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That Frank T article is so awesome. Fuck this franchise and Griffin. Match made in hell.

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Would be interesting if we had kept our pick and drafted Ryan T

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1097800]Per cbssports.com, Fran Tarkenton on RGIII and Gruden's evaluation "

"I sympathize with Jay Gruden. Gruden came out and pointed out, which is right, that he has no mechanics. He is a terrible passer, has no accuracy, he doesn't understand the offense, he doesn't read defenses, and he has no discipline. When he is supposed to take a 3-yard drop, he takes a 1-yard drop; if he is supposed to take a 5-yard drop, it's a 3-yard drop. There's no discipline and understanding of the defense because he is a pontificator. He will never make it. He will be out of football. He will be in the same graveyard as JaMarcus Russell and Vince Young."[/quote]

Man, this last paragraph is......what Griffen needs to hear.
There is still a chance he can turn his career around if he just swallowed his pride and took the time to learn his craft as an NFL QB. I think because of the success he had his rookie year, he does not have the patience or humility to do it. It is what is holding him back.

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BTW, to pontificate is to talk in a dogmatic and pompous manner. To pontificate properly, you need to be a know-it-all with very strong opinions and the urge to share them. I looked it up.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1097809]Man, this last paragraph is......what Griffen needs to hear.

There is still a chance he can turn his career around if he just swallowed his pride and took the time to learn his craft as an NFL QB. I think because of the success he had his rookie year, he does not have the patience or humility to do it. It is what is holding him back.[/QUOTE]


Is it possible that Griffin cannot learn it? People can spend all of eternity wanting to learn a craft, and never be able to master it.
He is not the only physically gifted QB that cannot cut it in the NFL. There are literally thousands of others. His phyisical ability has helped him achieve alot but maybe he just does not have it inside him to be a great nfl qb.
There are varying opinions as to the time he puts in, and who knows what is true. I just dont buy the fact that if he showed up to work today and said, "Jay I want to dedicate every waking moment to becoming a great pocket passer in the NFL" that abra cadabra - he will be one eventually. You either have it inside of you, or you do not. Drive, determination, and athletic ability does not mean that you can automatically become a great NFL QB.


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Everyone loved Gruden's approach to the media when before the games started. Now that we are losing, everyone want to throw him under and look for the next man in. I see people shouting for fucking Art Briles on twitter. It's a fucking joke right now.

This franchise and Snyder should go hand in hand.

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1097813]Everyone loved Gruden's approach to the media when before the games started. Now that we are losing, everyone want to throw him under and look for the next man in. I see people shouting for fucking Art Briles on twitter. It's a fucking joke right now.



This franchise and Snyder should go hand in hand.[/QUOTE]


Yup, its amazing. If we were winning it would be all about Grudens attitude. Lol
I still say that if Gruden had been allowed to go with his choice at QB and DC we would have a few more wins at this point. Couple his hands being tied with the shitshow he inherited, no cap money, and no first round pick and effin Houdini couldnt find his way out.


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[quote=punch it in;1097814]Yup, its amazing. If we were winning it would be all about Grudens attitude. Lol
I still say that if Gruden had been allowed to go with his choice at QB and DC we would have a few more wins at this point. Couple his hands being tied with the shitshow he inherited, no cap money, and no first round pick and effin Houdini couldnt find his way out.


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I still like Gruden, and think we are good with him. He doesn't hide behind the curtain. Snyder is an issue, but I also believe the whole Synder thing is blown out of proportion. The owner for the Pats does just as much as Snyder, but the difference is.. They win because they have great scouting and talent eval team. We might have one of the worse in football.

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1097815]I still like Gruden, and think we are good with him. He doesn't hide behind the curtain. Snyder is an issue, but I also believe the whole Synder thing is blown out of proportion. The owner for the Pats does just as much as Snyder, but the difference is.. They win because they have great scouting and talent eval team. We might have one of the worse in football.[/QUOTE]


Look at Jerry Jones. He is down on the sidelines, he is the self appointed GM. This year they are winning, and nobody has a problem with it.


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[quote=punch it in;1097816]Look at Jerry Jones. He is down on the sidelines, he is the self appointed GM. This year they are winning, and nobody has a problem with it.


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Exactly.. Winning solves everything. I think Colt can win a lot of games for us if we focus on the O-Line and a Safety in the offseason. I would even trade Garcon and try to get a 2nd-3rd for him.

Maybe grab a Late round QB if one is available or bring in Bradford for competition in the offseason.

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1097817]Exactly.. Winning solves everything. I think Colt can win a lot of games for us if we focus on the O-Line and a Safety in the offseason. I would even trade Garcon and try to get a 2nd-3rd for him.



Maybe grab a Late round QB if one is available or bring in Bradford for competition in the offseason.[/QUOTE]


I dont want to trade Garcon. Dude had an off year, but he is also a proven commodity one year removed from leading the league in receptions. He takes heat off of D-jax when he is on the field. If we can adress the oline and pass pro, plus get a steady qb going, than I still think they can be a two headed monster.
Need to adress the oline and db's - especially safety and nothing else this time around.


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[quote=punch it in;1097818]I dont want to trade Garcon. Dude had an off year, but he is also a proven commodity one year removed from leading the league in receptions. He takes heat off of D-jax when he is on the field. If we can adress the oline and pass pro, plus get a steady qb going, than I still think they can be a two headed monster.
Need to adress the oline and db's - especially safety and nothing else this time around.


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Problem with Garcon is teams are jamming him on the line and it seems he's struggling to get off the line.

I think Colt can be that steady QB. This will be his consecutive week running the offense. Let's see if he starts off faster with more comfort. Might even find Garcon more.

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1097819]Problem with Garcon is teams are jamming him on the line and it seems he's struggling to get off the line.



I think Colt can be that steady QB. This will be his consecutive week running the offense. Let's see if he starts off faster with more comfort. Might even find Garcon more.[/QUOTE]


I agree about Colt. Its hard to look past what he has done. I havent completely given up on Cousins either. He has the arm strength, and has shown such great potential. Eagles, Jags, even in 2012. He just needs to slow down and think alittle. That I believe is something that can be fixed.
Garcon might have a case of the "why should i care if nobody else does" going on. Im thinking if we played better as a team so would he. Not that I agree with that attitude, but Im willing to give him a pass due to his potential.


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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1097762]Since our team has been so good and winning consistently before Gruden arrived, clearly Gruden is the problem.

Snyder and the FO has done an exceptional job in getting us such incredible talent in the last 14-15 years Snyder has owned the team and they have never broken rules or been penalized. So it is not them. Consistently a playoff team during the 14 years.

Plus add the the fact the RGIII has never had a problem with other coaches in his 3 years in the NFL. There was a love affair with the last coaching staff. RGIII's play on the field that last two years has been incredible MVP like and he is an Iron Man when it comes to injuries. He is very humble and welcomes criticism, very evident in the post game press conference where he has never blamed his teammates. He works so hard that his footwork and technique is Hall of Fame level. Top notch!

So clearly Gruden who has been here 8 month (?) is the problem.........

Plus there are so many excellent coaches that are dieing to come work here. They'll just show up with a magic playbook, call the right plays and we will win again.[/QUOTE]


Great post. I hope every Gruden hater reads this. Its mind boggling that people want to blame him.


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I don't think Gruden is going anywhere.

But he definitely needs to learn and grow from this season.

He's certainly not without fault in all this. He could have handled some things a lot better. There were some concerns about him coming in about being able to handle the big media market in DC and he's definitely looked green in that area more often than not.

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Gruden would still be getting the benefit of the doubt if his group looked sharp and well prepared on game days. They don't, so he doesn't get the benefit. Add in his own lack of prep, stupid play calls, late play calls, and all indications are the problems start with him first and foremost. Then his poor handling of RG and the QB situation in general. Then poor handling of the media.

Right now he's DCs version of Josh McDaniels, with the ghost of Zorn. Worst HC hire of 2014. But he's got 4 games to show improvement and its got to start manana. That's tomorrow.

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Folks need to realize, Gruden wasn't in a leadership role in Cincy. Marvin Lewis is a great leader and Zimmer's defense was the soul of that team. Gruden was the long shot HC hire of 2014 and I still say the old boys connection got him this gig. It's gotten more obvious as the season wears on.

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I wouldn't say he was a long shot hire, his name was coming up the past 2 years as a potential candidate. He didn't exactly come out of nowhere like Zorn did. And his development of Dalton was well documented.

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[quote=Mattyk;1097822]I don't think Gruden is going anywhere.

But he definitely needs to learn and grow from this season.

He's certainly not without fault in all this. He could have handled some things a lot better. There were some concerns about him coming in about being able to handle the big media market in DC and he's definitely looked green in that area more often than not.[/quote]

Yup. For instance, you can't call out players in public like he has, even if his critiques were correct. There's plenty of time behind closed doors to crucify players, if that is what you want to do.

Although honesty should be a virtue, Gruden might be too honest to be an NFL coach.

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[quote=Mattyk;1097827]I wouldn't say he was a long shot hire, his name was coming up the past 2 years as a potential candidate. He didn't exactly come out of nowhere like Zorn did. And his development of Dalton was well documented.[/quote]

Some said Dalton even regressed this year, but Green was hurt too I think. Hard to tell.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1097830]Some said Dalton even regressed this year, but Green was hurt too I think. Hard to tell.[/quote]

Dalton was up and down last year. To me he's just an average to below average QB. I don't think he's taking Cincy anywhere. Campbell is a better QB than Dalton and he should be their starter.

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I like Gruden and I think he has potential to become a good coach (he isn't there yet). But, if the Skins lose out and with the improvements on our roster (albeit modest ones) we end up with the same record as last year when everyone gave up, I will have some real reservations about him - even for another season. The time to show some fight is now.


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[quote=skinsfan69;1097836]Dalton was up and down last year. To me he's just an average to below average QB. I don't think he's taking Cincy anywhere. Campbell is a better QB than Dalton and he should be their starter.[/quote][YT]FopyRHHlt3M[/YT]
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/player/andydalton/2495143/profile"]Dalton's stats[/URL]
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/player/jasoncampbell/2506364/profile"]Captain Checkdown's (Campbell) stats[/URL]

And even worse, keep in mind Dalton's stats include playing against the Steelers and Ravens D twice a year.

Nobody should confuse Dalton with Rodgers/Brady/Peyton, but nobody should confuse Campbell with Dalton either.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/dispute-over-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-could-lead-to-showdown-between-jay-gruden-bruce-allen/2014/12/06/a2b622f0-7d67-11e4-9a27-6fdbc612bff8_story.html]Dispute over Redskins’ Robert Griffin III could lead to showdown between Jay Gruden, Bruce Allen - The Washington Post[/url]

Here we go again.

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I don't know what to think of this soap opera! What does bother me is the fact that Gruden gave up on RGIII and Kirk way too prematurely.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/report-gruden-could-be-one-and-done-coach-redskins]Report: Gruden could be 'one-and-done' as coach of Redskins | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

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This organization is an embarrassment. If Snyder cans gruden, I'm gonna be done for awhile. We are just repeating the same mistakes over and over

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1097853][URL="http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/report-gruden-could-be-one-and-done-coach-redskins"]Report: Gruden could be 'one-and-done' as coach of Redskins | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/URL][/quote]

I....could win the lottery to...get it?

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[quote=Chico23231;1097854]This organization is an embarrassment. If Snyder cans gruden, I'm gonna be done for awhile. We are just repeating the same mistakes over and over[/quote]

I am done for a while now lol, yeah I watch the games and all but i'm not down and out anymore, I expect to lose.

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Firing Gruden would be a terrible mistake in the eyes many and yes we will continue to be the embarrassment of the league.

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[quote=Chico23231;1097854]This organization is an embarrassment. If Snyder cans gruden, I'm gonna be done for awhile. We are just repeating the same mistakes over and over[/quote]

No you won't, a solid coach can get a team on the right track in short order. Snyder and Allen might find the next One.

A sharp guy would have the stuff to sway Snyder and Allen the right direction on Haslett, adding a QB coach, investing heavily in the oline. But he's got to earn it. Much of the season Hasletts group has been sharper and better prepared than Gruden's. We all want Haslett gone, but some accept worse from the HC. Say what

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I don't think Gruden should be fired, but let's not act like he's been great despite of RG3's regression.

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[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1097841][YT]FopyRHHlt3M[/YT]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/player/andydalton/2495143/profile"]Dalton's stats[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/player/jasoncampbell/2506364/profile"]Captain Checkdown's (Campbell) stats[/URL]



And even worse, keep in mind Dalton's stats include playing against the Steelers and Ravens D twice a year.



Nobody should confuse Dalton with Rodgers/Brady/Peyton, but nobody should confuse Campbell with Dalton either.[/QUOTE]


True dat. Captain deer in the headlights!


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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1097860]I don't think Gruden should be fired, but let's not act like he's been great despite of RG3's regression.[/QUOTE]


You forgot a horrible GM, horrible DC, and years of building a team based on bad trades and bad draft picks, inherited salary cap issues, and no first round pick in year one. Shanny had complete autonomy for 4 years. Lets give Gruden at least 1. RG -3 regressed last year, it was just blamed on injury. Nobody could have turned this team around in 12 weeks. Nobody. Good for Gruden for calling it out to the media. The 2 ton elephant in the room is no longer hiding behind yes people.


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If you think Jay Gruden came and cursed some magical franchise, well then you're an idiot

At the same time, Jay was neither the Redskins' first choice, nor were they his. So off the bat, it's been kind of a shaky relationship

I still think he's here one more year. And then he's gone

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Snyder truly is the worst owner in sports if he cans Gruden after just one season. I can't see him paying Gruden $20M to just go away.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1097865]If you think Jay Gruden came and cursed some magical franchise, well then you're an idiot

At the same time, Jay was neither the Redskins' first choice, nor were they his. So off the bat, it's been kind of a shaky relationship

I still think he's here one more year. And then he's gone[/quote]

Kinda surprised he wasn't the skins first choice, they seemed to really court him

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[quote=SmootSmack;1097865]If you think Jay Gruden came and cursed some magical franchise, well then you're an idiot

At the same time, Jay was neither the Redskins' first choice, nor were they his. So off the bat, it's been kind of a shaky relationship

I still think he's here one more year. And then he's gone[/quote]

Who was the Redskins' first choice? Just curious.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1097865]If you think Jay Gruden came and cursed some magical franchise, well then you're an idiot



At the same time, Jay was neither the Redskins' first choice, nor were they his. So off the bat, it's been kind of a shaky relationship



I still think he's here one more year. And then he's gone[/QUOTE]


Was your last statement meant to mean you think he will fail next year, or that if he fails next year he will be gone? It seems to be the former.


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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1097870]Who was the Redskins' first choice? Just curious.[/QUOTE]


Gibbs 3.0


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