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[quote=Dirtbag59;970927]I will say this. This was not the most memorable game but I have a hard time remembering a more satisfying victory. Even now I'm in some sort of this weird combination of emotions that I can only describe as pissed off happy. Every time I think about the Giants ownership my blood boils.

I have great respect for their players and their front office people but the stunt John Mara pulled this past offseason was enough for me to consider the Giants a bigger rival then the Cowboys. I mean it' one thing to get into a rivalry based on tradition but it's another thing where an opposing owner of a division rival is deliberately trying to sabotage your team. And it's not like we don't know from his statements at the owners meeting that his real goal was to stop the Redskins from acquiring RG3, but instead he settled for the cap penalties.[/quote]

Still on an emotional high, from the win, and three straight over NFC east foes, amazing. But anyhow agree with all of these points, and just really despise the Giants organization. As amazing as this from 3-6 to 6-6 run has been, how much better would this team have been without taking the huge $36M cap hit, spread over two years. Further how is it not a conflict of interest for an owner of rival in the same division to have say on levying a huge penalty against 2 of the 3 teams in the division?

Also, getting huge kick out of Dan Snyder, being quoted as saying, "I hate those motherf***ers". Have to admit in full agreement with Snyder on that one.

HTTR

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So RG3 is at the Wizards Heat game right now, and guess whose sitting directly across from him...Terrell Suggs haha

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/wizards/can-rg3-convert-lebron-james-redskins-fan?awid=4765879183644508048-849]Can RG3 convert LeBron James to a Redskins fan? | CSN Washington[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;971097]So RG3 is at the Wizards Heat game right now, and guess whose sitting directly across from him...Terrell Suggs haha

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/wizards/can-rg3-convert-lebron-james-redskins-fan?awid=4765879183644508048-849]Can RG3 convert LeBron James to a Redskins fan? | CSN Washington[/url][/quote]


**** Lebron James. Do not want that assclown being a fan of us. Douche bag is a bandwagon jumper anyways. How else you explain him being a Yankees and Cowboy fan growing up in Ohio?

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;971098]**** Lebron James. Do not want that assclown being a fan of us. Douche bag is a bandwagon jumper anyways. How else you explain him being a Yankees and Cowboy fan growing up in Ohio?[/QUOTE]

Would you root for the Browns and the Indians? Lol.

It's funny there are a lot of cowboys and yankees fans..

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;971120]It's funny there are a lot of cowboys and yankees fans..[/QUOTE]

Lakers, Raiders, Redsox. All the teams I despise. I am a Yankee fan but im from Jersey so.....

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[quote=NC_Skins;971098]**** Lebron James. Do not want that assclown being a fan of us. Douche bag is a bandwagon jumper anyways. How else you explain him being a Yankees and Cowboy fan growing up in Ohio?[/quote]

We have had this convo before. Growing up somewhere does not mean you have to be a fan of the hometown team.

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;971123]We have had this convo before. Growing up somewhere does not mean you have to be a fan of the hometown team.[/QUOTE]

Exactly

I would have to root for the frickin giants. Ugggh.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;971123]We have had this convo before. Growing up somewhere does not mean you have to be a fan of the hometown team.[/quote]

Yeah, but you wouldn't be a fan of one team in once city, and a fan of another team in another city. Chances are if you were a Dallas Cowboys fan living in Ohio, you would also be a Mavericks and Texas Rangers fan as well. The fact he's pulling for a football team in Texas, and a baseball team in New York screams band wagon.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;971130]Yeah, but you wouldn't be a fan of one team in once city, and a fan of another team in another city. Chances are if you were a Dallas Cowboys fan living in Ohio, you would also be a Mavericks and Texas Rangers fan as well. The fact he's pulling for a football team in Texas, and a baseball team in New York screams band wagon.[/QUOTE]

Well i root for the flyers the sixers the yankees and the redskins. I dont think its bandwagon unless you begin rooting when you are older or switch teams. When your 5-10 years old and begin rooting for a popular winning team i dont think thats bandwagon. Lol. I remember rooting for Notre Dame when Alan Pinkett was there. They were always on tv and they were popular. Luckily i grew out of that. Lol.
Edit: its got nothing to do with the city. A kid who roots for the cowboys roots for the cowboys not the city of Dallas.

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[quote=NC_Skins;971130]Yeah, but you wouldn't be a fan of one team in once city, and a fan of another team in another city. Chances are if you were a Dallas Cowboys fan living in Ohio, you would also be a Mavericks and Texas Rangers fan as well. The fact he's pulling for a football team in Texas, and a baseball team in New York screams band wagon.[/quote]

Not really, maybe he just likes them, I live in NC like you and I don't like any of the teams here.

Redskins, Nats (before they got here I was a Red Sox fan), Mavs, Caps

What about states with multiple teams like Maryland, Texas, Cali??

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;970944]Know what else is driving me nuts? All this talk about his "playing style" and how it's going to hurt his longevity in the league. I mean other QBs get hit a ton more than he does. Sure, he takes SOME unnecessary shots when he runs, but he's been REALLY smart about it lately.[/quote]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&archive=false&d-447263-p=1&qualified=true&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT"]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/URL]

Take a look there sonny. Just six teams have allowed more hits on their QB, and believe four of those QBs are done for the season or been out for multiple games. One thing striking is those teams have serious injury along the oline, whereas we've been remarkably healthy among that group.

Anyway, yep you're right six teams give up more hits and it certainly seems to take it's toll.

I'm more than a little irritated at the stupidity among fans saying the hits don't matter. It's one thing for the 23 yr old goofball on here because he's just a kiddo, but anyone in their 30s, 40s, 50s and upward have seen far too many fantastic QBs sent to early retirement for the beating they took behind a crap oline and/or poor scheme.

Let's not play the fool here...if we want RG3 as a franchise QB the pass protection must improve dramatically.

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[quote=The Goat;971136][URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&archive=false&d-447263-p=1&qualified=true&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT"]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/URL]

Take a look there sonny. Just six teams have allowed more hits on their QB, and believe four of those QBs are done for the season or been out for multiple games. One thing striking is those teams have serious injury along the oline, whereas we've been remarkably healthy among that group.

Anyway, yep you're right six teams give up more hits and it certainly seems to take it's toll.

I'm more than a little irritated at the stupidity among fans saying the hits don't matter. It's one thing for the 23 yr old goofball on here because he's just a kiddo, but anyone in their 30s, 40s, 50s and upward have seen far too many fantastic QBs sent to early retirement for the beating they took behind a crap oline and/or poor scheme.

Let's not play the fool here...if we want RG3 as a franchise QB the pass protection must improve dramatically.[/quote]

Not a very good argument since we are discussing a mobile QB, and one that holds the ball on a lot of occasions to long to prevent a turnover or throwing a INT

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[quote=punch it in;971116]Would you root for the Browns and the Indians? Lol.[/quote]

He'll yeah! Haven't you been rooting for the Redskins for the last 20 years? I've been living in the SF Bay Area for the last 30 years and could have changed my allegiances to the 49ers (they were my second favorite team before I moved here). After the 80's and early 90's I despise the 49ers more than the Cowboys.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;971146]He'll yeah! Haven't you been rooting for the Redskins for the last 20 years? I've been living in the SF Bay Area for the last 30 years and could have changed my allegiances to the 49ers (they were my second favorite team before I moved here). After the 80's and early 90's I despise the 49ers more than the Cowboys.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but im from NJ - i never lived in Maryland so im already breaking "the rules". Also I was probably 6 or so when I became a Skins fan - by the time I was about 12 and understood the game they were winning superbowls so it was a while before they were browns - like. Lol. All of my teams are based off of childhood choices - i like the uniforms? I Like the nick name? Thought a certain player was like a superhero - - Riggo. I dont root for a certain city? I wouldnt want the Skins to move to LA because they are the "Washington" Redskins - but that is out of tradition not a love for the area or anything.
Edit: i often wonder if this team was moved and another team sprung up in Washington what I would do. There could be a situation like Cleveland/Baltimore - team literally becomes a different one with different name - than the Browns come back? or St Louis Cardinals moving to a different city as the same team?
I think if the Skins pulled a Browns - I would root for the "new skins" but if they just switched cities i would follow them. Id stick with the uniform.

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What a game.. we had that stadium rocking! Seriously never heard it so loud there. Had a wannabe hardass Giants fan in front of me and I had him playing hide and shut the eff up by the 3rd quarter. Good thing I wasn't drunk drunk because he was realllly annoying me until then. Had a cool Giants fan beside me.. really cute girl a few seats down that gave me her number after the game. But most of all surrounded by some awesome fans. First time sitting in upper.. at midfield 10 rows up.. lol early on some guy was like "sit down!' and everyone laughed and heckled him.. he started standing too

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[quote=NC_Skins;971130]Yeah, but you wouldn't be a fan of one team in once city, and a fan of another team in another city. Chances are if you were a Dallas Cowboys fan living in Ohio, you would also be a Mavericks and Texas Rangers fan as well. The fact he's pulling for a football team in Texas, and a baseball team in New York screams band wagon.[/quote]

Don't forget he grew up a Bulls fan

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[quote=tryfuhl;971156][B][I]What a game.. we had that stadium rocking! [/I][/B] Seriously never heard it so loud there. Had a wannabe hardass Giants fan in front of me and I had him playing hide and shut the eff up by the 3rd quarter. Good thing I wasn't drunk drunk because he was realllly annoying me until then. Had a cool Giants fan beside me.. really cute girl a few seats down that gave me her number after the game. But most of all surrounded by some awesome fans. First time sitting in upper.. at midfield 10 rows up.. lol early on some guy was like "sit down!' and everyone laughed and heckled him.. he started standing too[/quote]

What about at the beginning of game,hell most of the game when we were on offense? Especially first half,when we were on offense,the crowd was especially silent.I commented on it in gameday thread,I dont remember it being that quiet in other games,seemed like there was no excitement in the stands whatsoever.Thats how it came across to me on tv.Of course crowd cheered when we made big plays and stuff.Mainly what im talking about is when team was in huddle {on off} and then go to line,crowd seemed unusually quiet to me,maybe it was just me?

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[quote=htownskinfan;971166][B]What about at the beginning of game,hell most of the game when we were on offense?[/B] Especially first half,when we were on offense,the crowd was especially silent.I commented on it in gameday thread,I dont remember it being that quiet in other games,seemed like there was no excitement in the stands whatsoever.Thats how it came across to me on tv.Of course crowd cheered when we made big plays and stuff.Mainly what im talking about is when team was in huddle {on off} and then go to line,crowd seemed unusually quiet to me,maybe it was just me?[/quote]

The offensive players continuously told us to quiet down before they got into the huddle.

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[quote=htownskinfan;971166]What about at the beginning of game,hell most of the game when we were on offense? Especially first half,when we were on offense,the crowd was especially silent.I commented on it in gameday thread,I dont remember it being that quiet in other games,seemed like there was no excitement in the stands whatsoever.Thats how it came across to me on tv.Of course crowd cheered when we made big plays and stuff.Mainly what im talking about is when team was in huddle {on off} and then go to line,crowd seemed unusually quiet to me,maybe it was just me?[/quote]

That's how you want the crowd to be when you're on offense.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/redskins-were-worn-down-prior-to-post-bye-surge/]Redskins were worn down prior to post-bye surge | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=The Goat;971136][URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&archive=false&d-447263-p=1&qualified=true&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT"]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/URL]

Take a look there sonny. Just six teams have allowed more hits on their QB, and believe four of those QBs are done for the season or been out for multiple games. One thing striking is those teams have serious injury along the oline, whereas we've been remarkably healthy among that group.

Anyway, yep you're right six teams give up more hits and it certainly seems to take it's toll.

I'm more than a little irritated at the stupidity among fans saying the hits don't matter. It's one thing for the 23 yr old goofball on here because he's just a kiddo, but anyone in their 30s, 40s, 50s and upward have seen far too many fantastic QBs sent to early retirement for the beating they took behind a crap oline and/or poor scheme.

Let's not play the fool here...if we want RG3 as a franchise QB the pass protection must improve dramatically.[/quote]

This will be my only post about this, but basically we're within (most) of the rest of the league, give or take 10 hits. If 10 hits is what determines the longevity of a QB, then strong post to you sir.

I refuse to believe that his "style of play" is what's going to suddenly have him crumbling into a puddle of injury-prone mediocrity. This is also assuming the other guys in the league AREN'T running QBs. If you look at those stats, Luck is going to be out of the league in a year! TOO MANY HITS!!!!!!!! OMGZZ!1!11!

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[quote=Mattyk;971184][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/redskins-were-worn-down-prior-to-post-bye-surge/]Redskins were worn down prior to post-bye surge | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I believe the team got into a general funk after the loss to the Giants, and Shanahan's speech kind of sparked a new determination. Hopefully it carries through the end of the season.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;971187]This will be my only post about this, but basically we're within (most) of the rest of the league, give or take 10 hits. If 10 hits is what determines the longevity of a QB, then strong post to you sir.

I refuse to believe that his "style of play" is what's going to suddenly have him crumbling into a puddle of injury-prone mediocrity. This is also assuming the other guys in the league AREN'T running QBs. If you look at those stats, Luck is going to be out of the league in a year! TOO MANY HITS!!!!!!!! OMGZZ!1!11![/quote]

Herculean post bro

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From playing College and High-School ball (which is not nearly as intense and draining on the body) I can tell you that playing nine games in a row with out a week off to let your body recoup is really tough. Basically if you are playing at 100%, like not taking it easy during the game, and really working at being the best on every play, its like being in a car accident, you know how you tense up right before impact, and your muscles / body is sore for a week or so after. You basically are causing you body to do that every play for 60 minutes with small breaks of relapse in between plays, which in my opinion from playing, that cool off period hurts worse then helping cause that's when the soreness kicks in and you start to cramp up.

I'm not saying their job is hard by any means... they get paid to play a game (was my dream before blowing out my ACL, and TCL, plus I'm to short to be an NFL O-Lineman 5'11") but the toll it takes on their bodies week in and week out is very intense. All that said I could see that they needed a week to "reduce the swelling" if you will, and hopefully the 10 day break between Turkey Day and Monday was a good second break so they can finish strong.

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[quote=Mattyk;971168]That's how you want the crowd to be when you're on offense.[/quote]

I know that:doh:
Usually you see members of the team telling crowd to be quiet in crucial situations where crowd needs to be quiet.{which I saw none of}Im just talking about overall it seemed extra quiet between plays,thats all

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Eli Manning Height: 6-4 Weight: 218
Robert Griffin III: Height: 6-2 Weight: 217
Brett Favre: Height: 6'2" Weight: 222

I get that Griffin takes hits, but 2 other qbs above with similar build had extremely long "injury free" streaks. Eli rarely takes hits, Favre though was hit fairly frequently in his time in the league, in fact in his first 10 years was sacked more than 25 times in 9 of them. Add in the protection given to qb's nowadays, and the whole hit issue seems like a bit of a red herring.

Now of course, if he were to go down, a lot of people would be saying see!!!, but fact is every year quarterbacks go down. Brady has, Stafford has, Romo has been concussed several times I believe, Aikman left due to concussions. It is a brutal sport, and if teams know that the qb is dangerous, they will want to take as many hits on him as they get paid for (oops, I mean as they can).

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[quote=htownskinfan;971202]I know that:doh:
Usually you see members of the team telling crowd to be quiet in crucial situations where crowd needs to be quiet.{which I saw none of}Im just talking about overall it seemed extra quiet between plays,thats all[/quote]

If you know that I'm not sure what we're discussing then.

When we were on defense the crowd seemed pretty damn loud on TV.

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[quote=Mattyk;971207]If you know that I'm not sure what we're discussing then.

When we were on defense the crowd seemed pretty damn loud on TV.[/quote]

From my friends that went it was ridiculously loud in person too. The one thing we have against us is, that mother F***er is huge, and open roofed. Hard to contain the noise in such a large stadium.

On the other hand, since I'm out in Saint Louis right now the Ed Jones Dome only holds 66,000 and is roofed as opposed to Fed Ex which is at 91,704 and open. Ed Jones Dome can get very loud, but from being in that stadium it's like half the size of fed ex, and there is no where for the sound to escape. The Cowgirls have the same problem with their new stadium.

People talk about RFK but again it was a small stadium. It held 46,000 and in a tight knit circle, it was basically a giant subwoofer.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;971207]If you know that I'm not sure what we're discussing then.

When we were on defense the crowd seemed pretty damn loud on TV.[/QUOTE

Yeah it was loud on def,and i know crowd is supposed to be quiet on off,I just thought at times it seemed way too quiet,but I guess it was only me that got that felling,not a big deal

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;971187]This will be my only post about this, but basically we're within (most) of the rest of the league, give or take 10 hits. If 10 hits is what determines the longevity of a QB, then strong post to you sir.

I refuse to believe that his "style of play" is what's going to suddenly have him crumbling into a puddle of injury-prone mediocrity. This is also assuming the other guys in the league AREN'T running QBs. If you look at those stats, Luck is going to be out of the league in a year! TOO MANY HITS!!!!!!!! OMGZZ!1!11![/quote]

You completely ignore the fact that Griffin isnt built as stoutly as a guy like Luck or most of the other mobile starting QBs in the league. He's very lanky and built more like a wide receiver than a quarterback. He doesnt have the build to take as many hits over as long of a period of time.

Earlier in the season, Griffin commented that he's incredibly sore after most games, but he's tough and takes good care of his body so he can recover. His body wont continue to recover so quickly indefinitely. Anyone who thinks Griffin can continue to play exactly like he's playing now and continue taking the kind of hits he's taking for the next 5-10 years is foolish. Hopefully, we'll have a better pass-blocking offensive line and RGIII will become more adept at avoiding the big hits in subsequent seasons.

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RG3 has room to put on some more weight. I wouldn't be surprised to see him bulk up some more in the coming years.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;971206]Eli Manning Height: 6-4 Weight: 218
Robert Griffin III: Height: 6-2 Weight: 217
Brett Favre: Height: 6'2" Weight: 222

I get that Griffin takes hits, but 2 other qbs above with similar build had extremely long "injury free" streaks. Eli rarely takes hits, Favre though was hit fairly frequently in his time in the league, in fact in his first 10 years was sacked more than 25 times in 9 of them. Add in the protection given to qb's nowadays, and the whole hit issue seems like a bit of a red herring.

Now of course, if he were to go down, a lot of people would be saying see!!!, but fact is every year quarterbacks go down. Brady has, Stafford has, Romo has been concussed several times I believe, Aikman left due to concussions. It is a brutal sport, and if teams know that the qb is dangerous, they will want to take as many hits on him as they get paid for (oops, I mean as they can).[/quote]

Did Griffin lose six pounds??? He was 223 at the combine.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;971242]Did Griffin lose six pounds??? He was 223 at the combine.[/quote]

took it from NFL's stat page.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;971244]took it from NFL's stat page.[/quote]

I would still lean towards the 223 lb stat from the combine. But going back to the topic, I don't see how his "style of play" which is pass first, and run if need be is gonna magically get him hurt.

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Anybody remember this?

[url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8517080/jason-pierre-paul-new-york-giants-prepare-face-robert-griffin-iii-washington-redskins]Jason Pierre-Paul, New York Giants prepare to face Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins - ESPN New York[/url]

JPP saying don't bring it to his side in regards to the first game.


[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap2000000105689/QB-Griffin-46-yd-run]QB Griffin, 46-yd, run - NFL Videos[/url]




Now I can see why he didn't want us to bring it to his side. So we wouldn't make him look like a total clown on national TV :laughing-



I can see why Coughlin had this look on his face most of the night.

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JPP was absolutely owned by "Bob" this year.

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[quote=NC_Skins;971253]Anybody remember this?

[url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8517080/jason-pierre-paul-new-york-giants-prepare-face-robert-griffin-iii-washington-redskins]Jason Pierre-Paul, New York Giants prepare to face Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins - ESPN New York[/url]

JPP saying don't bring it to his side in regards to the first game.


[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap2000000105689/QB-Griffin-46-yd-run]QB Griffin, 46-yd, run - NFL Videos[/url]




Now I can see why he didn't want us to bring it to his side. So we wouldn't make him look like a total clown on national TV :laughing-



I can see why Coughlin had this look on his face most of the night.

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There has been a many a coach have that look when facing a good triple option team. Just usually not in the NFL!!!!

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;971249]I would still lean towards the 223 lb stat from the combine. But going back to the topic, I don't see how his "style of play" which is pass first, and run if need be is gonna magically get him hurt.[/quote]

I agree with the 223 part, but even at 217, he's not some scrawny pencil thin guy. My only point was Eli is 2 inches taller at the same listed weight, and Favre, the qb iron man, was the same height and basically the same weight. As Matty said, he will put bulk on in the offseasons and his frame certainly looks to support it.