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[quote=SmootSmack;892054]It doesn't happen around the league where more than just players are involved. Skins are going to get nothing but a fine, if that.[/quote]

I'm 100% OK with a fair sanction like that...it just needs to be fair. Meaning the league is going to have to spend the next several years probably hunting this crap down across the league going back however many years.

It sounds to me like honestly the league is just pissed they tried to end this quietly and the organization seemed to basically ignore them. I mean Benson told Loomis to stop it and Loomis didn't stop it...yet Loomis has a job still? I know in my job if my boss hauls me into his office and point-blank tells me to do something i either do it or get fired.

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[quote=skinsfan69;892049]I get your point clearly. I have yet to hear ONE player say that Gregg Williams wanted his defensive players to INTENTIONALLY hurt a guy where he wanted them to take a guy out for the sake of ending his career....and then pay them for it. If you hit a guy hard, and it's a CLEAN hit, and he gets carted off the field then guess what? That's football. What Phillip Daniels did back in 05 was great. If he gets extra cash and is praised in front of his co-workers then I'm all for it.[/quote]

Dude really? Just stop. How can you even think that paying guys cash bonuses to get a man carted off the field does in no way imply malicious intent?

Going out there with the intent to put a man on a stretcher IS intentionally trying to hurt him. It's so cut and dry, it's baffling that you can't wrap your brain around it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;892058]I think I speak for all of us when I say...I want Skinsfan69's job[/quote]

pretty much, especially when bonuses are taxed at a much higher rate. Something like 38%-40%

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[quote=skinsfan69;892049][B]I get your point clearly. I have yet to hear ONE player say that Gregg Williams wanted his defensive players to INTENTIONALLY hurt a guy where he wanted them to take a guy out for the sake of ending his career....and then pay them for it. [/B]If you hit a guy hard, and it's a CLEAN hit, and he gets carted off the field then guess what? That's football. What Phillip Daniels did back in 05 was great. If he gets extra cash and is praised in front of his co-workers then I'm all for it.[/quote]

WRONG.

This from Bufffalo:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275de8b/article/williams-reportedly-also-ran-bounty-system-as-bills-head-coach]NFL.com news: Former Bills safety Wire reveals 'bounty' system under Williams[/url]

[I]Wire [URL="http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article747663.ece"]told The Buffalo News[/URL] in Sunday's editions that "there was financial compensation" for delivering hits that seriously injured opponents, and three other former teammates, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also confirmed it to the newspaper.[/I]

So there you go. There's a player saying guys were paid to deliver hits that "seriously injured opponents."

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[quote=GMScud;892062]Dude really? Just stop. How can you even think that paying guys cash bonuses to get a man carted off the field does in no way imply malicious intent?

Going out there with the intent to put a man on a stretcher IS intentionally trying to hurt him. It's so cut and dry, it's baffling that you can't wrap your brain around it.[/quote]

Sometimes people only see what they want to. Maybe you should johnny5dickey him. ;)

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[quote=FRPLG;892061]I'm 100% OK with a fair sanction like that...it just needs to be fair. Meaning the league is going to have to spend the next several years probably hunting this crap down across the league going back however many years.

It sounds to me like honestly the league is just pissed they tried to end this quietly and the organization seemed to basically ignore them. I mean Benson told Loomis to stop it and Loomis didn't stop it...yet Loomis has a job still? I know in my job if my boss hauls me into his office and point-blank tells me to do something i either do it or get fired.[/quote]

Yeah, that and the fact the Saints (maybe it was Loomis, not sure who exactly) at first denied it was even happening.

I'm still really curious to know if the Rams knew about this before they hire Gregg Williams to be their defensive coordinator. Because if they did, I can't believe they hired him. And if they didn't, I can't believe the league didn't warn them about this investigation.

I'm also a bit surprised considering this investigation that the NFL would choose the Saints to be participants in the Hall of Fame game

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The NFL has always been a rough league. It's been that way since the days of leather helmets. Gregg Williams was wrong because he disrespected the game in the way he did, and plus as much as I wanted him to be the head coach of the Washington Redskins after Gibbs stepped down, I'm now shaking my head and sort of glad that Daniel Snyder didn't hire him because as a head coach, the level of his disrespect for the game would have been greater. He's a great defensive coordinator. I give him that. In a way, as a life long Redskins fan, I did want him to be our head coach. But I see him differently now. If Roger Goddell severly punishes Williams, and I know he will, Williams could always go to North Western, Central Arkansas, or North Texas and have a job in building up a college football program.

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[quote=Mattyk;892059][url=http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-02/sports/ct-spt-0304-bowen-nfl--20120304_1_bounties-head-coach-nfl]Matt Bowen: Bounties are part of the NFL - Chicago Tribune[/url][/quote]

Springs with another take

[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/03/springs-on-bounties-that-wasnt-what-it-was.html]Springs on bounties: "That wasn't what it was" - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

Either way, there are certainly players saying the intent was to harm. This was known and encouraged all the way up to the general manager. A convicted felon helped fund the program. The Saints were warned and did nothing. All those things combined lead to serious penalties being levied on the Saints.

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[quote=SmootSmack;892072]Yeah, that and the fact the Saints (maybe it was Loomis, not sure who exactly) at first denied it was even happening.

I'm still really curious to know if the Rams knew about this before they hire Gregg Williams to be their defensive coordinator. Because if they did, I can't believe they hired him. And if they didn't, I can't believe the league didn't warn them about this investigation.

I'm also a bit surprised considering this investigation that the NFL would choose the Saints to be participants in the Hall of Fame game[/quote]

Great points. As far as GW's hiring by the Rams, I wouldn't be surprised if his buddy Jeff Fisher knew about his bounty program. Whether or not he was going to allow it in his locker room is a different story. But yeah, it's strange that the NFL wouldn't have informed the Rams about the investigation and the potential severity of the situation.

As far as the HOF game, do the Saints have some important former players up for selection or something? It's a shame because instead of celebration the history of the game, that entire week is going to be bounty-gate ad nausem.

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Per Adam Schefter, GW is in NYC today meeting with NFL officials.

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NFL Live 4 pm E/T on ESPN today. Special Roundtable discussion of Bounties in the NFL.

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[quote=Mattyk;892051]Not sure where you work but my bonuses come with taxes already taken out.[/quote]

I've worked at places where there were cash bonuses.

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[quote=skinsfan69;892084]I've worked at places where there were cash bonuses.[/quote]

Chippendale Club?

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[quote=Mattyk;892034]I do, it's illegal, and I'm sure the IRS has an eye on this too since I don't think these guys were claiming the additional income.[/quote]

The whole evading taxes bit here is a petty reason to be honest. Let's think about how many office pools across America that are never reported as income. However, the bigger issue in all of this is circumventing the salary cap. Looked what happened to the Minnesota Timberwolves when they tried to pay Joe Smith under the table. They got slammed big time.


I really don't think bonuses for head hunting really mean anything these days because the fines usually occurred by dirty play will always be greater than that of the pool they might be winning. However, no coach should teach or suggest dirty play of any sort. You can knock opponents out of the game without having to succumb to dirty tactics.

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[quote=GMScud;892069]WRONG.

This from Bufffalo:

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275de8b/article/williams-reportedly-also-ran-bounty-system-as-bills-head-coach"]NFL.com news: Former Bills safety Wire reveals 'bounty' system under Williams[/URL]

[I]Wire [URL="http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article747663.ece"]told The Buffalo News[/URL] in Sunday's editions that "there was financial compensation" for delivering hits that seriously injured opponents, and three other former teammates, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also confirmed it to the newspaper.[/I]

So there you go. There's a player saying guys were paid to deliver hits that "seriously injured opponents."[/quote]

OK so you've got your one guy that hit a guy legally that knocked him out of the game. But you've also got several that say..."no big deal, this is a part of football"....I'm not goiing to get into a pissing contest with you over this. You've got your opinion and I've got mine.

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[quote=skinsfan69;892084]I've worked at places where there were cash bonuses.[/quote]

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[quote=NC_Skins;892086]The whole [B]invading[/B] taxes bit here is a petty reason to be honest. Let's think about how many office pools across America that are never reported as income. However, the bigger issue in all of this is circumventing the salary cap. Looked what happened to the Minnesota Timberwolves when they tried to pay Joe Smith under the table. They got slammed big time.


I really don't think bonuses for head hunting really mean anything these days because the fines usually occurred by dirty play will always be greater than that of the pool they might be winning. However, no coach should teach or suggest dirty play of any sort. You can knock opponents out of the game without having to succumb to dirty tactics.[/quote]

evade. Evading taxes. Invading would be by Seal Team 6.

Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
 

[quote=NC_Skins;892086]The whole invading taxes bit here is a petty reason to be honest. Let's think about how many office pools across America that are never reported as income. However, the bigger issue in all of this is circumventing the salary cap. Looked what happened to the Minnesota Timberwolves when they tried to pay Joe Smith under the table. They got slammed big time.


I really don't think bonuses for head hunting really mean anything these days because the fines usually occurred by dirty play will always be greater than that of the pool they might be winning. However, no coach should teach or suggest dirty play of any sort. You can knock opponents out of the game without having to succumb to dirty tactics.[/quote]

Petty? We're not talking about a couple of bucks in a measly office pool, we're talking thousands of dollars flying around. Vilma reportedly tossed $10k on a table for someone to take out Favre in the '09 playoff game. Don't you think the IRS wants a piece of that?

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[quote=FRPLG;892052]Even though it is against the rules? Blatantly so. Oh, and illegal.[/quote]

It's against the rules to give a player a few extra dollars for decking Tony Romo. I guess Daniels is going to hell and jail for not paying the IRS. :rolleyes:

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[quote=skinsfan69;892087][B]OK so you've got your one guy that hit a guy legally that knocked him out of the game.[/B] But you've also got several that say..."no big deal, this is a part of football"....I'm not goiing to get into a pissing contest with you over this. You've got your opinion and I've got mine.[/quote]

There's more than one guy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;892092]It's against the rules to give a player a few extra dollars for decking Tony Romo. I guess Daniels is going to hell and jail for not paying the IRS. :rolleyes:[/quote]

There is an exemption clause that makes it legal to put bounties on Cowboys players.

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[quote=SkinzWin;892085]Chippendale Club?

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Not quite. A major communications company that you've probably done business with.

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[quote=skinsfan69;892087]OK so you've got your one guy that hit a guy legally that knocked him out of the game. But you've also got several that say..."no big deal, this is a part of football"....I'm not goiing to get into a pissing contest with you over this. You've got your opinion and I've got mine.[/quote]

It's actually 4 players from the Bills alone saying there was payment for intentionally injuring guys.

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[quote=SkinzWin;892095]There is an exemption clause that makes it legal to put bounties on Cowboys players.[/quote]

That's what I'm saying. This place has some hypocrites.

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[quote=Mattyk;892090]Petty? We're not talking about a couple of bucks in a measly office pool, we're talking thousands of dollars flying around. Vilma reportedly tossed $10k on a table for someone to take out Favre in the '09 playoff game. Don't you think the IRS wants a piece of that?[/quote]

I agree with you but what about this example? Michael Jordan admittedly putting 100k on one hole of golf?

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[quote=skinsfan69;892098]That's what I'm saying. This place has some hypocrites.[/quote]

That was a joke.

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[quote=SkinzWin;892089]evade. Evading taxes. Invading would be by Seal Team 6.[/quote]

Good point. When it comes to taxes, they usually do send in Seal Team 6. :P

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[quote=skinsfan69;892096]Not quite. A major communications company that you've probably done business with.[/quote]

I know. These guys work for them. This is what they do on the weekends.

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[quote=SmootSmack;891297][B]There were a lot of things Williams kept from Gibbs[/B], which was one reason Snyder was always kind of suspicious of him. I'm guessing this was one if them

On the other hand, Gibbs had to have some idea of Williams' way since he was essentially a Buddy Ryan clone, one of the few people Gibbs legitimately could not stand[/quote]

The 10 man defense for instance.

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[quote=GMScud;892097]It's actually 4 players from the Bills alone saying there was payment for intentionally injuring guys.[/quote]

If that is true then he should be punished. Most of the guys I've heard talk don't think it's a big deal and neither do I.

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[quote=GMScud;892081]Great points. As far as GW's hiring by the Rams, I wouldn't be surprised if his buddy Jeff Fisher knew about his bounty program. Whether or not he was going to allow it in his locker room is a different story. But yeah, it's strange that the NFL wouldn't have informed the Rams about the investigation and the potential severity of the situation.

As far as the HOF game, do the Saints have some important former players up for selection or something? It's a shame because instead of celebration the history of the game, that entire week is going to be bounty-gate ad nausem.[/quote]

Willie Roaf

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[quote=Mattyk;892090]Petty? We're not talking about a couple of bucks in a measly office pool, we're talking thousands of dollars flying around. Vilma reportedly tossed $10k on a table for someone to take out Favre in the '09 playoff game. Don't you think the IRS wants a piece of that?[/quote]

Add up all the money from all those pools and that 10k is like comparing a penny to Bill Gates fortune.

I'm not disagreeing the IRS doesn't want a slice, because they want to rob you blind whenever they can. I just said this point was petty to argue the case (even if it is true).

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[quote=skinsfan69;892098]That's what I'm saying. This place has some hypocrites.[/quote]

I would certainly classify someone as being hypocritical if they root for injury while watching a game and then turn around have a big issue with this bounty thing.

I don't think there are too many regular posters around here who sincerely cheer for the Redskins opponents to get injured.

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[quote=NC_Skins;892109]Add up all the money from all those pools and that 10k is like comparing a penny to Bill Gates fortune.

I'm not disagreeing the IRS doesn't want a slice, because they want to rob you blind whenever they can. I just said this point was petty to argue the case (even if it is true).[/quote]

My point on the IRS was really just a side point to the bigger issue, but regardless, anytime the IRS looks in your direction, I wouldn't call the issue petty.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/irs-could-be-interested-in-undeclared-bounty-payments/]IRS could be interested in undeclared bounty payments | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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As long as no one finds out about the Warpath bounties.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;891966]they're called Hardees[/quote]interesting. what is the big carl called? it's their version of a big mac

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[quote=los panda;892133]interesting. what is the big carl called? it's their version of a big mac[/quote]

[URL="http://www.hardees.com/menu"]Thickburgers[/URL]

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;892121]As long as no one finds out about the Warpath bounties.[/quote]

Shut your mouth!

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[quote=SkinzWin;892135][URL="http://www.hardees.com/menu"]Thickburgers[/URL][/quote]which one is the big mac one?

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[quote=SmootSmack;892137]Shut your mouth![/quote]

So who is having a meeting in the principal's office today with you SS?