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Rivers for the win.

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I like Rivers and welcome that trade scenario: (Rivers, 2015 1st and 2nd for our #5 overall) However have you seen Rivers run lately? His knees will not allow him to play until 37. Great QB, but he runs with great pain now. His knees have been bad for a few years now. It would be great and maybe wishful thinking to think he may play until 37.
We have all heard the rumors Drew Brees might be available.?.?.
I like his chances of playing far into his years more than Rivers. I know the price to get Brees might be obscene. But if MM is there at #5 ......you never know what could happen.

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Yes on Rivers. He can play behind our line, you buy yourself 2-4 years to get the QB of the future and you can continue to rebuild. SD's 17th pick is not too shabby either. Plus Gruden gets his pocket QB.

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I really like rivers, I'm a little torn just because I feel like I've seen this movie before. Unfortunately I think the Titans would probably be the team that offer would go too. Because we get the 17 pick along with rivers I would lean yes.

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Rivers is in the last year of his contract, with a cap hit of $17.4 million dollars in 2015, so no unless he extends the contract

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[quote=Hog1;1109843]According to Kevin and Thom, SD is offering Phillip Rivers and their first rounder for a top 5 pick this draft...
You in?[/quote]

Yes please.

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Work out some details and..........
Hell Yes!!

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[quote=Chico23231;1109868]I really like rivers, I'm a little torn just because I feel like [B]I've seen this movie before[/B]. Unfortunately I think the Titans would probably be the team that offer would go too. Because we get the 17 pick along with rivers I would lean yes.[/quote]

I hope you don't mean the McNabb trade, this is a completely different situation.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1109869]Rivers is in the last year of his contract, with a cap hit of $17.4 million dollars in 2015, so no unless he extends the contract[/quote]

Renegotiate-and-trade. Happens all the time.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1109872]I hope you don't mean the McNabb trade, this is a completely different situation.[/quote]

2 qbs, both 33 years old being trading away...let me emphasize being traded away...let me emphasize the San Diego Chargers are picking up the phone calling folks...both pro bowl, face of the franchise, both with decent success on the only team they've ever been on...come on, this doesn't seem familiar?

I love rivers, love the dude, but I have concerns. And i totally think he is a better passer than mcnabb ever was but still It's reasonable

You know it just pisses me the fuck off we can't fucking develop either one of the qbs we just drafted 3 years ago.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000479944/article/philip-rivers-to-be-chargers-qb-for-foreseeable-future]Philip Rivers to be Chargers' QB for foreseeable future - NFL.com[/url]

Wonder if the Chargers are being serious or just trying to inflate his value? I guess thats always the problem when a GM/team says something.

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[quote=Chico23231;1109875]2 qbs, both 33 years old being trading away...let me emphasize being traded away...let me emphasize the San Diego Chargers are picking up the phone calling folks...both pro bowl, face of the franchise, both with decent success on the only team they've ever been on...come on, this doesn't seem familiar?

I love rivers, love the dude, but I have concerns. And i totally think he is a better passer than mcnabb ever was but still It's reasonable

You know it just pisses me the fuck off we can't fucking develop either one of the qbs we just drafted 3 years ago.[/quote]

McNabb had a bad year before being traded to us, Rivers had a terrific year without a lot of good receivers or a running game.

I think giving up our #5 for Rivers [U][B]and their #17[/B][/U] is a big difference than giving up what we did for McNabb.

Dropping down to #17 gives us some options in getting players in areas of need (safety or OL) and getting Rivers gives the team the opportunity to develop some of our young o-linemen. Hell, if the team believes that much in Cousins, they can even develop him behind Rivers.

As with any trade, FA acquisition, and draft pick, there are always risks. And SD is blowing up their team and Rivers is not committing to them beyond this upcoming season due to the possible move to LA. Big difference than when the Iggles were trying to unload McNabb b/c they saw the writing on the wall for him.

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I don't like this idea in so many ways.

First of all, the Chargers have a much better team, both offensively and defensively, than we do. Rivers almost certainly wouldn't be as successful here as in San Diego.

Second, the guy is 33 years old. How much longer is he really going to play at a high level? Someone pointed to Brady's longevity, but that's like saying that because Darrell Green played 'til he was 42 Hall can do the same. Poor argument. Of course, that was also the same guy that said Blanda retired at 65. :D

Third, there's the salary/contract issue. He has one year left on his current contract. Once that expires, are you really going to want to pay a declining 34 year old QB the kind of insane salaries QBs make these days? If he'd accept, you could sign him to more of an easily escapable year-to-year deal, but even then, what if he flops after a year or two? Then you're basically missing out on the best crop of edge rushers to come out in some time in exchange for a few years worth of good QB play that almost certainly won't get you to the playoffs anyway. Potentially elite pass rusher for the next 10 years or a QB who you may or may not get a few good years out of? Easy choice. Lotus mentioned a "renegotiate-and-trade", but what kind of salary is Rivers going to take if he knows he's coming to Washington? ( Also [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/17/philip-rivers-wont-sign-a-new-contract-before-his-current-one-expires/"]this[/URL].)

Finally, I though Scot was here to build up the team the "right way", through the draft. Then he trades the #5 overall pick for a declining 33 year old QB? Wat.

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I don't think we should go out of our way to get Rivers. But if the offer is right, we can get him without affecting our rebuilding so much.

Rivers has thrown for over 4,000 yds and over 30 TDs in the past two seasons, so he's far from declining.

I don't think getting Rivers will equal a winning season and playoff/SB run. But if we don't have to give up a lot, other than dropping from #5 to #17, we can have a QB that can make our offense decent and help our young players on the offense to develop (especially those in the OL).

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[quote=Ruhskins;1109880]I don't think we should go out of our way to get Rivers. But if the offer is right, we can get him without affecting our rebuilding so much.

Rivers has thrown for over 4,000 yds and over 30 TDs in the past two seasons, so he's far from declining.

I don't think getting Rivers will equal a winning season and playoff/SB run. But if we don't have to give up a lot, other than dropping from #5 to #17, we can have a QB that can make our offense decent and help our young players on the offense to develop (especially those in the OL).[/quote]

Why is San Diego moving on from him? Why is sd proactively trying to move rivers? Not very classy IMO

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[quote=Ruhskins;1109880]I don't think we should go out of our way to get Rivers. But if the offer is right, we can get him without affecting our rebuilding so much.

Rivers has thrown for over 4,000 yds and over 30 TDs in the past two seasons, so he's far from declining.

I don't think getting Rivers will equal a winning season and playoff/SB run. But if we don't have to give up a lot, other than dropping from #5 to #17, we can have a QB that can make our offense decent and help our young players on the offense to develop (especially those in the OL).[/quote]

I think Rivers and #17 is enough for #5. Also, I think it is possible that we could have a winning season in 2015 with him at QB. We have some very good receivers and a decent running game. With a good QB, we could put up a lot of points and win more close games and even shootouts.

One other thing that I don't think has been mentioned in regard to this is that having Rivers might just be enough to convince DJax (and possibly others) to stick around after next season.

If there is any truth to this rumor, then it could make the draft even more interesting.

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I remember several years ago everybody was saying Rivers was done....

Ill say this: [B]IM GOOD AS LONG AS SCOTT McC IS 100% BEHIND THIS MOVE AND SIGNS OFF ON IT[/B]

Because we all know what this would look like, another Snyder absolute shit move...another effing mistake at the hands of Snyder and his bs "yes" men in the FO. Persception is reality

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1109899]I think Rivers and #17 is enough for #5. Also, I think it is possible that we could have a winning season in 2015 with him at QB. We have some very good receivers and a decent running game. With a good QB, we could put up a lot of points and win more close games and even shootouts.

One other thing that I don't think has been mentioned in regard to this is that having Rivers might just be enough to convince DJax (and possibly others) to stick around after next season.

If there is any truth to this rumor, then it could make the draft even more interesting.[/quote]

Throw a 2nd on there and then we can talk. (Possibly)

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[quote=Ruhskins;1109880][B]I don't think we should go out of our way to get Rivers. But if the offer is right, we can get him without affecting our rebuilding so much.[/B]

Rivers has thrown for over 4,000 yds and over 30 TDs in the past two seasons, so he's far from declining.

I don't think getting Rivers will equal a winning season and playoff/SB run. But if we don't have to give up a lot, other than dropping from #5 to #17, we can have a QB that can make our offense decent and help our young players on the offense to develop (especially those in the OL).[/quote]

This.

Rivers would not be a long-term solution. But, for the short term, we have no starting QB's at all and Rivers would fix this without setting us back too much.

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[quote=Chico23231;1109905]I remember several years ago everybody was saying Rivers was done....

Ill say this: [B]IM GOOD AS LONG AS SCOTT McC IS 100% BEHIND THIS MOVE AND SIGNS OFF ON IT[/B]

Because we all know what this would look like, another Snyder absolute shit move...another effing mistake at the hands of Snyder and his bs "yes" men in the FO. Persception is reality[/quote]

Everyone is an idiot. Rivers is nowhere near done

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[quote=SmootSmack;1109911]Everyone is an idiot. Rivers is nowhere near done[/quote]

you remember that season though...2012? First year Norv was gone I believe? Lot of those talking heads on tv and radio

Like I said, its concerning San Diego is willing to move on to say a project QB as is Mariota.

Lastly, if San Diego 1st round pick is not in the deal, then absolutly no way.

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[quote=Chico23231;1109912]you remember that season though...2012? First year Norv was gone I believe? Lot of those talking heads on tv and radio

Like I said, its concerning San Diego is willing to move on to say a project QB as is Mariota.

Lastly, if San Diego 1st round pick is not in the deal, then absolutly no way.[/quote]

When was the SD first round pick not in the deal? The rumor is that SD is offering Rivers and their first round pick for a top 5 pick. Or, did you mean their 2016 first round pick, as well?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1109913]When was the SD first round pick not in the deal? The rumor is that SD is offering Rivers and their first round pick for a top 5 pick. Or, did you mean their 2016 first round pick, as well?[/quote]

Im saying this year first round pick is a must, anything less is a non negotiable.

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So now we're like Denver and pick up the proven, salty vet to make our super bowl run with.....
Yea right.......

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[quote=Chico23231;1109912]you remember that season though...2012? First year Norv was gone I believe? Lot of those talking heads on tv and radio

Like I said, its concerning San Diego is willing to move on to say a project QB as is Mariota.

Lastly, if San Diego 1st round pick is not in the deal, then absolutly no way.[/quote]

First, I don't think it's going to happen. A) I have not heard that the Redskins are even interested and B) Why would he not want to move 1 hour to LA, yet he's fine moving cross country to DC?

But if he is unhappy at the prospect of moving to LA? Then yeah if I'm the Chargers I think maybe I can move him instead of just losing him and we can pick up a young franchise guy like Mariota, a Pac 12 guy from Hawaii so he'll obviously have a large following out west, particulary LA, and make him the cornerstone for our "new" franchise in Los Angeles.

And If I'm the Redskins I've got a veteran QB who hasn't missed a game in 9 years (I think), hasn't thrown for less than 25 TDs in the past 7 seasons. And I get a 1st round pick at least. Plus, I can now comfortably shop either RG3 or Kirk (it won't be Kirk) and accumulate more assets. And maybe with one of those I draft a young QB. And thank you Colt, but I don't really need your services anymore if I can get Rivers, Kirk, and a rookie QB

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To your B point, isnt that crazy? I heard McLovin on DP show say the samething of Rivers not wanting to move to LA...its tough to believe. Good point of Mariota being a Pac 12 guy....but I really dont think he is that good. To me, making a move for Winston makes more sense.

Getting the 1st round pick with Rivers makes the difference...cause Im not about this life of trading 3 first round picks in the last 5 years.

To me, if this is the rumor, then the Titans makes so much more sense.

Also heard Brees is being shopped to move up in the draft as well. Lotta smoke out there, but interesting with all these big names.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1109916]First, I don't think it's going to happen. A) I have not heard that the Redskins are even interested and B) Why would he not want to move 1 hour to LA, yet he's fine moving cross country to DC?

But if he is unhappy at the prospect of moving to LA? Then yeah if I'm the Chargers I think maybe I can move him instead of just losing him and we can pick up a young franchise guy like Mariota, a Pac 12 guy from Hawaii so he'll obviously have a large following out west, particulary LA, and make him the cornerstone for our "new" franchise in Los Angeles.

And If I'm the Redskins I've got a veteran QB who hasn't missed a game in 9 years (I think), hasn't thrown for less than 25 TDs in the past 7 seasons. And I get a 1st round pick at least. Plus, I can now comfortably shop either RG3 or Kirk (it won't be Kirk) and accumulate more assets. And maybe with one of those I draft a young QB. And thank you Colt, but I don't really need your services anymore if I can get Rivers, Kirk, and a rookie QB[/quote]


I don't know why the "it won't be Kirk comment made me laugh so hard

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[quote=Chico23231;1109914]Im saying this year first round pick is a must, anything less is a non negotiable.[/quote]

You must have misunderstood something along the way. They already offered their 1st round pick along with Rivers, according to the rumor. They certainly can't get away with backing off of that and trying to pay less, if that's what you're thinking they might try to do.

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Nobody said that the Chargers wanted a top 5 pick so they could draft a QB. It's possible that they just don't want to lose Rivers without getting something for him and they feel that they can get an outstanding player in the top 5.

I'm not sure that Tenn necessarily factors into this rumored attempt to trade Rivers. I keep thinking back to another rumor I read about where Chip Kelly wanted to move up to get the #2 pick using Foles as bait. According to that rumor, Tenn told Chip to go get Bradford and then they would talk to him about trading the #2 pick. For all we know, Philly and Tenn could already have a handshake deal.

My point is that both of these rumored trades could go down on or before draft day.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1109916]First, I don't think it's going to happen. A) I have not heard that the Redskins are even interested and B) Why would he not want to move 1 hour to LA, yet he's fine moving cross country to DC?

But if he is unhappy at the prospect of moving to LA? Then yeah if I'm the Chargers I think maybe I can move him instead of just losing him and we can pick up a young franchise guy like Mariota, a Pac 12 guy from Hawaii so he'll obviously have a large following out west, particulary LA, and make him the cornerstone for our "new" franchise in Los Angeles.

And If I'm the Redskins I've got a veteran QB who hasn't missed a game in 9 years (I think), hasn't thrown for less than 25 TDs in the past 7 seasons. And I get a 1st round pick at least. Plus, I can now comfortably shop either RG3 or Kirk (it won't be Kirk) and accumulate more assets. And maybe with one of those I draft a young QB. And thank you Colt, but I don't really need your services anymore if I can get Rivers, Kirk, and a rookie QB[/quote]

So you're pretty confident we jettison RG3 this year?

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I would like if we drafted this guy 5th or later. He's played CB and Safety.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/2015-Combine-workout-Josh-Shaw/f6a21ec9-0905-45cf-a84a-0bdcdc0c369d]2015 Combine workout: Josh Shaw[/url]

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1109946]I would like if we drafted this guy 5th or later. He's played CB and Safety.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/2015-Combine-workout-Josh-Shaw/f6a21ec9-0905-45cf-a84a-0bdcdc0c369d]2015 Combine workout: Josh Shaw[/url][/quote]

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/usc-football-star-josh-shaws-story-unraveled/story?id=25162688]How USC Football Star Josh Shaw's Story Unraveled - ABC News[/url]

are you sure you want him ?

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^He's human... we've all done things we regret. And from what I've read about him and the whole situation, I seriously doubt this kind of issue ever surfaces again. If he can play, well, we need secondary help.

[URL="http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24803624/uscs-josh-shaw-opens-up-about-his-lie-and-what-really-happened"]Here's a link[/URL] with more info.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1109930]So you're pretty confident we jettison RG3 this year?[/quote]

If u bought a rg3 jersey, put that ish on eBay. And get a cousins one....or is there someone else we aren't talkin bout?

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[quote=Chico23231;1109949]If u bought a rg3 jersey, put that ish on eBay. And get a cousins one....or is there someone else we aren't talkin bout?[/quote]

Not a chance, bro. I won't even get rid of my Ryan Torain jersey.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1109950]Not a chance, bro. I won't even get rid of my Ryan Torain jersey.[/quote]do you seriously have a torain jersey?

that's almost as bad as a chris horton... i think i've seen 2 or 3 chris horton jerseys outside of fedex field.

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When talk of Ryan Torain.....broaches the WP.....
the Doldrums of the off season have arrived

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[quote=los panda;1109951]do you seriously have a torain jersey?

that's almost as bad as a chris horton... i think i've seen 2 or 3 chris horton jerseys outside of fedex field.[/quote]

I sadly do. I bought it right before that sloppy, rainy Bucs game in 2010. I was at the stadium that day, and for those few hours when Torain set an NFL rushing record for the most yards amassed in a half, I was a god.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1109954]I sadly do. I bought it right before that sloppy, rainy Bucs game in 2010. I was at the stadium that day, and for those few hours when Torain set an NFL rushing record for the most yards amassed in a half, I was a god.[/quote] i don't remember any of this but i cannot blame you. and i was on the torain wagon!

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[quote=mbedner3420;1109930]So you're pretty confident we jettison RG3 this year?[/quote]

If we don't move him, it won't be for lack of trying. I can tell you that with 95% certainty