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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1057657]But that wouldn't have mattered in the mall shooting right. So how is that a solution?[/quote]

What proof do you have that it wouldn't have mattered ?




[url=http://uk.reuters.com/video/2014/01/28/gun-shop-owners-say-no-red-flags-raised?videoId=276616189&videoChannel=1]Gun shop owners say no red flags raised on suspected mall shooter | Video | Reuters.com[/url]

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[quote=RedskinRat;1057692]Who gets to decide that? Who would you trust? I don't want anyone who believes in the supernatural having that kind of power, so there goes 80% of the country.
[/quote]


You way isn't working if it was those two kids in the Mall would be alive .

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[quote=Giantone;1057726]What proof do you have that it wouldn't have mattered ?




[url=http://uk.reuters.com/video/2014/01/28/gun-shop-owners-say-no-red-flags-raised?videoId=276616189&videoChannel=1]Gun shop owners say no red flags raised on suspected mall shooter | Video | Reuters.com[/url][/quote]

??? your video offers the proof. What the heck are you talking about, this kid bought the gun a month ago, passed background checks, has no history of mental illness, and was of age to buy guns. Name any law passed or vetoed that would have prevented this fellow from buying a shotgun for home protection?

In what scenario of yours would this legal aged sane with no criminal history adult, be deemed "a person people that should not have them"?

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[quote=Giantone;1057727]You way isn't working if it was those two kids in the Mall would be alive .[/quote]

What's 'my way'? How much do you know about his friends or family or any history of attempted interventions.

[I]Last year, Maryland passed sweeping restrictions on gun ownership, including a ban on new purchases of assault weapons and a 10-round limit on magazines. [/I]

I'd say YOUR way isn't working.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1057728]In what scenario of yours would this legal aged sane with no criminal history adult, be deemed "a person people that should not have them"?[/quote]

The scenario is one titled '[I]Nobody gets to own a firearm[/I]'. Then GiantOne will be happy.

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[quote=Giantone;1057727]You way isn't working if it was those two kids in the Mall would be alive .[/quote]

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Even if there WERE a way to keep guns out of the hands of people who are bent on murdering someone, there are other things they can use to do it.


"YOUR WAY" of disarming the general public so the killers can have free reign on taking out anyone they want without the chance of anyone defending themselves isn't working.

Such a simple concept, yet so difficult for so many people...hence the situation our nation is in these past 5+ years.

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Funny how DC has the strictest gun laws in the USA, but double the murder rate of the highest state.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1058105]Funny how DC has the strictest gun laws in the USA, but double the murder rate of the highest state.[/quote]


:doh: , think about it .

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[url=http://www.nbcnews.com/health/guns-hurt-or-kill-10-000-children-us-each-year-2D11997891]Guns hurt or kill 10,000 children in the U.S. each year: study - NBC News.com[/url]

School shootings unnerve Americans, but the number of children injured or killed in those tragic events is just a fraction of the young people harmed by firearms each year in the United States, a new study finds.
Injuries from firearms send more than 7,000 kids to the hospital annually, an average of 20 per day. Among those admitted to the hospital, 6 percent die from their injuries, according to the study published in Pediatrics Monday.
“That’s more than 7,000 children injured badly enough to be hospitalized,” said Dr. John Leventhal, the study’s lead author and a professor of pediatrics at the Yale School of Medicine. “All are unnecessary hospitalizations because preventing gun violence is something that can actually be done.”
In addition to children hospitalized for gun injuries, another 3,000 die before they can make it to the emergency room, meaning guns hurt or kill about 10,000 American children each year, Leventhal said

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[quote=Giantone;1058146][URL="http://www.nbcnews.com/health/guns-hurt-or-kill-10-000-children-us-each-year-2D11997891"]Guns hurt or kill 10,000 children in the U.S. each year: study - NBC News.com[/URL]
[/quote]

Utter and complete nonsense:

[I]“That’s more than 7,000 children injured badly enough to be hospitalized,” said Dr. John Leventhal, the study’s lead author and a professor of pediatrics at the Yale School of Medicine. [B][U]“All are unnecessary hospitalizations because preventing gun violence is something that can actually be done.”

[/U][/B][/I]This is also the same study you cited earlier that we had a difference of opinion over because they include poor, sweet, innocent young Gang Bangers as children, despite clear evidence that they are not. You want to behave like and criminal adult and puff up? Fine, you'll get tried as an adult. They need to start keeping statistics to cover this major point.

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and another thing:
Children: Children ages 1 to 4 have the highest rates. In 2009, among children 1 to 4 years old who died from an unintentional injury, more than 30% died from this.

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here's the link for that last statistic

[URL="http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html"]CDC Reports[/URL]

[COLOR="White"]don't let on that it's drowning, just for fun[/COLOR]

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CRedskinsRule, you put up a link for drowning.

[LIST][*][I][B]Males: [/B]Nearly 80% of people who die from drowning are male.2 [/I][*][I][B]Children:[/B] Children ages 1 to 4 have the highest drowning rates. In 2009, among children 1 to 4 years old who died from an unintentional injury, more than 30% died from drowning.1,2 Among children ages 1 to 4, most drownings occur in home swimming pools.2 Drowning is responsible for more deaths among children 1-4 than any other cause except congenital anomalies (birth defects).1 Among those 1-14, fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death behind motor vehicle crashes.1[/I][*][I][B]Minorities:[/B] Between 2005 and 2009, the fatal unintentional drowning rate for African Americans was significantly higher than that of whites across all ages.2 The disparity is widest among children 5-14 years old. The fatal drowning rate of African American children ages 5 to 14 is almost three times that of white children in the same age range.2 [/I][/LIST]

From the article GiantOne posted, as it substantiates what I've been saying:

[I]If you look at homicide as a function of age, you’ll see that there is a peak between 18 and 20, Webster said. “So for this very high risk group of 18- to 20-year olds[/I]".

And from another CDC report:

[I]Nearly 800 children under 14 were killed in gun accidents from 1999 to 2010, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

[/I]So I'd hazard a guess that whilst it's a tragedy that 800 kids die, possibly because of their parents' blase attitude to gun safety, it's far from the 3,000 figure and a long way off the 10,000 that's used to scare the uninformed pearl-clutchers.

[I]Research shows that storing guns locked and unloaded reduces the risk of both injuries and suicide by about 70%, according to a 2005 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association.[/I]

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[quote=RedskinRat;1058155]CRedskinsRule, you put up a link for drowning.


[LIST] [*][I][B]Males: [/B]Nearly 80% of people who die from drowning are male.2 [/I][*][I][B]Children:[/B] Children ages 1 to 4 have the highest drowning rates. In 2009, among children 1 to 4 years old who died from an unintentional injury, more than 30% died from drowning.1,2 Among children ages 1 to 4, most drownings occur in home swimming pools.2 Drowning is responsible for more deaths among children 1-4 than any other cause except congenital anomalies (birth defects).1 Among those 1-14, fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death behind motor vehicle crashes.1[/I][*][I][B]Minorities:[/B] Between 2005 and 2009, the fatal unintentional drowning rate for African Americans was significantly higher than that of whites across all ages.2 The disparity is widest among children 5-14 years old. The fatal drowning rate of African American children ages 5 to 14 is almost three times that of white children in the same age range.2 [/I][/LIST]

From the article GiantOne posted, as it substantiates what I've been saying:

[I]If you look at homicide as a function of age, you’ll see that there is a peak between 18 and 20, Webster said. “So for this very high risk group of 18- to 20-year olds[/I]".

And from another CDC report:

[I]Nearly 800 children under 14 were killed in gun accidents from 1999 to 2010, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention[/I]

So I'd hazard a guess that whilst it's a tragedy that 800 kids die, possibly because of their parents' blase attitude to gun safety, it's far from the 3,000 figure and a long way off the 10,000 that's used to scare the uninformed pearl-clutchers.

[I]Research shows that storing guns locked and unloaded reduces the risk of both injuries and suicide by about 70%, according to a 2005 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association.[/I][/quote]


No rat what scares us is people like you who feel that the only way to stop kids dying .....is more guns .

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1058153]and another thing:
Children: Children ages 1 to 4 have the highest rates. In 2009, among children 1 to 4 years old who died from an unintentional injury, more than 30% died from this.[/quote]

“He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot.”
― [URL="https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx"][COLOR=#0066cc]Groucho Marx[/COLOR][/URL]

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[quote=Giantone;1058157]No rat what scares us is people like you who feel that the only way to stop kids dying .....is more guns .[/quote]

I have never said that more guns will stop kids dying. It's a stupid thing to say.

I'd like firearms courses taught in school, but I'd also like PT and life skills taught. I'll probably get a Unicorn before those things all happen.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1058155]CRedskinsRule, you put up a link for drowning.

[LIST][*][I][B]Males: [/B]Nearly 80% of people who die from drowning are male.2 [/I][*][I][B]Children:[/B] Children ages 1 to 4 have the highest drowning rates. In 2009, among children 1 to 4 years old who died from an unintentional injury, more than 30% died from drowning.1,2 Among children ages 1 to 4, most drownings occur in home swimming pools.2 Drowning is responsible for more deaths among children 1-4 than any other cause except congenital anomalies (birth defects).1 Among those 1-14, fatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death behind motor vehicle crashes.1[/I][*][I][B]Minorities:[/B] Between 2005 and 2009, the fatal unintentional drowning rate for African Americans was significantly higher than that of whites across all ages.2 The disparity is widest among children 5-14 years old. The fatal drowning rate of African American children ages 5 to 14 is almost three times that of white children in the same age range.2 [/I][/LIST]

From the article GiantOne posted, as it substantiates what I've been saying:

[I]If you look at homicide as a function of age, you’ll see that there is a peak between 18 and 20, Webster said. “So for this very high risk group of 18- to 20-year olds[/I]".

And from another CDC report:

[I]Nearly 800 children under 14 were killed in gun accidents from 1999 to 2010, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

[/I]So I'd hazard a guess that whilst it's a tragedy that 800 kids die, possibly because of their parents' blase attitude to gun safety, it's far from the 3,000 figure and a long way off the 10,000 that's used to scare the uninformed pearl-clutchers.

[I]Research shows that storing guns locked and unloaded reduces the risk of both injuries and suicide by about 70%, according to a 2005 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association.[/I][/quote]

I know it was drowning. I wanted to see if anyone would take the bait on how kids have to be protected. That's why I provided the link separately

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[quote=Giantone;1058160]“He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot.”
― [URL="https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx"][COLOR=#0066cc]Groucho Marx[/COLOR][/URL][/quote]

be honest, you wanted to cite those stats if RR hadn't spoiled the fun.

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I do have a habit of ruining everything.......

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Pearl Clutcher?????
YOU are the man.....!

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1058105]Funny how DC has the strictest gun laws in the USA, but double the murder rate of the highest state.[/quote]

[quote=Giantone;1058141]:doh: , think about it .[/quote]

What's your point? Mine is most gun laws do not work. The gun control debate is an interesting one as it is an argument where one side (the anti-gun crowd) usually knows next to nothing about what they want to control. I find the outrage against assault rifles because of there use in mass shootings comical. In most of those a pistol would have been a better weapon of choice as they were done at short range and in a confined space, the pistol is much easier to conceal, maneuver and aim than a rifle with a two foot long barrel. Another one is the limit on clip size down to seven shots in a lot of places. I have neither fast hands or nimble fingers, but I can pull a clip out of a jacket pocket and change it out in less than 3 seconds. I saw a guy doing that in an internet video and I swear he was so fast you could barely tell he was changing them out, I bet it was less than a second.

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It is estimated 4.5 children a day died from child abuse and neglect in the USA. That is over 1600 a year. Yet assault rifles get all the bad press, they are way less dangerous than parents.

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No one needs a license to create a life then ruin it, good point Bob.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1059551]It is estimated 4.5 children a day died from child abuse and neglect in the USA. That is over 1600 a year. Yet assault rifles get all the bad press, they are way less dangerous than parents.[/quote]



So Bob you don't consider this abuse (grandparents in this case), huh?


[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-hidden-toll.html?_r=0[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000002466434/accidental-shootings.html"]An Accidental Shooting - Video - NYTimes.com[/URL]

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[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/guns-120-kids-newtown-article-1.1391208]Guns killing children: An American epidemic - NY Daily News[/url]

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[quote=RedskinRat;1059573]No one needs a license to create a life then ruin it, good point Bob.[/quote]


wow, pretty ignorant of you .

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[quote=RedskinRat;1059540][IMG]http://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1779179_736105019757562_878333588_n.png[/IMG][/quote]
Your numbers seem a bit off ....


[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/guns-child-deaths-more-than-cancer/2073259/"]Epidemic: Guns kill twice as many kids as cancer does[/URL]

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ASBURY PARK, N.J. — Most victims of gun violence in 2010 were not on a battlefield or remote hillside in the Middle East fighting in a war. They were, like 6-year-old Brandon Holt, children and teenagers in America, according to the Children's Defense Fund.
Brandon was shot in the head by his friend and neighbor, an unidentified 4-year-old boy, on Monday night. He is now also a statistic of gun violence.
[B]STORY: [/B][URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/child-accidental-shooting/2073247/"][COLOR=#0066cc]Family donates N.J. boy's organs after shooting death[/COLOR][/URL]
In 2010, 15,576 children and teenagers were injured by firearms — three times more than the number of U.S. soldiers injured in the war in Afghanistan, according to the defense fund.
Nationally, guns still kill twice as many children and young people than cancer, five times as many than heart disease and 15 times more than infection, according to the New England Journal of Medicine.

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[quote=Giantone;1059583][url=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/guns-120-kids-newtown-article-1.1391208]Guns killing children: An American epidemic Â* - NY Daily News[/url][/quote]A map of kids being killed in car accidents would have more spots on the map. So why don't we ban cars? Or swimming pools? Or should we continue try to minimize the deaths associated with our activities instead? Instead of being an anti-gun nut like giantone.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1059586]A map of kids being killed in car accidents would have more spots on the map.[/quote]


what is the name of the thread ?

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[quote=RedskinRat;1059573]No one needs a license to create a life then ruin it, good point .[/quote]


Good Point Rat ....


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[B][quote=Giantone;1059585]Your numbers seem a bit off ....[/B]


[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/guns-child-deaths-more-than-cancer/2073259/"]Epidemic: Guns kill twice as many kids as cancer does[/URL]

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ASBURY PARK, N.J. — Most victims of gun violence in 2010 were not on a battlefield or remote hillside in the Middle East fighting in a war. They were, like 6-year-old Brandon Holt, children and teenagers in America, according to the Children's Defense Fund.
Brandon was shot in the head by his friend and neighbor, an unidentified 4-year-old boy, on Monday night. He is now also a statistic of gun violence.
[B]STORY: [/B][URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/child-accidental-shooting/2073247/"][COLOR=#0066cc]Family donates N.J. boy's organs after shooting death[/COLOR][/URL]
In 2010, 15,576 children and teenagers were injured by firearms — three times more than the number of U.S. soldiers injured in the war in Afghanistan, according to the defense fund.
Nationally, guns still kill twice as many children and young people than cancer, five times as many than heart disease and 15 times more than infection, according to the New England Journal of Medicine.[/quote]

Look again at the picture he put up, the numbers are not off. You are making a case about my point that the ant-gun crowd doesn't know much about guns. That 322 does not represent all gun deaths, look again and think about it. Hint, it is a specific classification of gun that all the Democrats that would
not know a 9MM pistol from a .177 Co2 pellet gun want banned.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1059604][B]

Look again at the picture he put up, the numbers are not off. You are making a case about my point that the ant-gun crowd doesn't know much about guns. That 322 does not represent all gun deaths, look again and think about it. Hint, it is a specific classification of gun that all the Democrats that would
not know a 9MM pistol from a .177 Co2 pellet gun want banned.[/quote]


I see perfectly well ,the pro Gun Nuts need to pick and choose ,while the gun safety side is all inclusive .

[QUOTE=Giantone;1059610]I see perfectly well ,the pro Gun Nuts need to pick and choose ,while the gun safety side is all inclusive .[/QUOTE]

'Gun safety side'..........GTFOOH!

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[quote=Giantone;1059588]what is the name of the thread ?[/quote]Based on every gun thread this forum, call it "Giantone fails logical thinking again". Your selective outrage is telling.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1059604][B]

Look again at the picture he put up, the numbers are not off. You are making a case about my point that the ant-gun crowd doesn't know much about guns. That 322 does not represent all gun deaths, look again and think about it. Hint, it is a specific classification of gun that all the Democrats that would
not know a 9MM pistol from a .177 Co2 pellet gun want banned.[/quote]

So the hand represents deaths by what just the right hand ???BS .All the deaths were by claw hammers only ??? ah no .

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[quote=HailGreen28;1059620]Based on every gun thread this forum, call it "Giantone fails logical thinking again". Your selective outrage is telling.[/quote]
You and others just can't handle the truth .


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk]You Can't Handle the Truth! - A Few Good Men (7/8) Movie CLIP (1992) HD - YouTube[/ame]

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Wow Giantone, instead of just admitting you stuck your foot in your mouth, you just go on another tirade. How could someone not understand why there was only a 322 next to that assault rifle? Typical anti gun person, instead of listening to the other side of the argument, you are just concerned with what you are going to blurt out next. If anyone needs to listen to the other side it is the anti gun crowd, most know zero about guns, and propose solutions that don't work. The only people who are going to obey more gun laws are law abiding citizens who don't go around shooting people anyway.

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[quote=Giantone;1058146][url=http://www.nbcnews.com/health/guns-hurt-or-kill-10-000-children-us-each-year-2D11997891]Guns hurt or kill 10,000 children in the U.S. each year: study - NBC News.com[/url]

School shootings unnerve Americans, but the number of children injured or killed in those tragic events is just a fraction of the young people harmed by firearms each year in the United States, a new study finds.
Injuries from firearms send more than 7,000 kids to the hospital annually, an average of 20 per day. Among those admitted to the hospital, 6 percent die from their injuries, according to the study published in Pediatrics Monday.
“That’s more than 7,000 children injured badly enough to be hospitalized,” said Dr. John Leventhal, the study’s lead author and a professor of pediatrics at the Yale School of Medicine. “All are unnecessary hospitalizations because preventing gun violence is something that can actually be done.”
In addition to children hospitalized for gun injuries, another 3,000 die before they can make it to the emergency room, meaning guns hurt or kill about 10,000 American children each year, Leventhal said[/quote]

Even if your claims were true, the best thing parents could do is join the NRA and take advantage of their training courses. The NRA has done more to prevent accidents than any anti-gun law has. They've educated millions on gun safety and proper and responsible ownership.

I'll make my next donation in your name. It's for the children. ;)