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Apparently Milk is starting to get pissed too:

[IMG]http://www.verumserum.com/media/2011/10/I-am-the-2-percent-500x666.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/I-am-the-2-percent.jpg[/IMG]

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[url=http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Biggest-Public-Firms-Paid-nytimes-969088864.html?x=0&.v=1]Biggest Public Firms Paid Little U.S. Tax, Study Says - Yahoo! Finance[/url]

Any opinion on these FACTS. I have to emphasize facts in this thread. Little to none seem to be found other than NCSkins is an aggressive a$$hole. Just playin NC

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[url=http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/398503/preview-ganging-up-on-the-one-percent]Preview: Ganging Up on the One Percent (Season 15, Episode 12) - Video Clips - South Park Studios[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;855032]No[B], but you have implied that the vast majority are either vagrants looking for handouts or are just a bunch of jobless folks without a point.[/B]



It's quotes like the above (and others, I just wasn't going to cut and paste them all) that stereotype "99%" of the protestors as, essentially, dummies, ne'er-do-wells or people who either don't want to work or are living off others.

Obviously, many people involved are out of work which is part of the reason they are protesting, many people are part of SmootSmack's "Hey I am cool cause I am protesting" group, many - and I would suggest much more than the 1% you imply - are dedicated people with high ideals who are making real sacrifices to be there. What is clear from the various news outlets is that there are a wide wide spectrum of people involved and to lump them all in one category - either favorably or unfavorably - is wrong.[/quote]


Thats not true they do have a point. The other stuff is just true.

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<sigh> You have been reading to many liberal blogs and accepting their statements as fact. Fox news is not and has never been "banned" in Canada:

“[November, 2004] The conservative-leaning Fox News Channel will soon be coming to Canadian digital television channels. The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) approved an application Thursday to bring the Fox News Channel, one of the highest-rated news channels in the United States, onto Canadian digital airwaves. The Canadian Cable Telecommunications Association (CCTA) applied to the broadcast regulator in April. Canadians already have access to the main Fox network, but not the right-leaning, 24-hour news channel, with its trademarked slogan of ‘fair and balanced.’ ”

There was a point when Fox News had it’s application denied by the regulatory authority, but not due to any content related issues:

“The CRTC rejected a CCTA application to bring Fox to Canada last November [2003] because Fox News U.S. and Winnipeg-based Global Television were planning to create Fox News Canada, a combination of U.S. and Canadian news. However, in March, a Fox U.S. executive said there were no plans to create the combined channel.”

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2004/11/18/fox_crtc041118.html]CRTC approves Fox News for Canada - Canada - CBC News[/url]

In Canada, the Fox News Channel is currently available on: Access Communications, Bell TV, Cogeco, Eastlink, Manitoba Telecom Services, Rogers, SaskTel, Shaw Cable, Shaw Direct and Telus TV.

You don’t like the way Fox presents facts. Got it. At the same time,
[quote=NC_Skins;855026]You have to learn to take out the Repub vs Dem bullshit out to get the grit of the story.[/quote]
By the way, to be clear, when I use the word “you” in responding to your posts – I mean you, NC_Skins. Just as I believed that, when you used the term “you” above, you were referring to SS33 and implying he was either incapable of seeing or choosing not to see beyond “the Repub vs Dem bullshit”. Since this is the common use of English and the natural implication of your word and contextual placement, I suggest you clarify in the future if it is your intent to insult the general public when you say “you” rather than the particular poster.

By the way, just for clarification, in the post referenced above, which was the manner you intended: Were implying you’re smarter than everyone else b/c they can’t see beyond the bullshit or just smarter than SS33?

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[quote=Chico23231;855183][URL="http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Biggest-Public-Firms-Paid-nytimes-969088864.html?x=0&.v=1"]Biggest Public Firms Paid Little U.S. Tax, Study Says - Yahoo! Finance[/URL]

Any opinion on these FACTS. I have to emphasize facts in this thread. Little to none seem to be found other than NCSkins is an aggressive a$$hole. Just playin NC[/quote]

The problem with articles like that they give numbers and not many facts. They say that 280 of the biggest Corporations paid lower taxes but how many Corps did they actually review and how many paid more. Also how many cut their tax rates by doing things like Boeing did by hiring 9000 American workers (that's why I'm for taxs breaks for corps that hire because its more effective then just trying to dump 700 billion into creating jobs).

"Boeing officials said they, too, had paid some federal taxes, but would not say how much. They said they had lowered their rate by taking advantage of tax breaks intended to encourage hiring. Chaz Bickers, a company spokesman, said Boeing hired 9,000 American workers this year"

I don't have a problem making corps pay their far share and I don't have a problem hitting corps who move their office over seas to avoid paying taxes. I personally don't even understand how corps are taxed. I know they pay payroll taxes, and other taxes on purchases and stuff but if the corp passes the profits over to the stock holders what is left to tax? I've tried to look it up but never found anything that explains how they are taxed. I do understand how S corps are taxed because I am an S corp.

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[quote=mlmpetert;855181]Apparently Milk is starting to get pissed too:

[IMG]http://www.verumserum.com/media/2011/10/I-am-the-2-percent-500x666.jpg[/IMG]

[/quote]

The capri sun is really bothering me here. unless it was a roommate who did it to piss off his other roommate. then its pretty funny. their fridge is pretty cool.

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[quote=Chico23231;855183][url=http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Biggest-Public-Firms-Paid-nytimes-969088864.html?x=0&.v=1]Biggest Public Firms Paid Little U.S. Tax, Study Says - Yahoo! Finance[/url]

Any opinion on these FACTS. I have to emphasize facts in this thread. Little to none seem to be found other than NCSkins is an aggressive a$$hole. Just playin NC[/quote]

Good article. Several of the 280 corporations referenced appeared to have legitimate reasons for paying less taxes - deferred taxes to be paid in the future or significant business losses resulting in write-offs. At the same time, it is clear that the for ~ 25% of the corporations studied, the US's 35% corporate tax rate is just an illusion.

Obviously, through the elimination of inappropriate shelters/loopholes, the "real" corporate tax rate needs to be brought in line with that of other western nations. At the same time, the US rate of 35% is higher than any other comprable nation so part of any reform would require a lowering of the 35% rate across the board so that companies currently complying (again, about 25% per the article) would not be competitively penalized.

As with most things economic, the problem and/or solution can rarely be fully elicited in a blurb headline - hey, people need to get to the "grit of the story". [In so asserting, and as you, Chico, voiced no opinion on the matter, I am in no way asserting that you, Chico, are unable to do so - I do, however, w/hold judgment on NC_Skins' ability to do so - - ;)].

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[quote=firstdown;855189]The problem with articles like that they give numbers and not many facts. [B]They say that 280 of the biggest Corporations paid lower taxes but how many Corps did they actually review and how many paid more.[/B] Also how many cut their tax rates by doing things like Boeing did by hiring 9000 American workers (that's why I'm for taxs breaks for corps that hire because its more effective then just trying to dump 700 billion into creating jobs).

"Boeing officials said they, too, had paid some federal taxes, but would not say how much. They said they had lowered their rate by taking advantage of tax breaks intended to encourage hiring. Chaz Bickers, a company spokesman, said Boeing hired 9,000 American workers this year"

I don't have a problem making corps pay their far share and I don't have a problem hitting corps who move their office over seas to avoid paying taxes. I personally don't even understand how corps are taxed. I know they pay payroll taxes, and other taxes on purchases and stuff but if the corp passes the profits over to the stock holders what is left to tax? I've tried to look it up but never found anything that explains how they are taxed. I do understand how S corps are taxed because I am an S corp.[/quote]

Although I see where your confusion comes from about how many companies were studied - the opening line of the article lumps all 280 companies as failing to meet the 35% rate.

Here is the actual study and makes it clear that the study was of 280 companies - some of which paid the full 35% and some of which did not (I think the 18.5% was apparently an average of all the companies): [url]http://www.ctj.org/corporatetaxdodgers/CorporateTaxDodgersReport.pdf[/url]

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Okay, so here is where I am on the whole "Corporations Bad" thing:

1. Corporation's legal "personhood" needs to be re-examined. The US Code needs to be modiifed to differentiate between the practical need for corporations to have the ability to act as a "person" in the business world and the fact that doing so should not neccessarily entitle these companies to certain Constitutional rights which were intended to attach to the person (assembly, speech, search & seizure restrictions). Further, in light of the SCOTUS' rulings on this issue, a carefully crafted Constitutional Amendment is needed that sets forth the rights of "artificial persons". Not sure [I]exactly[/I] how this should look - but I'll get right on it and have something we, The Warpath, can submit to our various representatives. Is next Friday good for everyone?

2. The US corporate tax law needs serious revision. Corporations should be paying taxes in line with other countries that offer the same comparitive economic security as the US ([I]i.e.[/I] there is a benefit to doing business in the stable political/economic climate of a Germany, US or Britain as opposed to Mexico, Columbia or Angola). Based on the study Chico referenced, it would appear that this would require closing certain loopholes and shelters while, at the same time, lowering the statutory rate to one comprable to other western nations. Any volunteers to draft a revised corporate tax code for us? Anyone? Anyone? How about a committee of SS33, Lotus and NC_Skins? Get back to us with your result by next Friday please.

3. Executive pay: Somehow this needs to be addressed. The fact that, for many corporations, executive compensation is divorced from the success or failure of a company (i.e. the "Moral Hazard" mlpertert referenced earlier in the thread - I think it was mlpertert). Not sure, this is a tricky one for a lot of reasons. I suggest a working group of Smootsmack, Chico, saden1 and mlpertert analyze the problems and come up with possible proposals and come back to the group with a working solution by next Friday.

Firstdown, your job is just to keep bitching about the vagrants and hippies in Zuccotti Park.

Thanks everyone for playing. Let's work the problem boys. I want the Occupy Warpath Movement up and running by Thanksgiving.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;855200]Okay, so here is where I am on the whole "Corporations Bad" thing:

1. Corporation's legal "personhood" needs to be re-examined. The US Code needs to be modiifed to differentiate between the practical need for corporations to have the ability to act as a "person" in the business world and the fact that doing so should not neccessarily entitle these companies to certain Constitutional rights which were intended to attach to the person (assembly, speech, search & seizure restrictions). Further, in light of the SCOTUS' rulings on this issue, a carefully crafted Constitutional Amendment is needed that sets forth the rights of "artificial persons". Not sure [I]exactly[/I] how this should look - but I'll get right on it and have something we, The Warpath, can submit to our various representatives. Is next Friday good for everyone?

2. The US corporate tax law needs serious revision. Corporations should be paying taxes in line with other countries that offer the same comparitive economic security as the US ([I]i.e.[/I] there is a benefit to doing business in the stable political/economic climate of a Germany, US or Britain as opposed to Mexico, Columbia or Angola). Based on the study Chico referenced, it would appear that this would require closing certain loopholes and shelters while, at the same time, lowering the statutory rate to one comprable to other western nations. Any volunteers to draft a revised corporate tax code for us? Anyone? Anyone? How about a committee of SS33, Lotus and NC_Skins? Get back to us with your result by next Friday please.

3. Executive pay: Somehow this needs to be addressed. The fact that, for many corporations, executive compensation is divorced from the success or failure of a company (i.e. the "Moral Hazard" mlpertert referenced earlier in the thread - I think it was mlpertert). Not sure, this is a tricky one for a lot of reasons. I suggest a working group of Smootsmack, Chico, saden1 and mlpertert analyze the problems and come up with possible proposals and come back to the group with a working solution by next Friday.

Firstdown, your job is just to keep bitching about the vagrants and hippies in Zuccotti Park.

Thanks everyone for playing. Let's work the problem boys. I want the Occupy Warpath Movement up and running by Thanksgiving.[/quote]

As to problem #3-mlmpetert has rented a van with Chico will drive. saden will operate the megaphone and I've secured us space in front of Fantasyland in Disney World. Problem Solved!

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[quote=SmootSmack;855204]As to problem #3-mlmpetert has rented a van with Chico will drive. saden will operate the megaphone and I've secured us space in front of Fantasyland in Disney World. Problem Solved![/quote]

Excellent! See, this is what I am talking about folks - workable solutions to concrete issues!

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"Firstdown, your job is just to keep bitching about the vagrants and hippies in Zuccotti Park."

LOL, well we need FD also to keep the rape stats associated with the movement. Thats been my favorite part of this thread, rape stats.

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Allright guys im in. Ive secured the van:

[IMG]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6036/6228349875_ba5eebc143.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Chico23231;855208]"Firstdown, your job is just to keep bitching about the vagrants and hippies in Zuccotti Park."

LOL, well we need FD also to keep the rape stats associated with the movement. Thats been my favorite part of this thread, rape stats.[/quote]


Im the one that has been keeping up with rape stats!!!! I guess i can put my spreadsheet on the cloud so someone else can keep it updated while im out planting freedom seeds across America in the Liberty Van with SS, Chico and Saden1.

Also it looks like FD has joined the movement:

[IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pYQ3CeBM6Tg/ToJabVa-kcI/AAAAAAAAAcQ/5dwMepEj5_c/s400/Travel+Mouse+Occupy+Wall+Street+Funny+Sign+Liberty+Plaza+Park.JPG[/IMG]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;855187]By the way, just for clarification, in the post referenced above, which was the manner you intended: Were implying you’re smarter than everyone else b/c they can’t see beyond the bullshit or just smarter than SS33?[/quote]


No. I'm saying if you run across a slanted (whether right or left) type of article that pertains good information, one needs to weed out the finger pointing. Notice I didn't say anything about the Republicans being at fault. I posted it to show that "hey, this is personal" in regards to the OWS movement.

It has nothing to do with who's smarter. It's quite evident that SS33 is still stuck in the Repubs vs. Dems mode, which is why he responded the way he did (also on all things I post that in some way paint the Repubs in a bad light). I'm here to shit on all politicians equally, not just the Republicans. I think I've been quite fair with the bashing. All one has to do is check out my bashing of Obama to see this. So don't call me out on bashing Republicans when I in fact bash Democraps. One politician I am partial to is Ron Paul (REPUBLICAN), it's just unfortunate he's also a religious nut. :cheeky-sm

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[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-20129155/study-many-fortune-500-cos-paid-$0-taxes/]Study: Many Fortune 500 cos. paid $0 taxes - CBS News[/url]

[QUOTE](CBS News)

Advocates for reducing U.S. corporate tax rates argue that lower corporate rates charged in other countries impede American competitiveness. Yet a new study finds that many of the nation's top companies are already paying less in U.S. taxes on their pretax profits than they do overseas.

In a study comprising more than half of the Fortune 500 list of the largest U.S. corporations, a quarter of those examined paid little or nothing in federal income taxes during the 2008-2010 period, despite registering profits in all three years.

Of those 280 companies, 78 corporations had at least one year during which their U.S. federal tax was zero or less, and many had more than one year paying no tax, despite recording profits; many of these companies also received tax rebates. In 2009 alone, 49 companies earned combined profits of $78.6 billion, yet paid no taxes - and collected tax rebates totaling $10.8 billion. [/QUOTE]


Smoke and mirrors. It would be interesting to find out what those companies campaign contributions were to our politicians.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;855200]2. The US corporate tax law needs serious revision. Corporations should be paying taxes in line with other countries that offer the same comparitive economic security as the US ([I]i.e.[/I] there is a benefit to doing business in the stable political/economic climate of a Germany, US or Britain as opposed to Mexico, Columbia or Angola). Based on the study Chico referenced, it would appear that this would require closing certain loopholes and shelters while, at the same time, lowering the statutory rate to one comprable to other western nations. Any volunteers to draft a revised corporate tax code for us? Anyone? Anyone? How about a committee of SS33, Lotus and NC_Skins? Get back to us with your result by next Friday please.[/quote]



1) Close any and all corporate tax hole loops.

2) Give tax breaks to companies that create jobs and maintain them.

3) Impose huge tax penalties for any American Corp with jobs overseas, who's products are shipped to the US. (make it high enough to where it's less costly to have the plant here)

4) Give tax breaks to companies for providing health care benefits.

5) Give tax breaks to companies that reinvest money back into the company. (employee raises(not CEO), additions/buildings added) -removed research and development. **** Pharmaceutical companies.


I'll come up with more later when I can research what the numbers are across the world.

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[quote=mlmpetert;855216]Allright guys im in. Ive secured the van:

[IMG]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6036/6228349875_ba5eebc143.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

That van is crying to have a little weed smoke in it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;855226]1) Close any and all corporate tax hole loops.

2) Give tax breaks to companies that create jobs and maintain them.

3) Impose huge tax penalties for any American Corp with jobs overseas, who's products are shipped to the US. (make it high enough to where it's less costly to have the plant here)

4) Give tax breaks to companies for providing health care benefits.

5) Give tax breaks to companies that reinvest money back into the company. (employee raises(not CEO), additions/buildings added, research and development)

I'll come up with more later when I can research what the numbers are across the world.[/quote]

You say we should close corporate loop holes. Then you propose new ones.

I say close corporate tax loopholes, period.

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw88_SpMO4Q&feature=related]�Cheech & Chong】Up in Smoke (part #02) - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=firstdown;855227]That van is crying to have a little weed smoke in it.[/quote]

a little?

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[quote=Lotus;855228]You say we should close corporate loop holes. Then you propose new ones.

I say close corporate tax loopholes, period.[/quote]

I would say they were incentives to improving the quality of lives with their employees.

Overall, I do think most of the corporate loopholes need to be closed. Some of this shit is ridiculous.

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[quote=NC_Skins;855226]1) Close any and all corporate tax hole loops.

[COLOR=red]By making a flat corporate tax?[/COLOR]

2) Give tax breaks to companies that create jobs and maintain them.

[COLOR=red]i think this is already being done and is one of the reasons many of the 280 big companies in the artical Chico posted pay little taxes[/COLOR]

3) Impose huge tax penalties for any American Corp with jobs overseas, who's products are shipped to the US. (make it high enough to where it's less costly to have the plant here)

[COLOR=red]So my Air Force 1s are going to go up in price from 100 to 500 and my Motorola Droid is gonna be like 2k (1k w/ 2 year contract), but i guess i can still buy a Nokia for like 50 bucks. Or perhaps every company that manufactors something will just move overseas....[/COLOR]

4) Give tax breaks to companies for providing health care benefits.

[COLOR=red]In addition to the write off they receive?[/COLOR]

5) Give tax breaks to companies that reinvest money back into the company. (employee raises(not CEO), additions/buildings added, research and development)

[COLOR=red]Already done, much like how healthcare costs reduce profits[/COLOR]

I'll come up with more later when I can research what the numbers are across the world.[/quote]

How about just a low flat tax on corporate profits that makes America, from a tax standpoint, the most competitive in the world? It doesnt matter if youre GE or a S Corp like Firstdown, everyeone pays a extremly low flat % on profits. Would you be cool with that?

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Occupy the Redskins backfield! Who's with me?

Oh, wait, the Bills did that 10 times. Nevermind.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;855200]Any volunteers to draft a revised corporate tax code for us? Anyone? Anyone? How about a committee of SS33, Lotus and NC_Skins? Get back to us with your result by next Friday please.[/quote]Here's my input, before the deadline thank you, U.S. Corporations should not pay federal taxes. I'm a FairTax person.

Unless Cain is elected POTUS, I don't see FairTax being implemented, so a lowered corporate rate (revenue neutral) with no loopholes at all would be my preference.

[quote]3. Executive pay: Somehow this needs to be addressed. The fact that, for many corporations, executive compensation is divorced from the success or failure of a company (i.e. the "Moral Hazard" mlpertert referenced earlier in the thread - I think it was mlpertert). Not sure, this is a tricky one for a lot of reasons. I suggest a working group of Smootsmack, Chico, saden1 and mlpertert analyze the problems and come up with possible proposals and come back to the group with a working solution by next Friday.[/quote]I'll weigh in here if you don't mind. The Federal gov't has no right to dictate wages or compensation a corporation pays its employees. I support, if it's not already there, that publicly held companies be required to publish the compensation of its board and also key executives that make over a certain dollar amount (not sure what that amount should be). Let the public decide if it wishes to continue to subsidize high executive/board compensation by either continuing or not continuing to buy that company's product/stock.

[quote]Firstdown, your job is just to keep bitching about the vagrants and hippies in Zuccotti Park.[/quote]I wanna help bitch about hippies and late teen/twenty something blockheads too!!!!!! (I've got an 18yr old, I need to vent)

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[quote=Lotus;855239][I]Occupy the Redskins backfield[/I]! Who's with me?

Oh, wait, the Bills did that 10 times. Nevermind.[/quote]With the way our OL played on Sunday, you and I probably could.

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How about we give MNC's 2 senate seats, and include them in the census with x number of Congressmen. Then, we say they can only spend campaign funds on those two senate seats and the elections for their congressmen. They could become the 51st state, CorporateAmerica, we could add DC statehood as well, just so the flag stays balanced. Also, they all have to register, so that in time of war they can be drafted.

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[quote=mlmpetert;855235]How about just a low flat tax on corporate profits that makes America, from a tax standpoint, the most competitive in the world? It doesnt matter if youre GE or a S Corp like Firstdown, everyeone pays a extremly low flat % on profits. Would you be cool with that?[/quote]

Seems legit. Not sure if these people wouldn't still in turn ship jobs overseas. Something HAS to be done in regards to these corporations shipping US jobs overseas.


Your example of your Nike Air Forces becoming $500. Well, realistically people would stop buying them and move to another product. The loss of revenue would make the corp either go bankrupt or decide to move their factories back to the US.

I wasn't really familiar with how Corps were evading taxes, but it does seem many get tax breaks from many of the things I've listed.

[url=http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-03/break-free-corporate-tax-code-misses-republican-rate-goal.html]Break-Free Corporate Tax Code Misses Republican Rate Goal - Businessweek[/url]


We've been lowering taxes for Corporations and rich people since the Regan era and it's done nothing. What would lowering corporate taxes do now?


Good info here on 10 big corporate tax breaks:

[url=http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/02/09/10-Big-Corporate-Tax-Breaks.aspx#page1]10 Big Corporate Tax Breaks, and Who Benefits[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;855220]No. I'm saying if you run across a slanted (whether right or left) type of article that pertains good information, one needs to weed out the finger pointing. Notice I didn't say anything about the Republicans being at fault. I posted it to show that "hey, this is personal" in regards to the OWS movement.[/quote]This will be my last response on this particular issue with you since you either choose to ignore or are missing my point.

Here you say, "if you run across slanted info....etc." However, you do nothing but crush Fox News any time you mention them. Fox News provides excellent information. Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. are not "news" they are opinion shows. You check the ratings for Fox lately....oh right, that doesn't matter they just pander to idiots or those "stuck in a D vs. R mentality.

You didn't say the "Republicans were at fault", but the writer of the article sure as hell did and nowhere in this thread (unless I missed something) did you mention you disagreed with that point.

The article you posted was far beyond slant, it was written by a Dem strategist, provided little to no facts, those provided were wrong or distorted, and the article concluded by blaming the GOP. So you claiming this "down the middle" or "all Ds & Rs suck equally" position is disingenuous.

I'm conservative, and I usually vote R, why am I going to defend a Dem or liberal position or a negative crack made at them? First off, I normally disagree with liberal positions and second there's plenty of folks here that are more capable and willing to defend that side of the aisle. They would do a much better job than I.

I'm not stuck in a D vs. R thing, I simply don't agree with a majority of what you post in the politics threads. When you stomp on positions/policies I support or advocate those I don't, I'll speak up. Instead of "$hitting on all politicians" equally and not responding when someone discredits your "$hit". How about you put together a coherent response or don't "$hit" until you've got your facts straight.

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You can think I'm disingenuous till you are blue in the face and it isn't going to change the fact it's simply not true.

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;855256]I'm not stuck in a D vs. R thing[/quote]


Post # 53

Does that include folks in the Clinton Admin. and Bush Admins?

Bill Clinton's drive to increase homeownership went way too far - BusinessWeek

How about Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, Greg Meeks, Lacy Clay, Athur Davis [COLOR="Red"](all democrats)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="red"](you go onto post something from Fox news claiming Democrats were warned, and also posted a link to some Democratic politician)[/COLOR]



Post #82

Why am I not surprised....did anyone think our friends at ACORN would quietly disappear into the night:

EXCLUSIVE: ACORN Playing Behind Scenes Role In 'Occupy' Movement | Fox News


[COLOR="Red"]What a surprise. A agency that Republicans used to smear Democrats in the Presidential campaign claiming illegal voting tactics.[/COLOR]



Clearly you aren't stuck on Repubs vs Dems. These were brought out even before that liberal piece I posted and with no mention to either party. I thought we've moved past this, and went onto more productive stuff rather than poking each other with sticks.

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[url=http://m.apnews.mobi/ap/db_6776/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=r7OMLhLZ]AP News: Occupy protesters disavow Oakland violence[/url]


[quote]"They don't speak for the majority of people who were here yesterday," said Hadas Alterman, a college student who was gathering trash at a tent camp near Oakland City Hall. "That was an hour of action, and we were out here for 12 hours and it was peaceful."[/quote]

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[url=http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_wall_street_quiz.html]Are You Smarter Than a Wall Street Occupier? -- Daily Intel[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;855401][url=http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_wall_street_quiz.html]Are You Smarter Than a Wall Street Occupier? -- Daily Intel[/url][/quote]

Interesting quiz but they only asked 50 people. Sorry, not useful to the discussion.

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[quote=mlmpetert;855401][url=http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_wall_street_quiz.html]Are You Smarter Than a Wall Street Occupier? -- Daily Intel[/url][/quote]

50 people?...lol /facepalm

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I'm having an occupy weekend. I'm going to try drinking all the beer that occpies my frig. That will be tough because my garage frig is full of ice cold beer.

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[quote=firstdown;855519]I'm having an occupy weekend. I'm going to try drinking all the beer that occpies my frig. That will be tough because my garage frig is full of ice cold beer.[/quote]

You might need it for the game against the 49ers. I imagine it's going to be ugly.