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[quote=Lotus;792303]Suddenly I like Kiper a lot more. Personally I prefer Cam Jordan - I think he's just a solid, safe pick - but Watt and Ponder would make me smile.[/quote]

This is how much Kiper knows....
:Flush:

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[quote=Dirtbag59;792350]Sooooo. Does anyone still want this guy?
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=6301305]NFL draft 2011: Florida Gators center Mike Pouncey expects to join Dallas Cowboys in 2011 - ESPN Dallas[/url][/quote]

Count me out.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;792358]Nevertheless, it sounds more like a want then a prediction, and anyone that WANTS to join the Cowboys is 2's in my book (as opposed to aces). I mean who was the last Cowboy we had? Brandon Noble?[/quote]

Now I see...emphasis on WANTS to be a Cowpie. Excellent point. That boy needs a lobotomy.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;792358]Nevertheless, it sounds more like a want then a prediction, and anyone that WANTS to join the Cowboys is 2's in my book (as opposed to aces). I mean who was the last Cowboy we had? Brandon Noble?[/quote]

Who now does football talk every friday during the season on DC101. AND lives in Philly. LOL. I think it would be more of a 7-2 off suit if we are referring to cards.

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[quote=Lotus;792369]Now I see...emphasis on WANTS to be a Cowpie. Excellent point. That boy needs a lobotomy.[/quote]

He warrants it. So young....so sad.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;792350]Sooooo. Does anyone still want this guy?
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=6301305]NFL draft 2011: Florida Gators center Mike Pouncey expects to join Dallas Cowboys in 2011 - ESPN Dallas[/url][/quote]

He's not getting drafted at #9, and unless the Cowboys move up to the bottom of the first round, he might be somewhere else.

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[url=http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=5185]Uncanny Mock extended[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;792442][url=http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=5185]Uncanny Mock extended[/url][/quote]

I could live with that.

Im really hoping we can move down in either round (both would be great) and get more picks.

The more I think about Carlos being a d*ckhead and wanting an extreme amount of money, the more I think Prince would be very good value at 10.

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[quote=Chico23231;792445]I could live with that.

Im really hoping we can move down in either round (both would be great) and get more picks.

The more I think about Carlos being a d*ckhead and wanting an extreme amount of money, the more I think Prince would be very good value at 10.[/quote]

Carlos really isn't that bad a guy, he just got himself in a bad situation.

Just think though if we drafted Prince whenever he made a game saving/winning play we could all yell "Game. Blouses!"

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If we draft Prince at #10 and then let Carlos walk it will feel like we are just spinning our wheels to me...

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[quote=celts32;792449]If we draft Prince at #10 and then let Carlos walk it will feel like we are just spinning our wheels to me...[/quote]

Me too.

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[quote=celts32;792449]If we draft Prince at #10 and then let Carlos walk it will feel like we are just spinning our wheels to me...[/quote]

Yeah, I get that same feeling. To make this is a failure of the FO, because when you draft and develop talent before we get to this point, good management will lock him up, mitigating crazy contracts numbers. I know Carlos is not a probowl corner, but he has above good coverage skills.

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[quote=Chico23231;792452]Yeah, I get that same feeling. To make this is a failure of the FO, because when you draft and develop talent before we get to this point, good management will lock him up, mitigating crazy contracts numbers. I know Carlos is not a probowl corner, but he has above good coverage skills.[/quote]

I don't know that you could pin Carlos' departure on poor management really.

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Hard to lock up a guy that doesn't want to be locked up. This is on Los for having unrealstic contract expectations.

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[quote=SmootSmack;792454]I don't know that you could pin Carlos' departure on poor management really.[/quote]

Did we ever offer him an extention at any point? I didnt know if we did. Ill use Cooley as example where we did a good job around the same era with a good contract extention.

If we gain another hole in the D at CB, is the moving Philip Buchanon into the stater role the plan SS? That would be kinda scary IMO.

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[quote=Chico23231;792463]Did we ever offer him an extention at any point? I didnt know if we did. Ill use Cooley as example where we did a good job around the same era with a good contract extention.

If we gain another hole in the D at CB, is the moving Philip Buchanon into the stater role the plan SS? That would be kinda scary IMO.[/quote]

Officially I don't know if an offer was made, but they definitely spoke. Rogers made some really poor financial decisions, rendering him basically broke. He's starting to pull out of it but he needs a lot of money. He's not likely to get that here

PB's a free agent too, but I think he stays (just my gut though). Barnes was asked to, and did, gain a lot of weight to move to safety...then we signed Atogwe and now he's being asked, and is, to lose the weight and move back to CB

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[quote=SmootSmack;792479]Officially I don't know if an offer was made, but they definitely spoke. Rogers made some really poor financial decisions, rendering him basically broke. He's starting to pull out of it but he needs a lot of money. He's not likely to get that here

PB's a free agent too, but I think he stays (just my gut though). Barnes was asked to, and did, gain a lot of weight to move to safety...then we signed Atogwe and now he's being asked, and is, to lose the weight and move back to CB[/quote]

Good info thanks. Wow its like a soap opera at CB and we didnt even mention the worst player in the NFL (according to this site) across from Los.

:cheeky-sm

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It's hard to pay a lot of money or use a high draft pick on a position thats only directly involved in no more then 10 plays a game. However Corner these days has become a pretty safe position. Almost, if not safer, then drafting a Left Tackle. At least in the top 10.

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[url]http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/28317804?source=rss_blogs_NFL%20Draft[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;792544][url=http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/28317804?source=rss_blogs_NFL%20Draft]Only Seahawks show up for McElroy's Pro Day - CBSSports.com[/url][/quote]

Whoa, Josh Portis is available in this draft!??!!??! BTW who's this Greg McElroy? Is he like a Fullback or something?

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Redskins were on the clock today ON ESPN..

Basically they said we will suck again in 2011..

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[url=http://prod.www.redskins.clubs.nfl.com/news-and-events/article-1/Virginia-Techs-Williams-Eager-To-be-Main-Man/bd8d8fd4-c7f1-401b-a6fc-7a0e1a929d34]Virginia Tech's Williams Eager To be Main Man[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;792556]Redskins were on the clock today ON ESPN..

Basically they said we will suck again in 2011..[/quote]

I seen that segment too. Kiper says Quinn at 10, am I alone on this or does Quinn seem to have "bust" written all over him?

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[quote=BuckSkin;792564]I seen that segment too. Kiper says Quinn at 10, am I alone on this or does Quinn seem to have "bust" written all over him?[/quote]

I doubt it. Had he not been unfairly singled out by the NCAA he would likely have been a top 3 pick this year.

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^^ I worry about Quinn also but the guy with Bust for me is Julio Jones, for some reason I see him being another Charles Rogers

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I've read a couple of pieces which describe Quinn as "overrated."

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[quote=skinsfaninok;792567]^^ I worry about Quinn also but the guy with Bust for me is Julio Jones, for some reason I see him being another Charles Rogers[/quote]

Nahh, Julio is more like a grittier version of Ashley Lelie. Apparently though if Jones develops properly, his skillset will compare favorably to a faster Anquan Boldin.

Plus Jones isn't a sure thing. Rogers coming out was as safe as they come. Funny how him and Gallery both busted pretty hard in their respective drafts, though Gallery was able to salvage his career.

My personal bust belongs to Bowers. 1 year wonder with knee problems. Reminds me a little of Courtney Brown.

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[URL="http://youtu.be/zVeWn3bwWTg"]YouTube - Justin Blackmon vs. Prince Amukamara (2010)[/URL]



Prince played good at times but really got beat bad a few plays

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lol We're all experts here and we do have a clue.....borrowed maybe, but a clue nontheless. :)

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-league/post/making-a-mockery-of-the-draft/2011/04/07/AFfArrvC_blog.html]Making a mockery of the draft - The League - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;792658]lol We're all experts here and we do have a clue.....borrowed maybe, but a clue nontheless. :)

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-league/post/making-a-mockery-of-the-draft/2011/04/07/AFfArrvC_blog.html]Making a mockery of the draft - The League - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Good read Longtime. It is funny how we act like we know what will happen when really no one knows.

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[quote=Lotus;792667]Good read Longtime. It is funny how we act like we know what will happen when really no one knows.[/quote]

There is something different about the NFL Draft. Granted, you have to be a real sports dork to care about things like drafts--but if you do, there is nothing quite as intriguing. Every team has the possibility of filling all the various holes that their fans have spent months screaming about. Every player, no matter how nondescript, is a potential gem, an all-star-in-waiting.

But the NFL Draft is full of complexities, which has largely to do with the high level of specialization in the NFL these days. There are two ways that a team can significantly change itself in the draft. It can draft a dominant player, who'll simply make the team better. Or it can draft a domino player--someone who makes some aspect of the team (like the pass rush, or a nickel package, or third-down efficiency) better, in turn making an entire side of the ball better, in turn making the team better. The inexact science of sports is well-documented, certainly, and there is a great deal of science in trying to figure out the many variables that go into drafting a player and signing him to a multi-million dollar contract.

It's difficult to figure out which players are best in a game situation, and it's even tougher to figure out where they fit in the scheme of a given team. NFL teams spend millions of dollars on scouting services and people who can sort through all the stats and stories....and... "they still don't have a clue"

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[quote=Longtimefan;792658]lol We're all experts here and we do have a clue.....borrowed maybe, but a clue nontheless. :)

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-league/post/making-a-mockery-of-the-draft/2011/04/07/AFfArrvC_blog.html]Making a mockery of the draft - The League - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Most fans know the mock drafts are a joke but they are fun to look at. Getting a mock draft right is not really the job of guys like Kiper and Mayock IMO. Their job is to study the players in depth so that they can give an educated opinion on them. They are like scouts who are not employed by a team so they are able to give their honest opinion before the draft. This opinion will be wrong often just like the teams scouts opinions will be wrong but that doesn't mean it's not an educated opinion. That's different from your average sports writer who has looked at no tape on the players and throws together a mock draft.

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[quote=celts32;792681]Most fans know the mock drafts are a joke but they are fun to look at. Getting a mock draft right is not really the job of guys like Kiper and Mayock IMO. Their job is to study the players in depth so that they can give an educated opinion on them. They are like scouts who are not employed by a team so they are able to give their honest opinion before the draft. This opinion will be wrong often just like the teams scouts opinions will be wrong but that doesn't mean it's not an educated opinion. That's different from your average sports writer who has looked at no tape on the players and throws together a mock draft.[/quote]

You nailed it Celts'.

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[quote=celts32;792681]Most fans know the mock drafts are a joke but they are fun to look at. Getting a mock draft right is not really the job of guys like Kiper and Mayock IMO. Their job is to study the players in depth so that they can give an educated opinion on them. They are like scouts who are not employed by a team so they are able to give their honest opinion before the draft. This opinion will be wrong often just like the teams scouts opinions will be wrong but that doesn't mean it's not an educated opinion. That's different from your average sports writer who has looked at no tape on the players and throws together a mock draft.[/quote]

The prelude to that link was rooted in slight sarcasm. Your point however, is well taken and well understood.

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[quote=Longtimefan;792679]There is something different about the NFL Draft. Granted, you have to be a real sports dork to care about things like drafts--but if you do, there is nothing quite as intriguing. Every team has the possibility of filling all the various holes that their fans have spent months screaming about. Every player, no matter how nondescript, is a potential gem, an all-star-in-waiting.

But the NFL Draft is full of complexities, which has largely to do with the high level of specialization in the NFL these days. There are two ways that a team can significantly change itself in the draft. It can draft a dominant player, who'll simply make the team better. Or it can draft a domino player--someone who makes some aspect of the team (like the pass rush, or a nickel package, or third-down efficiency) better, in turn making an entire side of the ball better, in turn making the team better. The inexact science of sports is well-documented, certainly, and there is a great deal of science in trying to figure out the many variables that go into drafting a player and signing him to a multi-million dollar contract.

It's difficult to figure out which players are best in a game situation, and it's even tougher to figure out where they fit in the scheme of a given team. NFL teams spend millions of dollars on scouting services and people who can sort through all the stats and stories....and... "they still don't have a clue"[/quote]

Mock Draft experts are like baseball players. Even if you're out up to 70% of the time you're still one of the best in the game.

But there's really no way to fully know what teams are thinking. Even people, such as people in the media, who have more access and info than the general public still don't have access to I'd say 60% (if not more) of what teams are discussing/thinking

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[quote=Mattyk;792442][URL="http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=5185"]Uncanny Mock extended[/URL][/quote]

Jones and Dalton...I'd take that for sure.

We better find some good FA offensive linemen and a NT though...or use ALL remaining picks on the line.

Why waste a pick on a safety though? We have 2 VERY solid starters and sufficient depth already.

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[quote=SmootSmack;792686]Mock Draft experts are like baseball players. Even if you're out up to 70% of the time you're still one of the best in the game.

But there's really no way to fully know what teams are thinking. Even people, such as people in the media, who have more access and info than the general public still don't have access to I'd say 60% (if not more) of what teams are discussing/thinking[/quote]

So right you are about baseball. Hitting safely three out of ten times can land you a hefty contract.

The vast majority of media mocks (in their vocal description) leave the impression as factual based, with 60% or less knowledge of team(s) thinking to help comprise their process, we learn to love or not trust the likes of Mel Kiper and others like him when talking about the NFL draft.

There is no way you can talk about the draft and not mention Kiper as something we love, or hate about the draft, but the draft wouldn't be the same without him, he's become an institution there.

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[quote=SmootSmack;792686]Mock Draft experts are like baseball players. Even if you're out up to 70% of the time you're still one of the best in the game.

[B]But there's really no way to fully know what teams are thinking.[/B] Even people, such as people in the media, who have more access and info than the general public still don't have access to I'd say 60% (if not more) of what teams are discussing/thinking[/quote]

True. But even if we did know fully what teams thought, it only takes one trade to make the dominos fall differently, making the draft unpredictable to everyone.

This is on reason why when we have posted mock stuff here I have posted what I would do if I were Shanny, not predictions about what Shanny or someone else WILL do. As you indicated, teams have a lot of information that we don't. But even then, teams themselves don't know what they will do until they do it.

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[quote=Lotus;792707]True. But even if we did know fully what teams thought, it only takes one trade to make the dominos fall differently, making the draft unpredictable to everyone.

This is on reason why when we have posted mock stuff here I have posted what I would do if I were Shanny, not predictions about what Shanny or someone else WILL do. As you indicated, teams have a lot of information that we don't. But even then, teams themselves don't know what they will do until they do it.[/quote]

Absolutely. You never know when someone is going to take Darrius Hewyard-Bay with the 7th overall pick

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[quote=SmootSmack;792715]Absolutely. You never know when someone is going to take Darrius Hewyard-Bay with the 7th overall pick[/quote]

And you never know when the year will finally come and GM's actually take the BPA for the first 10 picks..........hah hahahahahahahahahaahahaha ROFL LOL LMAO!