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As Law Enforcement have a life/death influence over everyone's life I hold them to a higher standard than, say, a postal worker.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1004398]Eh. I really don't buy that, I think they knew for a while where he was but didn't want to move in right away. They were all worried he had bombs strapped to himself.[/quote]

LOL. Wait, you think they knew where he was the whole time and just was all spread out instead of having the house surrounded?.... :doh:


Hell, that makes them sound more incompetent than a bleeding 19 year old kid eluding them.


[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/watertown-man-finds-bomber-holed-boat-article-1.1322387]Watertown man Dave Henneberry steps outside for cigarette, finds bomb suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev hiding in his boat - NY Daily News[/url]


This is one of the masterminds chasing him.


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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1004411]LOL. Wait, you think they knew where he was the whole time and just was all spread out instead of having the house surrounded?.... :doh:


Hell, that makes them sound more incompetent than a bleeding 19 year old kid eluding them.


[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/watertown-man-finds-bomber-holed-boat-article-1.1322387]Watertown man Dave Henneberry steps outside for cigarette, finds bomb suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev hiding in his boatÂ* - NY Daily News[/url]


This is one of the masterminds chasing him.


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No not the whole time but yes for a couple hours. The chief even said they did

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[quote=NC_Skins;1004411]LOL. Wait, you think they knew where he was the whole time and just was all spread out instead of having the house surrounded?.... :doh:


Hell, that makes them sound more incompetent than a bleeding 19 year old kid eluding them.


[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/watertown-man-finds-bomber-holed-boat-article-1.1322387]Watertown man Dave Henneberry steps outside for cigarette, finds bomb suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev hiding in his boatÂ* - NY Daily News[/url]


[B]This is one of the masterminds chasing him.[/B]


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LOL that is a such a great epic fail. Where can I get my FBI online degree?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1004413]No not the whole time but yes for a couple hours. The chief even said they did[/quote]

What's he supposed to say? Uhh....yeah, we forgot to look in the boat. Our bad.


You actually think, they would let the people in that house, just stroll into the backyard where they knew he was hiding? C'mon man....

Yeah, we're going to lock down the entire city, but we'll allow this guy to stay in his house and go into his back yard where we know the killer is hiding.

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/final-shootout-then-boston-bombing-suspect-caught-112744657.html]Final shootout, then Boston bombing suspect caught[/url]

[quote]Weary officials lifted a daylong order that had kept residents in their homes, saying it was fruitless to keep an entire city locked down. Then one man emerged from his home and noticed blood on the pleasure boat parked in his backyard. He lifted the tarp and found the wounded 19-year-old college student known the world over as Suspect No. 2.[/quote]


Like I said, that sounds more incompetent than the bleeding 19 year old eluding them for so long.

Why are we second guessing?? They got them, end of story.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1004420]Why are we second guessing?? They got them, end of story.[/QUOTE]

Because they are public servants paid to protect us. I would like to know they are doing the best job they can.

[QUOTE=RedskinRat;1004421]Because they are public servants paid to protect us. I would like to know they are doing the best job they can.[/QUOTE]

Seems they did a fine job to me.

Could things have been done different or better? Sure, easy for those watching from the sidelines to say I guess.

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They got these mere days after the incident.
I'd say thats a good job.
Some of them also died doing the job.
Props to Boston PD and the extended lawmen taking these guys down.

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I am sorry, let me get this straight ... It has been less than seven days since explosions caused death and injury at a popular open air sporting event that attracts people from all over the world and, in that time:

- The explosive devices causing the event were identified in detail;

- Two relatively faceless individuals were correctly identified (again, in detail) out of the thousands in attendance at the marathon and in a city with a population of ~4.5 million in its metropolitan area;

- The two individuals were located amongst those millions of people in an area of ~90 square miles;

- The two individuals were apprehended or killed while clearly armed to the teeth with various weapons capable of inflicting indiscriminate death and destruction; and

- All of this was accomplished [I]with not a single scratch to any civilian[/I] and with only one additional death to law enforcement personnel.

... and we are not holding folks to a "high enough standard"?

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1004422]Seems they did a fine job to me.

Could things have been done different or better? Sure, easy for those watching from the sidelines to say I guess.[/QUOTE]

Hey man anyone could have taking that dude down within minutes.......

Gotta love armchair cops

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[quote=Chico23231;1004415]LOL that is a such a great epic fail. Where can I get my FBI online degree?[/quote]

[url=http://www.reddit.com]reddit: the front page of the internet[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1004426]I am sorry, let me get this straight ... It has been less than seven days since explosions caused death and injury at a popular open air sporting event that attracts people from all over the world and, in that time:

- The explosive devices causing the event were identified in detail;

- Two relatively faceless individuals were correctly identified (again, in detail) out of the thousands in attendance at the marathon and in a city with a population of ~4.5 million in its metropolitan area;

- The two individuals were located amongst those millions of people in an area of ~90 square miles;

- The two individuals were apprehended or killed while clearly armed to the teeth with various weapons capable of inflicting indiscriminate death and destruction; and

- All of this was accomplished [I]with not a single scratch to any civilian[/I] and with only one additional death to law enforcement personnel.

[B]... and we are not holding folks to a "high enough standard"?[/B]

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:[/quote]All I can say is 'wow'. One way or the other if I learned anything this week it's that people will NEVER cease to amaze me.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1004426]I am sorry, let me get this straight ... It has been less than seven days since explosions caused death and injury at a popular open air sporting event that attracts people from all over the world and, in that time:

- The explosive devices causing the event were identified in detail;

- Two relatively faceless individuals were correctly identified (again, in detail) out of the thousands in attendance at the marathon and in a city with a population of ~4.5 million in its metropolitan area;

- The two individuals were located amongst those millions of people in an area of ~90 square miles;

- The two individuals were apprehended or killed while clearly armed to the teeth with various weapons capable of inflicting indiscriminate death and destruction; and

- All of this was accomplished [I]with not a single scratch to any civilian[/I] and with only one additional death to law enforcement personnel.

... and we are not holding folks to a "high enough standard"?

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:[/QUOTE]
I am not usually one on the side of LE, but this was an exceptional job. Not only for the reasons you listed, but even more so for the behind the scenes inter agency cooperation. Every level of LE came together, shared resources, and when needed went to the public for the resources of millions of US citizens. Very high level and commendable work.

I heard one commentator talk about this opening a new page of IEDs in the US. Maybe it does, but if it does, the other thing this did was show that if you want to do that you will forfeit your life. If some lunatic is ready to forfeit their life, this type of attack is almost impossible to stop, but clearly these two, and imo most would be mass murderers. believe they are more clever and won't be caught. This incident makes that self belief just a little harder to have.

The level of reading comprehension on this site is bewildering poor. Go back and read what I said earlier before you condemn me for something you're imagining. I said the kid left a trail of blood etc.

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[quote=cpayne5;1004428][url=http://www.reddit.com]reddit: the front page of the internet[/url][/quote]

:laughing2

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To slightly change the subject, I'm curious to see what the motives were behind these 2. Who are they working for? Etc.

But kudos to the Boston police and FBI for not losing any lives in their pursuit of the second suspect. The whole time I was watching yesterday I was worries that the suspect would blow himself up and cops would lose lives. Nope and nope. It was a success.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1004433]The level of reading comprehension on this site is bewildering poor. [B]Go back and read what I said earlier before you condemn me for something you're imagining.[/B] I said the kid left a trail of blood etc.[/quote]

Fair enough ....

[quote=RedskinRat;1004402]Mkay.....

Here's what we know happened: There was a shootout, the older brother died, the younger got injured, he left a trail of blood, the police failed to follow the bouncing ball.

[B]How is that a damn fine job?[/B][/quote]

... b/c police work is not perfect in the best of circumstances and, as Matty said, they got them. Did they stumble and miss something and then catch a lucky break. Yup. As with most "lucky breaks", however, the police created their own by busting their asses. Had they not done so, the would not have found and wounded him in the first place. It was the gunshot wounds that ultimately led to his capture.

[quote=RedskinRat;1004409]As Law Enforcement have a life/death influence over everyone's life [B]I hold them to a higher standard than, say, a postal worker.[/B][/quote]

I took you out of context. Fair enough. At the same time, I would suggest that a legion of postal workers would not have accomplished what law enforcement did in this case since Monday.

[quote=Mattyk;1004420]Why are we second guessing?? They got them, end of story.[/quote]

[quote=RedskinRat;1004421]Because they are public servants paid to protect us. [B]I would like to know they are doing the best job they can.[/B][/quote]

Less than one week from crime to apprehension of "armed and dangerous" bombers with no civilian casualties in the middle of the 6th most populous metropolitan center in the US. Under any reasonable standard, I am not sure how that is doing anything less than "the best job they can". It seems you are complaining about the lack of perfection. Fine. It wasn't perfect, but it was as damn close to it as I could have imagined less than a week ago.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1004438]Less than one week from crime to apprehension. Not sure how that is not "doing the best job they can". It seems you are complaining about the lack of perfection. Fine. It wasn't perfect, but it was as damn close to it as I could have imagined less than a week ago.[/QUOTE]

Her JR, I am JUST critiquing their abysmal job of containing the younger brother post-shootout. If he was as committed to the cause as the older brother it could have been stupendously ugly.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1004440]Her JR, I am JUST critiquing their abysmal job of containing the younger brother post-shootout. If he was as committed to the cause as the older brother it could have been stupendously ugly.


Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2[/quote]

I hear you, for that one thing, it [I]appears[/I] they did a "bad" job. At the same time:

(1) without knowing more, not sure we can say they missed something blatant; you are assuming he was leaving a blood trail, maybe he didn't immediately, maybe it was in his clothes and not on the ground. I don't know, I wasn't there. Someone more familiar with LE can probably provide at least 5 or 6 reasonable explanations as to why they lost him all of which would be in line with the appropriate level of LE standards of care.

(2) Again, taking that one incident out of context is to demand perfection and, in a situation like this, I just think that to be an unreasonable demand. You disagree, I get it.

You're right. It could have been ugly. It could have been ugly from the get go, but, ultimately, it wasn't and that, to me, is what's important.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1004440]Her JR, I am JUST critiquing their abysmal job of containing the younger brother post-shootout. If he was as committed to the cause as the older brother it could have been stupendously ugly.[/quote]

A few things.

1) I think you are basing this mostly on the trail of blood, but I doubt that there was much of a trail. Yes he was bloody at the end, [U]but[/U] had he been bleeding bad enough to leave a long obvious trail he would not have lived through the day.

2) the main focus was the house to house to make sure that he hadn't taken any hostages or created a death trap environment somewhere. An injured weak man in a boat was not as much of a threat, even if he had an suicide vest on.

3) They also contained him to Boston early on by stopping all transit exits.

Their goal may have been to get the guy, but first off was to avoid civilian casualties, and proceed in a methodical approach, eliminating chances for a bad ending.

Again, a weak, even suicidal man in a boat is a far less dangerous situation than a wounded man with just a gun in a household with 3 or 4 hostages.

I am sure they will do an after action review, and maybe decide that the search grid was to small originally, but I doubt there was a bloody trail that led right to where he was hiding. Dogs would have found that quickly and easily.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1004426]I am sorry, let me get this straight ... It has been less than seven days since explosions caused death and injury at a popular open air sporting event that attracts people from all over the world and, in that time:

- The explosive devices causing the event were identified in detail;

- Two relatively faceless individuals were correctly identified (again, in detail) out of the thousands in attendance at the marathon and in a city with a population of ~4.5 million in its metropolitan area;

- The two individuals were located amongst those millions of people in an area of ~90 square miles;

- The two individuals were apprehended or killed while clearly armed to the teeth with various weapons capable of inflicting indiscriminate death and destruction; and

- All of this was accomplished [I]with not a single scratch to any civilian[/I] and with only one additional death to law enforcement personnel.

... and we are not holding folks to a "high enough standard"?

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:[/quote]

Well said. I would add that it took only about 48 hrs. to nab the ricin letters guy. It was a week during which law enforcement looked very good.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1004445]A few things.

1) I think you are basing this mostly on the trail of blood, but I doubt that there was much of a trail. Yes he was bloody at the end, [U]but[/U] had he been bleeding bad enough to leave a long obvious trail he would not have lived through the day.

2) the main focus was the house to house to make sure that he hadn't taken any hostages or created a death trap environment somewhere. An injured weak man in a boat was not as much of a threat, even if he had an suicide vest on.

3) They also contained him to Boston early on by stopping all transit exits.

There goal may have been to get the guy, but first off was to avoid civilian casualties, and proceed in a methodical approach, eliminating chances for a bad ending.

Again, a weak, even suicidal man in a boat is a far less dangerous situation than a wounded man with just a gun in a household with 3 or 4 hostages.

I am sure they will do an after action review, and maybe decide that the search grid was to small originally, but I doubt there was a bloody trail that led right to where he was hiding. Dogs would have found that quickly and easily.[/quote]

Extremely well stated.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1004377][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oijoJOz.png[/IMG]


There are many people I wouldn't mind if a bus hit them. Donald Trump is one of them. Classless as hell.[/quote]


Well said, you and Mattyk both!

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[quote=Mattyk;1004420]Why are we second guessing?? They got them, end of story.[/quote]

I'm not second guessing them, but I am calling bullshit on them if they want to claim they knew where he was for 2 hours, yet waited till the guy walked out back and called 911 to move in.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1004454]I'm not second guessing them, but I am calling bullshit on them if they want to claim they knew where he was for 2 hours, yet waited till the guy walked out back and called 911 to move in.[/QUOTE]

Apparently we're not allowed to, we just have to appreciate the wonderful job they did. Sheeple amuse me.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1004455]Apparently we're not allowed to, we just have to appreciate the wonderful job they did. Sheeple amuse me.[/quote]

Well, things happen in the heat of the moment, and things are often overlooked. I don't have that much issue with them overlooking the boat. I just don't liked to be told it's raining if you are pissing on me. Also, don't take credit for something this civilian did. I guess it would make them look bad (in their eyes) if they had hundreds and hundreds of LE agents, yet it was a simple guy smoking in his backyard that found him.

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If that dudes wife had allowed him to smoke in the house the perp would have bled out in his boat and we would not have found this guy until flounder season started.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1004454]I'm not second guessing them, but I am calling bullshit on them if they want to claim they knew where he was for 2 hours, yet waited till the guy walked out back and called 911 to move in.[/QUOTE]

That is a little suspicious but who knows

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Reddit may not have solved the case, but at least they fed the guys who did.

Boston PD stops by and thanks them. Love their sense of humor with the "Murica" in the username.

[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/boston/comments/1cqw28/thank_you_for_the_pizzas_reddit_from_bpd/]Thank you for the pizzas REDDIT, from BPD. : boston[/url]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/HEhntrM.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SFl8I1w.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=RedskinRat;1004455]Apparently we're not allowed to, we just have to appreciate the wonderful job they did. Sheeple amuse me.[/QUOTE]

Next time there's a national emergency we'll call on you to lead the way. We'll expect nothing but flawless execution and perfection.

Armchair QB's amuse me especially in the wake of a victorious moment.

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Didnt know the Assumptions Room was gonna be used in both Boston Marathon threads. amazing.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1004464]Next time there's a national emergency we'll call on you to lead the way. We'll expect nothing but flawless execution and perfection. [/QUOTE]

As long as everyone does what they are told it will be magnificent.

Are you suggesting, Matty, that we should blindly laud everything that LE does, including their blatant ****-ups?

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/czechs-were-not-chechens-132405023.html;_ylt=AvzQM1g1u1bZaPa7uVpW8EJvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTNyMzVhcnJjBG1pdANUb3BTdG9yeSBXb3JsZFNGBHBrZwNiNjA3YzMzNy1lNThlLTM2ZWQtODc3MC03YWQzMjU5MDU0MGQEcG9zAzE1BHNlYwN0b3Bfc3RvcnkEdmVyA2M3YWI5NGMwLWE5YmQtMTFlMi1iZmZkLWMyZGVmMGY5ZGY2ZA--;_ylg=X3oDMTFqOTI2ZDZmBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZARwdANzZWN0aW9ucw--;_ylv=3]Czechs: we're not Chechens[/url]

[quote]Mirca Sekerova recommends Americans "open a geography book once in a while...stop blaming our country for this."

And Petr Manda commented: "Well done, U.S. education system."[/quote]



:laughing2

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[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/inside-the-investigation-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/2013/04/20/19d8c322-a8ff-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html?hpid=z1"]Hero of the Boston bombing:[/URL]

[I]While the analysts combed through videos frame by frame, a more traditional tip was developing two miles away at Boston Medical Center. Jeffrey Bauman, groggy from anesthesia, his legs just removed at the knee, managed to eke out a request for pen and paper.

In the intensive-care ward, Bauman, who had been near the finish line to see his girlfriend complete Monday’s race, wrote words that would help lead to quick resolution of the bombing that killed three and injured 176 others: “Bag. Saw the guy, looked right at me.”

FBI agents quickly came to Bauman’s bedside. A man in sunglasses and black baseball cap had walked right up to him, placed a black backpack on the ground and stepped away, Bauman remembered.

His tip became a critical lead, according to law enforcement officials.[/I]

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[quote=RedskinRat;1004507][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/inside-the-investigation-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/2013/04/20/19d8c322-a8ff-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html?hpid=z1"]Hero of the Boston bombing:[/URL]

[I]While the analysts combed through videos frame by frame, a more traditional tip was developing two miles away at Boston Medical Center. Jeffrey Bauman, groggy from anesthesia, his legs just removed at the knee, managed to eke out a request for pen and paper.

In the intensive-care ward, Bauman, who had been near the finish line to see his girlfriend complete Monday’s race, wrote words that would help lead to quick resolution of the bombing that killed three and injured 176 others: “Bag. Saw the guy, looked right at me.”

FBI agents quickly came to Bauman’s bedside. A man in sunglasses and black baseball cap had walked right up to him, placed a black backpack on the ground and stepped away, Bauman remembered.

His tip became a critical lead, according to law enforcement officials.[/I][/quote]

Amazing.

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[B][SIZE="4"]Boston Bomber as seen by various websites/news outlets[/SIZE][/B]


[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIYJ4ksCEAAII8K.png:large[/IMG]

This about covers it. :laughing-

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[quote=NC_Skins;1004544][B][SIZE="4"]Boston Bomber as seen by various websites/news outlets[/SIZE][/B]

(snip very funny pic NCS found)

This about covers it. :laughing-[/quote]IMO, MSNBC should have the one with the guns, the way they headlined "200 ROUNDS FIRED IN CHASE" at one point during the story. Still very funny and good find, NCS!

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Can someone explain to me why we the guys in a hospital? i mean, what happened to the good ole days when the cops would just let a murderer bleed out.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1004664]Can someone explain to me why we the guys in a hospital? i mean, what happened to the good ole days when the cops would just let a murderer bleed out.[/quote]

Because we still do not know what connections these idiots may have.
You let him die and you lose all that intel.
Some may think that these are just two stupid kids acting alone but we dont know that yet.