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[quote=T.O.Killa;883837]I cant believe they want him now and did not pick him up off the waiver wire when he was released.[/quote]

[quote]One league source said it was much salary related (Orton would have been owed $3 million for one month’s work).[/quote]

They are basically saying that if the Skins picked up Orton he would be due 3 mill for one months work and Grossman would have been upset because he didn't get that kind of money.

In other words the locker room would not have been a happy place or so they thought.

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[quote=SBXVII;883774]#1-Ok, you say the team needs to .... stay the course? how do you not know that the course is to pick up PM?

#2- You make a huge arguement as to why the team should not take a Vet QB, and elude to the fact that the course is drafting a young QB.

#3- Then you mention signing Orton. Orton? Not that I'm wanting it but we might as well stick with Grossman since the production level would not be that much better.

[/quote]

#1 My argument/hope is that the "course" is to AVOID PM at all costs.
#2 I feel that Redskins MUST take a vet FA QB; we just need to avoid PM and associated risk.
#3 I dont mention signing Orton; the Washington Post made that argument. The Washington Examiner (John Keim) has written a similar piece on Orton.

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[quote=SBXVII;883843]I'm going to sound like an idiot (which maybe I've already presented myself as one) but how can the Colts pick RGIII with the #1 pick and still trade Luck to us (the Skins)?[/quote]

The 3-way trade mentioned here before...

Something like...

Skins get #1 pick
Colts gets #2 pick and other picks
Rams get #6, picks, and Orakpo

Is that right? Wasn't that the idea?

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On a change of pace, Peyton Manning is working out at Duke now, i'm sure many of you have heard already.

Bill Pollian paints a grim picture though of what Manning actually looks like these days. He said he isn't even close to his old form. Peyton also cannot throw to the left, and he cannot throw across his body because of the nerve damage he can't feel it.

Receivers also say that Peyton doesn't have any zip on the ball, his arm is basically gone.

Dang i can't believe he would try and come back and play if he is that damaged. I knew his arm was suspect after the surgeries, but i had no idea he basically has gotten no better over the last 18 months.

I guess this is the way he is going to be. Can't beleive some team is going to sign him if he is that bad.

Somebody that is more knowledgeble than me, would the Redskins still try and sign Manning if he is just a shell of his former self? (and most accounts have him looking that way).

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Former Colts vice chairman and six-time executive of the year Bill Polian said without hesitation Thursday on SiriusXM Blitz that a report of Payton Manning’s arm strength is not accurate.

Polian refuted comments made Wednesday by Indianapolis Star reporter Bob Kravitz on Tony Kornheiser’s radio show, calling them simply “untrue.” He went further, saying that he saw Manning throw on New Year’s Eve and Manning showed, "quick release, good zip, but it was capped at about 25 yards.”

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[quote=SBXVII;883843]I'm going to sound like an idiot (which maybe I've already presented myself as one) but how can the Colts pick RGIII with the #1 pick and still trade Luck to us (the Skins)?[/quote]

magic.

[QUOTE=Hail to the Redskins;883847]The 3-way trade mentioned here before...

Something like...

Skins get #1 pick
Colts gets #2 pick and other picks
Rams get #6, picks, and Orakpo

Is that right? Wasn't that the idea?[/QUOTE]

Yes but that trade is not likely at all

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[quote=skinsfaninok;883853]Yes but that trade is not likely at all[/quote]

That's a fine opinion and all... he just asked how it makes any sense to say it.

IMO there is no way Colts do not take Luck... but this was the proposal on how we'd end up with Luck and Colts would get RGIII.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;883746]Long ago, in the storied historical archives of the Warpath, a young brave came on and said that he had approached the great warrior coach Joe Gibbs with a question. That question was so awesome that with reverence it is known only by its number. Question 3 may it forever soar amongst the eagles.

But what [U]was[/U] Question 3? The world may never know.[/quote]

More importantly, who is the Question 3 Idol?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;883803]It is interesting that certain journalists used to praise Kyle's system and offense in Houston, but as soon as he comes here -bam!- he sucks.[/quote]

Journalists always look for stories that have instant recognition. Kyle had that quality and Houston was a legit offense under his tutelage. Thing is, Houston's offense is just as good and maybe better now (taking injuries to Johnson out of the equation, and too a lesser extent Schaub), so it's possible and even probable he wasn't the reason for the earlier success.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;883820]lol dirt... much better. Bentleys are for old people. They are big heavy and not very nimble.

I am a car guy. I never got the obsession with Bentleys, unless you have a chauffeur.

Now sports cars are my thing. Lotus isn't a bad choice.[/quote]

Speaking of expensive/sports cars have you checked out Lexus' supercar for a cool $375,00...

[url=http://www.lexus.com/LFA/]Lexus LFA 2012[/url]

I would break any number of serious laws to own that BMF :)

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[quote=T.O.Killa;883837]I cant believe they want him now and did not pick him up off the waiver wire when he was released.[/quote]

Did you even open the link?

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;883847]The 3-way trade mentioned here before...

Something like...

Skins get #1 pick
Colts gets #2 pick and other picks
Rams get #6, picks, and Orakpo

Is that right? Wasn't that the idea?[/quote]

I don't know how I missed this trade scenario because the only 3 way trade I have heard of and also read here is/was refering to the Skins, Rams, and Vikings. It didn't make sense to me and quite frankly although it was designed to sound plausible even this trade scenario involving the Skins, Rams, and Colts would not be good for the Colts. Their losing PM, they need a #1 QB top flight talent to build around and they would rather give it up and take the #2 pick?

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The idea is that RGIII is that top flight QB and they get a few picks in the process.

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[quote=The Goat;883863]Journalists always look for stories that have instant recognition. Kyle had that quality and Houston was a legit offense under his tutelage. Thing is, Houston's offense is just as good and maybe better now (taking injuries to Johnson out of the equation, and too a lesser extent Schaub), so it's possible and even probable he wasn't the reason for the earlier success.[/quote]

I think you might have a point here, clearly Tony Dungy did nothing for John Grudens success with the Buccaneers and... John Gruden had nothing to do with the Raiders success after he left.

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[quote=The Goat;883864]Speaking of expensive/sports cars have you checked out Lexus' supercar for a cool $375,00...

[url=http://www.lexus.com/LFA/]Lexus LFA 2012[/url]

I would break any number of serious laws to own that BMF :)[/quote]

Yuk. I think during the Super Bowl Acura showed that they were bringing back their top elite car again which I think looks a lot better.

It's the Acura NSX, awesome car.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;883850]On a change of pace, Peyton Manning is working out at Duke now, i'm sure many of you have heard already.

Bill Pollian paints a grim picture though of what Manning actually looks like these days. He said he isn't even close to his old form. Peyton also cannot throw to the left, and he cannot throw across his body because of the nerve damage he can't feel it.

Receivers also say that Peyton doesn't have any zip on the ball, his arm is basically gone.

Dang i can't believe he would try and come back and play if he is that damaged. I knew his arm was suspect after the surgeries, but i had no idea he basically has gotten no better over the last 18 months.

I guess this is the way he is going to be. Can't beleive some team is going to sign him if he is that bad.

Somebody that is more knowledgeble than me, would the Redskins still try and sign Manning if he is just a shell of his former self? (and most accounts have him looking that way).[/quote]

This is some grim picture

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/09/polian-predicts-peyton-will-return-at-a-high-level/]Polian predicts Peyton will return “at a high level” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Polian contradicted reports that Peyton hasn’t been able to throw effectively.

“It’s marked [improvement] from where he was back in September,” Polian said regarding Peyton’s arm strength in December, when Polian last observed Manning. “He threw it accurately, he threw it with a good, tight spiral, and he threw it with velocity. Generally, he looked like a pretty confident quarterback out there.”

This meshes with recent comments from Colts kicker Adam Vinatieri, who said last week that Peyton “definitely is not that far off.”

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[quote=skinsfaninok;883838]Colts wouldn't have to trade us luck but I see what ur saying[/quote]
I was just thinking that maybe this adds creadence to SS rumor, that we give the rams Orakpo and the Colts draft picks and move up to number one.

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But Polian's not with the Colts anymore so ultimately his opinion is rather irrelevant

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[quote=T.O.Killa;883833]I was listening to Bill Pollian today and he said that RG3 is an incredible talent, that fits Shannahan perfectly. He also said that he is as good a prospect as Luck. His comments were that he can throw the ball 60 yards with the flick of a wrist and is incredibly accurate and that [B]he looks like a ripped strong safety. It really got me excited.[/B] He also said there is no way he gets past the second pick. Who knows, if he thinks that way maybe the Colts will pick him and trade Luck to us. Either one, would make me happy.[/quote]

Um...

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Hahahahahahahahahahaha

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Is it assholish (FD school of language student) of me to want to see another team leap us and grab RGIII just so I can see many of those guys at ES implode?


I think I would make an account just so I could post this.

[YT]owzhYNcd4OM[/YT]

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I'm looking forward to the time when we aren't debating who we get at QB, but rather whether or not that pick sucked for us... I hate the offseason...

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^ The bad part is we are kings of the offseason. We are super bowl champs in the offseason then come Sept we always get the rude awakening.

I don't think we as fans will ever stop discussing any position though. If we had our QB set it would be WR, or RB, or FS, or ILB, or something. We fans are so passionate about the team we just want them to win.

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I keep going back and forth on this QB stuff. I'm such a passionate Redskins fan, that I'm ready to defend whatever move they make in securing a quarterback. I've had to defend the move for Peyton Manning to a couple of friends who are Ravens fans. One said, "I hope they do get Peyton Manning, it will be very "Redskin" of them. They are too many players away from making it to the big dance" When I tried to explain to him how this is NOT the same as signing Deion Sanders or Bruce Smith, he goes on to say, "It's EXACTLY the same. Peyton is old and the Redskins will overpay to get him like they always do."

In every article I have read, it seems more times than not, the columnist has to put in this line, "The Redskins are always the obvious choice because they like making the big splash in the offseason." Burns me up because, nobody outside of Redskins Park or this close knit family of 'skins fans realize that Vinny Cerrato is no longer employed with the Redskins. The 'skins are under "new management" and Dan Snyder has pretty much delegated himself to stepping out of the spotlight. The last "big name" guy we signed was McNabb, but his contract was not really an outlandish contract.

But anyways, everybody and their brother has said that the Redskins MUST land a quarterback this year, or it's curtains for Shanahan. Those same people will say, "It's the same old Redskins if they pick up Peyton Manning." If the Redskins don't pick up Manning and don't trade up for RGIII, those same people will say, "The Redskins had to settle for another stop gap until they can truly find their guy. <Insert Name Here> just isn't a franchise quarterback." And yet, the same people who say the Redskins are too many players away from making the playoffs are the ones suggesting the 'skins MUST trade up to land RGIII. Doesn't make sense to me, personally. If you're going to argue that the Redskins are several players away from being a good team, then you'd support a move in landing Peyton, because you keep your draft picks and can still draft a good quarterback who could take over in a couple of years. You also have other picks to address those other areas of need.

Yet, when I explain this to them, it's like they all take an ignorant pill. So honestly, I'm so tired trying to explain and defend whatever move we all think the Redskins are going to make. Honestly, I see the sense in getting Peyton, and I see the sense in moving up for RGIII. I'm just like a lot of you guys....tired of not having that franchise QB. I don't think I can wait another season to get him.

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Skinsguy, many of us feel your pain. In the end, it is best to ignore everybody else and wait for(or at least hope) Allen and Shanny to prove all doubters wrong.

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[quote=GridIron26;883944]Skinsguy, many of us feel your pain. In the end, it is best to ignore everybody else and wait for(or at least hope) Allen and Shanny to prove all doubters wrong.[/quote]


Just kind of hard to do, because the fans from other teams seem to be pretty smug in their assessments of the 'skins - which I suppose they have good reason, but still. I had one guy to tell me that the Redskins only really earned one Super Bowl trophy, that the others don't count because of strike shortened years. Really? So all of those previous seasons in which the seasons did not consist of 16 games don't count either??? :doh:

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[quote=skinsguy;883942]I keep going back and forth on this QB stuff. I'm such a passionate Redskins fan, that I'm ready to defend whatever move they make in securing a quarterback. I've had to defend the move for Peyton Manning to a couple of friends who are Ravens fans. One said, "I hope they do get Peyton Manning, it will be very "Redskin" of them. They are too many players away from making it to the big dance" When I tried to explain to him how this is NOT the same as signing Deion Sanders or Bruce Smith, he goes on to say, "It's EXACTLY the same. Peyton is old and the Redskins will overpay to get him like they always do."

In every article I have read, it seems more times than not, the columnist has to put in this line, "The Redskins are always the obvious choice because they like making the big splash in the offseason." Burns me up because, nobody outside of Redskins Park or this close knit family of 'skins fans realize that Vinny Cerrato is no longer employed with the Redskins. The 'skins are under "new management" and Dan Snyder has pretty much delegated himself to stepping out of the spotlight. The last "big name" guy we signed was McNabb, but his contract was not really an outlandish contract.

But anyways, everybody and their brother has said that the Redskins MUST land a quarterback this year, or it's curtains for Shanahan. Those same people will say, "It's the same old Redskins if they pick up Peyton Manning." If the Redskins don't pick up Manning and don't trade up for RGIII, those same people will say, "The Redskins had to settle for another stop gap until they can truly find their guy. <Insert Name Here> just isn't a franchise quarterback." And yet, the same people who say the Redskins are too many players away from making the playoffs are the ones suggesting the 'skins MUST trade up to land RGIII. Doesn't make sense to me, personally. If you're going to argue that the Redskins are several players away from being a good team, then you'd support a move in landing Peyton, because you keep your draft picks and can still draft a good quarterback who could take over in a couple of years. You also have other picks to address those other areas of need.

Yet, when I explain this to them, it's like they all take an ignorant pill. So honestly, I'm so tired trying to explain and defend whatever move we all think the Redskins are going to make. Honestly, I see the sense in getting Peyton, and I see the sense in moving up for RGIII. I'm just like a lot of you guys....tired of not having that franchise QB. I don't think I can wait another season to get him.[/quote]

Preach it man!

I was feeling the same way during the super bowl this year saying to myself 'God the Skins aren't going to be here for a long, long time'

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[quote=SBXVII;883877]Yuk. I think during the Super Bowl Acura showed that they were bringing back their top elite car again which I think looks a lot better.

It's the Acura NSX, awesome car.[/quote]

Ditto on the NSX! The original one was fantastic I'm stoked to see the new one.

Why yuk on the Lexus?

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[quote=skinsguy;883942]
But anyways, everybody and their brother has said that the Redskins MUST land a quarterback this year, or it's curtains for Shanahan. Those same people will say, "It's the same old Redskins if they pick up Peyton Manning." If the Redskins don't pick up Manning and don't trade up for RGIII, those same people will say, "The Redskins had to settle for another stop gap until they can truly find their guy. <Insert Name Here> just isn't a franchise quarterback." And yet, the same people who say the Redskins are too many players away from making the playoffs are the ones suggesting the 'skins MUST trade up to land RGIII. Doesn't make sense to me, personally. If you're going to argue that the Redskins are several players away from being a good team, then you'd support a move in landing Peyton, because you keep your draft picks and can still draft a good quarterback who could take over in a couple of years. You also have other picks to address those other areas of need.

Yet, when I explain this to them, it's like they all take an ignorant pill. So honestly, I'm so tired trying to explain and defend whatever move we all think the Redskins are going to make. Honestly, I see the sense in getting Peyton, and I see the sense in moving up for RGIII. I'm just like a lot of you guys....tired of not having that franchise QB. I don't think I can wait another season to get him.[/quote]

Ha, Ha. I'm 100% in the same frame of mind. and your right the same people who say the Skins are rebuilding or need to are the same people who say the Skins need to throw as many draft picks needed to land RGIII. If we are more then 1 player away from the playoffs or SB then why waist the picks on one player.... pick up a FA QB, trade back for more picks, get a QB and some weapons and start the season.

I don't get it either. Personally the only reason I want PM is so he can help out any Rookie brought in. Will he? everyone thinks not but if and or when he finds out he can't play I'd like to be the team to offer him some form of coaching job simply because of his knowledge. But my dream scenario is Flynn, Blackmon (won't happen cause he'll be gone by #6) or Floyd, and Weeden.

Last year the team went: Defense, Defense, Offense. I hope this year they go Offense, Offense, Defense. The first two could be any order QB/WR or WR/QB, the defense I'd like to see them take a FS only cause the two last year were DL plus Jenkins will be coming back which will be similar to having a draft pick.

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[quote=The Goat;883968]Ditto on the NSX! The original one was fantastic I'm stoked to see the new one.

Why yuk on the Lexus?[/quote]

IDK, I just didn't like the body style. I guess it could grow on me if I see if more. Your post was the first time I saw it.

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[quote=skinsguy;883942]But anyways, everybody and their brother has said that the Redskins MUST land a quarterback this year, or it's curtains for Shanahan. Those same people will say, "It's the same old Redskins if they pick up Peyton Manning." If the Redskins don't pick up Manning and don't trade up for RGIII, those same people will say, "The Redskins had to settle for another stop gap until they can truly find their guy. <Insert Name Here> just isn't a franchise quarterback." And yet, the same people who say the Redskins are too many players away from making the playoffs are the ones suggesting the 'skins MUST trade up to land RGIII. Doesn't make sense to me, personally. If you're going to argue that the Redskins are several players away from being a good team, then you'd support a move in landing Peyton, because you keep your draft picks and can still draft a good quarterback who could take over in a couple of years. You also have other picks to address those other areas of need.[/quote]It is really a remarkable conundrum that Mike Shanahan has built for himself.

Ultimately what people say doesn't matter. If he trades up for RG3 and doesn't have enough depth to win, he's gone. If he sits tight at the quarterback position and builds depth and can't win close games because he doesn't trust the fifth quarterback he handpicked, he's gone. If he goes after Peyton Manning and bypasses a QB in the draft again and Peyton doesn't work out, he's gone.

And yet, if he completely and totally screws up the offseason but leads the team into a 10-6 finish in the regular season, then he gets his contract extended and everybody loves him. Because that's how the NFL works.

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[quote=SBXVII;883977]Ha, Ha. I'm 100% in the same frame of mind. and your right [B]the same people who say the Skins are rebuilding or need to are the same people who say the Skins need to throw as many draft picks needed to land RGIII[/B]. If we are more then 1 player away from the playoffs or SB then why waist the picks on one player.... pick up a FA QB, trade back for more picks, get a QB and some weapons and start the season.[/quote]No. No they are not the same people. They are in fact, different people.

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Skinsguy, to scale it on another note I loved last years draft. All those years of being the "Offseason Mega Team" only to find out those FA's failed or didn't help much killed me. Other team fans would say "Oh here we go again the Skins are going to win the offseason SB only to lose come the regular season."

Now the team does something completely different then what they have done in the past (trading back for more picks and only limited FA pick ups) and it's like the media doesn't know what to do so they tie every FA QB to the Skins this year. The fans are just as bad like they are having DT's and need a fix... lets get PM, Orton, Flynn, Hoyer, Bowe, VJ, etc. etc. etc.

I think it's obvious we have a problem at QB. No one wants Grossman or Beck back next year so the team will definitly need a FA to either start or as a back up, and the same can be said for WR. Moss has been on the decline, but I think we keep him. Bring in a FA WR and draft both QB and WR to develope.

I'm also not a fan of the popular choice. When everyone thought all the QB's would be declaring it was all about Luck. I was somewhat interested in Barkley. Then it was all Luck and Barkley I kinda fell off the Barkley bandwagon and was interested in RGIII. Then RGIII started getting attention I looked at Landry Jones. Barkley and Jones decide to stay in college, the QB pool got thinner and Luck and RGIII are now the only two good QB's cause there is some HUGE drop off.

Now I'm on to Weeden. He's my Andy Dalton. Weeden has the arm to make all the throws. He already has some knowlege of our system. He plays well with others (lol) I mean the coaches and he get along. and lastly I heard or read from some retired QB that they like Weeden also because he throws the ball with a tight spiral and it doesn't matter how strong you are what really matters is how tight of a spiral you throw cause thats what will cut through the air on windy days.

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[quote=GTripp0012;883981]It is really a remarkable conundrum that Mike Shanahan has built for himself.

Ultimately what people say doesn't matter. If he trades up for RG3 and doesn't have enough depth to win, he's gone. If he sits tight at the quarterback position and builds depth and can't win close games because he doesn't trust the fifth quarterback he handpicked, he's gone. If he goes after Peyton Manning and bypasses a QB in the draft again and Peyton doesn't work out, he's gone.

And yet, if he completely and totally screws up the offseason but leads the team into a 10-6 finish in the regular season, then he gets his contract extended and everybody loves him. Because that's how the NFL works.[/quote]


This is another topic. Everyone is on the bandwagon that if he has another bad year he's gone. No matter what. Personally I think after 10 yrs of whatever D.Snyder was doing not working out I think he's trying something different. Consistancy. I think there was a huge improvement from year one with our WR's and OL this year. Other point to yards and points and say otherwise but the team looked more like a team. I think given his full 5 years I think we all will be impressed and he can sign his new contract then.

The problem is there was so much to fix/change. I think the defense did very well last year and with an offensive infusion this year and a better understanding of the blocking the OL will be much improved, the WR's will hopefully be much improved with atleast 1 FA WR, 1 drafted WR, and Hankerson. Our RB's played admirably but I might draft 1 big bull dozing RB for short yardage unless they are happy with the Fullback. I don't think we are 1 player away but I think we are closer then everyone thinks when it comes to making the playoffs and making a run for the SB.

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When trying to find our QB seems like Shanny and Kyle arent on the same page, meaning they like different people for different reasons and cant seem to agree on one. They need to come together and by into an overall plan. Or is it some type of family pass down flaw where shanny's ego has a hatter mechanism, meaning when one takes a position the other must take the opposite position.

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[quote=SBXVII;883984]This is another topic. Everyone is on the bandwagon that if he has another bad year he's gone. No matter what. Personally I think after 10 yrs of whatever D.Snyder was doing not working out I think he's trying something different. Consistancy. I think there was a huge improvement from year one with our WR's and OL this year. Other point to yards and points and say otherwise but the team looked more like a team. I think given his full 5 years I think we all will be impressed and he can sign his new contract then.

The problem is there was so much to fix/change. I think the defense did very well last year and with an offensive infusion this year and a better understanding of the blocking the OL will be much improved, the WR's will hopefully be much improved with atleast 1 FA WR, 1 drafted WR, and Hankerson. Our RB's played admirably but I might draft 1 big bull dozing RB for short yardage unless they are happy with the Fullback. I don't think we are 1 player away but I think we are closer then everyone thinks when it comes to making the playoffs and making a run for the SB.[/quote]The problem I have with acknowledging the improvement from year one to year two of the Shanahan clan is that you have to ignore how much the team (offense and defense) declined from year one B.S. (before Shanahan) to the first year of the Shanahan clan. If you understand statistical regression, it makes what was accomplished this year sort of expected.

And giving him credit for tearing apart any established talent on the team before heroically leading the offense back to where Jim Zorn and Steve Spurrier had gone before just seems like an aggressive ploy to give meaning to an era of Redskins football that has been pretty meaningless. But that's just me.

With that said, I don't have a huge problem with how Mike Shanahan has attempted to solve the problem he got handed in 2010. It's just that I think that both the execution and results have been clumsy. I believe that Shanahan's model could have been replicated by about 27 other coaches in this league with more success. Of course, those 27 are employed by other teams and it's not like we could have just hired them away, so this is probably just sour grapes on my part. Might as well live with what we have.

And if what we have next year is Rob Chudzynski, I think we'll all be better for it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;883982]No. No they are not the same people. They are in fact, different people.[/quote]

In any event I find it weird how everyone has a totally different idea of where the Skins are at and how far they need to go.

1- we are way off and need to save our draft picks and trade back.
2- we are so close we just need a quality QB.
3- we need a Vet lets get PM.
4- lets not get PM cause he's never going to play again.
5- lets get Orton cause he's 100x better then Grossman.
6- lets go all in for RGIII. because it's all about the QB position.

AAAAHHHHH. Again I don't think we are far away from the play offs but I'm tired of being the Offseason SB team only to struggle during the season. A lot of us fans were wanting the Skins to follow the N.E. example of using the draft to build a team. Did they ever throw two or three yrs worth of top picks away for any one player? I don't recall them doing so.

A- will PM be healthy? who knows but he's a FA and we keep our draft picks. His knowledge is invaluable and could help the team.

B- Orton to me is not much of an upgrade over Grossman.

C- Flynn although a backup is healthy, showed he can make all the throws, and did fairly well against arguably one of the better defenses Detroit.

D- RGIII. I get it. he's awesome. but who will he be throwing to? Moss is getting old, and Hankerson has not proven himself yet. Gaffney and AA?

E- Luck? I can actually see him falling to #6. If the Colts take RGIII then Luck is very similar to what the other teams already have maybe slightly better. I see the reason RGIII won't fall is because he is not like the others, he does so much with his own legs like Vick back in the day.

F- 2nd round QB's? I think they are closer then people give them credit for. Tannehill, Cousins, Wilson, Weeden, I belive could all start as long as they have a decent OL to provide protection and giving them time to find a target. Just like Andy Dalton.

and "F" is why I'm saying lets save our picks, trade back to aquire more picks, get a QB and some weapons and continue to build the OL. Defensively I'm confused about the talk of needing a CB because we have a ton of them. We need a FS who can cover sideline to sideline and help break up passes or make the tackle. I can buy the ILB a little bit for developement for when Fletcher retires. Otherwise OL, and WR's and QB's.

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[quote=Chico23231;883989]When trying to find our QB seems like Shanny and Kyle arent on the same page, meaning they like different people for different reasons and cant seem to agree on one. They need to come together and by into an overall plan. Or is it some type of family pass down flaw where shanny's ego has a hatter mechanism, meaning when one takes a position the other must take the opposite position.[/quote]

Sorry folks I'll keep this one small. I think it boils down to the offensive scheme. It's obvious they both would want different QB's cause their schemes are different. MS is mostly run with a little passing. KS is mostly passing with a little run. But the key is who's system are we using? we need a QB for that system.

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[quote=SBXVII;883978]IDK, I just didn't like the body style. I guess it could grow on me if I see if more. Your post was the first time I saw it.[/quote]

I didn't know what I thought of the Lexus first time I saw it either...kind of reminded me of an edgier 350Z. A friend has the Z convertable sweet car no doubt but not for $375k. More I looked at it the Lexus looks like a race machine and the performance is inane!!!