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the nfl.com photo gallery for the game has some good pics you all may enjoy :)
[url=http://www.nfl.com/photos/0ap3000000379606/0ap3000000379758]NFL.com Photos - Browns Redskins Football - Ryan Kerrigan, Johnny Manziel[/url]

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[QUOTE=Skins4L;1078087]how did Luavo do? I didn't like that as a "fix" there was no okay now were set moment for me there.[/QUOTE]


Solid nothing spectacular. Overall an upgrade though with Kory a better fit at center.

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[quote=Skins4L;1078087]how did Luavo do? I didn't like that as a "fix" there was no okay now were set moment for me there.[/quote]

I thought he played fine.

Not too concerned about the goal stance, thought we got in on 4th. We ran 3 vanilla runs in a row, don't expect the same during the season in the same situation. Plus Cleveland has respectable beef along the front dline unlike the giants, cowgurls and eagles.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1078053]After watching the Browns game, I am concerned that RGIII might never "get it" and learn to protect himself on the run. As of today, unless this behavior of his changes, I expect him to be injured again this season while running and failing to get out of bounds or to slide in time to avoid a hit.



I'm sure that Robert understands the need to fix this problem on an intellectual level. But I suspect that what he does now is deeply ingrained in him and it has only become a behavioral problem now that he is in the NFL where he is competing against better athletes than he faced in college. Nevertheless, his behavior needs to change immediately if there is to be any hope of his playing a full season.



The Redskins coaching staff has failed to communicate to Robert the importance of protecting himself. Verbal communication hasn't worked. So now I think the staff needs to address this problem by replacing his current behavior with another learned behavior. To be specific, I think they should create special drills for him to practice exactly when to get out of bounds and when and how to slide. They should make him practice this over and over and correct him whenever he fails to adequately protect himself or slide properly during a drill. This needs to be a high priority and the staff needs to keep doing these drills until his behavior changes.



I'm serious about this. It is a major issue for Robert, this team, and the franchise. The coaching staff must teach him through repetition that the time for him to get out of bounds or slide is sooner than he is currently doing it.[/QUOTE]


I mentioned something along these lines a few weeks back. After one of the practices with the patriots Gruden mentioned how he would like to see RG get rid of the ball and go out of bounds more often.

When Griffin was asked about Grudens comments he said something along the lines of...it's practice so I want to continue the plays so receivers can work on scramble drills, in live games I'm going to do something different.

He needs to start listening to what these coaches have to say. He hasn't listened to much so far, and it makes me very nervous for the future. RG needs to have it pounded into his head how valuable he is to this team.

I think what needs to be done is have someone on the sideline at all practices with a whistle that blows the play dead the second he starts to run. That's the only way I see him able to break this style of play.

I really hope he learns how to play more effective throughout this year. Really need to see some vast improvement, there's no way he will last in the league very long playing like this.

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I wonder if Clev is regretting taking that fool and perhaps thinking they should have drafted Bridgewater. Forget that he's a dick for now, he doesn't look like he can actually play at the NFL level. There were easy routine throws last night that he just couldn't make. That would be my concern more than his shitty tiresome act.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1078085]The coaches aren't babysitters! He's a grown ass man and a smart one. He knows what he needs to do and should take it upon himself to get down. Either he does it, or he gets hurt and misses games. That might be the only way he learns. Personally I think he's exactly like Vick. He'll never truly protect himself. It's just not in his nature slide naturally.[/QUOTE]


The coaches aren't baby sitters, but they are NFL coaches and get paid a lot of money to keep these players in line. If you don't think some of this comes back on the coaching you are wrong. There's blame to go all the way around, not just at RG's feet. The have to teach him how to play this game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1078092]I wonder if Clev is regretting taking that fool and perhaps thinking they should have drafted Bridgewater. Forget that he's a dick for now, he doesn't look like he can actually play at the NFL level. There were easy routine throws last night that he just couldn't make. That would be my concern more than his shitty tiresome act.[/quote]

if it was basketball, Johnny Cakes would have the bounce pass down

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It's on Griffin to adapt his game. I find it hard to believe the coaches aren't in his ear all the time about being smart when scrambling. Griffin needs to make it happen.

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[quote=tshile;1078088]the nfl.com photo gallery for the game has some good pics you all may enjoy :)
[url=http://www.nfl.com/photos/0ap3000000379606/0ap3000000379758]NFL.com Photos- Browns Redskins Football - Ryan Kerrigan, Johnny Manziel[/url][/quote]

In one of Judy Battista's latest NFL.com articles about the Browns, she mentions how Hoyer was sacked by Ryan Kerrigan, "one of the league's best pass rushers." I just thought it was cool he was getting some love like that on the national level. Of course, maybe Miss Judy was just trying to earn points with Kerrigan. :D

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1078082]Maybe you're still jet lagged, but right now Manziel is not better than Hoyer. Hoyer and Manziel have been splitting reps, and that's going to affect any QB, especially one that hasn't played since October of last year (Hoyer).



If I'm Cleveland, I make Hoyer the starter, let him get reps with the first team for the rest of the season, and let Johnny Crybaby play with the second team (consistently) in the last two games. If they keep this up, they're going to be destroyed by the likes of Pittsburgh and Baltimore, no matter who's under center.[/QUOTE]


Ehhh. I know the kid is a whiny little punk. BUT im not talking about who id rather hang out with. Yeah Hoyer hasnt played since October, but he has been in the NFL since 2009. Manziel has participated in two pre-season games. So if you are going to use the experience factor lets look at the big picture. Again I agree with you about rotating them in and out of games. Its a recipe for disaster.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078095]It's on Griffin to adapt his game. I find it hard to believe the coaches aren't in his ear all the time about being smart when scrambling. Griffin needs to make it happen.[/quote]

Precisely why I would fine him. Gruden has to find a new, vivid way to send the message.

I'd be fair and make it a rule for any QB. But I doubt Cousins or McCoy would rack up that fine.

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[quote=Lotus;1078098]Precisely why I would fine him. Gruden has to find a new, vivid way to send the message.

I'd be fair and make it a rule for any QB. But I doubt Cousins or McCoy would rack up that fine.[/quote]

Not sure how much they could fine him before the players union would step in and have an issue with it. Probably not enough to make a difference I would guess.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1078093]The coaches aren't baby sitters, but they are NFL coaches and get paid a lot of money to keep these players in line. If you don't think some of this comes back on the coaching you are wrong. There's blame to go all the way around, not just at RG's feet. The have to teach him how to play this game.[/quote]

I would agree with you if we were talking about db's, or rb's, or any other position.

But there's zero chance Griffin isn't getting the full attention of Gruden, Mcvay, and other coaches on that team when appropriate.

You know... Sally Jenkins had an article about Griffin's stubbourness and said some were referring to him as uncoachable last season.

Most fans wrote it off - but maybe there's some truth to it... You can lead a horse to water...

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Given Jenkins' connections to Shanny I buy zero of what she was selling last year.

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I don't blame you.

I don't think Shanahan was the awful coach most fans have turned him into though... I think there was quite a bit of blame to be shared by all, even our savior quarterback.

But we've all been down that road a bunch of times, so I guess it's not worth it anymore. We'll know eventually who was to blame for what; or better yet, none of us will care ;)

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[quote=Mattyk;1078099]Not sure how much they could fine him before the players union would step in and have an issue with it. Probably not enough to make a difference I would guess.[/quote]

You could be right. So bench him, take away his parking spot, do SOMETHING coach-like to send a new, untried, and urgent wake-up.

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Next Sat. is the dress rehearsal for the Skins. Lets see how RGIII and company perform against the Ravens. That will probably give us the best indication of how this season will start.

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In regards to Johnny D-bag, this didn't take long. Welcome to the AFC North.

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[quote=Lotus;1078098]Precisely why I would fine him. Gruden has to find a new, vivid way to send the message.

I'd be fair and make it a rule for any QB. But I doubt Cousins or McCoy would rack up that fine.[/quote]

That would be like fining a playing for fumbling or missing a block. That isn't going to fly unfortunately with the player or the NFLPA.

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[quote=Lotus;1078103]You could be right. So bench him, take away his parking spot, do SOMETHING coach-like to send a new, untried, and urgent wake-up.[/quote]

How about since it was a pre-season game. Jay just pulled him from that series or a play. Something tells me hitting Griffin's pride is more hurtful to him then hitting his wallet.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078095]It's on Griffin to adapt his game. I find it hard to believe the coaches aren't in his ear all the time about being smart when scrambling. Griffin needs to make it happen.[/quote]

I imagine they are but it is like Vick (even though Vick was known to be arrogant), if they see that one yard that they believe can make a difference they are going for it. I think it is almost impossible to get a player to stop being so reactive when they are so competitive.

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[quote=donofriose;1078108]I imagine they are but it is like Vick (even though Vick was known to be arrogant), if they see that one yard that they believe can make a difference they are going for it. I think it is almost impossible to get a player to stop being so reactive when they are so competitive.[/quote]

Yeah I think at the end of they day this is just who he is and we'll have to live with it. Most of the time coaches have to find ways to coach up competitiveness, good luck trying to do it the other way around. As he becomes more comfortable in the pocket he'll take off less.

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[quote=mredskins;1078107]How about since it was a pre-season game. Jay just pulled him from that series or a play. Something tells me hitting Griffin's pride is more hurtful to him then hitting his wallet.[/quote]

Fine. Good idea.

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Do we know why Griff got called twice for false starts? He was baiting the defense to jump for sure but I saw nothing worthy of a penalty.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078109]Yeah I think at the end of they day this is just who he is and [B]we'll have to live with it. Most of the time coaches have to find ways to coach up competitiveness, good luck trying to do it the other way around. [/B]As he becomes more comfortable in the pocket he'll take off less.[/quote]

That's a good point.

But we won't live with Griff playing this way, we'll die by it. He's got to change.

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Griffin is way off base if he thinks that he can practice one way and then play a different way in games in regard to his scrambling. He has said and shown that he believes in repetitions of correct fundamentals as a passer. Why should repetitions of doing things the right way be any less valuable to him as a scrambler than it is to him as a passer?

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[quote=Chico23231;1078094]if it was basketball, Johnny Cakes would have the bounce pass down[/quote]

It's obvious that he's been getting advice from Donovan "Wormball" McNabb.

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Redskins safety Ryan Clark appeared on Mike & Mike Tuesday morning and claimed to know (what prompted Johnny Manziel to flip off the Skins bench).

"I can tell you what the statement was that set him off. The statement was … This isn't college any more and these people are faster than you are," Clark said. "He didn't like it. That was me cleaning up the statement but that's pretty close to what it was."

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All of this is going to spread through the league. He just told every NFL defender they can get under his skin ... and do so pretty easily. If he thought guys were giving him grief before, he just turned the volume up to 11.

Pittsburg, Baltimore? They are going to eat him alive and spit out his endorsements.

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Ryan Clark also said he didnt care, nobody cares, its football. Something very similar to that. Trash talking has been around forever and its part of the game. I really dont think it rattled him - he was already playing like crap. The whole thing with him flipping off the Redskins bench is really blown out of proportion. What is going to rattle him is when he gets his ass planted in the turf- the same thing that rattles any other qb. It all boils down to skill set and ability and it is way to early to tell if he will have what it takes to make it in the league.

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[QUOTE=Lotus;1078111]Do we know why Griff got called twice for false starts? He was baiting the defense to jump for sure but I saw nothing worthy of a penalty.[/QUOTE]


Another point of emphasis regarding rule enforcement. Funny you never see Peyton Manning get called for it.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1078118]Ryan Clark also said he didnt care, nobody cares, its football. Something very similar to that. Trash talking has been around forever and its part of the game. I really dont think it rattled him - he was already playing like crap. The whole thing with him flipping off the Redskins bench is really blown out of proportion. What is going to rattle him is when he gets his ass planted in the turf- the same thing that rattles any other qb. It all boils down to skill set and ability and it is way to early to tell if he will have what it takes to make it in the league.[/QUOTE]


Dude he was rattled, he admitted as much. He said he lost his composure.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1078120]Dude he was rattled, he admitted as much. He said he lost his composure.[/QUOTE]


He was basically apologizing for making an obscene gesture on tv. Do you really think the comments/finger changed his game? If he alluded to that than it was because his other option was to say he was plain n simply stinking up the joint.

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He said he did a good job holding his composure all nite and had a lapse in judgement and slipped up. In other words sorry good holy people of America for doing that on tv. Lol.
Edit: im not denying that he was rattled, just debating why. I dont believe it was name calling - I believe it was the Skins sacking his ass and the speed of an NFL D. The finger was just extra - Ryan Clarke basically said as much.

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Otherwise known as he lost his cool, came undone, or was rattled. Not sure what else you call it. They guy is immature as evident by his on and off the field behavior. Not exactly a leader or what you expect from a 1st rd pick. When Johnny doesn't get his way he throws a tantrum.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1078123]Otherwise known as he lost his cool, came undone, or was rattled. Not sure what else you call it. They guy is immature as evident by his on and off the field behavior. Not exactly a leader or what you expect from a 1st rd pick. When Johnny doesn't get his way he throws a tantrum.[/QUOTE]


But he didnt throw a tantrum. Ryan Leaf threw a tantrum. Ryan Leaf showed the world he was a strait up head case that couldnt handle being an nfl qb. Manziel is a smug cocky punk, but not a head case. Even when he flipped off the bench, he was headed back to the huddle, and getting back in the game, and was like oh by the way eff off. Does he have the physical skill set to make it in this league? I dont know. However I dont see it as a Ryan Leaf thing at all.

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Tantrums come in many different sizes. Doesn't have to be a full-blown meltdown like Leaf. Johnny got upset he was playing like shit and all the trash talk got to him. You can bet other teams are taking notes.

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Agreed- but due to the fact that it wasnt really a "melt down" im just holding off on saying he doesnt have what it takes mentally to be a player/leader in this league. Sirius radio was just talking about him and Leaf as a matter of fact and pointed out that Leafs teammates didnt like the guy from day one. I think the Manziels teammates do like him and that speaks volumes about whats actually inside a guys head. As opposed to what outsiders think is in his head. Time will tell.

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Ill say this - in one day ive talked more about the Browns than i have in my entire life. Lol

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1078115]Redskins safety Ryan Clark appeared on Mike & Mike Tuesday and claimed to know (what prompted Johnny Manziel to flip off the bench).

"I can tell you what the statement was that set him off. The statement was … This isn't college any more and these people are faster than you are," Clark said. "He didn't like it. That was me cleaning up the statement but that's pretty close to what it was."[/quote]

I think Manziel would be better served staying in the pocket and using his athleticism Aaron Rodgers style. RG probably should too, instead of crossing the LOS so much, but at least he has the speed to beat defenders to the edge and then outrun them. I think Manziel is probably a little better than RG at shaking a defender one-on-one, but he just doesn't have RG's elite speed.

I think Manziel has the physical tools to succeed in the NFL, but if he doesn't mature really fast and start playing smart, he's gonna get killed in this league. He's not a big dog or the best athlete on the field anymore... he's probably just a little brat to most of these guys.

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F*ck johnny manziel