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[quote=44ever;985988]Thats not the result of a level 1 sprain at week 4 of healing, thats a very loose knee with very limited natural support. Guess all we can do at this point is hope he heals fast.[/quote]

It may be 4 weeks after he injured his LCL but He really only had a week and a half to rest it. Since then he has been back running on the same knee before it had a chance to properly heal. Because of the of the nature of a sprain (some tearing of the ligament) it made him more susceptible having his knee give out on him.

My point is waiting a week and a half then playing football on a recovering knee is not equal to 4 weeks of rest.

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I don't fear amputation.

Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic man. Robert Griffin III will be that man. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, faster.

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How all of our lives went from riding high to hoping and praying in the blink of an eye. We jumped out 7-0 and looked unstoppable and were driving for more points when Griffin rolled out to his right and re-aggravated his knee. Then when he through the TD anyways to go up 14-0 we all thought wow he's ok, we're kicking ass, we're gonna win, etc. etc. Now its been reduced to half of us freaking out (i'm on this side) and the other half trying to calm us down.

I just hope Dr. Andrews can work his magic and RGIII will take that determination and be back better than ever. I have faith in both of them.

Herm Edwards " RGIII should never run the option again, He's a franchise QB, let him pass "

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[quote=skinsfaninok;986013]Herm Edwards " RGIII should never run the option again, He's a franchise QB, let him pass "[/quote]

Can't really argue that point. Time to turn him to a Peyton or Tom Brady

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What do you do about him scrambling?

Sorry but this nonsense about the option being a problem isn't cutting it with me.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;986016]What do you do about him scrambling?

Sorry but this nonsense about the option being a problem isn't cutting it with me.[/QUOTE]

+1 agree completely and is not why we drafted the guy

If he doesn't learn from this that he needs to quit taking so many violent hits he never will.

I think he will adapt his style to accommodate this offense. He just seems to go flying whenever he is hit. I think he starts to control himself better by getting what he can while maintaing control.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;986013]Herm Edwards " RGIII should never run the option again, He's a franchise QB, let him pass "[/quote]

And Herm, that's why you aren't coaching in the NFL.

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[quote=Mattyk;986016]What do you do about him scrambling?

Sorry but this nonsense about the option being a problem isn't cutting it with me.[/quote]

Of course I'm not saying he can't scramble. I was more or less referring to the designed option runs. Doesn't make sense to unnecessarily risk his health trying to take hard cuts to run around defenders.

I think it's absurd to assume that wen rg3 comes back the offense will look as it did this year.

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I expect with a year's worth of experience RGIII will have a better idea of what he needs to protect himself so he can have a long and healthy career. I also expect the Skins coaching staff will make the necessary adjustments.

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[quote=jbcjr14;986017]+1 agree completely and is not why we drafted the guy[/quote]

I completely disagree. I think we drafted him because was an exceptional passer that had the luxury of being able to run. I think we all can agree that the initial plan was to let RG3 run more as he's young and acclimating to the NFL, and as he grows, reduce his designed runs. My point is, I think we have to move up that timetable to make him the pocket passer he can and was eventually intended to be.

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Without a doubt RGIII's knee has surpassed the talk of the fiscal cliff and debt ceiling. It is easily the most talked about knee in the DMV if not the NFL.

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I tend to agree with letting him run, but I think to compliment that ability he MUST develop his game as a pocket passer. He will slow down. If this doesn't than time will eventually. To last 10 plus years as a franchise quarterback RG3 will have to learn to be a pocket passer. We all know he has a rocket, good vision, accuracy, etc. He has all the tools, and to be sure his knee effected his game in many ways Sunday, but if he can't be a pocket passer w/o the [I]threat[/I] of options, keepers, bootlegs, etc. than he will sizzle out early in his career. I am extremely confidant this young man will do that, but I hope he can stay out of the way of his ego. I think he will, he is obviously not himself right now, can we really blame him for being pissed?

I'm just the messenger guys lol.. I do want to see Robert turn more into a pure pocket passer eventually though

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The designed runs were already way down in the 2nd half of the season. Of course he's going to be more of a pocket passer in the future. But he's also a dynamic runner. It would be foolish to bottle that part of his game up completely.

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[quote=Mattyk;986035]The designed runs were already way down in the 2nd half of the season. Of course he's going to be more of a pocket passer in the future. But he's also a dynamic runner. It would be foolish to bottle that part of his game up completely.[/quote]

The dude will potentially have two torn ACLs in his career, I don't think there is a point to uncecessarily tempt fate and risk his career. If I'm his coach, I'd definitely move up that timetable and limit the runs even more.

I'm not saying dump the roll outs and bootlegs, I'm just saying use some caution with how we use this kid on designed runs. I don't think that's an unreasonable suggestion to mold this guy into the pocket passer he's meant to be.

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[quote=mbedner3420;986038]The dude will potentially have two torn ACLs in his career, I don't think there is a point to uncecessarily tempt fate and risk his career. If I'm his coach, I'd definitely move up that timetable and limit the runs even more.

I'm not saying dump the roll outs and bootlegs, I'm just saying use some caution with how we use this kid on designed runs. I don't think that's an unreasonable suggestion to mold this guy into the pocket passer he's meant to be.[/quote]

We're saying the same thing basically, and the offense was already evolving.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;986023]And Herm, that's why you aren't coaching in the NFL.[/quote]

Well let me ask this ,how many times can you rebuild a knee before .....it affects play?Already been done in College and now seems like it will be done after 1 year in the NFL,I don't know so I'm asking,how much more can his knee take?

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[quote=Mattyk;986042]We're saying the same thing basically, and the offense was already evolving.[/quote]

Perhaps, but my stance might be a bit more extreme.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;986013]Herm Edwards " RGIII should never run the option again, He's a franchise QB, let him pass "[/quote]

"You play to win the game"

[QUOTE=Giantone;986043]Well let me ask this ,how many times can you rebuild a knee before .....it affects play?Already been done in College and now seems like it will be done after 1 year in the NFL,I don't know so I'm asking,how much more can his knee take?[/QUOTE]

It's true, many say rivers hasn't been the same after his knee injury, but then again Tom Brady was great after. Guess it depends on the knee. Hopefully Griffin will be just fine

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Lets go kissingcousins!!

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[quote=Mattyk;986035]The designed runs were already way down in the 2nd half of the season. Of course he's going to be more of a pocket passer in the future. But he's also a dynamic runner. It would be foolish to bottle that part of his game up completely.[/quote]

Some of the more memorable hits he took were on broken plays. I feel as though most of the designed runs he was sliding or getting out of bounds. This may be due to the fact that when he runs, both designed and on broken plays there is a set goal. On a designed run he hits the goal and can get down or out of bounds. While on the broken plays to get to that goal yardage he runs more aggressively.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;985955]If they are partial tears, can they be fixed without surgery? Is surgery the better option for a partial tear?[/quote]

I been there before....It all depends on how bad the partial tears are.......R.I.C.E can heal it but he's gonna have to miss some camp. it's tricky....

[QUOTE=CASKINS;986056]I been there before....It all depends on how bad the partial tears are.......R.I.C.E can heal it but he's gonna have to miss some camp. it's tricky....[/QUOTE]

Sorry what is RICE?

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Rest Ice Compression Elevation

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Rest, ice, compression, elevation

[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;986062]Rest Ice Compression Elevation[/QUOTE]

K thanks. Hopefully that's all he'll need

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boom boom

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[quote=CASKINS;986056]I been there before....It all depends on how bad the partial tears are.......R.I.C.E can heal it but he's gonna have to miss some camp. it's tricky....[/quote]


With partial tears, it might as well be a full one as far as athletes go. Most are viewed as a complete ACL tear waiting to happen. I would suspect that most partial ACL tears in athletes are completely replaced. Ordinary people like me and you would be a different story.

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[quote=NC_Skins;986072]With partial tears, it might as well be a full one as far as athletes go. Most are viewed as a ACL tear waiting to happen. I would suspect that most partial ACL tears in athletes are completely replaced. Ordinary people like me and you would be a different story.[/quote]

I do a form of full contact Karate basically I had to sit down for a couple of months. I'm thinking he shouldn't of played against the eagles.

@HTTR24_7: WOW.. So @kevinandrock are reporting RGIII had a sprained ACL and LCL following the Ngata hit..

@HTTR24_7: Also saying the plan was for the team to announce the acl injury following the season, claiming it was a result of playing on the lcl.

[QUOTE=mbedner3420;986026]Of course I'm not saying he can't scramble. I was more or less referring to the designed option runs. Doesn't make sense to unnecessarily risk his health trying to take hard cuts to run around defenders.

I think it's absurd to assume that wen rg3 comes back the offense will look as it did this year.[/QUOTE]
NONE of his injuries are due to the read option. Its absurd to think that has anything to do with this conversation.

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[quote=Gtothearry;986077][B][SIZE="4"]@HTTR24_7: WOW.. So @kevinandrock are reporting RGIII had a sprained ACL and LCL following the Ngata hit..

@HTTR24_7: Also saying the plan was for the team to announce the acl injury following the season, claiming it was a result of playing on the lcl[/SIZE][/B].[/quote]



I just saw that. If this is true, what in the holy **** is going on with our coaching staff? Why do we even have a medical staff? Just let the coaching staff take care if. :doh:

[QUOTE=Gtothearry;986077]@HTTR24_7: WOW.. So @kevinandrock are reporting RGIII had a sprained ACL and LCL following the Ngata hit..

@HTTR24_7: Also saying the plan was for the team to announce the acl injury following the season, claiming it was a result of playing on the lcl.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;986079]NONE of his injuries are due to the read option. Its absurd to think that has anything to do with this conversation.[/QUOTE]

I think what herm was trying to say is do u want Griffin to play 10 yrs or 5 yrs? Meaning he believes griff better stop running if he wants to play long and honestly I kinda agree with him, he's played 1 season and we are already terrified that he has a torn acl

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[quote=Gtothearry;986077]@HTTR24_7: WOW.. So @kevinandrock are reporting RGIII had a sprained ACL and LCL following the Ngata hit..

@HTTR24_7: Also saying the plan was for the team to announce the acl injury following the season, claiming it was a result of playing on the lcl.[/quote]

If this is true, this would have changed my view on him playing those games. It is what it is, I am guessing this was the organizations and RG3 decision to take these risks, and now they will have to live with the consequences.

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if he was playing on a sprained acl, well... he shouldn't have been. that's stupid.

it does explain why he's looked awful for 2 weeks though.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;986080]I just saw that. If this is true, what in the holy **** is going on with our coaching staff? Why do we even have a medical staff? Just let the coaching staff take care if. :doh:[/QUOTE]

It's what the majority of us have been saying since he came back. U could tell against Philly it wasn't a grade 1 sprain. He didn't get any better over 4 weeks. It's a shame they didn't pull him after the 1st quarter tweak & especially if they knew the above. Even letting him play at all in the past few weeks was ignorant.