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^ That article is a damned lie.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1070199][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/06/nobodys-calling-the-redskins-about-kirk-cousins/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs]Nobody’s calling the Redskins about Kirk Cousins | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

False

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In the article comment:

[I]Kirk Cousins is below average. The only time her did something noteworthy, was that time he had one solid drive against the Ravens two years ago.
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Would have to totally agree with that.

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[quote=mredskins;1070203]In the article comment:

[I]Kirk Cousins is below average. The only time her did something noteworthy, was that time he had one solid drive against the Ravens two years ago.
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Would have to totally agree with that.[/quote]

Actually two plays, RG3 led that drive on one leg. Cousins threw the TD and ran the two point conversion.

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[quote=mredskins;1070203]In the article comment:

[I]Kirk Cousins is below average. The only time her did something noteworthy, was that time he had one solid drive against the Ravens two years ago.
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Would have to totally agree with that.[/quote]

Well, there was also the win against Cleveland in 2012 that he started. Didn't play too bad either.

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[quote=SirLK26;1070206]Well, there was also the win against Cleveland in 2012 that he started. Didn't play too bad either.[/quote]

That's true, but that's about it: a drive against the Ravens and a game against the Browns. The rest of the time he's been middling or hide-your-eyes bad.

Cousins is an ok NFL QB and that's all.

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[quote=SirLK26;1070206]Well, there was also the win against Cleveland in 2012 that he started. Didn't play too bad either.[/quote]

Nope, doesn't count. It's Cleveland man.

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[quote=Lotus;1070211]Cousins is an ok NFL QB and that's all.[/quote]

Yup, pretty much.

While I do think he has a bit more talent than what he's showed here, I don't think he'll ever be more than a great backup/stopgap NFL starter.

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[quote=mooby;1070212]Nope, doesn't count. It's Cleveland man.[/quote]

Isn't that where our backup Colt McCoy came from?
In Cleveland, Colt McCoy lost his starting job to Brandon Weeden, then lost the back up QB role to Jason Campbell. What does that say about Colt?

I don't think Cousins has had enough of a look to really gauge what type of player he is or more importantly what he can be. His results so far are about what you can expect from a young QB with a handful of starts over 2 seasons.

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[quote=mredskins;1070203]In the article comment:

[I]Kirk Cousins is below average. The only time her did something noteworthy, was that time he had one solid drive against the Ravens two years ago.
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Would have to totally agree with that.[/quote]

He had a monster game in Cleveland. On the road too continue a run to the playoffs? That's the one people were drooling over. Cleveland's fans were saying our 4th round qb was better than their first round qb weeden.

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if you look back at that cleveland game, it really wasn't very monstrous. 2 tds 1 int 330 yards. nothing special.

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I'm not sure there's anyone left at RP that stands on the table for Kirk. Colt, on the other hand

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[quote=That Guy;1070219]if you look back at that cleveland game, it really wasn't very monstrous. 2 tds 1 int 330 yards. nothing special.[/quote]

first career start? completed over 70% of his passes on the road? 104 rating for the game? come'on that's pretty solid effort

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1070222]first career start? completed over 70% of his passes on the road? 104 rating for the game? come'on that's pretty solid effort[/QUOTE]


It was definitely very solid. Funny how some are sweeping it under the rug like it didn't happen now.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1070220]I'm not sure there's anyone left at RP that stands on the table for Kirk. Colt, on the other hand[/QUOTE]


New staff (mostly), to be expected I guess. Is Gruden the big fan of Colt specifically? I don't get it myself but I'll keep an open mind.

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[quote=Defensewins;1070214]Isn't that where our backup Colt McCoy came from?
In Cleveland, Colt McCoy lost his starting job to Brandon Weeden, then lost the back up QB role to Jason Campbell. What does that say about Colt?[/quote]

That Cleveland sucks? My above post was sarcasm, my bad if you thought I was serious.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1070220]I'm not sure there's anyone left at RP that stands on the table for Kirk. Colt, on the other hand[/quote]

Kirk has the Shanastank and it won't wash off.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1070220]I'm not sure there's anyone left at RP that stands on the table for Kirk. Colt, on the other hand[/quote]

What in the hell does anyone over there see in McCoy? Baffling to me.

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[quote=Mattyk;1070224]New staff (mostly), to be expected I guess. Is Gruden the big fan of Colt specifically? I don't get it myself but I'll keep an open mind.[/quote]

And Allen too apparently. I don't even really know what it is. I think he's a guy most coaches like to have on the team, but few would ever want actually playing

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[quote=That Guy;1070219]if you look back at that cleveland game, it really wasn't very monstrous. 2 tds 1 int 330 yards. nothing special.[/quote]

Yeah, nothing special for a rookie making his first NFL start on the road.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1070240]Yeah, nothing special for a rookie making his first NFL start on the road.[/quote]

patrick ramsey had 2tds, and 270 yards against tennesse on the road. how'd that work out?

or jason campbells 2 TD and 93 rating in his first showing, again, future HoFer, right?

1 okay game against a terrible team is just that, an okay game. he didn't throw for 400 or 5 tds or whatever. he was fine. want to talk about last year's 52% completion rating? wouldn't that be more indicative than his first game when no one had tape on him?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1070240]Yeah, nothing special for a rookie making his first NFL start on the road.[/quote]

KC is an average backup qb. If he were the starter people would be clamoring to draft a new one.
Nobody is going to trade for him, he's not worth the 4th rounder the skins gave up.

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Looks like the Captain Kirk bandwagon has cleared out. Not that I'm a huge fan of him myself after the way he played last year, but can anyone tell what the chances are that we get either a 4th rounder or higher, or alternately an impact player, in a trade for him? It sounds like right now we'd be lucky if someone gave up a 5th rounder for him.

[QUOTE=mooby;1070280]Looks like the Captain Kirk bandwagon has cleared out. Not that I'm a huge fan of him myself after the way he played last year, but can anyone tell what the chances are that we get either a 4th rounder or higher, or alternately an impact player, in a trade for him? It sounds like right now we'd be lucky if someone gave up a 5th rounder for him.[/QUOTE]


Imo that is what he is worth, but i sure hope some GM is higher on him than i am. I have zero problem with him being our backup. I will say that I think almost any qb would have looked like crap in that circus sideshow of a team last year, especially one coming in off the bench into a defeated heartless team with one career start under his belt.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1070189]Yeah he did but Collins had also been in the offense longer too. I honestly feel bad for JC. I mean the guy had to learn a new offense every year his entire career, never had the opportunity to learn and grow with one coach. Not saying he ever would have been a top QB, but he had ZERO chance here. Anyhow, always liked JC. Seems like a real good dude who never openly said anything bad about the organization when he certainly could have. Just a class act.[/quote]A new offense every year? Didn't Campbell have the Al Saunders/Joe Gibbs offense for two years (2006-7), and Jim Zorn two years (2008-9)?

Zero chance? Weren't the Redskins a playoff capable team in 2007 (when Collins stepped in), and a team that ran the ball down opponents throat in 2008, until teams saw they could stack the box against us?

[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1070287]A new offense every year? Didn't Campbell have the Al Saunders/Joe Gibbs offense for two years (2006-7), and Jim Zorn two years (2008-9)?



Zero chance? Weren't the Redskins a playoff capable team in 2007 (when Collins stepped in), and a team that ran the ball down opponents throat in 2008, until teams saw they could stack the box against us?[/QUOTE]


I seem to remember JC always learning a new offense. Didnt he go through that at Auburn too?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1070287]A new offense every year? Didn't Campbell have the Al Saunders/Joe Gibbs offense for two years (2006-7), and Jim Zorn two years (2008-9)?

Zero chance? Weren't the Redskins a playoff capable team in 2007 (when Collins stepped in), and a team that ran the ball down opponents throat in 2008, until teams saw they could stack the box against us?[/quote]

Gibbs and Saunders did not really have the same offense.

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[quote=That Guy;1070270]patrick ramsey had 2tds, and 270 yards against tennesse on the road. how'd that work out?

or jason campbells 2 TD and 93 rating in his first showing, again, future HoFer, right?

1 okay game against a terrible team is just that, an okay game. he didn't throw for 400 or 5 tds or whatever. he was fine. want to talk about last year's 52% completion rating? wouldn't that be more indicative than his first game when no one had tape on him?[/quote]

To me it's impossible for anyone to judge a guy off of 4 starts. He's done a lot of good things in those starts. Actually he almost had 400 against Atl. But he's shown a quick release, good footwork, and good deep ball. He's also done some things ( throw late and behind) that I would expect from a young QB. I do think the organization (and the fans) are assuming Griffin is going to be a great QB. I'm just not sold on that yet.

1. Griffin needs to show he can protect himself and stop playing reckless.
2. Show he can run a pro offense and stop doing the back peddle when his first read is covered
3. Show that his knees can hold up for a full season

If Cousins is traded, which I would expect to happen, then McCoy is the back-up. That's not good enough for a team that has high expectations.

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So, would learning a new offense be a valid excuse for RGIII, according to you guys, if he doesn't perform well this season? My guess is "No".

My recollection of JC was that he could look good at times between the 20's but he was not good in the Red Zone or in converting third down plays.

I don't understand why this argument about JC goes on and on. There ought to be a statute of limitations on it. If the guy could play, wouldn't he be a starter somewhere by now? Again, he is a Coach Killer.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1070315]To me it's impossible for anyone to judge a guy off of 4 starts. He's done a lot of good things in those starts. Actually he almost had 400 against Atl. But he's shown a quick release, good footwork, and good deep ball. He's also done some things ( throw late and behind) that I would expect from a young QB. I do think the organization (and the fans) are assuming Griffin is going to be a great QB. I'm just not sold on that yet.

1. Griffin needs to show he can protect himself and stop playing reckless.
2. Show he can run a pro offense and stop doing the back peddle when his first read is covered
3. Show that his knees can hold up for a full season

If Cousins is traded, which I would expect to happen, then McCoy is the back-up. That's not good enough for a team that has high expectations.[/quote]

Don't all teams have high expectations?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1070316]So, would learning a new offense be a valid excuse for RGIII, according to you guys, if he doesn't perform well this season? My guess is "No".

My recollection of JC was that he could look good at times between the 20's but he was not good in the Red Zone or in converting third down plays.

I don't understand why this argument about JC goes on and on. There ought to be a statute of limitations on it. If the guy could play, wouldn't he be a starter somewhere by now? Again, he is a Coach Killer.[/quote]

Agreed, Campbell is no starter. Gibb's reached big time when we drafted him.
He's a total spaz in the pocket.

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At this point I don't see a huge difference in Cousins vs McCoy.

If either have them have to play for an extended amount of time, chances are we're in trouble. As most teams are when your starter goes down for more than a game or two.

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[quote=Mattyk;1070320]At this point I don't see a huge difference in Cousins vs McCoy.

If either have them have to play for an extended amount of time, chances are we're in trouble. As most teams are when your starter goes down for more than a game or two.[/quote]


Exactly, a backup is just that. Most teams put their stock into the starter. It's a luxury to have 2 starting quality qbs, and if you have 2 good qbs you can usually trade one for early draft picks. Which is not the case with KC.

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[quote=whistler;1070322]Exactly, a backup is just that. Most teams put their stock into the starter. It's a luxury to have 2 starting quality qbs, and if you have 2 good qbs you can usually trade one for early draft picks. Which is not the case with KC.[/quote]

really, didn't the Redskins win a Superbowl with a backup QB ?

Sonny Jurgensen was a backup, Theismann was 3rd string.....the Redskins have had plenty of good back up QBs.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1070316][B]So, would learning a new offense be a valid excuse for RGIII, according to you guys, if he doesn't perform well this season? My guess is "No".[/B]

My recollection of JC was that he could look good at times between the 20's but he was not good in the Red Zone or in converting third down plays.

I don't understand why this argument about JC goes on and on. There ought to be a statute of limitations on it. If the guy could play, wouldn't he be a starter somewhere by now? Again, he is a Coach Killer.[/quote]


I expect a learning curve. I'm going to assume that Gruden will run plays from Shanahan's offense, just different terminology.

As far as Griffin goes, we have to all be patient. I don't think his instincts are to sit in the pocket and let things develop. He's going to have to learn and get comfortable with the offense.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1070318]Don't all teams have high expectations?[/quote]

True, I think the pressure here to win is higher than a lot of other markets because of the fans base, media and owner.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070323]really, didn't the Redskins win a Superbowl with a backup QB ?

Sonny Jurgensen was a backup, Theismann was 3rd string.....the Redskins have had plenty of good back up QBs.[/quote]

Jurgensen didn't win the Super Bowl. He arguably also wasn't the backup in '72 - he got hurt and Kilmer took over.

Thiesmann was the unquestioned starter when we won the SB with him.
Rypien was the unquestioned starter when we won the SB.
Whether Williams or Schroeder was the backup when we won the SB in '87 is open to debate.

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[quote=Lotus;1070327]Jurgensen didn't win the Super Bowl. He arguably also wasn't the backup in '72 - he got hurt and Kilmer took over.

Thiesmann was the unquestioned starter when we won the SB with him.
Rypien was the unquestioned starter when we won the SB.
Whether Williams or Schroeder was the backup when we won the SB in '87 is open to debate.[/quote]

you prove my point, the Redskins have had success with backup QBs

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[quote=Irrefutable;1070330]you prove my point, the Redskins have had success with backup QBs[/quote]

Backups who became starters. Plus all of those guys were in the pre-free agency era. Different times.