratings at the QB, G and WR positions if you don't mind sharing..

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Top 9 of each.

[U]QBs[/U]

Manning
Vick
Leinart
Matt Moore
Seneca Wallace
Tarvaris Jackson
Tyler Thigpen
Mark Bulger
Alex Smith

[U]OLs[/U]

Logan Mankins
Ryan Kalil
Robert Gallery
Tyson Clabo
Davin Joseph
Doug Free
Harvey Dahl
Olin Kreutz
Jared Gaither

[U]WRs[/U]

Sidney Rice
Vincent Jackson
Steve Breaston
Giants Steve Smith
Malcom Floyd
Santana Moss
Braylon Edwards
Santonio Holmes
Mark Clayton

This is not a system specific list, and would be re-ordered for the Redskins purposes (which would obviously bump Grossman up a bit due to system familiarity).

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^I forgot about Leinart...that might not be a bad option for us at QB. I like Davin Joseph and Mankins at Guard. I prefer Jackson in your WRs...but the top 4 are all pretty close talent wise

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Watching the (insert random sponsor) bowl and am NOT impressed by Locker at all. Heath Shuler 2.0, if not worse.

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[quote=GTripp0012;773521]Top 9 of each.

[U]QBs[/U]

Manning
Vick
Leinart
Matt Moore
Seneca Wallace
Tarvaris Jackson
Tyler Thigpen
Mark Bulger
Alex Smith

[U]OLs[/U]
[B]
Logan Mankins[/B]
[B]Ryan Kalil[/B]
Robert Gallery
Tyson Clabo
[B]Davin Joseph[/B]
Doug Free
Harvey Dahl
Olin Kreutz
Jared Gaither

[U]WRs[/U]

[B]Sidney Rice[/B]
Vincent Jackson
[B]Steve Breaston[/B]
Giants Steve Smith
[B]Malcom Floyd[/B]
Santana Moss
Braylon Edwards
Santonio Holmes
Mark Clayton

This is not a system specific list, and would be re-ordered for the Redskins purposes (which would obviously bump Grossman up a bit due to system familiarity).[/quote]



These 6 are the best on the list that actually may hit the market..

Manning,Vick,VJAX aren't going anywhere. I also think we bring 89 back

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[quote=Paintrain;773526]Watching the (insert random sponsor) bowl and am NOT impressed by Locker at all. Heath Shuler 2.0, if not worse.[/quote]

Agree, not very accurate at all

God bless Lou Holtz but my god I can't understand the guy especially when he starts talking fast

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[quote=Paintrain;773526]Watching the (insert random sponsor) bowl and am NOT impressed by Locker at all. Heath Shuler 2.0, if not worse.[/quote]

every pass is out of bounds. lets draft a winning quarterback. preferably ryan mallett.

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The guy who would be really, really good here as quarterback is Carson Palmer.

With that said, you can't make the Bengals give him up for a really small pricetag. And it wouldn't make sense if they actually wanted to get return on their investment. But the Bengals are cheap, and if they actually do plan on drafting Ryan Mallett to jumpstart a rebuilding project, they'd essentially take little value to sell Palmer's contract. So you could get a very valuable QB for a fourth round pick, and in the process, help set the market for McNabb.

Alternatively, I think that Chad Henne could be a nice target in a McNabb deal. Miami gets McNabb. We get Henne and a sixth round draft choice. I don't think he'd be as good of an acquisition as Palmer. But better and cheaper than, say, Kyle Orton.

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[quote=cdskins26;773529]every pass is out of bounds. lets draft a winning quarterback. preferably ryan mallett.[/quote]

He's throwing passes out of bounds because none of his receivers can get open... He's doing a nice job managing the game. He reminds me of a tougher, less accurate Steve Young. I think he's going to be a good one. We'll be lucky if we have the opportunity to draft him, and if we do I'll be ecstatic.

Mallett cannot roll out like a Shanahan QB, I'd take Newton before him anyway.

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Not to hijack the thread but I like this guy as a NT.

[url=http://washington.scout.com/a.z?s=147&p=8&c=1&nid=2195420]Scout.com: Alameda Ta'amu Profile[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;773533]Not to hijack the thread but I like this guy as a NT.

[url=http://washington.scout.com/a.z?s=147&p=8&c=1&nid=2195420]Scout.com: Alameda Ta'amu Profile[/url][/quote]

Me too... Wash RB Polk runs really hard as well

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[quote=DGreene28;773532]He's throwing passes out of bounds because none of his receivers can get open... He's doing a nice job managing the game. He reminds me of a tougher, less accurate Steve Young. I think he's going to be a good one. We'll be lucky if we have the opportunity to draft him, and if we do I'll be ecstatic.

Mallett cannot roll out like a Shanahan QB, I'd take Newton before him anyway.[/quote]Defensive back domination of his receivers is why his statlines against Nebraska have been so poor this year, but it's not an excuse for missing receiver windows by as much as he does. Locker struggles to command the football when he's not moving in the direction of his target.

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[quote=GTripp0012;773535]Defensive back domination of his receivers is why his statlines against Nebraska have been so poor this year, but it's not an excuse for missing receiver windows by as much as he does. Locker struggles to command the football when he's not moving in the direction of his target.[/quote]

I hear you, he's definitely not ready to start week one... But I think he will be a really good QB in the NFL. After Luck he's my next choice

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According to my college passers spreadsheet....

For Mallett: Matt Ryan is pretty close, JaMarcus Russell is pretty close, Josh Freeman is probably the closest, Kyle Orton and Vince Young are in the neighborhood.

For Newton: Really close to Mark Sanchez, not close at all to anyone else.

For Ponder: Nearly identical to Jimmy Clausen, John Beck is close, Troy Smith is kinda close, Joe Flacco is kinda close, Brian Brohm is pretty close, Matt Leinart is close, as well as Kellen Clemens and Dan Orlovsky. Those comparable conjure up a lot of epic fails, but some successes and I'd take that over what I'm getting for Newton.

For Devlin: Not surprisingly, Joe Flacco. Dennis Dixon, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Sean Canfield.

For Locker: Jay Cutler is closest. Also close: Tarvaris Jackson, Tyler Thigpen, Matt Stafford. Andrew Walter and Derek Anderson also really close.

For Gabbert: Matt Moore is really close, JaMarcus Russell is close, Joe Flacco is close, Josh Freeman is pretty close, Vince Young is closest, Ryan Fitzpatrick is in the neighborhood. Tony Pike and Bill Stull are the most recent ones who are similar. Gabbert looks GREAT next year at this time if he stays in school. Then he looks like Sam Bradford.

For Foles: See Devlin. Numbers, despite differences in competition, are near identical.

For Kaepernick: Kevin Kolb, Brady Quinn, Chad Henne, Jay Cutler, Kyle Orton, Charlie Whitehurst.

All of these estimations are really premature.

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[quote=GTripp0012;773530][B]The guy who would be really, really good here as quarterback is Carson Palmer.[/B]
With that said, you can't make the Bengals give him up for a really small pricetag. And it wouldn't make sense if they actually wanted to get return on their investment. But the Bengals are cheap, and if they actually do plan on drafting Ryan Mallett to jumpstart a rebuilding project, they'd essentially take little value to sell Palmer's contract. So you could get a very valuable QB for a fourth round pick, and in the process, help set the market for McNabb.

Alternatively, I think that Chad Henne could be a nice target in a McNabb deal. Miami gets McNabb. We get Henne and a sixth round draft choice. I don't think he'd be as good of an acquisition as Palmer. But better and cheaper than, say, Kyle Orton.[/quote]

This would be best case scenario outside of drafting Luck. Palmer has gotten a little of the Philly McNabb scapegoat treatment surprisingly outta cincy...I think there is going to be massive change up there in the offseason, Palmer coming to the Skins would be a dream

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[quote=GTripp0012;773517]Grossman has been pretty poor in two games. I don't think he's done anything to hurt or help his chances of being with the Redskins next season, as I think he's merely out there to execute the offense as Kyle wants it to be executed. It hasn't been pretty, and I don't think he's executing it better than McNabb was, but I do think he's proving the point that McNabb was one of many problems with the offense. Quarterback needs to be fixed, and Grossman isn't really even a temporary solution.

It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Grossman started three or four games next year to ease in a rookie, but it would signify a roster that is still very weak on the offensive end. For all the problems the Redskins have been through, it's not a travesty that Rex is playing. I do get the feeling that some fans are seeing his performance as "something they could temporarily live with".

It's the worst level of QB play we will have seen since pre-Ramsey days, based on the last two games and Grossman's career to date. If it's about implementing "a system", then fine, but Grossman is rated 15th on my list of free agent quarterbacks next year...and only two of those players (Manning + Vick) will be unobtainable for the Redskins.[/quote]

Have you been watching the games???You are smoking crack. Grossman hasn't looked bad... He threw for over 300 yards, and 4 touchdowns against the cowgirls. Not sure, but last time I checked that is pretty good quarterbacking.

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Saw the ESPN projection board this morning on the draft. Has Cam at #12..........much can and WILL change before draft day.............BUT.....interesting

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[quote=GTripp0012;773530]The guy who would be really, really good here as quarterback is Carson Palmer.

With that said, you can't make the Bengals give him up for a really small pricetag. And it wouldn't make sense if they actually wanted to get return on their investment. But the Bengals are cheap, and if they actually do plan on drafting Ryan Mallett to jumpstart a rebuilding project, they'd essentially take little value to sell Palmer's contract. So you could get a very valuable QB for a fourth round pick, and in the process, help set the market for McNabb.

Alternatively, I think that Chad Henne could be a nice target in a McNabb deal. Miami gets McNabb. We get Henne and a sixth round draft choice. I don't think he'd be as good of an acquisition as Palmer. But better and cheaper than, say, Kyle Orton.[/quote]

We'll just give you Henne and you can keep McNabb, ok?.

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[QUOTE=Hog1;773570]Saw the ESPN projection board this morning on the draft. Has Cam at #12..........much can and WILL change before draft day.............BUT.....interesting[/QUOTE]

Cam Newton is my decoy. I want his stock to sore before the draft and give us a better chance between getting our pick of the litter with QB's that have actually played for more then one year. Heck if things go well enough and an official rookie wage scale is implemented we could even trade down and still end up with out guy. In the mean time bring back Mark Rypien.

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I really hope we don't bring in Cam Newton ... I sincerely believe the guy has bust written all over him

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[quote=rbanerjee23;774709]I really hope we don't bring in Cam Newton ... I sincerely believe the guy has bust written all over him[/quote]

Another 1 year wonder

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Kyle Orton, Alex Smith, Rex Grossman. One of these 3 guys will be our QB.