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[quote=Ruhskins;896546]REDSKINS Statement on the Cap Penalties:

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2012/03/12/statement-on-adjusted-salary-cap-reports/]The Redskins Blog | Statement On Adjusted Salary Cap Reports[/url]

I think Danny may come out guns blazing.[/quote]

Hell Yeah!!! Bruce Allen!!!

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"[B]Every contract entered into by the club[/B] during the applicable periods complied with the 2010 and 2011 collective bargaining agreements and,[B] in fact, were approved by the NFL commissioner’s office[/B]."

Translation: F*CK YOU GOODELL!!

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Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder should sue the league, Al Davis style. I wasn't a fan of AD, but he certainly would be all over this, and for good reason. This whole deal is just ridiculous, and reeks of corruption at some level.

The other 30 owners should feel very uneasy (even if they agree that Skins/Cowboys did something wrong) about the league office handing down a penalty like this. It sets a very bad precedent.

I keep waiting for the news of our newly acquired #2 pick being taken from us due to what Gregg Williams has been accused of while here. Today's news makes that thought not so far fetched.

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Hit them in the knees danny boy.

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[quote=Ruhskins;896552]Not celebration, but it seems that the Redskins are not going to take this laying down.[/quote]

Good

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[quote=Ruhskins;896555]"[B]Every contract entered into by the club[/B] during the applicable periods complied with the 2010 and 2011 collective bargaining agreements and,[B] in fact, were approved by the NFL commissioner’s office[/B]."

Translation: F*CK YOU GOODELL!![/quote]

YEAH BRUCEEEEEEE!
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In related news, Dan Snyder just bought this statue and plans to have it put in front of the NFL offices in New York City.

[IMG]http://www.thecoolist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Maurizio-Cattelan-Middle-Finger-Statue-1.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Ruhskins;896565]In related news, Dan Snyder just bought this statue and plans to have it put in front of the NFL offices in New York City.

[IMG]http://www.thecoolist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Maurizio-Cattelan-Middle-Finger-Statue-1.jpg[/IMG][/quote]
Awesome

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So what I'm getting from that is there will be nothing that stops the Redskins tomorrow.

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Here's whats going to happen if the NFL decides to go after the Skins cap space.
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^Hello Eric Winston!

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[quote=los panda;896530]show your work, those numbers confuse me[/quote]

We have 40 million cap room this year, we are losing 36 over the next two. So say we take a 20 million hit this year and have 20 left to spend this year. Then next year we are going to lose 16 million again. Oooooor was that sarcasm that snuck right by me?

Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones are probably the only two people that can afford better attorneys than the NFL. Take em down Danny Boy.

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Statement from the Cowgirls:

The Dallas Cowboys were in compliance with all league salary cap rules during the uncapped year. We look forward to the start of the free agency period where our commitment to improving our team remains unchanged.

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[quote=Brody81;896575]Statement from the Cowgirls:

The Dallas Cowboys were in compliance with all league salary cap rules during the uncapped year. We look forward to the start of the free agency period where our commitment to improving our team remains unchanged.[/quote]

One of the top comments on the ESPN story:
[quote][B]BucktheYankeesandSox[/B]
Roger Godell is the only person on earth who could unite Redskins and Cowboys fans.
[B]524 fans like this.
4 Hours Ago[/B]
[/quote]

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[quote=GTripp0012;896434][INDENT]Green Bay - 582
Philadelphia - 530
Pittsburgh - 522
Atlanta - 509
Houston - 490
New England - 488
New Orleans - 477
NY Jets - 466
Dallas - 466
Baltimore - 449
San Francisco - 447
Chicago - 434
San Diego - 432
Detroit - 420
NY Giants - 414
Jacksonville - 413
Miami - 412
Carolina - 408
Arizona - 407
Tennessee - 381
Buffalo - 380
Minnesota - 371
Kansas City - 370
Oakland - 361
Denver - 343
Cincinnati - 326
Tampa Bay - 316
Washington - 315
Cleveland - 315
Seattle - 289
St. Louis - 287
Indianapolis - 199[/INDENT]
That's current as of Sellers' release. So yeah, there's a gap in the NFC between the haves the four have nots.

I'll repost this list after everyone's cuts come in. It will change significantly.[/quote]Revise after todays signings and cuts:

Green Bay - 582
Philadelphia - 530
Pittsburgh - 522
Atlanta - 509
New England - 488
New Orleans - 477
NY Jets - 466
Dallas - 466
Houston - 464
Baltimore - 449
San Francisco - 447
Chicago - 434
San Diego - 432
Detroit - 420
NY Giants - 414
Jacksonville - 413
Miami - 412
Carolina - 408
Arizona - 407
Tennessee - 381
Buffalo - 380
Minnesota - 376
Kansas City - 372
Oakland - 343
Denver - 343
Cincinnati - 326
Tampa Bay - 316
Cleveland - 309
Washington - 304
Seattle - 289
St. Louis - 210
Indianapolis - 199

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Jesus Christ. Way to go Skins. Well, I guess this is the business as usual in Washington they're always talking about.

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So, perhaps the move is: **** you. Either show us the documented infraction, properly served, or we are not going to give you a cent from our caps.

Then the league will have to pony up some documentation, and we can appeal in the usual way. But to pony up the documentation would expose just how ****ed and targeted this punishment is. Then the skins and cowroids can say, hey, what about the bears, pack, etc? And off we go.

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So we had to cut Atogwe. That's great. And there's a good chance we'll have to cut Hall? What a secondary!

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[quote=Paintrain;896519]They can't put brakes on the entire process. Push it into next year and the. Get into court. It's dumb to freeze the whole league to sort this out.[/quote]

and thats my point. Either stop the whole NFL process since they seemed to wait till the last minute to bring it up or hold off with any punishments until the team or both teams can argue their cases. One would hope there is an appeal process for this and that the punishement is held off untill the appeal can be heard.

I just don't see how Collusion applies;
[url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/collusion]Collusion | Define Collusion at Dictionary.com[/url]

[quote]
[B]col·lu·sion[/B]

   /kəˈluʒən/ [URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html"][/URL]Show Spelled[kuh-loo-zhuhn] [URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.html"][/URL]Show IPA
[COLOR=#333333]noun[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]1.[/COLOR] a [COLOR=#333333]secret[/COLOR] agreement, especially for fraudulent or treacherous [COLOR=#0055bb]purposes;[/COLOR] conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in [COLOR=#333333]collusion[/COLOR] to rob him.

2. Law . a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain [COLOR=#333333]something[/COLOR] illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to [COLOR=#333333]appear[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]as[/COLOR] adversaries though in [COLOR=#333333]agreement:[/COLOR] collusion of husband and wife to [COLOR=#333333]obtain[/COLOR] a [COLOR=#333333]divorce.[/COLOR]



[/quote]

Ok so
A- who did the Skins have a secret agreement with?
B- who was frauded?
C- for what treacherous purposes?

the second definition;
A- who did the Skins have a secret understanding with?
B- how did the Skins gain anything legally?
C- who's rights were defrauded?
D- who was our adversary in agreement?

Please don't say we colluded with Dallas to defraud the other owners of their rights to what? get below the CAP? WTF? and if it was illegal wouldn't the Feds be getting involved? Oh wait... there was no rule or law against it. So at this point all the owners can do is come together in their monthly meeting and all agree they don't want it to happen again and then pass some rule saying they can't do it. Otherwise.... get off our backs because you all didn't think of it.

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People keep saying the league warned teams not to do this. Who gives a flying **** what the NFL warned teams not to do? What matters is what is on paper in legal terms. They can't make rules on the fly, which is exactly why the CBA is put in place.

Did you see the league punish the Bears for their bullshit trade they messed up even though they "agreed" on? Nope. So neither should these bullcrap terms either.



[quote=Ruhskins;896565]In related news, Dan Snyder just bought this statue and plans to have it put in front of the NFL offices in New York City.

[IMG]http://www.thecoolist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Maurizio-Cattelan-Middle-Finger-Statue-1.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

:laughing-

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Hopefully the league doesn't say FU we won't approve the trade for the #2 pick..

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This pic is making the rounds on TOS and Cowboy forums.
[url]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/thehoofbite/Untitled1-1.jpg[/url]

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this is a damn whirlwind, i really dont know whats going to happen. I cant help to think that these reports are completely bogus, can we really just go on with free agency like we have all out our cap money?

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[quote=Brody81;896587]Hopefully the league doesn't say FU we won't approve the trade for the #2 pick..[/quote]

If the penalty was only this year, they could do this.

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[quote=GTripp0012;896578]Revise after todays signings and cuts:

Green Bay - 582
Philadelphia - 530
Pittsburgh - 522
Atlanta - 509
New England - 488
New Orleans - 477
NY Jets - 466
Dallas - 466
Houston - 464
Baltimore - 449
San Francisco - 447
Chicago - 434
San Diego - 432
Detroit - 420
NY Giants - 414
Jacksonville - 413
Miami - 412
Carolina - 408
Arizona - 407
Tennessee - 381
Buffalo - 380
Minnesota - 376
Kansas City - 372
Oakland - 343
Denver - 343
Cincinnati - 326
Tampa Bay - 316
Cleveland - 309
Washington - 304
Seattle - 289
St. Louis - 210
Indianapolis - 199[/quote]
What are these numbers?

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Snyder, Bruce Allen, and Shanahan will be wearing this tomorrow...

[IMG]http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/ee/a/AAAAAtJp3eMAAAAAAO6hkg.jpg?v=1207938258000[/IMG]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;896588]This pic is making the rounds on TOS and Cowboy forums.
[url]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/thehoofbite/Untitled1-1.jpg[/url][/quote]

- That's a great pic. Peppers' cap hit is ridiculous.

- Loved the Skins' response.

- It's ironic they're targeting the 2 teams/owners whose "generosity" is the main reason they're able to keep this whole salary cap system working in the 1st place. Think the Colts would be able to keep Peyton for [B]14 years [/B]without a salary cap??

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This will Chap your ass..

MarkMaske ‏ @MarkMaske Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Some within the league urged Commissioner Roger Goodell to strip draft picks from the Redskins, one person familiar with the case said.

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[quote=SBXVII;896585]and thats my point. Either stop the whole NFL process since they seemed to wait till the last minute to bring it up or hold off with any punishments until the team or both teams can argue their cases. One would hope there is an appeal process for this and that the punishement is held off untill the appeal can be heard.

I just don't see how Collusion applies;
[url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/collusion]Collusion | Define Collusion at Dictionary.com[/url]



Ok so
A- who did the Skins have a secret agreement with?ju
B- who was frauded?
C- for what treacherous purposes?

the second definition;
A- who did the Skins have a secret understanding with?
B- how did the Skins gain anything legally?
C- who's rights were defrauded?
D- who was our adversary in agreement?

Please don't say we colluded with Dallas to defraud the other owners of their rights to what? get below the CAP? WTF? and if it was illegal wouldn't the Feds be getting involved? Oh wait... there was no rule or law against it. So at this point all the owners can do is come together in their monthly meeting and all agree they don't want it to happen again and then pass some rule saying they can't do it. Otherwise.... get off our backs because you all didn't think of it.[/quote]
No one said the skins colluded. The league colluded and the skins and cowboys essentially did not

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[quote=Dirtbag59;896445]Lol, yeah Tripp is probably the smartest guy here, it's just sometime he enjoys speaking in calculus while the rest of us are left dazed and confused.[/quote]Sometimes, I'm not smart enough to figure out what the hell I was trying to say.

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[quote=Brody81;896595]This will Chap your ass..

MarkMaske ‏ @MarkMaske Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Some within the league urged Commissioner Roger Goodell to strip draft picks from the Redskins, one person familiar with the case said.[/quote]

This is so stupid. Like seriously, the league approved every single contract... how do you go back on it two years later? Love that graphic thats on the cowboys forum and love both Washington and Dallas' response to this.

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MarkMaske ‏ @MarkMaske Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
[B][U]Some within the league[/U][/B] urged Commissioner Roger Goodell to strip draft picks from the Redskins, one person familiar with the case said.

Browns owner.. :-)

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;896594]-
- It's ironic they're targeting the 2 teams/owners whose "generosity" is the main reason they're able to keep this whole salary cap system working in the 1st place. Think the Colts would be able to keep Peyton for [B]14 years [/B]without a salary cap??[/quote]

Right--sorry we subsidized your friggin Superbowl win.

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[quote=Brody81;896599]MarkMaske ‏ @MarkMaske Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
[B][U]Some within the league[/U][/B] urged Commissioner Roger Goodell to strip draft picks from the Redskins, one person familiar with the case said.

Browns owner.. :-)[/quote]

This guy
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I know I'm going to be in the minority here, but I say resign Fletcher and add no FA's this year. Take as much of the hit this year as possible while still signing the rookies and the UDFA's. Then we'd have $60 mil for next offseason when RG3 has a year of experience and has worked out some chemistry with Davis and Hankerson.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;896548]“The Washington Redskins have received no written documentation from the NFL concerning adjustments to the team salary cap in 2012 as reported in various media outlets. Every contract entered into by the club during the applicable periods complied with the 2010 and 2011 collective bargaining agreements and, in fact, were approved by the NFL commissioner’s office. We look forward to free agency, the draft and the coming football season.”

Hmmmmm. Is it to early to celebrate? I mean [B]Adam Schefter is confirming[/B] that the Redskins will indeed be docked.[/quote]

The real question is what does JLC know about this...

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^ the other 28 teams colluded by aggreeing not to do the things that the skins and boy's did. We are being punished for not doing something illegal

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This is so ridiculous !

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[quote=CapitalDefense;896559]Hit them in the knees danny boy.[/quote]

Let's hire the Saints D to take out the league office