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[quote=mooby;859575]Why do I not believe him? What grown man showers with little boys without having sexual intentions?[/quote]

How dumb does he think we are?

"I wasn't robbing a bank. I was just standing in the vault with a gun after telling everyone to get their hands up."

What a pile of poop.

[QUOTE=mooby;859575]Why do I not believe him? What grown man showers with little boys without having sexual intentions?[/QUOTE]

And if not such a big deal why wait for the locker rooms to empty out so there's no one there but you and the boy?

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[quote=Lotus;859590]How dumb does he think we are?

"I wasn't robbing a bank. I was just standing in the vault with a gun after telling everyone to get their hands up."

What a pile of poop.[/quote]

Seriously. Admittedly, it seems strange that he's trying to defend himself against such overwhelming odds, because most people in that situation would just admit guilt and hope to try to redeem themselves. It almost seems that by defending himself, he's acting not remorseful at all. And slightly arrogant as well, by saying he was just showering with boys but nothing bad happened.

Which may not be the case, that's just the way it's coming off to me. I just don't see any way in which this could possibly be spinned as a conspiracy theory, or any other dumb shit like that. There's just too many people involved, too many victims, too many witnesses, too long of a period of time, for there to be any coincidence. This guy just screams full fledged predator.

[quote=SmootSmack]And if not such a big deal why wait for the locker rooms to empty out so there's no one there but you and the boy?[/quote]

Seriously. Like I said just way too much overwhelming evidence and witnesses for me to believe he's innocent at all. Am I falling into the trap of people who think along the lines of "guilty before proven innocent?" Yes, but this is one case where there's not much doubt. He's got no credibility. And I think he's taking all this the entirely wrong way. It sounds like he's trying to make us believe that he just likes to shower with young boys yet nothing sexual happened. And I feel like only a pedophile would try that defense. Minimizing the damage in a case like this doesn't work. I honestly can't believe he's using the,"Whoa I like to shower with young boys, doesn't mean I'm a perv though" defense.

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Interesting twist on the McQueary segment.

[url=http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/archive/s_767298.html]Mike McQueary e-mail says he 'made sure it stopped' with Sandusky - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review[/url]

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Maybe it is just the entire legal morass that has the participants giving bizarre answers(and will be heard later in court).....but WTF is " I did the right thing.....you guys know me"....
What is that?
"What happened to Oh Hell No...I kicked his ass. That shit will not be allowed to stand as long as I'm around? NO Way No how...not to a kid!"
The morphing quality of the individual stories is getting..........

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Nope. The legal system isn't crooked either. Guy is walking around with 40 counts of child molestation without having to pay 1 cent in bail.


[url=http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-set-unsecured-bail-for-jerry-sandusky-is-a-second-mile-volunteer]Judge Who Set Unsecured Bail For Jerry Sandusky Is A Second Mile Volunteer [UPDATE][/url]




I'm still not understanding how Penn State will be paying the legal fees for Schultzand Curley. They get charged with crimes that has sunk the university and the school is paying for their defense? Really?




[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7233492/big-ten-removes-joe-paterno-name-championship-trophy]Big Ten removes Joe Paterno's name from championship trophy - ESPN[/url]

Also, you already start seeing organizations disassociate themselves with Paterno. I imagine Penn State will at some point if they uncover him being a big part of the cover up.

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[quote=mooby;859620]Seriously. Admittedly, it seems strange that he's trying to defend himself against such overwhelming odds, because most people in that situation would just admit guilt and hope to try to redeem themselves. It almost seems that by defending himself, he's acting not remorseful at all. And slightly arrogant as well, by saying he was just showering with boys but nothing bad happened.

Which may not be the case, that's just the way it's coming off to me. I just don't see any way in which this could possibly be spinned as a conspiracy theory, or any other dumb shit like that. There's just too many people involved, too many victims, too many witnesses, too long of a period of time, for there to be any coincidence. This guy just screams full fledged predator.



Seriously. Like I said just way too much overwhelming evidence and witnesses for me to believe he's innocent at all. Am I falling into the trap of people who think along the lines of "guilty before proven innocent?" Yes, but this is one case where there's not much doubt. He's got no credibility. And I think he's taking all this the entirely wrong way. It sounds like he's trying to make us believe that he just likes to shower with young boys yet nothing sexual happened. And I feel like only a pedophile would try that defense. Minimizing the damage in a case like this doesn't work. [B]I honestly can't believe he's using the,"Whoa I like to shower with young boys, doesn't mean I'm a perv though" defense.[/B][/quote]

Yeah, we shouldn't presume guilt. But as you indicate, he's not doing much to convince people that he is innocent. If there really were some kind of terrible misunderstanding, his defense would be different.

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[quote] andersoncooper Anderson Cooper

Attorney says fmr #psu coach #sandusky showered with a child because "he is a jock...you take showers after you work out." @ac360 8p, 10p
[/quote]

Sounds legit. :yeahright I was just finished working out with little Timmy and we were taking a shower and I slipped on the wet floor and my penis ended up in his rectum. Coulda happened to anybody ya know?




Also, the more I read on Paterno, the more I'm certain he played a major part in sweeping this under the rug back in '98 as well as 2002. I believe the threatened McQueary with his job to keep silent about this as well.

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[url=http://m.nypost.com/p/news/national/sandusky_lawyer_impregnated_teenage_7jKwQMCeBlm9RSdr9zeutK]Sandusky lawyer impregnated teenage girl: report - m.NYPOST.com[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;859673][url=http://m.nypost.com/p/news/national/sandusky_lawyer_impregnated_teenage_7jKwQMCeBlm9RSdr9zeutK]Sandusky lawyer impregnated teenage girl: report - m.NYPOST.com[/url][/quote]

He's keeping good company it seems like.

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#BREAKING (1) #Sandusky witness, McQueary email to fmr. teammates: "I did the right thing…you guys know me…" #PennState

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#BREAKING (2) McQueary: "... the truth is not out there fully... I didn't just turn and run... I made sure it stopped..."

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#BREAKING (3) McQueary: "... I had to make quick tough decisions…" #PennState @NBCNews #Exclusive

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[quote=NC_Skins;859672]Sounds legit. :yeahright I was just finished working out with little Timmy and we were taking a shower and I slipped on the wet floor and my penis ended up in his rectum. Coulda happened to anybody ya know?




Also, the more I read on Paterno, the more I'm certain he played a major part in sweeping this under the rug back in '98 as well as 2002. [B]I believe the threatened McQueary with his job to keep silent about this as well.[/B][/quote]


that's a hell of an assumption.

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I think it's beyond bizarre that Sandusky is using the "Michael Jackson" defense.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;859793]that's a hell of an assumption.[/quote]

Why else would he not say anything? Surely he had to feel threatened not to go to the police or follow up on this, and I imagine we'll hear more to come.

You are right though, it is indeed a hell of a assumption. Purely speculative.

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McQueary interview on CBS News tonight

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[url=http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-penn-state-scandal-mcqueary-20111115,0,1687969.story]McQueary Penn State scandal: Penn State's Mike McQueary says he did go to police - mcall.com[/url]

Seems Mike did do something. I still say the shit hasn't even reached the fan yet, but when it does, lookout.




I'm really shocked Sandusky did a interview and even more shocked his attorney allowed it. It surely didn't help him any.

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[quote=SmootSmack;859854]McQueary interview on CBS News tonight[/quote]


Wonder if he's going to throw a few PSU peeps under the bus? I hope so.

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[quote=NC_Skins;859874][url=http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-penn-state-scandal-mcqueary-20111115,0,1687969.story]McQueary Penn State scandal: Penn State's Mike McQueary says he did go to police - mcall.com[/url]

Seems Mike did do something. I still say the shit hasn't even reached the fan yet, but when it does, lookout.




[B]I'm really shocked Sandusky did a interview[/B] and even more shocked his attorney allowed it. It surely didn't help him any.[/quote]

I didn't see the interview but my friend described it in one word on his facebook status... Creepy.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;859878]I didn't see the interview but my friend described it in one word on his facebook status... Creepy.[/quote]

Creepy would fit that perfectly.

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[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57325408-10391695/penn-states-mike-mcqueary-speaks-for-first-time-since-sex-abuse-scandal/%20http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57324884/more-sandusky-accusers-come-forward/]Penn State's Mike McQueary speaks for first time since sex abuse scandal - - CBS News[/url]

He really didn't say too much other than he his emotions were, but nothing of substance in regards to the investigation.

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[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/jerry-sandusky-i-seeking-young-person-sexual-helped-article-1.977730]Jerry Sandusky: 'I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped' - NY Daily News[/url]

This guy has a idiot for a lawyer which if fitting I suppose. A part of the interview that was cut out, but can be found in the transcript.

[QUOTE]But while Costas's interview was forceful and compelling, the full transcript of what Sandusky said wasn't aired until it appeared Tuesday morning on "Today."

At one point, about seven minutes into the interview and after Costas asked Sandusky about the 40-count indictment he faces for sexually abusing boys over a 15-year period, and Sandusky replies that he is innocent of those charges, Costas asks Sandusky if he fits the classic MO of a pedophile.

Sandusky's reply at the 19:01:01:00 mark of the interview is perhaps the most damning of the entire session:

"Well -- you might think that," Sandusky said. "I don't know. (LAUGHS) In terms of -- my relationship with so many, many young people. I would -- I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and -- and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. [U][B]And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. [/B][/U]There are many that I didn't have -- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways."
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[quote=DynamiteRave;859878]I didn't see the interview but my friend described it in one word on his facebook status... Creepy.[/quote]

I saw it on tv while I was at the gym, and I felt creeped out, like they considered it standard practice to interview pedophiles on tv. I watched this one Onion clip where they did an interview with a pedophile, and I thought it was pretty funny. But when I watched this interview with what I feel pretty confidently was an actual pedophile, I was just straight creeped out.

@NC: I completely agree about the lawyer. If I were his lawyer, I'd be advising going underground Saddam style until the trial starts, and instead this f'n creepy pedophile is out there actually trying to act like it's normal for him to do interviews. And his answers felt so forced! Ugh. The less I see of Sandusky until this trial is over the better.

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I thought it was weird enough that his lawyer allowed Costas to interview Sandusky. Even more odd that his laywer was the one who suggested the interview

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[quote=SmootSmack;860073]I thought it was weird enough that his lawyer allowed Costas to interview Sandusky. Even more odd that his laywer was the one who suggested the interview[/quote]

Bizarre to say the least.

Kudos to Costas, I thought he did a great job with the interview.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRQDxdlbS-M]Mike McQueary Speaks - YouTube[/url]

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Another unrelated Penn State child rape claim:

[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/abuse-victim-claims-penn-state-pedophilia-predates-sandusky-current-scandal-decades-article-1.978374?localLinksEnabled=false]Abuse victim claims Penn State pedophilia predates Sandusky, current scandal by decades - NY Daily News[/url]

Who knows if this was covered up by anyone at Penn State, it says there were also 2 other men involved. Also perhaps Gary Schultz was involved in dismissing the claim back in 2001?

And i know im speculating but its hard not to on this type of stuff. Espicially when there has been such a large coverup in a small college town and tons of rumors. It also seems like child preditors often are part of larger groups or networks.

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[quote=mlmpetert;860144]Another unrelated Penn State child rape claim:

[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/abuse-victim-claims-penn-state-pedophilia-predates-sandusky-current-scandal-decades-article-1.978374?localLinksEnabled=false]Abuse victim claims Penn State pedophilia predates Â*Sandusky, current scandal by decadesÂ* - NY Daily News[/url]

Who knows if this was covered up by anyone at Penn State, it says there were also 2 other men involved. Also perhaps Gary Schultz was involved in dismissing the claim back in 2001?

And i know im speculating but its hard not to on this type of stuff. Espicially when there has been such a large coverup in a small college town and tons of rumors. It also seems like child preditors often are part of larger groups or networks.[/quote]


Wow. If this guy has actual tapes, then some of those admins need to be serving jail time and lots of it. The sad part of this story is (besides the rape itself)

[quote] The professor is a well-known expert of child development, and has received acclaim for his work with autistic children.[/quote]

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The power of message boards

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/internet-posting-helped-sandusky-investigators.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;860209]The power of message boards

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/internet-posting-helped-sandusky-investigators.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp[/url][/quote]

That doesn't help McQueary's case that he tried to stop the rape and that he did contact law enforcement unless he's counting contacting law enforcement as 7 years later.

[quote]McQueary’s Revelations

When McQueary met with investigators last year,[B] he immediately told them that he had witnessed Sandusky raping the boy in the showers on a Friday night in 2002 and then had gone home and talked to his father about what he should do.[/B] Together, they decided he needed to tell Paterno. Before becoming a graduate assistant, McQueary had played for Paterno. The coach was a mentor, and a friend.[/quote]

[quote]According to court records, McQueary was never questioned by the police after reporting the alleged assault.[B] But in an email obtained by the Associated Press, McQueary says he stopped the assault and then discussed it with the police.[/B][/quote]

So which version is true? The one where he runs home to Dad or the one where he stops the rape and then talked about it with law enforcement?

[url=http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/FBC-PENNSTATE-GRANDJURY_6594853/FBC-PENNSTATE-GRANDJURY_6594853/]McQueary emails he stopped rape and told police but grand jury report doesn't mention it | The Republic[/url]


[quote]On Wednesday, both university police and State College police said they never received a report of sexual assault from McQueary. And the Patriot-News newspaper of Harrisburg reported that a handwritten statement McQueary gave to police during the grand jury investigation did not mention taking action to stop the alleged rape or contacting police.
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[url=http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-15-2011/jerry-sandusky-phone-interview?xrs=synd_facebook]Jerry Sandusky Phone Interview - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 11/15/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central[/url]



:rofl:

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[quote=NC_Skins;860304][url=http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-15-2011/jerry-sandusky-phone-interview?xrs=synd_facebook]Jerry Sandusky Phone Interview - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 11/15/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central[/url]



:rofl:[/quote]

I think Stewart was actually right in his comment regarding Sandusky's answer to the "Are you sexually attracted to young boys" question--he almost seemed to be fighting the urge to come clean.

[url]http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7248184/syracuse-police-investigating-bernie-fine-molesting-boy-1980s[/url]

Hoping this isn't true. I don't want to start having multiple molestation threads.

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[quote=SmootSmack;860336][url=http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7248184/syracuse-police-investigating-bernie-fine-molesting-boy-1980s]Syracuse police investigating Bernie Fine about molesting boy in 1980s - ESPN[/url]

Hoping this isn't true. I don't want to start having multiple molestation threads.[/quote]

On one hand, I hope it's not true either, but on the other hand I hope that the stories about Sandusky give these kids/adults the strength to speak up now. The more people that were molested as kids that come forward, the better. It's time to speak up and see that those that have done damage are punished.

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[quote=mooby;860338]On one hand, I hope it's not true either, but on the other hand I hope that the stories about Sandusky give these kids/adults the strength to speak up now. The more people that were molested as kids that come forward, the better. It's time to speak up and see that those that have done damage are punished.[/quote]

yes, the more of this that comes to light the better. Horrible that in cases like these, it's the victims that feel the shame.

[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy]Horrible that in cases like these, it's the victims that feel the shame.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. You see reports with quotes from these kids saying they didn't come forward because they were afraid, or embarrassed, felt stupid, etc. but honestly they have nothing to be afraid of. If anyone I knew came out and said they were sexually or emotionally abused as a kid. I feel like I'd give them the utmost support, especially when you consider a lot of pedophiles were abused themselves. It does the most damage when they keep it to themselves.

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[quote=SmootSmack;860336][url=http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7248184/syracuse-police-investigating-bernie-fine-molesting-boy-1980s]Syracuse police investigating Bernie Fine about molesting boy in 1980s - ESPN[/url]

Hoping this isn't true. I don't want to start having multiple molestation threads.[/quote]

You know whats the trend outside of molesting itself, is the institution decision to cover up in both cases or not to pursue the truth to protect the program.

This is what is sicking to me, eff the victims Syracuse basketball and Penn State football is more important.

We have a serious problem within our society when this is true.

Seems to me Syracuse did investigate and is again investigating.

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[quote=SmootSmack;860394]Seems to me Syracuse did investigate and is again investigating.[/quote]

Were the police involved the first time? I intially though they were not. Campus police wouldnt count. But I imagine we will be hearing more as details emerge. 15 years is a long time, if more victims appear its over.

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[quote=SmootSmack;860336][url=http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7248184/syracuse-police-investigating-bernie-fine-molesting-boy-1980s]Syracuse police investigating Bernie Fine about molesting boy in 1980s - ESPN[/url]

Hoping this isn't true. I don't want to start having multiple molestation threads.[/quote]


I hope Boeheim didn't call this alleged victim a liar in the press. This is exactly why child molestation victims are scared to open up. They should suspend Boeheim just for that statement alone. He needs to refer the media to the police and legal entities and talk about basketball.



[quote]Fine is in his 35th season as an assistant to Boeheim, who came to his defense.

"I know this kid, but I never saw him in any rooms or anything," Boeheim told ESPN. "It is a bunch of a thousand lies that he has told. You don't think it is a little funny that his cousin (relative) is coming forward?

"He supplied four names to the university that would corroborate his story. None of them did ... there is only one side to this story. He is lying."[/quote]