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maybe I missed this but don't we have a new secondary coach? How come no trashing him?

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[quote=tmandoug1;944305]maybe I missed this but don't we have a new secondary coach? How come no trashing him?[/quote]

It's hard to trash him if we don't know the whole situation. What if he is actually against the way Haslett is running the defense and would rather control the secondary his way? Who knows who is actually running the show back there. I would think Haslett is still calling the plays for the defense, and I'm pretty sure most of them already have a plan for the db's in place. But like I said, I have no idea how much input he has in the situation so I'm not gonna criticize him.

[QUOTE=aircoryell;944291]Given the circumstances at the time the decisions had to be made Shanahan absolutely made the right call.
It's easy to second guess down the road when you know the outcome.[/QUOTE]

this is one truth. another truth is there are no absolutes. lets say we kept rogers at his price, do we know he would have mimiced his pro bowl year? we don't.

what would 18mill in cap space last offseason meant to our oline depth and/or secondary? probably 2 upgraded bodies competing in camp. SS's point about offenses playing down to our offense makes alot of sense to me at this point.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;944307]this is one truth. another truth is there are no absolutes. lets say we kept rogers at his price, do we know he would have mimiced his pro bowl year? we don't.

what would 18mill in cap space last offseason meant to our oline depth and/or secondary? probably 2 upgraded bodies competing in camp. SS's point about offenses playing down to our offense makes alot of sense to me at this point.[/QUOTE]

We could have upgraded two positions anyway by giving up on known weaknesses. This is what we chose.

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[quote=Ruhskins;944202]All these Hall cry babies are making me sick. Get the f*ck over it, you can cut Hall fifty times over this season and the team will still have a million problems.

Furthermore, I hate when people cry about people like Carlos Rogers, who played like sh*t for the team and left on his own accord or Laron Landry who also sucked when he played here. You know what? F*CK Rogers and F*CK Landry, they don't play for my team anymore.[/quote]

This, this, and this

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Good overview by Keim:

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/bengals-38-redskins-31-ten-observations/article/2508829#.UF_Bao1lRcp]Bengals 38, Redskins 31: Ten Observations | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;944302]Here's the point that I'm making with Orakpo: it's easy to find fault with anyone after they are gone. The shanahans have made an Art of it. If Orakpo doesn't have a rebound year in 2013 and the defense continues to struggle, you can either try to build around your best players, or point out that they want more money that you're willing to play and move on without them. Doing the latter gets you the Redskins current secondary. It almost cost the Redskins London Fletcher. It could cost them Orakpo.[/quote]

So to summarize you're suggesting we should have overpaid for Rogers and Landry. Regardless of what course of action the Shanahans decided on they would have been wrong. And you're also trying to tie Brian Orakpo into the same argument by comparing him to two underwhelming performing secondary players.
And no, we were never in danger of losing Fletcher...

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More thoughts on today's game:

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/sep/23/initial-thoughts-observations-bengals-38-redskins-/]Initial Thoughts & Observations: Bengals 38, Redskins 31 - Washington Times[/url]

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;944311]Good overview by Keim:

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/bengals-38-redskins-31-ten-observations/article/2508829#.UF_Bao1lRcp]Bengals 38, Redskins 31: Ten Observations | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url][/QUOTE]

Keim is great.

[QUOTE=aircoryell;944313]So to summarize you're suggesting we should have overpaid for Rogers and Landry. Regardless of what course of action the Shanahans decided on they would have been wrong. And you're also trying to tie Brian Orakpo into the same argument by comparing him to two underwhelming performing secondary players.
And no, we were never in danger of losing Fletcher...[/QUOTE]

I am not suggesting that we should have overpaid for anyone, and in particular not the players we did overpay who are contributing to a defense near the bottom of the league.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;944040]Shannahans are not the answer. Funny how everyone pointed the finger at McNabb being the problem. Guess what, he's not here, and we're still looking like a 6 and 10 team who lets any QB play like a superstar against our D.[/quote]

It's nice to see someone step back and take a look at the big picture.

Major props to Crawford for his comments after the game. Not to name anyone but there are vets on this team who consistently pass the buck after losses. I really like Crawford. He's going to be a good one someday.

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[quote=The Goat;944320]It's nice to see someone step back and take a look at the big picture.[/quote]

I agree. We need a coach who's going to bring in Gaffney and Plaxico. Super Bowl bound when they do!!

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[quote=tmandoug1;944061]No more option pay, kid has the smarts and the arm let him run a regular offense.[/quote]

Kyle has proved time and time again, he cannot both run a regular offense and consistently move the ball and put up points. RG3 is the only reason we have scored more than 20 points/ game so far.

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[quote=NC_Skins;944323]I agree. We need a coach who's going to bring in Gaffney and Plaxico. Super Bowl bound when they do!![/quote]

Those two guys are too fast and RGIII would just under throw them and get picked off.

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[quote=The Goat;944324]Kyle has proved time and time again, he cannot both run a regular offense and consistently move the ball and put up points. RG3 is the only reason we have scored more than 20 points/ game so far.[/quote]

Yes, our focus should be on why does Kyle still suck? Not our secondary, the injuries, or anything else. Priorities, people.

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[quote=aircoryell;944326]Those two guys are too fast and RGIII would just under throw them and get picked off.[/quote]

:laughing-

Kudos to you sir.

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[quote=aircoryell;944326]Those two guys are too fast and RGIII would just under throw them and get picked off.[/quote]

:rofl:

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[quote=The Goat;944324]Kyle has proved time and time again, he cannot both run a regular offense and consistently move the ball and put up points. RG3 is the only reason we have scored more than 20 points/ game so far.[/quote]


Houston Texans?


You do realize having the correct personnel to run your offense matters tremendously. So now RGIII is calling all those plays and forming up the game plan against opposing defenses. Good to know.

U guys do know that we have the 2nd ranked offense in the NFL right?? That's big for a team who hasn't had an offense in decades

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[quote=skinsfaninok;944333]U guys do know that we have the 2nd ranked offense in the NFL right?? That's big for a team who hasn't had an offense in decades[/quote]

I'd rather analyze the rankings in Nov/Dec. 3 games in isn't really a huge indicator. Although I will say I'm pleased with how we've played as an offense so far. If you combined last year's offense with this year's defense we'd be the worst team in the league.

[QUOTE=mooby;944335]I'd rather analyze the rankings in Nov/Dec. 3 games in isn't really a huge indicator. Although I will say I'm pleased with how we've played as an offense so far. If you combined last year's offense with this year's defense we'd be the worst team in the league.[/QUOTE]

Yeah how can we go from horrible on offense to pretty damn good and good to God awful on defense?? Smh

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[quote=mooby;944335]I'd rather analyze the rankings in Nov/Dec. 3 games in isn't really a huge indicator. Although I will say I'm pleased with how we've played as an offense so far. If you combined last year's offense with this year's defense we'd be the worst team in the league.[/quote]

Same argument could be made about the defense but apparently we are doomed since we didn't re-sign Rogers and Landry.

Offense has been good. It hasn't hit it's potential either. I mean, Alfred Morris has been effective, but he's the third best RB on the team, right? They haven't been that aggressive on fourth down either. And they've avoided the play action heavy part of the play book that fueled the passing game either. The potential to be a top offense is there, but they'll need to make those improvements.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;944344]Offense has been good. It hasn't hit it's potential either. I mean, Alfred Morris has been effective, but he's the third best RB on the team, right? They haven't been that aggressive on fourth down either. And they've avoided the play action heavy part of the play book that fueled the passing game either. The potential to be a top offense is there, but they'll need to make those improvements.[/QUOTE]

Also have to have Garcon healthy

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;944346]Also have to have Garcon healthy[/QUOTE]

That would help but the biggest improvement is getting polumbus out of the lineup.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;944348]That would help but the biggest improvement is getting polumbus out of the lineup.[/QUOTE]

Yeah he's just bad

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[quote=skinsfaninok;944339]Yeah how can we go from horrible on offense to pretty damn good and good to God awful on defense?? Smh[/quote]

I still say Spanos had a heavy hand in last year's squad. Of course that's not all.. injuries, scheme, player errors

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I'm not going to defend the defense here, but as I watch the Patriots and Ravens play, and I look at all the other high scoring games, and I wonder if it's just too much to expect consistent defensive play. Especially against anything other then the poorest of offensive teams. Look at some of the other teams with top defenses this week:
SF - gave up 24 points in a loss to Minnesota
Pitt - gave up 34 points in a loss to Oakland
Houston - gave up 25 points in a win to Denver
Balt - ongoing, but so far has given up 30 points to NE
NYJ - gave up 20 points to Miami(!) and won in OT

I know the counter point is that Chicago held the mighty Rams to 6 points, or Atlanta's D held SD to 3 (yes I would still like Nolan as our DC, but I know that ain't happening) but overall, this is a league where scoring 30 points is no longer an exception, but instead nearly required in order to win consistently.

Again not defending our D, they need to be able to stop teams, but everyone knew going in, this was going to be a track meet type game.

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;944143]It was crazy to think that the secondary put together in the offseason could be anything other than terrible. I love RG3 but the fact that we can't pick up a top corner or Tackle the next two years in the first round hurts. The NFL cap penalty also is really going to hurt us in picking up quality vets to fix this problem... Eff Goodell and Mara.[/QUOTE]

There are tackles and safeties and corners all over the league that are not first round picks. They are coached well and used to their strengths. This problem falls on the shoulders of our gm and coaches to not only draft well but to coach well.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;944351]I'm not going to defend the defense here, but as I watch the Patriots and Ravens play, and I look at all the other high scoring games, and I wonder if it's just too much to expect consistent defensive play. Especially against anything other then the poorest of offensive teams. Look at some of the other teams with top defenses this week:
SF - gave up 24 points in a loss to Minnesota
Pitt - gave up 34 points in a loss to Oakland
Houston - gave up 25 points in a win to Denver
Balt - ongoing, but so far has given up 30 points to NE
NYJ - gave up 20 points to Miami(!) and won in OT

I know the counter point is that Chicago held the mighty Rams to 6 points, or Atlanta's D held SD to 3 (yes I would still like Nolan as our DC, but I know that ain't happening) but overall, this is a league where scoring 30 points is no longer an exception, but instead nearly required in order to win consistently.

Again not defending our D, they need to be able to stop teams, but everyone knew going in, this was going to be a track meet type game.[/quote]

I think when the team tied the game, the offense had two opportunities to put up points and take the lead. The first was after the Law Firm's fumble and after that series the defense made a stop. I think the offense had good field position during those two offensive drives and made nothing of it.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;944351]I'm not going to defend the defense here, but as I watch the Patriots and Ravens play, and I look at all the other high scoring games, and I wonder if it's just too much to expect consistent defensive play. Especially against anything other then the poorest of offensive teams. Look at some of the other teams with top defenses this week:
SF - gave up 24 points in a loss to Minnesota
Pitt - gave up 34 points in a loss to Oakland
Houston - gave up 25 points in a win to Denver
Balt - ongoing, but so far has given up 30 points to NE
NYJ - gave up 20 points to Miami(!) and won in OT

I know the counter point is that Chicago held the mighty Rams to 6 points, or Atlanta's D held SD to 3 (yes I would still like Nolan as our DC, but I know that ain't happening) but overall, this is a league where scoring 30 points is no longer an exception, but instead nearly required in order to win consistently.

Again not defending our D, they need to be able to stop teams, but everyone knew going in, this was going to be a track meet type game.[/QUOTE]

Good post

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;944351]I'm not going to defend the defense here, but as I watch the Patriots and Ravens play, and I look at all the other high scoring games, and I wonder if it's just too much to expect consistent defensive play. Especially against anything other then the poorest of offensive teams. Look at some of the other teams with top defenses this week:
SF - gave up 24 points in a loss to Minnesota
Pitt - gave up 34 points in a loss to Oakland
Houston - gave up 25 points in a win to Denver
Balt - ongoing, but so far has given up 30 points to NE
NYJ - gave up 20 points to Miami(!) and won in OT

I know the counter point is that Chicago held the mighty Rams to 6 points, or Atlanta's D held SD to 3 (yes I would still like Nolan as our DC, but I know that ain't happening) but overall, this is a league where scoring 30 points is no longer an exception, but instead nearly required in order to win consistently.

Again not defending our D, they need to be able to stop teams, but everyone knew going in, this was going to be a track meet type game.[/QUOTE]

Good point. We might just need to revalibrate what passes for good defense.

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Look on the bright side. If RGIII wasn't on the redskins, the score would've been something like 45-7.

Whatever anyone says- these losses can mainly be blamed on Haslett. I don't care what anyone says about how its the players' fault or its the shanahans (which btw is the most ludricious thing).

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;944351]I'm not going to defend the defense here, but as I watch the Patriots and Ravens play, and I look at all the other high scoring games, and I wonder if it's just too much to expect consistent defensive play. Especially against anything other then the poorest of offensive teams. Look at some of the other teams with top defenses this week:
SF - gave up 24 points in a loss to Minnesota
Pitt - gave up 34 points in a loss to Oakland
Houston - gave up 25 points in a win to Denver
Balt - ongoing, but so far has given up 30 points to NE
NYJ - gave up 20 points to Miami(!) and won in OT

I know the counter point is that Chicago held the mighty Rams to 6 points, or Atlanta's D held SD to 3 (yes I would still like Nolan as our DC, but I know that ain't happening) but overall, this is a league where scoring 30 points is no longer an exception, but instead nearly required in order to win consistently.

Again not defending our D, they need to be able to stop teams, but everyone knew going in, this was going to be a track meet type game.[/quote]

I see your point. Only thing is those teams haven't given up those types of numbers 3 weeks in a row.

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;944353]I think when the team tied the game, the offense had two opportunities to put up points and take the lead. The first was after the Law Firm's fumble and after that series the defense made a stop. I think the offense had good field position during those two offensive drives and made nothing of it.[/QUOTE]

After the fumble I thought we had the game

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;944351]I'm not going to defend the defense here, but as I watch the Patriots and Ravens play, and I look at all the other high scoring games, and I wonder if it's just too much to expect consistent defensive play. Especially against anything other then the poorest of offensive teams. Look at some of the other teams with top defenses this week:
SF - gave up 24 points in a loss to Minnesota
Pitt - gave up 34 points in a loss to Oakland
Houston - gave up 25 points in a win to Denver
Balt - ongoing, but so far has given up 30 points to NE
NYJ - gave up 20 points to Miami(!) and won in OT

I know the counter point is that Chicago held the mighty Rams to 6 points, or Atlanta's D held SD to 3 (yes I would still like Nolan as our DC, but I know that ain't happening) but overall, this is a league where scoring 30 points is no longer an exception, but instead nearly required in order to win consistently.

Again not defending our D, they need to be able to stop teams, but everyone knew going in, this was going to be a track meet type game.[/QUOTE]

You are comparing our d to the top defenses in the league. Maybe this week was strange ? I dont know. What i do know is that every defense you mentioned above is far superior to what we are putting on the field.

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In conjunction with my last post, a breakdown of score range shows that defenses seem to be losing the general battle:

Shutouts: 0
2 - 9 pts allowed: 4 teams
10-19 pts "" : 5 teams
20-29 pts " " : 12 teams (note: Baltimore has 28, but game not over yet)
30-39 pts " " : 7 teams
40-49 pts " " : 2 teams

[QUOTE=aircoryell;944357]I see your point. Only thing is those teams haven't given up those types of numbers 3 weeks in a row.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. This week was bizzare but at the end of the year we will be dead last in probably every defensive category except maybe run d ( mainly because why would teams run on us when its so easy to pass). So it doesnt matter if its a scoring league. If the top defenses are giving up 20 a game this year and were giving up forty we will lose. Just like if they are giving up 10 and us 20. Its all relative.

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[quote=punch it in;944359]You are comparing our d to the top defenses in the league. Maybe this week was strange ? I dont know. What i do know is that every defense you mentioned above is far superior to what we are putting on the field.[/quote]

I was not trying to say that we have a top defense, only that the nature of the game is shifting the definition of what a defense needs to do.