[QUOTE=skinsguy;950505]LOL! That Asian dude looks like someone just slapped him in the face and took his ball from him![/QUOTE]

Yes! Lololol.


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anyone else wish big willie style was still here?

@ SS - Lmao! Love the "in a totally normal way" clarification. Awesome.


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[quote=NC_Skins;950506]I honestly think some guys are seriously trolling up here with some of the "opinions". Not sure how you can expect anybody to take you seriously when you are suggesting any of the following:


1) Bring back Al Sauders or Gregg Williams
2) Signed Gaffney (or Plaxico) instead of Garcon due to one is pricey and other is not. Mind you, this is from somebody who has been bitching repeatedly about WR speed.
3) Thinks Moss is our best WR of the group.
4) Fire everybody in the Redskins organization except for Raheem Morris, and then touts his "winning record" as a coach. The same coach that a 17-31 record with the Buccaneers and was promptly fired. Yeah...THAT winning coach.


You really can't win with some fans. Damned if they do, damned if you don't. It's not even about having a different opinion, it's about having a LOGICAL opinion. The above is not logical in any shape, form or fashion.



:laughing-


You have to laugh at the insanity.[/quote]



I agree but Moss is the most accomplished of the group and I think most clutch of the group.

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The Redskins played an excellent game. But they lost only because of the defense's inability to contain a 36 year old TE. Roddy White and Julio Jones were expected to have nice games against the Redskins secondary, but our inability to limit Tony Gonzales is what mostly cost us the game.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;950527]The Redskins played an excellent game. But they lost only because of the defense's inability to contain a 36 year old TE. Roddy White and Julio Jones were expected to have nice games against the Redskins secondary, but our inability to limit Tony Gonzales is what mostly cost us the game.[/quote]

I would say it was the inability to capitalize on Atl's turnover, and our inability to get a clue on 3rd down.

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it's those big guys abusing our dbs that gets me thinking about sean taylor, he wouldn't stand for it.

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Gonzalez had a big day, but no big plays that really burned us. I think they were willing to let him be the focus rather than Jones or White who probably would have done far more damage.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;950525]I agree but Moss is the most accomplished of the group and I think most clutch of the group.[/quote]

[B]Past != Present or Future[/B]
(!= is the not equal sign)


Skins fans have overvalued Moss for a LONG time now. He would never had been a #1 on any other team besides ours. He isn't clutch by far. One game in Dallas doesn't mean he's clutch. I've seen him drop too many balls that made a difference or fumble at the worse time to call him clutch. If he's the most "clutch", then we have a serious problem.

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Moss had a big play on a broken coverage. I like the guy and all he's done here, but he's clearly not our top WR anymore.

I dont recall to many drops by Moss and think he would have been a number one on seversl other teams - browns - bucs- rams- bears are a few that come to mind that over the last several years he would have been a number one on. That being said rite now i agree he is not our best wr. Still serviceable. But not our best. As a matter of fact minus the big play yesterday hes been virtually invisible.


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[quote=SmootSmack;950459]I think you're not thinking 4th dimensionally Marty...seriously though, how often do you keep waiting for that guy. And who is that guy? I didn't agree with signing Morgan but I think adding Garcon who's shown he can be a #1 WR and can grow with RG3 over the next couple of years was a smart move both on the field and salary cap wise. You want to get guys on the upswing[/quote]

Remains to be seen w/ Garcon. To be a legit #1 WR he needs to (dramatically?) outperform his own history thus far, otherwise he's just marginally better than a half dozen Turd Fergusons available for a fraction of the cost.

Personally, I like Garcon. I know the personal foul penalty put the offense in a bad spot but I like a guy in the WR corp who will hit the defense in the mouth. Really do see Garcon as a poor man's Hines Ward at this point. Hopefully he becomes a clutch player for us.

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[quote=Mattyk;950534]Moss had a big play on a broken coverage. I like the guy and all he's done here, but he's clearly not our top WR anymore.[/quote]

Right now we don't have a top wr.

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[quote=The Goat;950442][B]Tana is (still) the best WR on the roster for two critical reasons: he's the best route runner and he's far and away the best at finding an open space or creating separation. He's on par with the next best after the catch, but superior up to that point.[/B]

[B]Outside of Moss, when you eyeball our WR talent and production vs their payroll, it's got to be among the worst in football. Neither Garcon nor Morgan are worth their contracts, and the opportunity cost of those mistakes by the regime are simply enormous given our salary cap situation[/B].

The thing is, we realistically have to take a win now mindset. Given the lack of high draft picks over the next two seasons and the huge wad of cash we blew on FAs over the last two and a half seasons, the time to win is now. If anything we'll see more holes open up over the next 2-3 seasons as guys like Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall need replacing than we can fill through the draft. That's why I balk when Shanahan apologists continue to look toward the future for improvement. Do ya'll expect upgrades as we replace Fletcher, Orakpo, Hall and probably one or two other guys? The future is now.[/quote]

You could not have said it any better.

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[quote=The Goat;950442]Tana is (still) the best WR on the roster for two critical reasons: he's the best route runner and he's far and away the best at finding an open space or creating separation. He's on par with the next best after the catch, but superior up to that point.

Outside of Moss, when you eyeball our WR talent and production vs their payroll, it's got to be among the worst in football. Neither Garcon nor Morgan are worth their contracts, and the opportunity cost of those mistakes by the regime are simply enormous given our salary cap situation.

The thing is, we realistically have to take a win now mindset. Given the lack of high draft picks over the next two seasons and the huge wad of cash we blew on FAs over the last two and a half seasons, the time to win is now. If anything we'll see more holes open up over the next 2-3 seasons as guys like Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall need replacing than we can fill through the draft. That's why I balk when Shanahan apologists continue to look toward the future for improvement. Do ya'll expect upgrades as we replace Fletcher, Orakpo, Hall and probably one or two other guys? The future is now.[/quote]so what's the solution?

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[quote=skinsfan69;950540]Right now we don't have a top wr.[/quote]

This is true.

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[quote=Mattyk;950534]Moss had a big play on a broken coverage. I like the guy and all he's done here, but he's clearly not our top WR anymore.[/quote]


I don't think he is the best reciever we have, but let's get the vet in the mix. The younger guys are inconsistent and need more time to grow. Morgan nor Hank make that play against broken coverage. Robinson would have dropped it. They were keying on Davis and Garcon. As a third option Moss ca be deadly when the other team is caught sleeping.

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The Skins played a good game against a good team and we came up short. Heartbreaking yes; tear all part and start over no.

The RGIII injury was the play of the game. IT knocked the Skins out and lifted up the Falcons who were in the makings of being caught in a trap game.

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[quote=los panda;950544]so what's the solution?[/quote]

The solution is to draft the right players and sign the right players as the current veteran stars on the team fade out. I wish Gibbs would have drafted Darrelle Revis instead of LaRon Landry in 2007. If he had, the Redskins wouldn't have a bum wearing #23 right now playing corner.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;950546]I don't think he is the best reciever we have, but let's get the vet in the mix. The younger guys are inconsistent and need more time to grow. Morgan nor Hank make that play against broken coverage. Robinson would have dropped it. They were keying on Davis and Garcon. As a third option Moss ca be deadly when the other team is caught sleeping.[/quote]speaking of davis, he's been impressive.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;950548]The solution is to draft the right players and sign the right players as the current veteran stars on the team fade out. I wish Gibbs would have drafted Darrelle Revis instead of LaRon Landry in 2007. If he had, the Redskins wouldn't have a bum wearing #23 right now playing corner.[/quote]it's that simple

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Moss isn't our best WR, and we are paying them to block also. They all need to perform better.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;950548]The solution is to draft the right players and sign the right players as the current veteran stars on the team fade out. I wish Gibbs would have drafted Darrelle Revis instead of LaRon Landry in 2007. If he had, the Redskins wouldn't have a bum wearing #23 right now playing corner.[/quote]

I don't know about that. Landry seemed to play well when he played with Sean Taylor, we all believed that the duo will be one of the greatest in NFL history. When Taylor passed away, Landry had big shoes to fill in and he tried too hard. Gibbs could not have predicted that, if the tragedy did not happen, we would be praising Gibbs for drafting the safeties today. Only if Taylor was alive today, with the front 7 we have - it would be awesome defense

Btw why are we talking about the past when this is Falcons game thread?

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[quote=los panda;950550]speaking of davis, he's been impressive.[/quote]

Yep, nobody talking bout him either. He had a couple monster blocks on the edge yesterday.

Seriously need to work out an extension

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The Redskins are dead last in 3rd down conversion percentage (23.3%). In the Falcons game, we went a despicable 1-9 on third downs, our yearly total so far is 14-60. While we have holes in the defense and our kicker sucks, very few teams are going to win any games with such an atrocious 3rd down percentage. This crappy conversion percentage is the reason why the Saints and Bucs almost came back on us, it allowed the Rams to beat us, and it didn't help us keep up with the Bengals and the Falcons.

I don't know what the hell Kyle has can do, but we can't have any more situations where we don't convert on 3rd and short in the opponent's side of the field. I know the defense is wildly inconsistent, but we missed out on at least three quarters of our defense keeping a top offense at bay on Sunday.

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[quote=Ruhskins;950562]The Redskins are dead last in 3rd down conversion percentage (23.3%). In the Falcons game, we went a despicable 1-9 on third downs, our yearly total so far is 14-60. While we have holes in the defense and our kicker sucks, very few teams are going to win any games with such an atrocious 3rd down percentage. This crappy conversion percentage is the reason why the Saints and Bucs almost came back on us, it allowed the Rams to beat us, and it didn't help us keep up with the Bengals and the Falcons.

I don't know what the hell Kyle has can do, but we can't have any more situations where we don't convert on 3rd and short in the opponent's side of the field. I know the defense is wildly inconsistent, but we missed out on at least three quarters of our defense keeping a top offense at bay on Sunday.[/quote]

Noticed a couple drops on third down and couple passes behind the receiver as well. This will improve by sheer probability.

[QUOTE=RGIII;950331]Did you watch the game?[/QUOTE]

I did. He had a horrible punt but overall he's a good punter. Not someone I would even think about replacing.

[QUOTE=The Goat;950346]You're totally right I sound like an a$$hole pointing out the problem (that I really think everyone also knows, deep down) but not giving a solution. Thing is it's a pretty "general" solution. Hire the best GM available. We can talk all day about who that may be, and I'd even go so far to say Bruce Allen could be a consideration. But regardless, from that point on it's a simple "you're fired" all the way down the line with the possible exception of Morris...the only coach on the roster to coach a winning team so far this decade.

I'd take either coordinator from Cinci. I'd take either from San Fran. I'd even take Gregg Williams and Al Saunders back.[/QUOTE]

You know I'm probably too far on the stay the course side of things.

I just don't think we could attract any proven talent here. If I'm a top gm candidate would I really want to go somewhere that has a huge cap hit and no first round picks for the next couple years.

And I I'm a coach like gruden, cowher, or another top name do I go some place where MS, a potential HOF candidate, just failed.

The type of people we would attract would be the guys that can't get a shot elsewhere. We could wind up with the next mike tomlin, but it would be a longshot.

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[quote=VegasSkinsFan;950617]You know I'm probably too far on the stay the course side of things.

I just don't think we could attract any proven talent here. If I'm a top gm candidate would I really want to go somewhere that has a huge cap hit and no first round picks for the next couple years.

And I I'm a coach like gruden, cowher, or another top name do I go some place where MS, a potential HOF candidate, just failed.

The type of people we would attract would be the guys that can't get a shot elsewhere. We could wind up with the next mike tomlin, but it would be a longshot.[/quote]

I agree we're unlikely to attract another legacy GM or coach right away, and am fine with it. However, I wouldn't be opposed to Bruce Allen remaining the GM for another couple years.

I can't stop wondering if Jeff Fisher would have come to DC? It's very impressive what he's doing with the Rams. By next season St. Louis will be another 1 to 2 year turnaround story.

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[quote=los panda;950551]it's that simple[/quote]

Jeez, I bet the Shanny and Allen wish they had thought of that!

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Our play calling and execution of said play calling on third down is my goat of the year much less the week. We suck on 3rd down, period. Until that gets fixed, even though we have been in every game, we will continue floating around .500%.

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[quote=The Goat;950641]I agree we're unlikely to attract another legacy GM or coach right away, and am fine with it. However, I wouldn't be opposed to Bruce Allen remaining the GM for another couple years.

I can't stop wondering if Jeff Fisher would have come to DC? It's very impressive what he's doing with the Rams. By next season St. Louis will be another 1 to 2 year turnaround story.[/quote]

Man,it's so awesome that you can tell the future.

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That was an excellent read in coverage by Ryan Kerrigan. He got the pick six be reading Matt Ryan's eyes and seeing the screen pass trying to develop. He put his hands up and BOOM, he knocks the ball in the air and picks it off and runs the other way for a Redskins touchdown.

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[quote=The Goat;950641]I agree we're unlikely to attract another legacy GM or coach right away, and am fine with it. However, I wouldn't be opposed to Bruce Allen remaining the GM for another couple years.

I can't stop wondering if Jeff Fisher would have come to DC? It's very impressive what he's doing with the Rams. By next season St. Louis will be another 1 to 2 year turnaround story.[/quote]

What exactly is Fisher doing?

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[quote=SmootSmack;950654]What exactly is Fisher doing?[/quote]

Encouraging guys to play after the whistle. Of course it also helps that that is a proven formula for success, based off his many, many championships with the Oilers/Titans.

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Edit: Stupid computer.

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[quote=SmootSmack;950654]What exactly is Fisher doing?[/quote]

He's fishing. Duh. :)

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Rams are much improved , 3-0 at home I believe so thats a good turn around story.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;950710]Rams are much improved , 3-0 at home I believe so thats a good turn around story.[/quote]

If they lose this weekend, they'll be 3-3 and 3-1 at home...Know what their total and home records were after 6 games in 2010?

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[quote=SmootSmack;950717]If they lose this weekend, they'll be 3-3 and 3-1 at home...Know what their total and home records were after 6 games in 2010?[/quote]

i'd assume the same? lol

I'm not saying the rams are great and fisher is amazing or that MS sucks.
JS they are way better than I thought they'd be.