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Firing Haslett would fix the problem the actual problem that at LB Coach, DL Coach and DB Coach. These units underachievement imo has lead to the collective failure of the defense.

And GM/player personnel situation also plays a factor in the lack of talent.
We gotta hire a real GM.

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[quote=30gut;963278]Firing Haslett would fix the problem the actual problem that at LB Coach, DL Coach and DB Coach. These units underachievement imo has lead to the collective failure of the defense.

And GM/player personnel situation also plays a factor in the lack of talent.
We gotta hire a real GM.[/quote]

We have a real GM. Bruce Allen is one of the best in the business. Problem is Mike Shanahan has been permitted to choose the players that he wants for his team. Bruce Allen should be the one selecting the players, not Shanahan.

As far as Jim Haslett is concerned, I'm not really sure if he's to blame. His scheme while not top 5 or top 10 last year was much improved. If anything the big plays given up in the secondary this season is the defensive backs coach's fault, not Haslett.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;963351]We have a real GM. Bruce Allen is one of the best in the business. Problem is Mike Shanahan has been permitted to choose the players that he wants for his team. Bruce Allen should be the one selecting the players, not Shanahan. [/quote]

Mike should be be permitted to choose the offensive players that he wants for this team.

Mike should not be permitted to choose the defensive players that he wants for this team.


Offensively, Mike is damn near genius when it comes to selecting players, it's just the defensive side of the ball he struggles mightily when it comes to drafting.


[quote=REDSKINS4ever;963351]As far as Jim Haslett is concerned, I'm not really sure if he's to blame. His scheme while not top 5 or top 10 last year was much improved. If anything the big plays given up in the secondary this season is the defensive backs coach's fault, not Haslett.[/quote]

It falls more on Mike

1) For selecting Haslett and Slowik

2) For selecting the players

re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)
 

The D is garbage, its still a 3-4 D with 4-3 personel. Corners and safeties are the worst in the league. And to top it off, the play calling from Haslett is horrendous. The all-out blitz doesn't work against a 10 year old in Madden 13... why would it work against an NFL team?!? GOTTA GO

re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)
 

Ok, I was clearly wrong. Great job to Haz for the 2nd half of this season and especially tonight.

Bring this man back!

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I'm one the ones that ripped him, I'll give him cautious credit.

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He figured out how to make a decent defense out of spare parts. I can't honestly say I thought he had that in him. To me a good coach takes what he has and builds from that. We did that on both sides if the ball this year. No way we can let Haz go. He's earned the shot to run a defense not depleted.

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Give Haslett major major props. Tonight he just got after Romo, pressed the wr's and the db's were looking back for the ball. He gets the game ball along with Morris.

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I'll be the first one to do a little bit of this tonight...

[IMG]http://thinkingrightblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/eating-crow.jpg[/IMG]

I just hope we can carry this defense to next week's game.

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[quote=FRPLG;982024]He figured out how to make a decent defense out of spare parts. I can't honestly say I thought he had that in him. To me a good coach takes what he has and builds from that. We did that on both sides if the ball this year. [B]No way we can let Haz go. He's earned the shot to run a defense not depleted[/B].[/quote]

No doubt.

Amazing job.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;982013]Ok, I was clearly wrong. Great job to Haz for the 2nd half of this season and especially tonight.

Bring this man back![/QUOTE]

Yupp. I sure hope we keep him and Kyle.

I agree...Haslet and Kyle showed their strength in the end

re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)
 

I believe Jim Haslett is good enough to be a head coach, not just a defensive coordinator. Regardless of where the Redskins rank in total defense after 16 games played, Haslett deserves a ton of credit for overseeing this defensive unit.

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I ask this question now;

The big knock on Haslett was that he couldn't make in game adjustments (Joe Webb last year; Amendola this year). Has he gotten better/started doing that? (I believe yes, but I want to hear your feedback now)

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[quote=Ruhskins;982034]I'll be the first one to do a little bit of this tonight...

[IMG]http://thinkingrightblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/eating-crow.jpg[/IMG]

I just hope we can carry this defense to next week's game.[/quote]

I'd like to be 2nd in line, helluva job during this ride! Nicely played Haslett, nicely played!

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While the injury situation has been much overstated (here mostly), Haslett earned another year or two based on the improvement since the bye week.

Honestly, I'm not sure the defense will be that much improved with Carriker and Rak. Carriker is a bit long in the tooth and will likely face a long recovery to his old self, if he gets there at all. Rob Jackson may work in our system better than Rak, which shouldn't surprise. Rak is a hand in the dirt pure rusher, and we might be wise to seek a trade in the off-season. All parties could benefit in a good deal.

Upgraded safeties and especially a monster nose tackle are still the shortest path to an elite defense. It would be fantastic if the NT could be homegrown (Nield or Baker).

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The thing with defense is that in today's NFL you dont need a great D to win, you need a decent D combined with a good offense. The biggest difference with the Skins this year is that they can score points. The NFL is an offense first league and now the Skins have an offense that can put up points combined with a D that can get the job done. The Skins will be a dangerous team in the playoffs.

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[quote=irish;982298]The thing with defense is that in today's NFL you dont need a great D to win, you need a decent D combined with a good offense. The biggest difference with the Skins this year is that they can score points. The NFL is an offense first league and now the Skins have an offense that can put up points combined with a D that can get the job done. The Skins will be a dangerous team in the playoffs.[/quote]

What Im liking about what the Skins do is RUN! The league has become so accustom to playing pass defense that this old school stuff has them back on their heels. Its fun to see most defenses totally confused by our ability to run the ball from both QB and RB with so much misdirection which BTW RG3 really sells better than ant QB i've ever seen. Really opens the door for Morris HTTR!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;982013]Ok, I was clearly wrong. Great job to Haz for the 2nd half of this season and especially tonight.

Bring this man back![/quote]

I bet you couldn't be happier about being wrong though!

I'm on board. Bring Haz back.

re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)
 

Haslett would be snatched up in New York minute if the Redskins fired him.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/47660/jim-haslett-as-redskins-mad-scientist]Jim Haslett as Redskins' 'mad scientist' - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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I'll eat some crow because I didn't think this guy was going to fix the issues with the defense. Granted, I didn't blame it all on him, but his scheme was lacking and he failed at in game adjustments. It seems to me that he stopped using that crappy zone defense and went more of a man to man. Last night's game plan was immaculate. I think the defense has (at times) outplayed the offense these past 7 games. There was only one play call (defensively) that pissed me off. That was the goal line defense where he decided to rush only 3 and drop the rest in coverage. Thereby giving Romo 8+ seconds to find a open Witten.


That said, I'm still not sold on Haslett, and feel that we can find a better 3-4 DC out there. I will say Jim has done a great job these past few weeks, and think that this defense could be better with upgrades in the secondary. I won't be mad if he's dismissed, nor will I be if he's brought back on.

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[quote=NC_Skins;982504]I'll eat some crow because I didn't think this guy was going to fix the issues with the defense. Granted, I didn't blame it all on him, but his scheme was lacking and he failed at in game adjustments. It seems to me that he stopped using that crappy zone defense and went more of a man to man. Last night's game plan was immaculate. I think the defense has (at times) outplayed the offense these past 7 games. There was only one play call (defensively) that pissed me off. That was the goal line defense where he decided to rush only 3 and drop the rest in coverage. Thereby giving Romo 8+ seconds to find a open Witten.


That said, I'm still not sold on Haslett, and feel that we can find a better 3-4 DC out there. I will say Jim has done a great job these past few weeks, and think that this defense could be better with upgrades in the secondary. I won't be mad if he's dismissed, nor will I be if he's brought back on.[/quote]

This pretty much sums up the way I feel. At one time I really liked Haslett as a player, coordinator and coach, after many failures due to the same reason I disliked him. I hope he's able to sustain what he's doing and not deviate from the plan like in the past.

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Didn't think Haslett could pull this off. He's earned his job back if this good play by the D continues.

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[quote=irish;982298][B]The thing with defense is that in today's NFL you dont need a great D to win, you need a decent D combined with a good offense.[/B] The biggest difference with the Skins this year is that they can score points. The NFL is an offense first league and now the Skins have an offense that can put up points combined with a D that can get the job done. The Skins will be a dangerous team in the playoffs.[/quote]

Does reflect reality. The Giants and Steelers had elite defenses with above average offense, and beat teams with elite offense and lesser defenses. You could try to make your argument with the Packers, but that defense was playing elite for the SB run.

re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)
 

[quote=NC_Skins;982504]I'll eat some crow because I didn't think this guy was going to fix the issues with the defense. Granted, I didn't blame it all on him, but his scheme was lacking and he failed at in game adjustments. It seems to me that he stopped using that crappy zone defense and went more of a man to man. Last night's game plan was immaculate. I think the defense has (at times) outplayed the offense these past 7 games. There was only one play call (defensively) that pissed me off. [B]That was the goal line defense where he decided to rush only 3 and drop the rest in coverage. Thereby giving Romo 8+ seconds to find a open Witten. [/B]


That said, I'm still not sold on Haslett, and feel that we can find a better 3-4 DC out there. I will say Jim has done a great job these past few weeks, and think that this defense could be better with upgrades in the secondary. I won't be mad if he's dismissed, nor will I be if he's brought back on.[/quote]

Yeah that call pissed me off too. You just can't give any QB that long to find an open guy and it's unfair to ask your guys to cover for that long. I didn't even blame Riley on the TD, that's on the coaches. But Haslett has earned the right to come back. Let's remember he's doing this without his best pash rusher and some serious question marks in the secondary.

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[quote=skinsfan69;982574]Yeah that call pissed me off too. You just can't give any QB that long to find an open guy and it's unfair to ask your guys to cover for that long. I didn't even blame Riley on the TD, that's on the coaches. But Haslett has earned the right to come back. Let's remember he's doing this without his best pash rusher and some serious question marks in the secondary.[/quote]

He learned from that call though. Don't think I saw another rush with less them 4 men for the rest of the game.

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We gotta finish the season, but the big question is are their any better coaches out their right now defense wise. Out of all the coaches fired/available? If that answer is no then we stick with Haslett. If there is I'd hope Haslett gets looked at for a HCing job or simply cut/fire him. However... MS is a loyal HC. Denver fired him cause he refused to fire his DC back then and replace him.

So unless Haslett gets offered a job as HC somewhere I don't see him going anywhere. Unfortunately.

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[quote=skinsfan69;982574]Yeah that call pissed me off too. You just can't give any QB that long to find an open guy and it's unfair to ask your guys to cover for that long. I didn't even blame Riley on the TD, that's on the coaches. But Haslett has earned the right to come back. Let's [B]remember he's doing this without his best pash rusher[/B] and some serious question marks in the secondary.[/quote]

I'll give you the secondary issues. Best pass rusher must go to Kerrigan. I love Orakpo like every other fanatic fan but Kerrigan has played better and gotten more sacks. But if both were playing together this defense would be 100 X better.

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[quote=SBXVII;982641]I'll give you the secondary issues. Best pass rusher must go to Kerrigan. I love Orakpo like every other fanatic fan [B]but Kerrigan has played better and gotten more sacks[/B]. But if both were playing together this defense would be 100 X better.[/quote]

Kerrigan has 16 sacks in his first two seasons, Orakpo had 19.5 in his first two.

Agreed our pass rush would be much better with them both in there.

Re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)
 

I have the opinion that they should definitely bring him back. I think he has earned it. After a couple of years implementing the system, acquiring players through FA/draft, I am anxious to see how this defense grows and performs next year providing they stay relatively healthy.

I am expecting a deep run this year...I believe the Skins can match up against every team that made the playoffs. The only game that I think they would struggle in is GB in GB for the NFC Championship.

BUT next year could be even more special. Keep it all together...

Re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)
 

Jarvis Jenkins is starting to play better and I think it's helping Haslett.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;982658]Jarvis Jenkins is starting to play better and I think it's helping Haslett.[/quote]

He is playing better, and that is nice...but that is just what he was expected to do - play at a high level and make an impact on the D-line.

I just think that after losing [I]arguably[/I] the best or most impactful player on all three levels of the defense to injury (Carriker, Orakpo, Merriweather), not to mention the absence of TJ and CG, Haslett has put together some nice games and deserves the credit.

Re: Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)
 

[quote=Mattyk;982497][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/47660/jim-haslett-as-redskins-mad-scientist]Jim Haslett as Redskins' 'mad scientist' - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

This is why people need to be careful before they criticize Coach Haz. He is one of the reasons why we made it to the post season. Regardless of where the Redskins ranked on defense this past season, I'm really glad that Bruce Allen extended Haslett before the season started.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;982658]Jarvis Jenkins is starting to play better and I think it's helping Haslett.[/quote]

Having Coach Fletcher on the field doesn't hurt either...

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A 3-man rush was a nice change up. Coverage wasn't executed well. I saw who was on the field during that defensive play and was like, "yikes!"

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;982662]This is why people need to be careful before they criticize Coach Haz. He is one of the reasons why we made it to the post season. Regardless of where the Redskins ranked on defense this past season, I'm really glad that Bruce Allen extended Haslett before the season started.[/quote]

It's a happy medium; players are stepping up, Haslett is covering up deficiencies, and of course RGIII's leadership has inspired everyone's play.

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Rather have Haslett get a HC than Kyle:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/01/01/jim-haslett-could-draw-interest-for-nfl-head-coach-opening/]Jim Haslett could draw interest for NFL head coach opening[/url]

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Late input: During the Cowboys game the defense looked great. Haslett did a great job with the guys he had. I say he stays. If he can make the Redskins defense look that good, then he deserves to keep his job. I heard it was Mike Shanahan who wanted to switch to the 34, not Haslett. Plus the defense had a lot of injuries, which put them in a real bind.

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Again, the big knock on him before was that he couldn't adjust in games (Amendola this year; Joe Webb last year for example).

Has he been adjusting now?