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[quote=12thMan;823333]Haynesworth will be lucky if he's still on the active roster come Week 14.[/quote]

Agreed....[QUOTE] Maybe, by Week 14, the Redskins version of Haynesworth will have surfaced in New England and made Coach Hoodie wonder why he even bothered to put him on the roster.

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Rumor is AH is already getting Cut

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[url=http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/790541-pepper-albert-haynesworth.html]Pepper on Albert Haynesworth - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard[/url]

Some poor deluded souls in New England...lol

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[quote=NC_Skins;823344][url=http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/790541-pepper-albert-haynesworth.html]Pepper on Albert Haynesworth - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard[/url]

Some poor deluded souls in New England...lol[/quote]

I liked how one of the commenters said something to the effect of "Haynesworth will be better because Belichick is a displinarian."

Because, you know. Mike wasn't.

I'm kind of annoyed at Belichick, to be honest. Switching back to a 4-3 defense. I think if Mike knew that he wouldn't have traded there. He got traded to a 3-4 team for a reason. Haynesworth hasn't been practicing, but if he has anything close to a decent season we're going to hear about Bill's Patriot way.

Albert finally gets what he wants---a 4-3 team, and a coach who will probably let him do whatever he wants. Friggin' annoying.

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something to keep an eye on here.
Atlanta DT Korey Peters could be lost for the season after getting carted off the field today.

If this is the case, and being that this rumor has come up about AH possibly being cut, and the fact the patriots gave up a 5th rounder not even this year for him, don't be surprised if Atlanta's GM Tomas Demitroff(?) who was the former office man of the pats has BB trade him to the falcons for a 4th rounder..

just a speculation and possibility.


(this could also happen with Philly)

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Peters is only going to miss a few weeks, not the whole season

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[quote=SmootSmack;823364]Peters is only going to miss a few weeks, not the whole season[/quote]

Oh, nevermind, I thought I heard it was serious, like torn ACL serious

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[quote=NLC1054;823349]I liked how one of the commenters said something to the effect of "Haynesworth will be better because Belichick is a displinarian."

Because, you know. Mike wasn't.

I'm kind of annoyed at Belichick, to be honest. Switching back to a 4-3 defense. I think if Mike knew that he wouldn't have traded there. He got traded to a 3-4 team for a reason. Haynesworth hasn't been practicing, but if he has anything close to a decent season we're going to hear about Bill's Patriot way.

Albert finally gets what he wants---a 4-3 team, and a coach who will probably let him do whatever he wants. Friggin' annoying.[/quote]

Smart coach. Tailor your scheme to fit your players, not the other way around.

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[quote=Schneed10;823397]Smart coach. Tailor your scheme to fit your players, not the other way around.[/quote]

Yeah, when it comes to Haynesworth, nothing short of "let me do what I want and rush the quarterback on ever down" is "tailoring your scheme".

Also, taking a fat paycheck and then becoming a fat, lazy load who takes plays off doesn't tend to garner much respect.

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[quote=Longtimefan;823331]
"The chance to go against [I][B]Washington's weak offensive line [/B][/I]and send a message to [Mike] Shanahan will be all the fire he needs. Trust me, for that Sunday, if nothing else, Haynesworth will come alive."[/quote]

"Ermmm la feur, the Redskins........."

"The Redskins have fixed their offensive line through coaching, free agency, the draft, and trades."

*JLC slowly removes glasses*
"Anyone who had anything nice to say about the Redskins leave now"

Unfunny joke based on (fast forward to 0:24):
[YT]es9nvnvQ0dk[/YT]

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[quote=NLC1054;823349]I liked how one of the commenters said something to the effect of "Haynesworth will be better because Belichick is a displinarian."

Because, you know. Mike wasn't.

I'm kind of annoyed at Belichick, to be honest. Switching back to a 4-3 defense. I think if Mike knew that he wouldn't have traded there. He got traded to a 3-4 team for a reason. Haynesworth hasn't been practicing, but if he has anything close to a decent season we're going to hear about Bill's Patriot way.

Albert finally gets what he wants---a[B] 4-3 team, and a coach who will probably let him do whatever he wants.[/B] Friggin' annoying.[/quote]

That's one thing you cannot say about Belichick.

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[quote=Schneed10;823397]Smart coach. Tailor your scheme to fit your players, not the other way around.[/quote]

I think most coaches do a little of both.

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[quote=Mattyk;823456]I think most coaches do a little of both.[/quote]

I guess then what sets them apart is that some do it more effectively than others.

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[quote=NLC1054;823408]Yeah, when it comes to Haynesworth, nothing short of "let me do what I want and rush the quarterback on ever down" is "tailoring your scheme".

Also, taking a fat paycheck and then becoming a fat, lazy load who takes plays off doesn't tend to garner much respect.[/quote]

You have the sequence wrong here...

Albert Haynesworth was a lazy - - and anti-social - - toad who took plays off while he was at the Univ of Tennessee and when he played for the Tennessee Titans. Then he had a great year in his "contract year".

The Redskins "brain trust" ignored his career-long history of being a lazy, anti-social toad and loooked only at his "contract year performance". Then they handed him a monster contract somehow thinking that having all that money would change his natural behavior. Two words here: Not - - - Happening...

Then after a lackluster first year here, the Redskins new "brain trust" handed him a check for $21M after he gave them "Scout's Honor" that he would do what the coaches told him to do. Two words here: Not - - - Happening...

Haynesworth was a toad before the Skins signed him; the Skins made him an uber-rich toad; now, he is behaving like a toad in New England. He is consistent in his "toad-ness". The Redskins took two years and about $30M to figure it out.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;823502]
[B]Then after a lackluster first year here, the Redskins new "brain trust" handed him a check for $21M after he gave them "Scout's Honor" that he would do what the coaches told him to do. Two words here: Not - - - Happening...[/B]

Haynesworth was a toad before the Skins signed him; the Skins made him an uber-rich toad; now, he is behaving like a toad in New England. He is consistent in his "toad-ness". The Redskins took two years and about $30M to figure it out.[/quote]

Lets be honest. That $21 million advance was given to him so it would be easier to move him from that point on without killing the cap should the worse come to pass. Obviously last year the worse did indeed come to pass. If I remember correctly there is no dead cap from the Haynesworth trade and if there is it's very little.

Basically Bruce Allen saw an opportunity to protect the teams future when the cap came back and decided to take advantage of the uncapped year.

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And that's why the whole "well Bruce Allen is almost a cap/contract guy" stuff is bunk, because even if it's true, what exactly is wrong with a guy who could do those kind of things?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;823567]Lets be honest. That $21 million advance was given to him so it would be easier to move him from that point on without killing the cap should the worse come to pass. Obviously last year the worse did indeed come to pass. If I remember correctly there is no dead cap from the Haynesworth trade and if there is it's very little.

Basically Bruce Allen saw an opportunity to protect the teams future when the cap came back and decided to take advantage of the uncapped year.[/quote]

Well, let's pretend that you are correct here for a moment.

If what you say is true, then the Redskins only owed Haynesworth something less than $21M as a roster bonus last April. I am not sure that is true, but let me assume it is. So how much less did they owe him? Let's assume it was only $15M for the sake of argument.

Your contention is that they paid Haynesworth $21M to protect their future salary cap and to make it easier to "move him on".

So, how did that work out?

Even if you give Bruce Allen genius points for tossing in a few extra millions of dollars to "protect the cap" and also to relieve future teams from the burden of the stupid contract, what they got for Haynesworth was this:
[INDENT]12 games of half-assed effort
4 games of suspension with the rest of the team giving a sign of relief
An off-season of question marks about Haynesworth
A low-round draft pick.[/INDENT]
Look at that record and tell me it was worth $21M - - or even $15M?

Would the Redskins be in worse shape today if they had simply released Haynesworth and not paid him a dime in April 2010? I really don't think so...

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that 21 mil check in april was guaranteed in the contract he signed with vinny at the helm, bruce had no way of making that 21 mil not guaranteed or not payable ... the skins had to pay him that money no matter what.

Mike met with AH right before that 21 mil was due and told AH that the skins would out right release him (so he could go to a 4-3 team) if he waived the 21 mil but if he accepted the 21 mil that Mike expected AH to report to camp and due whatever the skins asked him to do, including his joke about playing safety.

AH accpeted the money, the rest is history . . .

Now AH restructered his contract to make approx 1.5 mil this year and he isnt in camp. You know what I think . .he wants a new contract that wil pay him 8 plus mil a season. I guessin AH is waiting for the pats roster to be finalized before he and the pats talk about how much room they have to pay him in a new contract.

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And with that $21M bonus, he was basically untradeable until it was paid. It was a bad contract to begin with.

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[quote=over the mountain;824047]that 21 mil check in april was guaranteed in the contract he signed with vinny at the helm, bruce had no way of making that 21 mil not guaranteed or not payable ... the skins had to pay him that money no matter what.

Mike met with AH right before that 21 mil was due and told AH that the skins would out right release him (so he could go to a 4-3 team) if he waived the 21 mil but if he accepted the 21 mil that Mike expected AH to report to camp and due whatever the skins asked him to do, including his joke about playing safety.

AH accpeted the money, the rest is history . . .

[B]Now AH restructered his contract to make approx 1.5 mil this year and he isnt in camp. You know what I think . .he wants a new contract that wil pay him 8 plus mil a season. I guessin AH is waiting for the pats roster to be finalized before he and the pats talk about how much room they have to pay him in a new contract.[/quote][/B]

[B]Is this reason he's not practicing?[/B]

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82185833/article/witness-claims-50k-offered-for-testimony-vs-haynesworth]NFL.com news: Witness claims $50K offered for testimony vs. Haynesworth[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;824077][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82185833/article/witness-claims-50k-offered-for-testimony-vs-haynesworth]NFL.com news: Witness claims $50K offered for testimony vs. Haynesworth[/url][/quote]


Wait...wait...wait. So some waitress who's working a 2.00/hr job (plus tips) is supposedly offered 50K for this guys testimony? ROOOOOOFL.

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[quote=NC_Skins;824079]Wait...wait...wait. So some waitress who's working a 2.00/hr job (plus tips) is supposedly offered 50K for this guys testimony? ROOOOOOFL.[/quote]

A representative of hers.

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[quote=tryfuhl;824082]A representative of hers.[/quote]

I don't believe that guy for shit.


[quote]Davis also said in the affidavit that he was approached at work in April [U][B]by the hotel waitress [/B][/U]and by a man in a suit who she introduced as her attorney.[/quote]

Again, why would they be offering 50K for testimony in a criminal trial? Her lawyer would be District Attorney in this matter. This isn't a civil case. If anything, the guy is being paid by Haynesworth's camp to make up some bullshit.

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Lawyers know how to employ half-truths to sway the general public because the general public is too stupid to think for themselves and recognize THAT THEIR STANDARDS FOR JUDGING PEOPLE ARE OFTEN SHIT. That's why Brown and Williamson's lawyers made every effort to smear Jeffery Wigand by digging up past events and then distorting them.

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[quote=NC_Skins;824085]I don't believe that guy for shit.




Again, why would they be offering 50K for testimony in a criminal trial? Her lawyer would be District Attorney in this matter. This isn't a civil case. If anything, the guy is being paid by Haynesworth's camp to make up some bullshit.[/quote]

It reportedly wasn't her lawyer and tell me that you're not naive enough to believe that she wouldn't plan on this going to civil court and having hired her own council

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[quote=NC_Skins;824079]Wait...wait...wait. So some waitress who's working a 2.00/hr job (plus tips) is supposedly offered 50K for this guys testimony? ROOOOOOFL.[/quote]

This case is beginning to take on an all too familiar flavor. The question now becomes.....why would a witness be offered 50K for testimony to an incident he supposedly both saw as well as heard if not for the purpose of altering in some way what he originally testified too?

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Even if she files a civil suit for assualt, she realistically should not get that much.

Theres no real damages, she wasnt injured, probably didnt go to counseling for any claimed emotional distress . . .she could win on a civil suit and get a few k at most unless there is some kind of punitive (to punish the conduct) damage claim. She gets an award for compensation of her injuries, which aint much.

How much does a woman get for a one second titty grab? i say a few thousands. Damage to AH has already been by this allegation, a guilty verdict wont hurt all that much more ... except maybe a suspension.

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Please tell me that Haynesworth is going to get cut from the Patriots. I have an obnoxious Patriots fan on another forum that I am dying to LOL at when they do. He thinks Belicheat will turn Haynesworthless into a beast for years to come. Problem is, the guy hasn't practiced hardly at all so far.

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he hasn't practiced in nearly 3 years. he's a lump.

and can we pretty please stop talking about him. Thanks!

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I can't believe this freaking thread is still going. :doh:

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[quote=Longtimefan;824094]This case is beginning to take on an all too familiar flavor. The question now becomes.....why would a witness be offered 50K for testimony to an incident he supposedly both saw as well as heard if not for the purpose of altering in some way what he originally testified too?[/quote]

If I'm correct it maybe illegal to pay a witness unless they are a paid professional.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/guilty-plea-for-albert-haynesworth-staving-off-trial/2011/08/22/gIQAaRLlWJ_blog.html]No contest plea for Albert Haynesworth in assault, staving off trial - Crime Scene - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;825780][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/guilty-plea-for-albert-haynesworth-staving-off-trial/2011/08/22/gIQAaRLlWJ_blog.html]No contest plea for Albert Haynesworth in assault, staving off trial - Crime Scene - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]


So much for that bullshit claim by Haynesworth camp that a "witness" had been offered 50K for testimony against him.

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[quote=firstdown;825356]If I'm correct it maybe illegal to pay a witness unless they are a paid professional.[/quote]

You mean like an expert witness?

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[quote=SmootSmack;825780][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/guilty-plea-for-albert-haynesworth-staving-off-trial/2011/08/22/gIQAaRLlWJ_blog.html]No contest plea for Albert Haynesworth in assault, staving off trial - Crime Scene - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

If he stays out of trouble for 18 months the charge will be dropped...now that's a tall order for him.

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It's sooo nice that this jackass isn't our problem anymore

[url=http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view/2011_0823no_redeeming_qualities_haynesworth_impossible_to_defend_on_off_the_field/srvc=home&position=also]Haynesworth impossible to defend on, off the field - BostonHerald.com[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;826003]It's sooo nice that this jackass isn't our problem anymore

[URL="http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view/2011_0823no_redeeming_qualities_haynesworth_impossible_to_defend_on_off_the_field/srvc=home&position=also"]Haynesworth impossible to defend on, off the field - BostonHerald.com[/URL][/quote]

10 to 1 he's living in a town cal Fanklin Mass(next to Foxboro)alot of the Pats player lived there,it's all back roads to the stadium wanna bet he gets a speeding ticket sometime during the season.

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[quote=Mattyk;826003]It's sooo nice that this jackass isn't our problem anymore

[url=http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view/2011_0823no_redeeming_qualities_haynesworth_impossible_to_defend_on_off_the_field/srvc=home&position=also]Haynesworth impossible to defend on, off the field - BostonHerald.com[/url][/quote]

Smiling saying "go patriots"......class act

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[quote=Giantone;826010]10 to 1 he's living in a town cal Fanklin Mass(next to Foxboro)alot of the Pats player lived there,it's all back roads to the stadium wanna bet he gets a speeding ticket sometime during the season.[/quote]

I went to a two year school in Franklin Mass. It might be a good thing for him actually since it is a nice quiet town. We used to see members of the patriots around town from time to time.