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... but yes, it was a good thing he did not involve in Syria when their was substantial pressure to do so.

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[quote=over the mountain;1079550]one thing is for sure - i think everyone in hindsight is glad obama pulled back from his red line with syria after the chemical use and didnt do missile strikes to assist the "rebels" against assad like everyone wanted .... as it appears that would have just cleared the way for ISIS "rebels" to control all of syria.

im glad obama didnt listen to the media and pundits who were calling him weak and indecisive. man - could you imagine how hard those same pundits would be now blaming obama for helping ISIS if he had listened to them!![/quote]

To be clear, the line in the sand was one of his good moments, imo. That clarity resulted in chemical weapons being destroyed, without us firing a shot.

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[url]http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/ted-cruzs-dad-the-average-black-does-not-understand-the-mini#mo87eh[/url]



Yeah you fucking lazy black people. What the fuck is wrong with you for wanting a living wage? I remember back when slaves were given food/shelter and we didn't have a issue back then. /s

:Flush:


Why am I not surprised this is coming from Ted Cruz's dad? Imagine if this douche bag runs what the media will do. Just put this on repeat and call it a day.

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Maybe BRICS and the Russia/China/US dynamic deserves it's own thread, but I guess I'm not there yet.

Sept 26th will mark the opening of the Shanghai Gold Exchange International Board. Why is that noteworthy? Well, as was stated earlier, there is a huge push by the BRICS nations to break the US Dollar's position in the world. From a May 27th article, here are a few key developments:

[QUOTE]Shanghai Gold Exchange International Board Another Blow To US Dollar

As we can see power shifting from West to East on a daily basis at the current time of writing, in the fourth quarter of this year the Shanghai Gold Exchange (SGE) will launch an international board in the Shanghai Free Trade Zone (FTZ) for investors worldwide to trade gold spot contracts denominated in renminbi. The purpose being is becoming not only the world’s primary physical gold market but also increase pricing power and internationalize the renminbi.

Shortlist of recent developments regarding the rising powers in the East:

Russia’s central bank bought 28 metric tonnes of gold in April
Russia set up a Euarsian Economic union with Belarus and Kazakhstan
Russia dumps record amounts of US treasuries
Russia closes an energy deal with China worth $400 billion (amongst 40 other business contracts)
Putin says Russia and China need to secure their gold and currency reserves
China openly calls for de-Americanization of the world
China, Russia, Iran and 21 other countries bolster cooperation to promote peace, security and stability in Asia
China is buying assets all over the globe and investing in infrastructure in Africa and West Asia
China is importing unprecedented amounts of physical gold

The SGE international board will be another blow to the US dollar hegemony, as more people around the world will hold renminbi, use the renminbi for trading gold and China wil have more power in pricing gold, though the international board’s pricing power can only be wholly exploited when the renminbi is fully convertible.[/QUOTE]

This twitter feed sums the idea up:
DJ Rubiconski ‏@Rubiconski 28m
GOOD-BYE USD, hello PETROGOLD! #BRICS gold exchange standard currency starts Sept 26 w/ the SHANGHAI GOLD EXCHANGE opening to foreigners! :D

(that feed is pretty much pure propaganda but I am always interested to hear the opposing side of things)

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[url]https://movies.yahoo.com/news/michael-moore-slams-obama-history-only-remember-were-211803862.html[/url]

Michael Moore dropping the bombs on Obama.


[quote]"When the history is written of this era, this is how you'll be remembered: he was the first black president," Moore said during a discussion at The Hollywood Reporter's video lounge at the Toronto Film Festival.

"OK, not a bad accomplishment, but that's it," the director said. "That's it, Mr. Obama. 100 years from now, 'he was the first black American that got elected president' and that's it. Eight years of your life and that's what people are going to remember. Boy, I got a feeling, knowing you, that -- you'd probably wish you were remembered for a few other things, a few other things you could've done."

"So, it is, on that level, a big disappointment," Moore said.[/quote]

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This speech, while it has some nitpicks, is what I was saying he needed to do. I am not going to go bonkers and say it was amazing, but I did think he did a good job.

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I hate Bible thumping assholes.

[url=http://theweek.com/article/index/267950/speedreads-ted-cruz-booed-off-stage-while-defending-israel]Ted Cruz booed off stage while defending Israel - The Week[/url]


The ignorance of this country is astounding.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1082147]I hate Bible thumping assholes.

[url=http://theweek.com/article/index/267950/speedreads-ted-cruz-booed-off-stage-while-defending-israel]Ted Cruz booed off stage while defending Israel - The Week[/url]


The ignorance of this country is astounding.[/quote]

That is the response Ted wanted, its a strategy. Gets him in the papers, people talking.

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/sotloff-s-parents-were-told-they-could-be-prosecuted-for-paying-ransom-to-is-234329991.html]Sotloff's parents told they could be prosecuted for paying ransom to IS[/url]


Obama's administration is straight clown. What kind of jacked up shit is this? Threaten to prosecute the family if they paid the ransom? WTF has gone wrong with our country and government?

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/boehner-says-unemployed-don-t-really-want-jobs-172131239.html]Boehner says unemployed ‘don’t really want’ jobs. How bad a gaffe for GOP?[/url]


Why is it that unemployed people are viewed as lazy? It's this myth that's perpetuated over and over, with people passing along anecdotal stories they've heard.

What do they want when they continue to allow jobs to be shipped overseas?

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I'm still dumbfounded by how so many ignorant dumbasses can wind up on the Committee of Science, Space and Technology. Oh, I know how.....they are paid to deny it. You want to know why our government is a waste of oxygen, space and money.....this is a prime example why.


[url=http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/8q3nmm/burn-noticed]Burn Noticed - The Daily Show - Video Clip | Comedy Central[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1085404][url=http://news.yahoo.com/boehner-says-unemployed-don-t-really-want-jobs-172131239.html]Boehner says unemployed ‘don’t really want’ jobs. How bad a gaffe for GOP?[/url]


Why is it that unemployed people are viewed as lazy? It's this myth that's perpetuated over and over, with people passing along anecdotal stories they've heard.

What do they want when they continue to allow jobs to be shipped overseas?[/quote]

Because it often seems like they are? There are jobs out there, you just have to want to get a job.

It seems like the problem is that they don't want to do the work that is available, or they don't want to work for the pay that's being offered.

I wouldn't allow myself to go 99 weeks without a job. I find it absurd so many people do. I'd be working at a restaurant if I couldn't find a job within 30 days. I wouldn't enjoy it... but I'd do it...

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[quote=tshile;1085557]Because it often seems like they are? There are jobs out there, you just have to want to get a job.

It seems like the problem is that they don't want to do the work that is available, or they don't want to work for the pay that's being offered.

I wouldn't allow myself to go 99 weeks without a job. I find it absurd so many people do. I'd be working at a restaurant if I couldn't find a job within 30 days. I wouldn't enjoy it... but I'd do it...[/quote]

There are jobs but we also need to realize that we continue to shed jobs via robosourcing and outsourcing. Robosourcing in particular is why we have an increase in productivity by companies and increase in revenue generation but continue to shed jobs. Coal mining is a great example. In 2002 the wording of the Clean Water Act to allow mountain top removal mining we increased coal output till around 2009 (it started receiving competition from natural gas at that point) but at the same time decreased the work force by 40,000 jobs due to less need for labor.

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[quote=tshile;1085557]Because it often seems like they are? There are jobs out there, you just have to want to get a job.

It seems like the problem is that they don't want to do the work that is available, or they don't want to work for the pay that's being offered.

I wouldn't allow myself to go 99 weeks without a job. I find it absurd so many people do. I'd be working at a restaurant if I couldn't find a job within 30 days. I wouldn't enjoy it... but I'd do it...[/quote]


Just curious. Exactly what percentage of the unemployed do you see as lazy?

Also, exactly what kind of jobs? Minimum wage jobs? Good paying jobs?

What's the difference in them getting unemployment as compared to them getting a minimum wage job that has to be supplemented by welfare?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1082147]I hate Bible thumping assholes.

[url=http://theweek.com/article/index/267950/speedreads-ted-cruz-booed-off-stage-while-defending-israel]Ted Cruz booed off stage while defending Israel - The Week[/url]


The ignorance of this country is astounding.[/quote]

If he is a no on the Redskin name change thing......I like him

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/armed-former-convict-was-on-elevator-with-obama-in-atlanta/2014/09/30/76d7da24-48e3-11e4-891d-713f052086a0_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost]Armed contractor with criminal record was on elevator with Obama in Atlanta - The Washington Post[/url]

Some of the stories about the Presidential detail make you wonder how seriously they take to protecting him. I am very positive that the one salute with a Latte in hand angered the more military minded on any detail.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1087176][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/armed-former-convict-was-on-elevator-with-obama-in-atlanta/2014/09/30/76d7da24-48e3-11e4-891d-713f052086a0_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost]Armed contractor with criminal record was on elevator with Obama in Atlanta - The Washington Post[/url]

Some of the stories about the Presidential detail make you wonder how seriously they take to protecting him. [B] I am very positive that the one salute with a Latte in hand angered the more military minded on any detail[/B].[/quote]

Its a sad world we live in where the media and folks want to talk about something as meaningless as a latta salute and are too incompetent to have a conversation about the failure of the administration to see the isis threat materialize. The slow isis approach already cost thousands of lives, what did the latte saluate cost?

our country is a joke

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1087176][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/armed-former-convict-was-on-elevator-with-obama-in-atlanta/2014/09/30/76d7da24-48e3-11e4-891d-713f052086a0_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost]Armed contractor with criminal record was on elevator with Obama in Atlanta - The Washington Post[/url]

Some of the stories about the Presidential detail make you wonder how seriously they take to protecting him. [B] I am very positive that the one salute with a Latte in hand angered the more military minded on any detail.[/B][/quote]


[IMG]http://cdn.business2community.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Bush_dog_salute.jpg[/IMG]



Just a note. Presidents didn't salute military men up until Reagan.

[url=http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/sep/24/rachel-maddow/rachel-maddow-not-even-old-gen-eisenhower-saluted-/]Rachel Maddow: 'Not even old Gen. Eisenhower … saluted military personnel' as president | PunditFact[/url]

[quote]We suspect Maddow’s basis for her description may have roots in a 2007 New York Times opinion piece by Garry Wills, a professor emeritus of history at Northwestern University, as well as a 2004 op-ed by then-Reagan military aide and now-Minnesota U.S. Rep. John Kline.

Wills was writing about presidents saluting soldiers when they board and exit Marine One (just like Obama on Tuesday).

"We are reminded, for instance, of the expanded commander in chief status every time a modern president gets off the White House helicopter and returns the salute of marines.

"That is an innovation that was begun by Ronald Reagan. Dwight Eisenhower, a real general, knew that the salute is for the uniform, and as president he was not wearing one. An exchange of salutes was out of order."[/quote]


Straight up from a GOP site.


[url=http://www.texasgopvote.com/military-salute/it-proper-president-render-military-hand-salute-002816]Is it Proper for a President to Render a Military Hand Salute? | Texas GOP Vote[/url]


[quote]The answer is quite simple. The President of the United States is a civilian. He is not a member of the US Military and is therefore not entitled to salute. The military salute is a privilege earned by honorable service in the military. It is also a privilege that can be taken away. Military prisoners are stripped of the privilege of saluting. While the President is Constitutionally the CINC, he is not a member of the military.

One of the core principles of our country is our military is under civilian control. The President is that civilian authority over the military as is the Secretary of Defense and the Secretaries of the branches of the armed services.[/quote]


The President shouldn't be saluting military men. Period. It's not about respect, it's about principles.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1087219]Its a sad world we live in where the media and folks want to talk about something as meaningless as a latta salute and are too incompetent to have a conversation about the failure of the administration to see the isis threat materialize. The slow isis approach already cost thousands of lives, what did the latte saluate cost?

our country is a joke[/QUOTE]
You misjudge the latte salute. The salute in military history is the symbolic epitome of respect. When the Commander in Chief fails to show those charged with his defense a time honored symbol of respect it shows a mentality. And that same mentality goes to the root of the failure on the latest threat.

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Its one thing if its not expected and thus not rendered. Even the hugging the dog pic isn't quite the same, close though and I don't have much respect for Bush's understanding of the salute, but who isn't gonna hug a dog, damn near unpatriotic if you don't. (I keed. I keed) but the dismissive attitude of Pres Obama's was, like I said, to me the lack of respect he has for many foreign policy issues.

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Great to see the fucking pieces of shits on msnbc making these excuses about the ass kicking the dems are taking. I enjoy it, not as much as watching Fox News when the gop gets creamed

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[quote=Chico23231;1093309]Great to see the fucking pieces of shits on msnbc making these excuses about the ass kicking the dems are taking. I enjoy it, not as much as watching Fox News when the gop gets creamed[/quote]


I think it's kind of part of history that seats are lost every 6 years. Happened in Reagan, Clinton's, and Bush's terms.


The Republicans did exactly what they needed to the past 2-4 years. They've bogged down any legislation (even their own bills) to make the President look bad, so they can say "LOOK HE'S A BAD GUY AND THESE GUYS SUPPORT HIM". American voters are some of the biggest idiots out there.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1093334]I think it's kind of part of history that seats are lost every 6 years. Happened in Reagan, Clinton's, and Bush's terms.


The Republicans did exactly what they needed to the past 2-4 years. They've bogged down any legislation (even their own bills) to make the President look bad, so they can say "LOOK HE'S A BAD GUY AND THESE GUYS SUPPORT HIM". American voters are some of the biggest idiots out there.[/quote]

Virginia result to me is absolutely stunning. Mark Warner, who I strongly support, barely beat a lobbiest. Warner is one of those who works across the ailse more than anybody in the senate and has logical takes on issues and puts politics on the side alot of the time. People are just pissed with Obama and are taking it out everywhere...

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Can someone tell me a good reason why people are pissed at Obama anymore? Unemployment way down, the Dow is sky high, more people with health ins than ever before... what exactly are people upset over??

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[quote=Mattyk;1093345]Can someone tell me a good reason why people are pissed at Obama anymore? Unemployment way down, the Dow is sky high, more people with health ins than ever before... what exactly are people upset over??[/quote]

World map is a mess, worse so in a long time.

I think the fact the Dems canidates chose not to run on the economy in most of places tells you alot. The recovery has been uneven and inconsistent in alot of spots. People are still hurtin....prices for food, shelter (rent, homes) are still very high. Hopefully with the energy prices fallin, this could help.

The dow, ugh...i really worry about a bubble

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[quote=Mattyk;1093345]Can someone tell me a good reason why people are pissed at Obama anymore? Unemployment way down, the Dow is sky high, more people with health ins than ever before... what exactly are people upset over??[/quote]

Let's see ...

---> Unemployment is down but real wages remain depressed;

---> The economic recovery happens as a natural swing and the blame/claim as to the Dow's rise and fall aren't attributable to any single President (Clinton, Bush had a hand in the collapse and Bush, Obama had a hand in the recovery).

---> The Affordable Care Act has taken an Orwellian turn and, while more people may have coverage, significant numbers of people are paying a lot more for a lot less coverage. Obama's debacle of mandating that everyone use a broken health care system and couching it as "reform" is coming home to roost. Since October, and for the first time since its enactment, employers are having to comply with the expensive mandate options and employees are finding these costs passed to them or simply having their employer based benefits terminated (leaving folks to enter costly exchanges).

---> Foreign policy - and the lack thereof. I would suggest that there is a real perception out there that the world is a less safe place for America than when he arrived - not all Obama's doing obviously. However, under the guise of ending US unilateralism and "building consensus," Obama has traded away US world dominance and gained no real security benefit in return. On his watch, the world went from a unipolar US led hegemony to a multi-polar world with the other "poles" (China, Russia) having interests and cultures completely divergent from the American/West European ideal.

---> The Justice Department and Eric Holden. - This one is really high on my personal list - IMHO, and in my recollection, this administration has been the absolute worst for its flagrant abuse of the Constitution and Rule of Law ("I have a pen and a phone").

Sure, every past administration has bent some big rules and broken some small ones - but at least they paid lip service to the need for compliance. Obama/Holden have made it clear - in word and deed - that, if the law doesn't allow them to accomplish their agenda, they will ignore laws they don't like. The litany of game changing, unilateral legal actions taken (orand theories presented by this admin's legal team that effect us on a day to day basis and erode at our Constitutional protections have been stunning. Most don't get a lot of press (some do), but those decrying Bush's intrusions hadn't seen anything compared to the Obama/Holden BS.

It's not just what they actually do, it's what they try to do. Sure, lawyers zealously defending their private clients make some crazy arguments it's what they are paid to do - but the Justice Department's "client" should be the Constitution and Holden has all but said "Constitution? We don't need no stinking Constitution!"

As a lawyer, some of the arguments presented by these guys are truly intellectually offensive. They [I]know[/I] they are twisting precedent and being intellectually disingenuous but they justify their legal positions by claiming it is popular or the right thing to do. Thus, rather than building real consensus, reaching across the aisle to do the hard work of carving out compromise through the Constitutionally prescribed process, and, thus, affecting real change in the fabric of society, this administration has bypassed the legislative process and constantly warped the word and spirit existing laws in order to rule through executive regulation/fiat which - for good reason - has only minimal judicial oversight. The result is governance by rules and regulations that do not have broad support or understanding throughout the entire population and this, in turn, creates a disrespect for and an antagonistic approach to the legal process.

---> Ultimately, IMHO, the reaction is to a President constantly shoving an agenda of big government down the country's throat that depresses real growth while at the same time creating no real benefit for middle class families. AND when Republicans reflected the mood of their constituents by saying "No" Obama calls them "obstructionists." For all his talk of conciliation, Obama was as intractable as the opposition. Because he could initiate legislation from the Presidential soap box and the Dems had control of the Senate, the Dems were able to constantly able put Republicans on their heels. This approach, however, completely underestimated their popular support - as evidenced by the massive swing 2010 swing in the House.

[One thing to note - When Obama came into office, the Dems held 256 Congressional seats to Reps 178 and held a 57 to 41 advantage in the Senate. NOW the Reps have a 234 to 201 advantage in the House and at least a 51 to 49 advantage in the Senate. Thus, on Obama's watch, the Dems have lost both houses of Congress. Further, prior to Obama, no President has lost as many seats as he has over the course of their term.]

In truth, if it weren't for Democrats holding the popular ground on social issues (legalization of pot, gay marriage, abortion rights - sorry folks, the hippies won the cultural revolution, live with it), they would have been blown out.

Bottom line, this election creates a potential win-win for the Republicans. IF they create an agenda, pass bills relating to governing (immigration reform for example) and put them before Obama, he and the Dems become the obstructionists if he blocks their agenda. On the other hand, if the Dems work with R's to break through the gridlock, then in 2016 the R's claim "Look, once we had the ability to affect change - rather than just try and stop bad laws - we did it!"

If the Republicans don't shoot themselves in the foot (not a given by a long shot), come up with a real agenda, and back off some of their hard line social stances, the 2014 Republican wave will be a deluge in 2016.

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Puff puff and pass it back to the party that F'd it all up to start with. Gotta love it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1093373]Puff puff and pass it back to the party that F'd it all up to start with. Gotta love it.[/quote]

lol ... let's just say we will have to agree to disagree on this one. The Dem Party isn't blameless in any of this. Lots of folks busy not listening to each other.

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Im at the point its not the canidates/congressman/senators...they are virtually the same it seems minus 15% of them at the opposite end of each spectrum...the crazies or extremes. Everyone else in the between are essentially the same...be it gop or the dems...and they seem like they are disinterested with me the voter.


To me its not the people, its the process which is politics/bur eaucracy which is the problem. That what needs to change. We need a new process or system. Special interest, lobbiest, money should not be the focus of our representatives, the people and voters should be.

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Well, of course, that is the consistent conundrum of a representative democracy - particularly one with a constituency of ~300,000,000 people. Simply put, you cannot legislate people into being good.

If you prohibit lobbyist money, because money always finds a way to gain access, corruption will increase and transparency disappear making it near impossible for the electorate to hold anyone accountable (Folks with the cash will find a way to pay for access - legally or illegally. Most prefer to do it legally so as to avoid risk, but, given the financial stakes, you cannot turn off the tap and illegal methods will suffice).

If you enforce term limits, than the only professionals in government - those who have long term institutional knowledge of how to "get things done" - are the unelected lobbyists, bureaucrats, and non-governmental organizations all of whom will trade expertise (and money) for access (or authority/power in the case of bureaucrats) at the expense of electorate's interests.

If you don't have term limits, you get professional public officials cozying up to professional lobbyists who are detached from and non-responsive to the electorate.

The ONLY way to avoid these pitfalls in a representative democracy and to ensure that elected officials are responsive to "the people and voters" is to have an active and informed electorate that will investigate their representatives positions & cash flow and then hold their representatives accountable for their voting record and funding sources.

We ... are ... doomed.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/05/politics/elections-wednesday/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]Obama: 'I hear you' - CNN.com[/url]

[quote]During a roughly 90-minute press conference Wednesday, Obama gave no sign that he'd accept major revisions to his signature health care law, change his mind on bypassing Congress on immigration or consent to Republican demands on energy and the environment.

Indeed, the President didn't do much to suggest that his White House would work differently after Republicans won at least 52 seats in the Senate and their biggest majority in the House since World War II.
[/quote]

... and, yet, the Republicans are the obstructionists. :doh:

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[quote=Mattyk;1093345]Can someone tell me a good reason why people are pissed at Obama anymore? Unemployment way down, the Dow is sky high, more people with health ins than ever before... what exactly are people upset over??[/quote]


.......he is black ,and he is the cause of absolutely everything wrong in this country and the world ,didn't you know that ?:joecool:

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/13/world/europe/russia-bombers-plan/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]Russia plans long-range bomber flights near U.S. shores - CNN.com[/url]

white house *crickets*

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1093816][url=http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/13/world/europe/russia-bombers-plan/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]Russia plans long-range bomber flights near U.S. shores - CNN.com[/url]

white house *crickets*[/QUOTE]
Heard about that last night...sux!

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[quote=Mattyk;1093345]Can someone tell me a good reason why people are pissed at Obama anymore? Unemployment way down, the Dow is sky high, more people with health ins than ever before... what exactly are people upset over??[/quote]

The conservatives always hated him, what he lost was the left. Drone policy, going back to Iraq, prosecution of the press, immigration. Truth is that Obama would be in the conservative party of almost any European country.

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[quote=Chico23231;1093816][url=http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/13/world/europe/russia-bombers-plan/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]Russia plans long-range bomber flights near U.S. shores - CNN.com[/url]

white house *crickets*[/quote]

What would you like a preemptive nuclear strike? Should they attack Russian bombers in International airspace?

The US did something very similar to this throughout the 60's. It was called Operation Chrome Dome and it only ended after the 5th B-52 crashed while holding H-bombs.

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[quote=Hijinx;1093829]What would you like a preemptive nuclear strike? Should they attack Russian bombers in International airspace?

The US did something very similar to this throughout the 60's. It was called Operation Chrome Dome and it only ended after the 5th B-52 crashed while holding H-bombs.[/quote]

Sure, we press the limits on occasion also. As the article indicates, as long as they stay out of our internationally recognized air space of ~14 miles off-shore, there really isn't anything we can (or should) "do" about it.

Of course, during the 60's when Chrome Dome was flying, we were at the height of the cold-war. Is it Russia's intention to recreate that era's mistrust?

How about a declaration from the Prez along these lines:

"Russia has indicated that they will be again flying offensive military aircraft within the US's claimed 200 mile air-space. It is unfortunate that Mr. Putin continues to use and escalate military confrontation as a foreign policy tactic. While technically legal under international law, Mr. Putin's actions blatantly disregard the US's claimed territorial airspace and are just the latest in a series of foreign policy actions by Mr. Putin which threaten the US's desire for peaceful relations with the Russian people.

Mr. Putin's actions unnecessarily harken back to a time of suspicion and confrontation epitomized by the 60's cold war era. It is not my countrymen's desire to return to those dark times, but, if forced upon us, we will face Mr. Putin with the same resolve with which we faced the decrepit and tyrannical Soviet oligarchs of that bygone era.

So that there is no misunderstandings, Mr. Putin should know that the US deems these flights as what they are clearly meant to be - a demonstration of offensive military capability against the US mainland. Accordingly, and with full respect to international law, any Russian military aircraft entering into US international airspace, without prior permission, to do so will be deemed to be taking offensive action against the US soil and will be immediately, and with no further warning, shot down.

Because of the offensive nature of weapons being used by Mr. Putin for these flights, Mr. Putin's choice to make these flights in close proximity to American citizens and industry, and Mr. Putin's past willingness to ignore and / or respect internationally recognized borders, claims of malfunctions or navigational errors by Russian military aircraft can not be considered as trustworthy and military planes making such claims will be shot down immediately upon entering the US's internationally recognized airspace. Accordingly, Mr. Putin, and Mr. Putin alone, is accountable for the risk he imposes on Russian military personnel.

It is unfortunate in this time of trouble when cool heads and peaceful processes are needed that Mr. Putin, instead, adopts the militarily confrontational methods of a bygone era. While striving always for peaceful resolution of differences, the US cannot and will not put the security of its citizens at risk and trust their safety to the petty sabre rattling of a tin-plated despot. We can only hope that Mr. Putin recognizes the error of this tactic and chooses to respect US territorial claims by making no flights within the 200 mile airspace claimed by US."

or just a simple "Okay, but we're going to shoot first and ask questions later if they get to close."

Never going to happen and Putin knows it. It's like he is just pissing on Obama and daring Obama to say anything about it. Obama really is Putin's biatch.

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[quote=Hijinx;1093829]What would you like a preemptive nuclear strike? Should they attack Russian bombers in International airspace?

The US did something very similar to this throughout the 60's. It was called Operation Chrome Dome and it only ended after the 5th B-52 crashed while holding H-bombs.[/quote]

Yes a preemptive nuclear strike.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1093831]Sure, we press the limits on occasion also. As the article indicates, as long as they stay out of our internationally recognized air space of ~14 miles off-shore, there really isn't anything we can (or should) "do" about it.

Of course, during the 60's when Chrome Dome was flying, we were at the height of the cold-war. Is it Russia's intention to recreate that era's mistrust?
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Yes. That is what most on the right don't get. Not necessarily Russia, but Putin. A response like what you describe is just what Putin wants. He wants to try to provoke the US to overreact so he can overreact and so on. Putin wants to try to come off looking tough. This plays well with the his hardliners (think Reagan talking up the "Big Russian Bear"). There is no real threat, but he hopes to create one(think Reagan talking up the "Big Russian Bear").

This tacit doesn't play well with all groups within Russian namely the young and the rich, who are hurt by economic sanctions and would not benefit from poor relations with the US and Europe.

If Obama came out and made stupid, wild, and poorly thought out threats,(think Reagan talking up the "Big Russian Bear"), then it would it give Putin exactly what he wants. Not only that, but there is almost 0 support in this country for escalating tensions with Russia.

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[quote=Chico23231;1093832]Yes a preemptive nuclear strike.[/quote]

The Skins season has totally stressed me out....I could totally get behind a preemptive strike........