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Here are some interesting thoughts from Rich Tandler today on his realredskins.com site:

"Here are five players widely projected to be taken late in the first round that the Redskins should hope slip to them:

DE Dee Ford, Auburn—Let’s face facts; it will be nearly impossible for the Redskins to sign both Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan to long term deals. One or both will be gone by 2016. A defense based on an aggressive pass rush needs, well, pass rushers. Ford, who had 8.5 sacks for Auburn last year and could do better lined up at outside linebacker where he can utilize his athletic ability to elude blockers.

ILB C. J. Mosley, Alabama—He’s mocked as high as 14th to the Bears and as low as out of the first round. The Redskins could search for a long time for someone to replace London Fletcher at inside linebacker. Or perhaps Mosley, the leader of the Crimson Tide’s tough defense, could fall into their laps.

FS Calvin Pryor, Louisville—Right now he appears to be top-20 material but his physical nature could scare off some teams in search of a safety but in fear of drawing too many personal-foul flags. The Redskins, of course, have a perpetual need at safety and might be willing to risk some laundry on the field to get the problem solved.

CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State—It seems that Dennard is more likely to be taken closer to the top 10 than the second round but some have him going in the late 20’s so a further slide is possible. He could be good enough to shake up the depth chart in the whole secondary.

CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech—Fuller has gone from being a popular pick for the Redskins at 34 to someone who could be gone somewhere in the 20’s. Is his rise a result of media hype or is he actually moving up draft boards? He also could shake up the secondary depth chart."

[I]Any thoughts on these guys from the Peanut Gallery?[/I]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1069009]Though if I had to put money on it I'd say the Redskins select Cameron Fleming [OT Stanford]. Aside from the rumors linking him to the team, [B]he's the type of player that has a lot of the characteristics they're looking for, especially physically, but he's not so hot a commodity that they actually might have the option to trade down and still get him. I feel like all things being equal the current front office tries to trade down whenever possible, save of course of the RG3 trade.[/B][/url][/quote]

I respectfully disagree with you on two of your points.

First, we don't know if this FO will try to trade down whenever possible. Shanahan ran the entire show for the last four years. I highly doubt that Bruce made the decisions to trade down. I certainly hope he didn't because most of those trades netted us nothing.

Second, if the Redskins' think that Fleming could become the starter at RT, then it would make no sense to me to trade down and risk losing him if he is there at #34. IMO, finding a RT who can better help to protect RGIII than Polombus has done should be the top priority of this draft.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1069028]Here are some interesting thoughts from Rich Tandler today on his realredskins.com site:

"Here are five players widely projected to be taken late in the first round that the Redskins should hope slip to them:

DE Dee Ford, Auburn—Let’s face facts; it will be nearly impossible for the Redskins to sign both Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan to long term deals. One or both will be gone by 2016. A defense based on an aggressive pass rush needs, well, pass rushers. Ford, who had 8.5 sacks for Auburn last year and could do better lined up at outside linebacker where he can utilize his athletic ability to elude blockers.

ILB C. J. Mosley, Alabama—He’s mocked as high as 14th to the Bears and as low as out of the first round. The Redskins could search for a long time for someone to replace London Fletcher at inside linebacker. Or perhaps Mosley, the leader of the Crimson Tide’s tough defense, could fall into their laps.

FS Calvin Pryor, Louisville—Right now he appears to be top-20 material but his physical nature could scare off some teams in search of a safety but in fear of drawing too many personal-foul flags. The Redskins, of course, have a perpetual need at safety and might be willing to risk some laundry on the field to get the problem solved.

CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State—It seems that Dennard is more likely to be taken closer to the top 10 than the second round but some have him going in the late 20’s so a further slide is possible. He could be good enough to shake up the depth chart in the whole secondary.

CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech—Fuller has gone from being a popular pick for the Redskins at 34 to someone who could be gone somewhere in the 20’s. Is his rise a result of media hype or is he actually moving up draft boards? He also could shake up the secondary depth chart."

[I]Any thoughts on these guys from the Peanut Gallery?[/I][/quote]

Id take any of those guys. I like Fuller alot, but Dennard to me, is much better CB. Fuller is a zone guy.

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[quote=Lotus;1068992]What if DE Ra'Shede Hageman fell to 34? Should we take the big fella?

Or, more unlikely, what if NT Louis Nix fell to 34? Should we take the big blob?[/quote]

Yes, yes, and I would take Tuitt as well.

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1069031]I respectfully disagree with you on two of your points.



First, we don't know if this FO will try to trade down whenever possible. Shanahan ran the entire show for the last four years. I highly doubt that Bruce made the decisions to trade down. I certainly hope he didn't because most of those trades netted us nothing.



Second, if the Redskins' think that Fleming could become the starter at RT, then it would make no sense to me to trade down and risk losing him if he is there at #34. IMO, finding a RT who can better help to protect RGIII than Polombus has done should be the top priority of this draft.[/QUOTE]


I remember hearing that BA was all about trading down and getting more picks. Either way I am not a fan of it. First of all Id rather have a great/good player than two good/decent ones. Secondly its hard enough to hit on one player but now you are having to hit on two. I guess if there are two guys you are high on and you are able to trade down and still get them thats one thing. Nobody is a sure thing but I just hope if they trade down it doesnt involve sacrificing someone you would take if you could just for "more" picks.

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[quote=punch it in;1069072]I remember hearing that BA was all about trading down and getting more picks.[/quote]

I didn't know that. Well, I guess Dirtbag was right. My apologies, DB.

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if anyone from the first round falls to us, regardless of who it is, we'd be silly not to give them carefully consideration. especially if it's an OT or defensive player.

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Remind me to kick Roger Godell's ass for pushing the draft back two weeks.

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Do we know of anymore prospects visits lined up this week or next?

Kinda hope we take a good look at safety Jimmie Ward.

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From what Redskins insiders like Chris Russell are saying and putting that together with their pre-draft visits, it looks like the Redskins are targeting a pass rusher with the 34th pick.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1069200]From what Redskins insiders like Chris Russell are saying and putting that together with their pre-draft visits, it looks like the Redskins are targeting a pass rusher with the 34th pick.[/quote]

I think they know if Orakpo has a great year he will be hard to sign. Then a year later Kerrigan will want a big contract.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1069207]I think they know if Orakpo has a great year he will be hard to sign. Then a year later Kerrigan will want a big contract.[/quote]

Im glad we are thinking down the road, but amazes me we dont take that same strategy with the Secondary or O-Line.

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If we do draft a pass rusher at #34, it will be obvious the plan this year is to go balls out getting after the QB and trying to get by with an average at best back end. I say hell why not? Other teams have done pretty well with that approach.

You can fix everything over night, but loading up on the pass rush is an easy fix to a lot of problems.

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[quote=Mattyk;1069209]If we do draft a pass rusher at #34, it will be obvious the plan this year is to go balls out getting after the QB and trying to get by with an average at best back end. I say hell why not? Other teams have done pretty well with that approach.

You can fix everything over night, but loading up on the pass rush is an easy fix to a lot of problems.[/quote]


I don't understand why so many think that if we take a pass rusher at 34, that spells the end for Orakpo, as the Giants, Panthers, and Seahawks have shown, you can never have too many pass rushers. Plus pass rusher doesnt have to be an OLB

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Generally speaking, I don't think you find many impact pass rushers at the top of the 2nd round. Personally I doubt we go in that direction there.

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I don't mind getting a pass rusher at 34, but it shouldn't be at the expense of foregoing the draft board. In order words- yeah take a pass rusher if he's best player available.

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... But the problem becomes- how do you compare players at different positions?

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Thats why you have a draft board.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1069242]I don't mind getting a pass rusher at 34, but it shouldn't be at the expense of foregoing the draft board. In order words- yeah take a pass rusher if he's best player available.[/quote]

Thats how Im reading it. Skins shouldnt reach just to grab oline or secondary. If a pass rusher grades out head and shoulders over a Tackle, by all means take them. If we do grab a OLB, I think it does spell the end for Orakpo. There is alot of differing opinions in the FO on Rak and his abilities, Skins could have easily signed him if they felt he was the future.

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Just thinking about it- staying true to a draft board isn't as simple as it sounds. What if you're the Redskins and bpa is a wr on your draft board (by a wide margin) in both the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Do you stay true to your board no matter what?

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Attaochu could help the rush from OLB. Hageman or Tuitt could help from DE. Louis Nix at NT likely would not help with the pass rush on his own too much but he would allow us to move Cofield to the 5 technique, which would help the pass rush.

Any or all of these players may be there at #34.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/24/draft-delay-not-good-for-the-nfl/]Draft delay not good for the NFL | ProFootballTalk[/url]

agree

Goodell is a freakin idiot for this and his lame excuse to move it was redic. douche

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[quote=Chico23231;1069259][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/24/draft-delay-not-good-for-the-nfl/]Draft delay not good for the NFL | ProFootballTalk[/url]

agree

Goodell is a freakin idiot for this and his lame excuse to move it was redic. douche[/quote]

Goodel thinks he is so smart

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[quote=Chico23231;1069259][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/24/draft-delay-not-good-for-the-nfl/]Draft delay not good for the NFL | ProFootballTalk[/url]

agree

Goodell is a freakin idiot for this and his lame excuse to move it was redic. douche[/quote]

It's a sad sort of give and take. The Antitrust exemption makes it practical to help assure the best players are all in the same league, with the same rules, etc. However a decent amount of the decisions the NFL makes come across as quite tonedeaf. Others seem like they're intent on abusing their Antitrust exemption with things like Sunday Ticket only being available on DirectTV while EA Sports makes the only NFL game.

Goodell's response, well we run a bunch of games nationally. Yes, Roger but if I want to watch the Skins out of market I either have to go to a bar or pony up for Direct TV to watch it in a way the NFL would approve.

When they do things like that then go hard after "pirated broadcast" it really ticks me off, as theres a good reason people are seeking out the pirated streams in the first place. And ironically enough its not because people aren't willing to pay.

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Haslett is working on borrowed time, should be gone this year.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/25/goodell-says-future-timing-of-draft-hasnt-been-decided/]Goodell says future timing of draft hasn’t been decided | ProFootballTalk[/url]

He wants this to go to 4 days too?

Goodell needs to move this thing back to the original date. Is there way to petition the White House or something about this issue?

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[quote=Chico23231;1069328][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/25/goodell-says-future-timing-of-draft-hasnt-been-decided/]Goodell says future timing of draft hasn’t been decided | ProFootballTalk[/url]

He wants this to go to 4 days too?

Goodell needs to move this thing back to the original date. Is there way to petition the White House or something about this issue?[/quote]

I'd be surprised if it goes 4 days, not surprised if it stays in May

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[quote=Lotus;1069256]Attaochu could help the rush from OLB. Hageman or Tuitt could help from DE. Louis Nix at NT likely would not help with the pass rush on his own too much but he would allow us to move Cofield to the 5 technique, which would help the pass rush.

Any or all of these players may be there at #34.[/quote]

Why is everyone so high on Hageman ? he looks like Tarzan, and plays like Jane.......... the guy had 2 sacks

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[quote=Irrefutable;1069334]Why is everyone so high on Hageman ? he looks like Tarzan, and plays like Jane.......... the guy had 2 sacks[/quote]

As much as I love stats, you've gotta learn to look past them a lot of times. Hageman is a physical beast, and the potential he shows is easily enough to get him inside the 1st round. A project player, but there's nothing wrong with that except that we kind of need a guy who can contribute immediately. Can't see Hageman starting Year 1.

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[quote=Chico23231;1069328][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/25/goodell-says-future-timing-of-draft-hasnt-been-decided/]Goodell says future timing of draft hasn’t been decided | ProFootballTalk[/url]

He wants this to go to 4 days too?

Goodell needs to move this thing back to the original date. Is there way to petition the White House or something about this issue?[/quote]

You can write a polite but impassioned letter to the Commish (and maybe Snyder, too).

4 day draft? Snore. And this May shit sucks. Move it back to April.

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[quote=Mattyk;1069345]4 day draft? Snore. And this May shit sucks. Move it back to April.[/quote]

I'm fine with it in May, but make it the first weekend

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Yeah I liked when it was just on Sat and Sundays.

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I miss the all day Saturday draft fiasco.

How are Daseal and I going to spread a handle of Fireball out?!

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Four days would suck.
Gimme back Saturday any time.

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[quote=Mattyk;1069345]4 day draft? Snore. And this May shit sucks. Move it back to April.[/quote]

Tell it like it is, brother man! Draft in April. Make it two action packed days by cutting down the time on the clock. And no damn hugging 'cause this ain't Project Runway.

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Going back to getting a pass rusher with the 34th pick - wouldn't failing to upgrade the secondary with young talent, negate what the pass rusher would bring if the secondary can't cover the quick passes? It's like the adjustment that Green Bay made last season when Orakpo was getting pressure and sacks early on Aaron Rodgers.

If there's confidence in the secondary with the additions of Ryan Clark and Porter then it's justified (getting a pass rusher), but right now I don't think that's the case.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1069350]Yeah I liked when it was just on Sat and Sundays.[/quote]

I was fine with that back in college but now as a hardcore night owl on weekends the afternoon times are a life saver. Coincidently not a fan of the timing for Night Games as there are times where you have to weigh a good nights rest with watching the rest of the game.

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To me, Ryan Clark and Tracy Porter were good signings assuming that one or both positions were going to be targeted and addressed as a priority in the draft. And I would think that (secondary) would be ranked as top 2 needs and priorities (with Right Tackle/ Offensive Line being the other). The Redskins insiders are reporting that the top priority is to add a pash rusher.

What has been the biggest weakness for the entire team for at least 2 seasons? the secondary. And why not fix the secondary directly rather than indirectly? This is one of the things that doesn't make sense to me. Like I said I don't oppose picking a pash rusher at 34, but making that a top priority to address - as a plan? It doesn't make sense.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1069379]Going back to getting a pass rusher with the 34th pick - wouldn't failing to upgrade the secondary with young talent, negate what the pass rusher would bring if the secondary can't cover the quick passes? It's like the adjustment that Green Bay made last season when Orakpo was getting pressure and sacks early on Aaron Rodgers.

If there's confidence in the secondary with the additions of Ryan Clark and Porter then it's justified (getting a pass rusher), but right now I don't think that's the case.[/quote]

The adjustment that Green Bay made worked because we didnt adjust with it. We kept our DB's back giving those passes up. Anyone could have completed those passes with the lack of defense adjustment, throw in that it was Aaron Rodgers, and that spells serious trouble.

If what people were saying about Shanny medling with the defense and dictating playing soft in the secondary, there would be the problem. If it wasnt Shanny, then keeping Haslett was a mistake. It was a simple adjustment to make, we just never made it. Hard to fault the secondary for everything if they are being put in positions to fail and being asked to succeed anyways. Not saying we have a great secondary by any means, but adjusting to simple things like that is the difference between average and terrible.