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[quote=Chico23231;1083192]Is Saden really Mike Wise?[/quote]

No , NC skins is .:)

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[quote=tshile;1083165]re: Mike Wises article...

Kevin Sheehan on ESPN 980 has commented multiple times today (Monday Morning Quarterback Show and the Sports Fix) that he had been hearing the same thing for weeks...

So while I believe Mike Wise is a piece of garbage that makes things up, I also believe Kevin Sheehan to be the smartest football guy in the Media (Unless you consider Jurgensen to be 'in the media') and I can't ever think of a time where he was just drumming up controversy, it's not really his thing, so...

Interesting, I suppose...[/quote]

Sheehan the smartest guy? Wow

The article is very, verrrrrry inaccurate

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083197]I think saden once said his fiancee (now spouse?) is a Washington Post reporter...maybe it's Wise?[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=Mattyk;1083186]Either that or RG3 is the source, he must know by now what the diagnosis is.[/quote]

Griffin is the source.

Though nothing has been said about ligament damage or expected time table. Just that there is no fracture.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083199]Sheehan the smartest guy? Wow

The article is very, verrrrrry inaccurate[/quote]

Who's smarter in the local media?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083199][B]Sheehan the smartest guy? Wow[/B]

The article is very, verrrrrry inaccurate[/quote]

lol ... I thought the same thing.

Since I don't listen to him often, it was one of those "Am I missing something?" moments. I then went back and looked at some of his stuff and thought "Nope. I am not."

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You don't listen to him often but know how good/bad he is as a football guy?

Sound analysis.

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There is no downside to reporting things that aren't true.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1083205]There is no downside to reporting things that aren't true.[/quote]

not when you work for the post :)

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[quote=tshile;1083201]Griffin is the source.

Though nothing has been said about ligament damage or expected time table. Just that there is no fracture.[/quote]

So I'm looking stuff up online and I can't find out any recovery timeframe for dislocated ankles WITHOUT fractures. Anyone care to be a doctor and lets us know what RG3 might be looking at for recovery?

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[QUOTE=scowan;1083208]So I'm looking stuff up online and I can't find out any recovery timeframe for dislocated ankles WITHOUT fractures. Anyone care to be a doctor and lets us know what RG3 might be looking at for recovery?[/QUOTE]


8-12 weeks. Just a guess.

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presser is in 8 minutes.

my money is on the answer being 'more tests' :(

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[quote=tshile;1083204]You don't listen to him often but know how good/bad he is as a football guy?

Sound analysis.[/quote]

I listen to him often enough to know that anyone who believes:

[quote=tshile;1083165] to be the smartest football guy in the Media [/quote]

isn’t following too much of “the Media." In the locals, Keim is head and shoulders above anyone else. Tandler is damn good too. Boyer seems to know his stuff only been following him recently. Bashir is good and he and Tandler give good coverage. In the national coverage, Clayton, Mortensen.

Not saying Sheehan is horrible. Again, don’t listen to him enough to say that. I [I]have[/I] listened to him often enough to know he is not even in the conversation when it comes to “smartest football guy in the media.”

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[quote=Mattyk;1083209]8-12 weeks. Just a guess.[/quote]

So basically his season done. Which I guess we all knew. If he is back by December, the Redskins are either playing for the playoffs and Cousins is great or they are stinking it up and there will be no reason to play Griffin, which means long off season for the front office trying to sort this QB mess out.

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[quote=scowan;1083212]So basically his season done. Which I guess we all knew. If he is back by December, the Redskins are either playing for the playoffs and Cousins is great or they are stinking it up and there will be no reason to play Griffin, which means long off season for the front office trying to sort this QB mess out.[/quote]

there's the possibility cousins plays well enough to keep them in contention, but not well enough to keep Griffin on the bench once healthy.

there are more options than cousins plays well enough to keep the job or sucks and the season goes down the tubes.

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[quote=tshile;1083202]Who's smarter in the local media?[/quote]

Chris Cooley, Brian Mitchell, Scott Jackson, Liz Clarke, for starters

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1083211]I listen to him often enough to know that anyone who believes:



isn’t following too much of “the Media." In the locals, Keim is head and shoulders above anyone else. Tandler is damn good too. Boyer seems to know his stuff only been following him recently. Bashir is good and he and Tandler give good coverage. In the national coverage, Clayton, Mortensen.

Not saying Sheehan is horrible. Again, don’t listen to him enough to say that. I [I]have[/I] listened to him often enough to know he is not even in the conversation when it comes to “smartest football guy in the media.”[/quote]

Fair enough, though to me you seem to be listing people that have more connections than people that actually understand the game of football.

But hey, opinions and all that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083214]Chris Cooley, Brian Mitchell, Scott Jackson, Liz Clarke, for starters[/quote]

As someone that used to be big on Chris Cooley.... he clearly is quite a homer and does a lot of double talk... He started out the 2013 seasons saying how awesome everyone was going to be, and ended it saying he expected them to be bad. I haven't heard him give insight that actually panned out...

He once said he thought fred davis was going to become a pro bowler for us, after he retired. You'd think, given as much time as Cooley spent around Davis, he'd have had a better informed opinion of Davis than that...

That said, sure, I'll give you the former players and add to the list Doc Walker. And I do really like Cooley for the most part, I've just lost any faith in what he says... there's no rhyme or reason to when he hits/misses on things... I listen to his show pretty much in its entirety every day.

Jackson and Clarke? lol ok.

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Gruden - "... we'll know if a few more weeks how long he's going to be out..."

Going to put it in a cast for a couple of weeks, not sure how long rehab will be.

dislocated, no fracture.

sending MRI to Andrews.

No rough guess on time table.

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I think its mostly about saying things to get attention, if you get a lot of hate that works also, Wise keeps himself employed somehow. I would love to sitdown with Wise, just to prove how much more about football I know then he does.

Also Keim could probably be a scout if he wanted too.

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[quote=tshile;1083216]As someone that used to be big on [B]Chris Cooley.... he clearly is quite a homer[/B] and does a lot of double talk... He started out the 2013 seasons saying how awesome everyone was going to be, and ended it saying he expected them to be bad. I haven't heard him give insight that actually panned out...

He once said he thought fred davis was going to become a pro bowler for us, after he retired. You'd think, given as much time as Cooley spent around Davis, he'd have had a better informed opinion of Davis than that...

That said, sure, I'll give you the former players and [B]add to the list Doc Walker[/B]. And I do really like Cooley for the most part, I've just lost any faith in what he says... there's no rhyme or reason to when he hits/misses on things... I listen to his show pretty much in its entirety every day.

Jackson and Clarke? lol ok.[/quote]
I've actually found CC to be pretty honest....and love Doc, but HE is a homer....Caveman, Gloworm, etc

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gloworm?

which one was that, I don't remember :)

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I like Cooley but, to me, he clearly needs more practice in front of the mic. A

s much as his arrogance of "If you haven't played in the NFL, you don't know sh** about it." rubs me the wrong way at times, BMitch is my favorite of the former player analysts - though I like Matich too. (Matich is always good for passing on a couple of insights that only a former player would notice and doing so in a manner that makes sense to those who haven't played the game since HS/College).

Keim doesn't understand football and is all about "connections" -- da fuq??

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[quote=tshile;1083218]Gruden - "... we'll know if a few more weeks how long he's going to be out..."

Going to put it in a cast for a couple of weeks, not sure how long rehab will be.

dislocated, no fracture.

sending MRI to Andrews.

No rough guess on time table.[/quote]

That is probably the best answer by Gruden he can give. Everyone needs to just leave the speculation on when Griffin returns up in the air. No since throwing a timeframe out there and putting pressure on Griffin to hit it. He needs to recover and just flat out get healthy. By this time next week it will be all about how well Cousin played or didn't play and Griffin won't be on anyone's mind. I just feel bad for the guy, he is made of glass.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1083226]I like Cooley but, to me, he clearly needs more practice in front of the mic. A

s much as his arrogance of "If you haven't played in the NFL, you don't know sh** about it." rubs me the wrong way at times, BMitch is my favorite of the former player analysts - though I like Matich too. (Matich is always good for passing on a couple of insights that only a former player would notice and doing so in a manner that makes sense to those who haven't played the game since HS/College).

Keim doesn't understand football and is all about "connections" -- da fuq??[/quote]

Shoot, I forgot about Matich. He's the best, the absolute best, of the local former athletes. Maybe even beyond that. I love his analysis

I like Cooley more than I expected to. I think he explains things well

Mitchell is good, he's a friend so I'll recuse myself from a full analysis. But in short, I think he can speak well to the emotion of playing football and all the intangible stuff but not really an Xs and Os guys

Doc has a very arrogant "if you don't play pro sports, your opinion doesn't matter" attitude and he refers to much to the "in my super bowl winning days" for my liking.

Liz Clarke is outstanding. Does the research, asks the right questions. Tremendous addition to Washington Post's staff. Sometimes the smartest ones are the ones who know they don't know enough to presume.

Sheehan's obsession with bringing up Shanahan at every turn this season is wearing on me. Just move on already

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B-Mitch has grown to be one of my favs....

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[quote=tshile;1083223]gloworm?

which one was that, I don't remember :)[/quote]
Alfmo...

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083231][B]Shoot, I forgot about Matich. He's the best, the absolute best, of the local former athletes. Maybe even beyond that. I love his analysis[/B]....[/quote]

He made an observation about how Kerrigan dealt with the Jags RT that was something no one watching the game saw but once TM explained it, it was like "Wow ... that makes a lot of sense."

TM said Kerrigan had done really good film study of the Jags RT b/c he consistently anticipated the RT's initial move in the hand-fighting that goes on between linemen. According to TM, Kerrigan was able to consistently control the RT b/c the RT consistently started low with his hand placement and Kerrigan's initial move was to come low with his initial punch but, instead of going to the RT's body, used it to control/prevent the RT from raising his hands and get good placement on Kerrigan's body. TM's comment was that the consistency and precision with which Kerrigan was able to do this showed careful study of the RT's technique.

As a former lineman, it just made me say "Wow!" both b/c of Kerrigan's technique study and Matich's ability to see/understand this.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1083053]I wouldn't say he's damaged goods. But we are talking about [B]a track athlete[/B] that's on his 3rd major injury in 6 years? Where ever he's playing, that team MUST have a legit back-up QB if he's the starter.[/quote]

A track athlete? He won the Heisman -- and it wasn't because of running the ball. He threw for a ton of yards and TDs that year. Obviously, he's a track athelete as well, and I would agree he isn't built like Big Ben. But I don't think that folks can chalk this up to the guy being fragile. His ACL was an issue in college, and he obviously had a significant re-injury at the end of 2012. But he worked his way back from that.

Injuries are going to happen -- even to the sturdiest of players. Guys in the NFL are a scary combination of big and fast, and it doesn't even have to be a collision that will cause injury -- take, for example, Jadaveon Clowney. He too got a non-contact injury and I doubt anyone would suggest he's fragile or made of glass. Speed + power = at least occasional injury. Humans didn't evolve to do what these guys do every Sunday.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083214]Chris Cooley, Brian Mitchell, Scott Jackson, Liz Clarke, for starters[/quote]

You also forgot Sally Jenkins.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1083239]You also forgot Sally Jenkins.[/quote]

:yeahright:

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083231]Sheehan's obsession with bringing up Shanahan at every turn this season is wearing on me. Just move on already[/quote]

Sheehan's obsessions are very annoying.

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Granted, it's [U]very[/U] early, but when was the last time we saw something like this? [url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/team]NFL Stats: Team[/url]

Redskins -- #1 Defense; #5 Offense.

Crazy to think that this plus a blowout win yesterday, and yet we're all feeling a little depressed because of the injuries.

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The Mitchell and Matich post game show on CSN is good T.V. for any Skins fan. I enjoy their insights. Those guys aren't afraid to express strong opinions, either.

Some of you who live far away from D.C. should consider springing for NFL Sunday Ticket and CSN-Atlantic on Direct TV, if it fits in your budget. Then you won't miss any Skins games or commentary. I got this and more for what I used to pay for crappy basic cable in my area.

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im a big fan of cooley's film break down and X n Os talk on tuesday's at 5 pm. he is the only radio guy i know that can give you in-depth play analysis. seemingly all radio talking heads just seem to spout subjective opinions and rehash of news tidbits (which is fine, thats talk radio for ya)

bummed i dont know who Matich is ... sounds like he is not a radio guy so i wouldnt have an opportunity to hear/see him.

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[quote=tshile;1083166]Chris Russel, among others, reporting Griffin has no fracture, does not need surgery.[/quote]Perhaps the equipment manager can get Griffin to try bulkier high top cleats to better support his ankles in contrast with the "slippers" that he has been wearing. At first glance, either his feet are very small, or his game shoes are closer to the minimal footwear that punters/kickers play with. I've always thought that he appears to use the lightest (read non-supportive) foot gear.

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[quote=over the mountain;1083263]im a big fan of cooley's film break down and X n Os talk on tuesday's at 5 pm. he is the only radio guy i know that can give you in-depth play analysis. seemingly all radio talking heads just seem to spout subjective opinions and rehash of news tidbits (which is fine, thats talk radio for ya)

bummed i dont know who Matich is ... sounds like he is not a radio guy so i wouldnt have an opportunity to hear/see him.[/quote]

Matich is on the CSN Redskins pre/post game live. If you get Comcast in Baltimore its on channel 6 on game days (when not preempted by CSN's Raven pre/post game). Even when Ravens show preempts the live telecast, they will repeat the Skins show later in the evening. It BMitch, Matich and Czaban. Well worth the watching.

Unlike Sheehan, these guys actually know what they are talking about. (zing! ;) )

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1083270]Matich is on the CSN Redskins pre/post game live. If you get Comcast in Baltimore its on channel 6 on game days (when not preempted by CSN's Raven pre/post game). Even when Ravens show preempts the live telecast, they will repeat the Skins show later in the evening. It BMitch, Matich and Czaban. Well worth the watching.

Unlike Sheehan, these guys actually know what they are talking about. (zing! ;) )[/quote]

Czabe? Chick Hernandez hosts with BMitch and Matich

Matich was a colleague of mine up in Bristol. Murderers row of offices, me, Matich, Matthew Berry, Stephania Bell. Can't say he was up there too often though

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[quote=SmootSmack;1083272]Czabe? [B]Chick Hernandez hosts with BMitch and Matich[/B][/quote]

DOH! So much for my credibility on this site. <sigh>

[quote=SmootSmack;1083272]Matich was a colleague of mine up in Bristol. Murderers row of offices, me, Matich, Matthew Berry, Stephania Bell. Can't say he was up there too often though[/quote]

Well, how would you know - you were so busy playing catch with D. Brees and sh** (You do not know how much man-envy I have of you. I hate you and want to be you sooo much right now).

Wait ... you're no longer at ESPN? You worked with Ms. Bell? Is that you Mr. Kusalias?? (I kid, I kid!!)

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1083276]DOH! So much for my credibility on this site. <sigh>



Well, how would you know - you were so busy playing catch with D. Brees and sh** (You do not know how much man-envy I have of you. I hate you and want to be you sooo much right now).

Wait ... you're no longer at ESPN? You worked with Ms. Bell? Is that you Mr. Kusalias?? (I kid, I kid!!)[/quote]

Ugh, don't ever even jokingly confuse me with him. Can not stand him.

Ms. Bell by the way is how you say...magnifique!