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If Chip Kelly gets out of his contract with Philly. I would bring him to Washington in a heart beat. I like Gruden, but Chip is my favorite coach in the NFL right now.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1102845]Define "Real GM"[/quote] Why do you seem to be so pissed off with the fans? The fans didn't bring hire the unqualified 'qb guru' Jay Gruden. We didn't bring the below average Shawn Lauvao day one of free agency. We didn't give Brian Orakpo 11 million to record 0.5 sacks. We didn't bring Andre Roberts in here to be a number 2 receiver. We didn't overpay for Jason Hatcher who's clearly heading toward the end of his career. We also had no part in signing Tracey Porter, Ryan Clark, and Perry Riley. We didn't draft Trent Murphy, Morgan Moses, or Spencer Long. We didn't have any part in this disaster. It was all Bruce Allen.

We as fans have done our part. We supported this team through thick and thin. Based on how bad this team has been over the last two decades the Redskins organization should be feel good that they still have fans. If the fans come off as impatient, it's because of how bad the team has been. We want a winner after decades of losing. We want competent decision makers of decades or poor decision making. Is it unreasonable to demand these things from the organization that you've been loyal too for decades?

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I think SS is trying to teach a lesson about the label "real GM," a lesson that I have needed since I have misused the term.

I thought that under MS, Bruce did contract stuff while Mike Shanny was the GM. That perception appears to not be true, or not completely - Bruce was definitely getting his personal say in there. And Bruce did a poor job of blocking ownership when they wanted nutty things.

If true, then the problem isn't that Bruce isn't or hasn't been a "real GM." He's been a "real GM" all along and the problem is that he is a bad one.

In other news, fire Bruce now.

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[quote=Lotus;1102887]I think SS is trying to teach a lesson about the label "real GM," a lesson that I have needed since I have misused the term.

I thought that under MS, Bruce did contract stuff while Mike Shanny was the GM. That perception appears to not be true, or not completely - Bruce was definitely getting his personal say in there. And Bruce did a poor job of blocking ownership when they wanted nutty things.

If true, then the problem isn't that Bruce isn't or hasn't been a "real GM." He's been a "real GM" all along and the problem is that he is a bad one.

In other news, fire Bruce now.[/quote] Yes, we do need to fire Bruce, Scott, Doug, and anyone else who's apart of the personnel department.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1102879]Why do you seem to be so pissed off with the fans? The fans didn't bring hire the unqualified 'qb guru' Jay Gruden. We didn't bring the below average Shawn Lauvao day one of free agency. We didn't give Brian Orakpo 11 million to record 0.5 sacks. We didn't bring Andre Roberts in here to be a number 2 receiver. We didn't overpay for Jason Hatcher who's clearly heading toward the end of his career. We also had no part in signing Tracey Porter, Ryan Clark, and Perry Riley. We didn't draft Trent Murphy, Morgan Moses, or Spencer Long. We didn't have any part in this disaster. It was all Bruce Allen.

We as fans have done our part. We supported this team through thick and thin. Based on how bad this team has been over the last two decades the Redskins organization should be feel good that they still have fans. If the fans come off as impatient, it's because of how bad the team has been. We want a winner after decades of losing. We want competent decision makers of decades or poor decision making. Is it unreasonable to demand these things from the organization that you've been loyal too for decades?[/quote]

Not pissed off at the fans. I mean how many times can I say fans can and often are dumb when it comes to sports. Even I can be, and it's what being a fan is about in many regards. Management does not have the luxury to be that way

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[quote=SmootSmack;1102902]Not pissed off at the fans. I mean how many times can I say fans can and often are dumb when it comes to sports. Even I can be, and it's what being a fan is about in many regards. Management does not have the luxury to be that way[/quote]

But you do agree that the Skins management under Snyder has often appeared to be exactly that way, right?

Do you think it has gotten any better this time around, or are we in for more of the same?

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[quote=over the mountain;1102860]i feel like i am getting the socratic method here.

you have a lot more knowledge and answers than me.

i always thought Allen did contracts and didnt do the drafting and player evaluating in Tampa. I assume from your comment that he did.

but what has Bruce Allen done to make him a qualified player evaluator?

1st round picks of micheal clayton, carnell williams and gaines adams do not look so great in hind sight. his later rounds dont look great either.

this past FA offseason when he was fully in control for us doesnt look so great. lauvau as a day one priority? porter 4.5 mil per? all the concerns that kept other teams away from hatcher came true .. why didnt we give them the same weight?

why should fans not be disappointed that we have not been told any specific plans to improve on the way our roster is assembled?


if allen really has been a player evaluator for all these years, yes then i would let him have another go at it this year.

But if he hasnt been doing that, then we need to bring in someone who does and can. he had this past year to play GM and he failed to address major issues with this roster that came back to bite us during games and are still issues today.

do you trust bruce allen's ability to evaluate talent? is there no one else better avialable?[/quote]

I don't care what the title is but I want one person in charge of the business of the franchise-stadium operations, marketing, advertising/sponsorship deals, etc and another in charge of football operations. Allen is better suited to fill the role of the former. For the latter, I want someone who's had experience scouting, putting together a draft board, even playing/coaching at the highest level if possible.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1102916]I don't care what the title is but I want one person in charge of the business of the franchise-stadium operations, marketing, advertising/sponsorship deals, etc and another in charge of football operations. Allen is better suited to fill the role of the former. For the latter, I want someone who's had experience scouting, putting together a draft board, even playing/coaching at the highest level if possible.[/QUOTE]

This

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Smoot we need bill Parcells. And mike shanahan and SF are meeting to discuss the HC job.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1102983]Smoot we need bill Parcells. And mike shanahan and SF are meeting to discuss the HC job.[/quote]

Would be a good choice for mike.

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Mike Shanahan is an idiot.
Good luck Frisco, your QB can stay on the field with a blown out knee.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1102916]I don't care what the title is but I want one person in charge of the business of the franchise-stadium operations, marketing, advertising/sponsorship deals, etc and another in charge of football operations. Allen is better suited to fill the role of the former. For the latter, I want someone who's had experience scouting, putting together a draft board, even playing/coaching at the highest level if possible.[/quote]

Perfectly explained and I agree 100%

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1102983]Smoot we need bill Parcells. And mike shanahan and SF are meeting to discuss the HC job.[/quote]

I pretty stunned anyone would even interview Shanny after his run here.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1102999]I pretty stunned anyone would even interview Shanny after his run here.[/quote]

I feel the same. I guess some folks just blame Snyder for the poo-in-the-fan fiasco.

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Mike is a good coach I really believe that.

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[quote=Chico23231;1102996]Perfectly explained and I agree 100%[/quote]

I understand wanting a "Real GM" The danger in just saying that is, we said we wanted that back in 2009. And Snyder said "here you go, Bruce Allen. He's a General Manager with a Super Bowl ring!" And many of us, myself included, got suckered by the label

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[quote=SmootSmack;1103014]I understand wanting a "Real GM" The danger in just saying that is, we said we wanted that back in 2009. And Snyder said "here you go, Bruce Allen. He's a General Manager with a Super Bowl ring!" And many of us, myself included, got suckered by the label[/quote] You got suckered by Snyder, not me. I wasn't impressed with what Allen did with the Raiders or the Bucs. The Raider team that he put together was the Over the Hill Gang all over again. The Bucs team that won the Super Bowl was put together by Tony Dungy. Not once was I excited about Bruce coming to town. We need a GM with a real vision. That is something we don't have here at the moment.

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^its all about structure and [B][I][U]clear[U][/U][/U][/I][/B] understanding of roles and responsibilities. I mean, Ive never worked in an nfl organization, but it seems like your breakdown makes sense and my expectation of would be most nfl org would run like that example. Bruce absorbing both was foolish. I'm surprised Dan would actually allow it. Strange. But I also worry about other folks in Dan ear as well who apparently have a voice who clearly shouldn't. What we need is someone in the org who refuses those other voices and opinions.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1103015]You got suckered by Snyder, not me. I wasn't impressed with what Allen did with the Raiders or the Bucs. The Raider team that he put together was the Over the Hill Gang all over again. The Bucs team that won the Super Bowl was put together by Tony Dungy. Not once was I excited about Bruce coming to town. We need a GM with a real vision. That is something we don't have here at the moment.[/quote]

Good for you. I didn't expect Allen to be a great personnel guy, but I expected him to lead the organization better than he has

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[quote=SmootSmack;1103018]Good for you. I didn't expect Allen to be a great personnel guy, but I expected him to lead the organization better than he has[/quote]

Bro, have you not seen the type of winning he has done off the field?

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Dimitroff could be out in ATL
Snyder better snag him if Blank is stupid enough to fire him!


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I don't see us getting him if he is let go. There are too many other teams that need GMs

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How cheap will Orakpo be next year?

Any predictions on where he will be?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1103031]How cheap will Orakpo be next year?

Any predictions on where he will be?[/quote]

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And he deserves all of it.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1102999]I pretty stunned anyone would even interview Shanny after his run here.[/quote]


So why would anyone hire Belichick after his time with the Browns ?

Pete Carroll after his time with the Jets or Patriots ?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1103031]How cheap will Orakpo be next year?

Any predictions on where he will be?[/quote]

Brian Orakpo should have never been tagged the franchise player.....and he greatly under performed....I say offer him a base $5.3 million over two years...if he doesn't want that then let him become a FA. With proper scouting and drafting we can find Orakpo's replacement in the early to mid rounds of the draft.....but his replacement could be on the roster already.

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Get rid of him already

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1103031]How cheap will Orakpo be next year?

Any predictions on where he will be?[/quote]

Time to move on from Rak, as it is time to move on from Bowen, Chester, moss, Paulson, ryan Clarke, and polumbus.

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orakpo is still a good player, but not at $10mill/year.

see what the market offers, then decide what to do. no need to limit your options any earlier than necessary. and right now, his value has never been lower, which means you could get a potential price/performance steal... it just depends on how much other teams are willing to overlook this year in their desperate attempt to find FA pass rushers.

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[quote=That Guy;1103055]orakpo is still a good player, but not at $10mill/year.

see what the market offers, then decide what to do. no need to limit your options any earlier than necessary. and right now, his value has never been lower, which means you could get a potential price/performance steal... it just depends on how much other teams are willing to overlook this year in their desperate attempt to find FA pass rushers.[/quote]

We drafted Trent Murphy who was more productive than Rak, why not give him the position and let him develop? whats cheap too you, guy is 7 million per at the very bottom. Not worth it, doesn't make sense to keep him around

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[quote=Giantone;1103034]So why would anyone hire Belichick after his time with the Browns ?

Pete Carroll after his time with the Jets or Patriots ?[/quote]

Not the same. Belichick didn't poop on everyone and everything on his way out the door. Mike Shanahan's exit was particularly unprofessional, as if he didn't want another job.

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Someone is going to overpay for Rak. I just hope it's not us. Not sure, but I don't think there are a lot DE's on the market this year. I'd pay him 4-5M/year but he is going to get 8-9M on the open market.

I like the guy, but he is an above average DE who flashes elite talent now and again, but just not enough to justify the big paycheck.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/12118296/stuart-scott-espn-anchor-dies-age-49]Stuart Scott, ESPN anchor, dies at age of 49 - ESPN[/url] Sad news , Stuart Scott has passed .... R.I.P. Mr. Scott .

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That one hurts a lot. Stuart meant a lot to me

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[quote=Chico23231;1103058]We drafted Trent Murphy who was more productive than Rak, why not give him the position and let him develop? whats cheap too you, guy is 7 million per at the very bottom. Not worth it, doesn't make sense to keep him around[/quote]

again, why anoint someone and limit your options? at 7mill i'd pass on rak. it's only on the outside chance we can get him for $4-6mill that it'd be an actual option. otherwise we can look elsewhere. even without rak, i wouldn't just declare murphy as the starter. there's no upside in that, 9 months away from a real game.

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[quote=budw38;1103063][url=http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/12118296/stuart-scott-espn-anchor-dies-age-49]Stuart Scott, ESPN anchor, dies at age of 49 - ESPN[/url] Sad news , Stuart Scott has passed .... R.I.P. Mr. Scott .[/quote]

That is super sad, and not just because he was my favorite. Too young to go.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1103070]That one hurts a lot. Stuart meant a lot to me[/QUOTE]
Sorry man

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[quote=budw38;1103063][url=http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/12118296/stuart-scott-espn-anchor-dies-age-49]Stuart Scott, ESPN anchor, dies at age of 49 - ESPN[/url] Sad news , Stuart Scott has passed .... R.I.P. Mr. Scott .[/quote]

I've never been a hardcore follower of the national sports media since DC rarely ever gets some love from them, but he was more enjoyable to watch than guys like Joe Buck, or Mike Milbury/Jeremy Roenick/Pierre McGuire, or even Colin Cowherd, whose goal in life seems to be how many outrageous statements he can make to get people to tune in. RIP Stuart Scott, and sorry for your loss SS.

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49 is way too young to die. Very sad news today.

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Scott was transformative of sports reporting, and by all accounts a good man and devoted father. Sad day.