Everyone keeps saying how horrible our line is... It's actually pretty good

#Hail to the Redskins

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I really do not want someone else's quarterback. Let's get our own and build with that. Do what it takes to draft a young quarterback. I will not be excited about another teams reject like Sanchez or Bradford or a damaged Manning or a backup like Flynn

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I don't think our oline is as horrible as fans make it out to be. We know from Helu and Royster's production that these can run block. A competent quarterback has a way of making his line better too.

I just don't like the idea of Peyton Manning coming here. I don't hate it, just on the fence about it. Even with his accomplished past, it just smacks of the organization doing the things the same way they did when Vinny was overseeing player personnel. I know it's different, but it just "feels" the same.

I honestly didn't/still don't think it's a given that he even comes back next season. We'd better have a plan B if we take the Manning plunge, that's for sure.

Healthy I'd take Manning over any rookie qb in the draft, he'd make us legitimate contenders for 2-3 years

#Hail to the Redskins

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It is hard to predict what will happen with Manning. He could very well be released by Indy because of his contract and his health. While I am sure Indy would like to get something for him, with these two roadblocks (contract/health) it would be hard for them to do that. Right now the Colts are in a great position to part ways with Manning without much backlash from the fan base.

Health aside, I don't think we are in such a terrible position to have a guy like Manning. However, here are my concerns: 1. Money - unless BA would work it out that Manning has to prove himself health-wise, I think Manning would be expensive for a short time. 2. Co-existance - can Manning, who is a coach on the field, co-exist with Kyle Shanahan (which I personally think KS should let Manning do his thing).

Manning as a Redskins is not such a terrible idea (aside from health/money). He makes offensive lines better, something that we have not had in our team for a long time. He will make average receivers better, once again, we've never had a QB in our team be able to do that. Finally, we have a running game AND a good defense...Manning never had a running game and a good defense. I don' think Indy had those two things at the same time.

Now the 600 lb. gorilla is his health. Even with the best protection in the world, he is going to get hit. And a lot of teams will be asking themselves if they want to gamble on his health and spend the money to get him.

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Ok. Here is where I stand on this subject. Don't want to trade a bunch of picks for Manning, would love to get this guy in FA. It would be one of the biggest moves in Redskins history. If we can get this guy you have to. Draft a QB in round 2 or so. Draft a stud offensive weapon in round 1, a WR which we have plenty to chose from or trade back and get a couple of more picks and an impact player.

Manning in DC would be a huge move for the Skins, the fans, and the NFC East. From what I have read on his health it seems as though the healing is done and the procedure was a success. IDK but this could be as huge move for this team. I would be stoked to see the big fella back there at QB.

The thing with him is all of the preparation that he puts into his game. I for one would love to have a young QB watching how much work it takes to be a great QB and the work ethic of PM. How much practice and film study it takes.

We are not talking about a Jeff George here or a Brad Johnson, we are talking about one of the greatest QBs of all time. With one of the most prolific work ethics a QB could have. This guy could change alot of things in Washington and not just our W/L record.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;875653]Everyone keeps saying how horrible our line is... It's actually pretty good

#Hail to the Redskins[/quote]

I know. Just lazy. The O-line is fine and they'll tweak it in the off-season. Bad QB = bad protection.

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Peyton will never play in the same divison as his brother,move on.

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So how do you know ginatone? Are you friends with him and his dad? I think a case could be made for Peyton playing in the same division as his brother.

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I do not believe money will be the only defining criteria for teams PM is willing to go with. After all, did he not give back a few mm of his salary to ease the cap issues for the Colts. He does not strike me as a man that spends his money on jewelry lawsuits and making it rain in the local strip emporiums.
It would surprise me if were not more selective for a team closer to making a SB run (than the Skins) and collect another ring in the process

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Hog1 - I believe you may be right, but I would at least gauge the interest as a matter of doing your due diligence to see if you can add an important piece.

And who knows Manning may like what he sees. Hell he played for a team that won 2 games without him, we won 5. His presence alone could make us a contender. Most teams that are close have a QB on their roster also.

Give me a team that is close to winning a SB but does not have a QB? Just asking, I can't really think of one that doesn't already have a QB on their roster.

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I agree with you 100%. Strange things happen and we sure as hell do not want to be caught....lookin'. It is certainly an interesting proposition and would cure our QB thing for a few years (hopefully). Draft some other promising hopefuls...maybe PM could do some of that mentor thing.....maybe..

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Yep, sounds about right, but the only thing that I believe would happen to hinder the org would be Manning monopolizing the practice snaps in order for him to learn the o inside and out.

Another piece that may lure PM to Washington is MS. We all know what he did with another all time great QB in the last couple of years of his career. Bringing in a PM would give us some flexibility with the draft to bring in some more playmakers on offense.

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[quote=Giantone;875907]Peyton will never play in the same divison as his brother,move on.[/quote]

I'm not trying to be an ass, but i'm just curious why you stalk this forum? Is your life so boring you need to post on sites of teams you don't even follow? I personally just have better things to do than get on the eagles, cowboys, or giants forum and post my opinion.

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[quote=Brody81;875969]I'm not trying to be an ass, but i'm just curious why you stalk this forum? Is your life so boring you need to post on sites of teams you don't even follow? I personally just have better things to do than get on the eagles, cowboys, or giants forum and post my opinion.[/quote]

Maybe he enjoys our company better than that of other Giant fans. I don't blame him. :cheeky-sm

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[quote=Brody81;875969]I'm not trying to be an ass, but i'm just curious why you stalk this forum? Is your life so boring you need to post on sites of teams you don't even follow? I personally just have better things to do than get on the eagles, cowboys, or giants forum and post my opinion.[/quote]

Giantone sometimes says some annoying things. But he was a good sport about the Skins ownership of the G-men this year so he's ok here by me.

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Let's look ahead.. Let's say this...

If we were to trade our 1st/3rd for Manning, and it would guarantee at least 2 playoff appearances and 1 SB appearance in the next 3 years. Would you trade for him?

Or scenario B..

We keep our 1st and make a move for RGIII or some other young stud QB in FA or draft and it would mean a dynasty type future in 3-4 years?

Me personally.. I would enjoy having Manning on the Redskins.

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[quote=Bucket;875985]Let's look ahead.. Let's say this...

If we were to trade our 1st/3rd for Manning, and it would guarantee at least 2 playoff appearances and 1 SB appearance in the next 3 years. Would you trade for him? .[/quote]

Why do people keep bringing up a "trade" in reference to Manning. There will be NO trade involving Manning with ANY team. His salary prevents him from being traded. Only 2 options that will happen are 1) They keep him 2) They cut him. His 28 million bonus goes into effect before free agency begins and trading him after that bonus kicks in (as well as rest of his contract) would destroy the Colts cap with dead money.

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NC I agree whoever ends up with manning next year, if he is not a colts uni, will get him as a FA. His contract is both a hindrance for the Colts to keep him and to trade him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;875653]Everyone keeps saying how horrible our line is... It's actually pretty good

#Hail to the Redskins[/quote]

Actually, if it improves just a bit it will be mediocre...

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[quote=Brody81;875969]I'm not trying to be an ass, but i'm just curious why you stalk this forum? Is your life so boring you need to post on sites of teams you don't even follow? I personally just have better things to do than get on the eagles, cowboys, or giants forum and post my opinion.[/quote]

Why does it matter? Out of all the NFCE rival fans on this forum, Giantone is probably the only one who mans up when the Redskins beat his team. That alone deserves respect. And it's not like the only thing he does is spew hatred and vitriol towards us.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;875933]So how do you know ginatone? Are you friends with him and his dad? I think a case could be made for Peyton playing in the same division as his brother.[/quote]


I guess a case could be made but I just go back to when Eli was drafted and the switch was made with the Chargers ...one reason was becuase the Mannings (Archie and the Mrs) ...wanted the boys to be as seperated as possible.The boys always do what mom says.

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That was ten year or so ago. We are also discussing a 36 year old man. I know we all listen to our mother, but who knows if this is still the case. We are also talking about a time when they were most lkely trying to protect the younger Manning from constantly being compared to his brother. Well as we have seen little Eli doesn't need anyone to protect his legacy anymore. The kid has got it, and seeing those two battle it out twice a year for a couple of years would not be all bad for either one or the fam.

I just don't think it was something that you could write off as easily as you seem to do.

BTW sorry for the mispell. and CONGRATS ON BEATING THE PACKERS NICE WIN YESTERDAY!!

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Eli's trade back in the day had absolutely nothing to do with playing in the same conferences. It had everything to do with AJ Smith and the front office of San Diego.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;876169]BTW sorry for the mispell. and CONGRATS ON BEATING THE PACKERS NICE WIN YESTERDAY!![/quote]


Thank you, at my age I'm just happy to find the key board,it's a fan forum I'm not here to judge anyone on spelling or grammer.

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[quote=NC_Skins;876174]Eli's trade back in the day had absolutely nothing to do with playing in the same conferences. It had everything to do with AJ Smith and the front office of San Diego.[/quote]

There were a bunch of reason's all I said was the family did'nt want them in the same divison was one of them.

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im not buying that...^... but for logical reasons i say we its a 50-50 shot

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[quote=Giantone;876180]Thank you, at my age I'm just happy to find the key board,it's a fan forum I'm not here to judge anyone on spelling or grammer.[/quote]

yeah but ginatone sounds like a shot to me! :)

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Manning is more of the same. I don't see how acquiring him will pay off in the long run. Sure it could work but this is a guy that may never take another snap ever again.

nfldraftupdate Dion Caputi
Archie Manning, Peyton's father: "Peyton kind of likes his roots in Indy." Also said his son's [B]main priority is to get healthy & play again.[/B]
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BMack764 Bill Porter
Peyton Manning Wants To Return To Indianapolis Colts, [B]Neck Still Not Healthy [/B]footballnewsnow.com/2012/peyton-ma… via @AddThis
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A pretty good source just dropped on me that Peyton has been medically advised to never play again. If true, I'm sure it'll leak out soon enough.

If so, the Skins should totally stay away from this guy.

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[quote=mooby;876122]. And it's not like the only thing he does is spew hatred and vitriol towards us.[/quote]

Thanks,...I save that for the Eagles board.:soapbox:

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[quote=Giantone;876181]There were a bunch of reason's all I said was the family did'nt want them in the same divison was one of them.[/quote]

Look dude. No owner gives a flying **** what Archie Manning wants. He holds absolutely 0 weight when it comes to teams making decisions.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;876274]Manning is more of the same. I don't see how acquiring him will pay off in the long run. Sure it could work but this is a guy that may never take another snap ever again.

nfldraftupdate Dion Caputi
Archie Manning, Peyton's father: "Peyton kind of likes his roots in Indy." Also said his son's [B]main priority is to get healthy & play again.[/B]
11 minutes ago

BMack764 Bill Porter
Peyton Manning Wants To Return To Indianapolis Colts, [B]Neck Still Not Healthy [/B]footballnewsnow.com/2012/peyton-ma… via @AddThis
2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply[/quote]


Even his own father said he didn't know if Peyton would play this upcoming year or not. That tells you that it's a lot more serious than what people realize.

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[quote=NC_Skins;876357]Look dude. No owner gives a flying **** what Archie Manning wants. He holds absolutely 0 weight when it comes to teams making decisions.[/quote]



Dude...lol,did you really say dude? Anyway I never said one word about any owner,and never said any one made any team decisions.When the Mannings decide to go somewhere it's a "family" decision,is what I said.

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[quote=NC_Skins;876358]Even his own father said he didn't know if Peyton would play this upcoming year or not. That tells you that it's a lot more serious than what people realize.[/quote]

Chris Mortanson(sp) just went over that on ESPN's NFL 32,and what he says is Peyton still could'nt play now,....not ever again.

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[quote=Giantone;876366]Chris Mortanson(sp) just went over that on ESPN's NFL 32,and what he says is Peyton still could'nt play now,....not ever again.[/quote]

I didn't say either or. Said his father didn't even know if he was going to be able to play this year or not.

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All of this Manning to Redskins talk was contingent upon him being healthy enough to play again. Since that would appear to no longer be the case, it's time to explore other options. But if Manning was healthy enough to play again, and if he was fine with coming to DC, I'm pretty sure if his dad told him no it would not factor into Peyton's decision. But that argument appears moot after 12th's informative post.

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[quote=mooby;876396]All of this Manning to Redskins talk was contingent upon him being healthy enough to play again. Since that would appear to no longer be the case, [B]it's time to explore other options[/B]. But if Manning was healthy enough to play again, and if he was fine with coming to DC, I'm pretty sure if his dad told him no it would not factor into Peyton's decision. But that argument appears moot after 12th's informative post.[/quote]
I imagine there are about 38k options being explored for the next few months

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[quote=mooby;876396]All of this Manning to Redskins talk was contingent upon him being healthy enough to play again. Since that would appear to no longer be the case, it's time to explore other options. But if Manning was healthy enough to play again, and if he was fine with coming to DC, I'm pretty sure if his dad told him no it would not factor into Peyton's decision. But that argument appears moot after 12th's informative post.[/quote]

This will be talked about throughout 2013. I bet you.

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[quote=Hog1;876397]I imagine there are about 38k options being explored for the next few months[/quote]

Not surprising. I would hope that BA and Shanny have every possible contingency scenario prepared out by the time the draft comes. Now obviously you can't prepare for [I]every[/I] possible scenario, but I know we will definitely go in with multiple options. We can't put all our eggs in one basket, as they say. I just hope that by the time May comes around we have a definitive qb of the future in hand.

@Diehard: I'd imagine if Peyton's neck is beyond reparable, we'll be talking about his retirement sometime this offseason (probably training camp or so I'd imagine) and that's where the focus will shift.