Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

What he suggested:

That's why I believe that a potential draft day trade could result in the Redskins sending their first-rounder and one of their fourths, in addition to their first-rounder in 2013, to the Minnesota Vikings in exchange for the third-overall pick this April.

Me: I think it will take more...and I think it's the Dolphins who will trade up for RGIII

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;873332]What he suggested:

That's why I believe that a potential draft day trade could result in the Redskins sending their first-rounder and one of their fourths, in addition to their first-rounder in 2013, to the Minnesota Vikings in exchange for the third-overall pick this April.

[B]Me: I think it will take more...and I think it's the Dolphins who will trade up for RGIII[/[/B]QUOTE]

So "IF" this happens what do we do/pick .

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;873336][QUOTE=SmootSmack;873332]What he suggested:

That's why I believe that a potential draft day trade could result in the Redskins sending their first-rounder and one of their fourths, in addition to their first-rounder in 2013, to the Minnesota Vikings in exchange for the third-overall pick this April.

[B]Me: I think it will take more...and I think it's the Dolphins who will trade up for RGIII[/[/B]QUOTE]

So "IF" this happens what do we do/pick .[/quote]

I think it's Jones or Tannehill, possibly in a trade down. Maybe with Arizona who may be eyeing Trent Richardson

Though I spoke with someone (with knowledge) today who thinks we're going Foles in round 2 and WR in round 1 (possibly through a trade down). But he's just guessing as much as I am

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

Here's another one: [url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/993027-2012-nfl-draft-team-needs-for-every-team#/articles/993027-2012-nfl-draft-team-needs-for-every-team/page/21]2012 NFL Draft Team Needs for Every Team | Bleacher Report[/url]

Offseason Needs

Quarterback: The Rex Grossman/John Beck experiment didn't work. [B][U]With a better quarterback in place, this is a playoff contender.[/U][/B] Expect Washington to draft a quarterback very early in the 2012 draft.

Tight End: Mike Shanahan's offense in Washington hasn't featured the tight end as much, but they still don't want to lose Fred Davis. If Davis leaves, drafting an athletic tight end becomes even more of a priority.

Right Guard: Will Montgomery has a strong chance to leave town, but Washington could stand to upgrade over him either way.

Wide Receiver: The play of the wide receivers in Washington has been lackluster, but some of that blame falls on the quarterbacks. If Washington is in place to grab a top-tier wide receiver through free agency or the draft, they could use the talent.

Safety: If LaRon Landry chooses to leave town, the Redskins will need to make major upgrades through the draft and free agency. Landry is one of the better young players on the defense and will be tough to replace.

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=44deezel;873344]here's another one: [url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/993027-2012-nfl-draft-team-needs-for-every-team#/articles/993027-2012-nfl-draft-team-needs-for-every-team/page/21]2012 nfl draft team needs for every team | bleacher report[/url]

offseason needs

quarterback: The rex grossman/john beck experiment didn't work. [b][u]with a better quarterback in place, this is a playoff contender.[/u][/b] expect washington to draft a quarterback very early in the 2012 draft.

Tight end: Mike shanahan's offense in washington hasn't featured the tight end as much, but they still don't want to lose fred davis. If davis leaves, drafting an athletic tight end becomes even more of a priority.

Right guard: Will montgomery has a strong chance to leave town, but washington could stand to upgrade over him either way.

Wide receiver: The play of the wide receivers in washington has been lackluster, but some of that blame falls on the quarterbacks. If washington is in place to grab a top-tier wide receiver through free agency or the draft, they could use the talent.

Safety: If laron landry chooses to leave town, the redskins will need to make major upgrades through the draft and free agency. Landry is one of the better young players on the defense and will be tough to replace.[/quote]

cornerback!?!?

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=44Deezel;873226]Wasn't Brees a second rounder? Or late first? Either way, he's going into the hall of fame and wasn't the first QB taken in the draft. San Diego even gave up on him and drafted Rivers. Dumbasses!

[B]I'll never forget the day we lost the Drew Brews sweepstakes to New Orleans. Oh wait, we never even tried. I forgot[/B].[/quote]

HUGE Mistake by the front office that year. If we went back and looked at it, I am sure we spent a ton of money on FAs that didnt work out anyway. Great job Vinny!

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

If I recall only two teams showed serious interest in Brees because of his shoulder.

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[quote=Mattyk;873358]If I recall only two teams showed serious interest in Brees because of his shoulder.[/quote]

Yeah Miami and NO. Everyone else had serious concerns about his shoulder. Even Miami ended up passing and went for Culpepper instead.

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Yeah thats what we all heard was the Dolphins and Saints. It's just kind of a shock now that not more were interested in him.

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It won't be landry jones; he's staying at OU

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=SmootSmack;873338][quote=NYCskinfan82;873336]

I think it's Jones or Tannehill, possibly in a trade down. Maybe with Arizona who may be eyeing Trent Richardson

Though I spoke with someone (with knowledge) today who thinks we're going Foles in round 2 and WR in round 1 (possibly through a trade down). But he's just guessing as much as I am[/quote]


IF that materialized, I'd be fine with Blackmon.

Idk I think Sanchez is a little better than Rex but then again they both are bad

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;873425]Idk I think Sanchez is a little better than Rex but then again they both are bad[/quote]

That's like asking which is better, death by drowning or burning alive...

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

Barring any trades, the top 5 players who at this point will be taken ahead of us are:
Luck
Kalil
Blackmon
Griffin
Richardson

We're at 6. Luck will be gone. Not sure we'd be in the market for Kalil or Richardson. If Blackmon or Griffin are gone by 6, I see a possible trade here.

Really, the only team ahead of us that might draft a QB is Cleveland (other than Indi). If Griffin is there, he's gone, I would think.

As far as teams that need a QB bad enough to try for Luck or RGIII:
Miami, KC, Sea, Denver (maybe), Was, Cleveland

With limited suitors I'm not sure Indi will get 3 #1's.

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Three number ones may be what it takes for Indy to give up the pick in the first place.

If Indy wants Luck, then it may take 3 #1s just to get them to move off the pick. All of these hypotheses are completely mute if Indy wants this guy or any other player in the draft bad enough.

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=redsk1;873459]Barring any trades, the top 5 players who at this point will be taken ahead of us are:
Luck
Kalil
Blackmon
Griffin
Richardson

We're at 6. Luck will be gone. Not sure we'd be in the market for Kalil or Richardson. If Blackmon or Griffin are gone by 6, I see a possible trade here.

Really, the only team ahead of us that might draft a QB is Cleveland (other than Indi). If Griffin is there, he's gone, I would think.

As far as teams that need a QB bad enough to try for Luck or RGIII:
Miami, KC, Sea, Denver (maybe), Was, Cleveland

With limited suitors I'm not sure Indi will get 3 #1's.[/quote]

Replace Richardson with Claiborne

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

Trade 2 firsts, 2 seconds, 1 third, Jamaal Brown, DHall, Santana to Indy for the first pick. If they don't accept it add in Orakpo. If they don't accept that then f*ck em! We'll take..I dunno who.

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=SmootSmack;873466]Replace Richardson with Claiborne[/quote]

Or David DeCastro.

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;873404]It won't be landry jones; he's staying at OU[/quote]

And Barry Sanders Jr. will be attending Stanford.

[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/05/SPUM1ML3U4.DTL&tsp=1]Stanford reportedly lands Barry Sanders' son[/url]

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=Mattyk;873358]If I recall only two teams showed serious interest in Brees because of his shoulder.[/quote]


Miami and N.O

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;873468]Trade 2 firsts, 2 seconds, 1 third, Jamaal Brown, DHall, Santana to Indy for the first pick. If they don't accept it add in Orakpo. If they don't accept that then f*ck em! We'll take..I dunno who.[/quote]If they don't accept, let's put a poison pill in Dan Orlovsky's contract! Time to play hardball.

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

Orlovsky might actually be the best FA QB that no one actually wants. Even better than Rex, who, at least I think no one wants.

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=GTripp0012;873492]If they don't accept, let's put a poison pill in Dan Orlovsky's contract! Time to play hardball.[/quote]

I'm being half joking/half serious..now what do you think?

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[url=http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/34210720]Let 'Redskins will trade up for RGIII' rumors fly - CBSSports.com[/url]

Let the rumors begin!

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;873499][url=http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/34210720]Let 'Redskins will trade up for RGIII' rumors fly - CBSSports.com[/url]

Let the rumors begin![/quote]

I swear, these articles sometimes make it sound like we got Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders last year. :doh:

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Four of the top-QBs selected in the 2011 draft were picked in the first half of the draft (Newton 1st, Locker 8th, Gabbert 10th, and Ponder 12th overall). Andy Dalton followed being selected 35th overall, in the 2nd round. It seems like a shortage of "elite" talent to go around in this year's draft. Still, only a few teams will need to reach for a QB in the first round as they'll have prospects that play other positions rated higher on their draft boards. The Skins are in a good position to get one of the top three QB prospects having leverage to trade down from 6th overall since there is a perceived "dropoff" in talent when comparing Luck and Griffin III to [U]fill in the blank[/U].

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

since when did the skins have the 5th pick?

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;873535]since when did the skins have the 5th pick?[/quote]

A typo thanks.

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

For me, it's always informative to hear what the great Joe Gibbs has to say about the Redskins:

[I]"Generally for me the number one thing you want to try to do, [U]whatever the cost[/U], is try to solve the quarterback situation, get that thing solidified," he said during an appearance on ESPN 980. "I think the Redskins are going through that process, [to find] a solid starter that’ll be in there every game for them, somebody they really can say can take them to the promised land." [/I]

I just glad that Joe took the time to back me up on this issue.

Now, with the authority of the great Joe Gibbs behind me, I'm going to tell you what the Skins are going to do about the QB position and what they are not going to do about it this offseason. You wouldn't argue with the great Joe Gibbs, would you? Of course not! So don't argue with me.

1. The Skins [U]are[/U] going to get a long-term starting QB this season.
2. They [U]are not[/U] going to put a band-aid on the position for another season.
3. They [U]are[/U] going to pick a QB in this draft, whether or not they sign a FA or trade for a veteran to be the starter.

Joe Gibbs and I have spoken! So let it be written. So let it be done.

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It has to be realized that the Skins would have to have a trade partner for such a high pick.

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[quote=SmootSmack;873466]Replace Richardson with Claiborne[/quote]

Yes, add Claiborne in there. Some mocks have us w/ Claiborne although not sure I see that. Area of need, yes, just not sure if we'd go defense again.

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;873499][URL="http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/34210720"]Let 'Redskins will trade up for RGIII' rumors fly - CBSSports.com[/URL]

Let the rumors begin![/quote]

What inside information does Clayton have? None, I'd guess. Just pure speculation...nothing to see here.

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I could smack the shit out of Cam Newton for being so damn good this year. it has driven the price for RG3 up, and here's the Redskins, with the 6th pick, always on the outside looking in. I mean, I think its not out of the realm of possibility to think that if Cam Newton had that prototypical rookie year, say he threw 8 less TD's and say 5 more int's, and he didnt rush for so many damn yards, that the barometer for RG3 wouldn't be so high. I cant help but think that people look at RG3 and see the following............correct me if I am wrong.

1- A Very humble, intelligent, young black quarterback that has pocket presence, very similar to Cam N.

2- An arm that might not be as strong as Newtons, but can sure get the job done nicely. He can also improve that aspect as well with some strength training.

3- A qb that makes good decisions in the pocket, and some would say is an even better pocket passer than Cam Newton was coming out of college.

4- A qb that is very very fast and mobile, with High agility, ala Cam Newton.

5 - A QB that has elite accuracy, which RG3 has shown he has, and someone whos accuracy doesnt take an absolute nose-dive when out of the pocket, ala Cam Newton.

With Cam Newtons performance this year, and with the absence of Matt barkley and Landry Jones in this years draft pool, I can almost assure you that RG3 is going to be the 2nd pick in this upcoming draft, sort of a 1b type thing. If whoever is currently holding the number 2 selection doesnt want him, someone will put a HUGE amount on the table for him, and here is the rationale in whoevers teams mind in doing that, and making that move.........

"If Cam Newton can do what he did with Carolinas ridiculously low talent squad, what could RG3 do with the pieces I have here?"

and only time will tell if that rationale is flawed.

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=Mechanix544;873541]I could smack the shit out of Cam Newton for being so damn good this year. it has driven the price for RG3 up, and here's the Redskins, with the 6th pick, always on the outside looking in. I mean, I think its not out of the realm of possibility to think that if Cam Newton had that prototypical rookie year, say he threw 8 less TD's and say 5 more int's, and he didnt rush for so many damn yards, that the barometer for RG3 wouldn't be so high. I cant help but think that people look at RG3 and see the following............correct me if I am wrong.

1- A Very humble, intelligent, young black quarterback that has pocket presence, very similar to Cam N.

2- An arm that might not be as strong as Newtons, but can sure get the job done nicely. He can also improve that aspect as well with some strength training.

3- A qb that makes good decisions in the pocket, and some would say is an even better pocket passer than Cam Newton was coming out of college.

4- A qb that is very very fast and mobile, with High agility, ala Cam Newton.

5 - A QB that has elite accuracy, which RG3 has shown he has, and someone whos accuracy doesnt take an absolute nose-dive when out of the pocket, ala Cam Newton.

With Cam Newtons performance this year, and with the absence of Matt barkley and Landry Jones in this years draft pool, I can almost assure you that RG3 is going to be the 2nd pick in this upcoming draft, sort of a 1b type thing. If whoever is currently holding the number 2 selection doesnt want him, someone will put a HUGE amount on the table for him, and here is the rationale in whoevers teams mind in doing that, and making that move.........

"If Cam Newton can do what he did with Carolinas ridiculously low talent squad, what could RG3 do with the pieces I have here?"

and only time will tell if that rationale is flawed.[/quote]

Heres one of the major differences between Cam and RG3; Cam never gets injured. RG3 has torn his ACL at least once in his career. Cam is 6'5 250, RG3 is "6'2" 220...Cam can take those hits and make those cuts in the nfl, RG3 may blow out his knee game 3 he's more fragile and frail than cam.

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

You might as well be describing Tannehill, with one inconsequential difference

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No one is CamNewton though, he's the LBJ of the NFL Just watch

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;873575]No one is CamNewton though, he's the LBJ of the NFL Just watch[/quote]

The Lyndon Baines Johnson of the NFL? Interesting analogy. I like it

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=SmootSmack;873572]You might as well be describing Tannehill, with one inconsequential difference[/quote]

What, that Tannehill can swim?

j/k, omg, Im such a bad person.......I'll send myself to bed tonite without supper, I promise.....

Seriously though, RG3 is going to pack on some pounds, especially before his first NFl training camp, believe that. Whoever drafts him will get his athletic physique, and then slap 15 lbs on it right away on day one, no questions asked. He has elite speed, and another 15 lbs just for some strength and cushion wont take that away, he'd still be faster than almost every other qb in the league. People that say he is undersized and thin, well, he might be.......for the college version of the game.

You'd have to believe that a guy with his intelligence that watches Mike Vick getting slammed with concussions each year, getting broken ribs every other game, etc......is gonna know that to exist and excel, he has to get a tad bit bigger. His size does not concern me one bit. He will still be a premium player day one, right out of the box. And if we draft him and he gets our line, his hits will be limited for 2 key reasons.

#1 - Our line is not too shabby, and have some good young pieces that will only get better.

#2 - Shanny will have a guy that can run his bootlegs and rollouts to perfection. Alot of times, I wouldnt be suprised if he pulls it down and turns on his jets to outrun the OLB shadowing him.

Look, if we get this kid, the possibilities will be limitless, especially with him running this type of offense. Bootlegs and rollouts will be performed flawlessly, and we have the TE's and pass catching RB's with jets of their own to make big problems for defenses, just with rollout seam routes to the TE or even screens to our RB's.

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[quote=SmootSmack;873572]You might as well be describing Tannehill, with one inconsequential difference[/quote]

Enough of the stereotypes Mechanix'. Let's draft RGIII just because he's black.

Re: And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........
 

[quote=SmootSmack;873576]The Lyndon Baines Johnson of the NFL? Interesting analogy. I like it[/quote]

You stole my joke. Damn why didn't I check this thread eariler?