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[quote=SirLK26;1105781][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/1/21/7866963/olb-coach-brian-baker-says-he-will-not-be-brought-back-next-season]OLB Coach Brian Baker Says He Will Not Be Brought Back Next Season - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

Baker put a heavy emphasis on teaching technique, angles, hand fighting, and forcing turnovers during training camp and throughout the year. Ryan Kerrigan consistently praised Baker's influence before, during and after the season. Kerrigan finished the best year of his career with 13.5 sacks(7th in NFL) and 5 forced fumbles(T-1st in NFL). On the other side of the ball, Brian Orakpo had a down year with several injuries, finishing with only .5 sacks and on IR. [B] Orakpo was reportedly not as receptive to Baker's instructions[/B]. Rookie Trent Murphy replaced Orakpo and started 8 games, finishing with 2.5 sacks and 2 forced fumbles.

^^^ this is so disappointing to hear if correct. as a casual fan you can see orakpo never tried to improve or grow. he just wanted to use the same exact move over and over again .. that outside power rush.

i feel like he tried to get to the Qb every play, whether it was a pass or run.

so much potential for orakpo, hes gone the lavar arrignton route.

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[quote=FRPLG;1105777]What do you mean by "And what do you mean 'unproven'?" I didn't say that. I think your're smart enough to know I meant someone with a more proven track-record of success.[/quote]

I was responding as much to what you wrote as to what others have written; which is basically criticizing the critics of the move using the straw man argument that those who are against this move are against it because they're angry that the Redskins did not sign a big name defensive coordinator or one with a stronger track record.

I'm not disappointed in this move because Barry is unproven. While I would have liked a proven coordinator to get this defense to a respectable level until the team puts itself in a strong enough position to make a high-risk-high-reward move, I would have been okay with a guy who hasn't yet had a chance to prove that he can be a good coordinator in this league. That's not he case with Barry. What more evidence could a person possibly need to be convinced that a coordinator is not good? He had a chance. He could not have done worse. I repeat, he could not have done worse. And I don't mean in an "anyone is better than Haslett" argument. I mean, literally, the man could not have done worse. There were 31 other defensive coordinators in the league, all of whom did better than him in both points allowed and yards allowed for two full seasons.

As far suggesting that people take it easy and relax because there's nothing as fans we can do about it... that's great as your prerogative, but do you want this website to be a banner of propaganda, or do you want honest discussion? Because if it's the latter you want, then don't complain about other people complaining. I'm as tired of it as anyone else, but I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and tell myself to be happy with an obviously bone-headed hire because someday we won't suck. You wrote that "this team will suck until...well... it doesn't." You're much more optimistic than I am. After hires like this, I'm more in the camp that "this team will suck until I die." And I'm never going to stop complaining.

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For what it's worth:

[url=http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=washington-redskins&id=14845&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fbh1ZiIsaEb%22%7D]NFL Jarret Johnson high on Redskins defensive coordinator Joe Barry - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;1105691]I believe Jay said 3-4 today[/quote]

Right.

I should have been more specific.

Any notions out there whether Barry's 3 down lineman in the base defense play pass rush as a priority or occupy blockers as a priority?

What changes in philosophy can we expect from last years base strategy?

Probably too early to know without a track record as a coordinator but I'm really interested in the changes to expect. (Probably also speculative without knowing what talent will be here at what positions.)

I really liked the philosophy Wade Phillips followed in his 3-4 schemes. Get the big guys in the QB's face asap.

I haven't seen any articles or interviews addressing it.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1105809]Right.

I should have been more specific.

Any notions out there whether Barry's 3 down lineman in the base defense play pass rush as a priority or occupy blockers as a priority?

What changes in philosophy can we expect from last years base strategy?

Probably too early to know without a track record as a coordinator but I'm really interested in the changes to expect. (Probably also speculative without knowing what talent will be here at what positions.)

I really liked the philosophy Wade Phillips followed in his 3-4 schemes. Get the big guys in the QB's face asap.

I haven't seen any articles or interviews addressing it.[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/01/21/previewing-joe-barry-as-redskins-defensive-coordinator/]Here’s a look at what Joe Barry’s Redskins defense might look like - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;1105682]I don't think he was. I can't say for sure, but people I talk to within and close to the Redskins always left me with the impression that talks were never very serious re: Wade[/quote]

Jason Reid thinks otherwise

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Giving the guy a chance and being upset about the hire are not at all mutually exclusive. We will all be giving the guy a chance because what choice do we have? So please drop that useless rhetoric.

The question isn't what kind of job he'll do, the question is how did we make this hiring decision?

We made it by going with yet another coach Jay is familiar with, despite a much more accomplished coach with a proven record of quick fixing being available.

You can't freak out at the hire till you see the result, so please stifle the obvious give the guy a chance statements. The problem is we once again closed ourselves off to a new way of thinking and again went with someone we know.

It's just another example of why I think Jay Gruden is destined for failure, no commitment to surrounding himself with the best, only with what he knows.

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At this point, I just hope our defense doesn't look like this next season:
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A scary precedent was set with Danny Smith. ST was bad with Smith, blocked kicks, so many block-in-back penalties.... then Smith left and we went with a no name coach from bad to horrible. Now we finally got rid of Haslett, and we bring in... another no name.

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I can't believe it...they axed one of the best assistants we have...probably the best...Brian Baker LB coach is gone!!
It just keeps getting better and better!

Here's another story on that

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/01/21/redskins-part-ways-with-assistant-brian-baker/]Redskins part ways with assistant Brian Baker - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=skinsnut;1105814]I can't believe it...they axed one of the best assistants we have...probably the best...Brian Baker LB coach is gone!!
It just keeps getting better and better!

Here's another story on that

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/01/21/redskins-part-ways-with-assistant-brian-baker/]Redskins part ways with assistant Brian Baker - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Likely Fangio would have done the same.

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I believe Barry will be able to improve The D next year..first of all I expect at least 4 new starters on The D ..(between FA and draft) Also what would everybody say if HAZ winds up on another team next year and has a top 10 D ..it could happen! its the players !! we need players first then you can coach them up..Look at Andy Reid, he got run out of philly because they were losing only to take the chiefs to there best season in a long time..same coach different players..I don't care how good our D is …without a TOP QB NONE OF IT MATTERS ANYWAY..the best D player on the team is The QB ..if he can keep drives going and score points that is a HUGE advantage to the D ..more than any single D player can provide..think about it.

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I'm fired up, Joe Barry will do just fine as soon as Scot gets him some help.

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[quote=Mattyk;1105810][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/01/21/previewing-joe-barry-as-redskins-defensive-coordinator/]Here’s a look at what Joe Barry’s Redskins defense might look like - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Great. Thanks.

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Brandon Flowers is familiar with this D and is a FA, maybe he will follow Barry to Washington.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1105820]Brandon Flowers is familiar with this D and is a FA, maybe he will follow Barry to Washington.[/quote]

Decent player and probably at a decent price. Wouldn't mind him opposite breeland

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sounds like barry's 3-4 is one gap like WP's... which is good, since our NT isn't very good at eating blocks.

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[quote=Schneed10;1105811]Jason Reid thinks otherwise[/quote]

Wouldn't be the first time Reid and I heard different stuff. He also once said the Redskins planned on going hard after Julius Peppers.

Someone else said not true...and here we are

All seriousness though, Reid is one of the best out there and I'm just saying we've been told different things here

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I have a question regarding Wade Phillips. Why is it that with all the current DC openings no one is knocking on his door?

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something is not being said about WP. He apparently wanted the job and......

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I don't want to be married to this scheme or that. A green defense and a new coach need to do what is best help the players win. I don't care where they line up before the snap, that should and will need to evolve.
Back in the day, when Richie Petitbone was DC we lined up in a different formation for each down/situation and substituted like crazy. Culminating in a Dime that had DE Charles Mann over the center, Jumpy Geathers over the guard and LB Wilber Marshall & DE Fred Stokes bring the heat from the edge. That defense had 9 guys with 3 or more sacks. Playing team defense and keeping guys fresh. Not having one (Ryan Kerrigan) or two guys have 12+ sacks.
Last season Seattle Seahawks sack leader Michael Bennet had 7 sacks, but 11 players registered a sack.

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Per Michael C. Wright (Bears/NFL reporter for ESPN): Heard Fangio wanted to bring Donatell to Redskins, but they wanted to keep Raheem Morris... hence Chicago.

We missed out on Fangio because of Raheem!?!!?! All I can say is.... WOW!! Come on man!!!

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[quote=dej733;1105830]Per Michael C. Wright (Bears/NFL reporter for ESPN): Heard Fangio wanted to bring Donatell to Redskins, but they wanted to keep Raheem Morris... hence Chicago.

We missed out on Fangio because of Raheem!?!!?! All I can say is.... WOW!! Come on man!!![/quote]

This can not be f*cking true.

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[quote=dej733;1105830]Per Michael C. Wright (Bears/NFL reporter for ESPN): Heard Fangio wanted to bring Donatell to Redskins, but they wanted to keep Raheem Morris... hence Chicago.

We missed out on Fangio because of Raheem!?!!?! All I can say is.... WOW!! Come on man!!![/quote]

No this can't be true because I don't want to break everything in my house right now.

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[quote=dej733;1105830]Per Michael C. Wright (Bears/NFL reporter for ESPN): Heard Fangio wanted to bring Donatell to Redskins, but they wanted to keep Raheem Morris... hence Chicago.

We missed out on Fangio because of Raheem!?!!?! All I can say is.... WOW!! Come on man!!![/quote]

This is crazy. But I've heard some many wrong stuff about this coordinator search, I don't know what to believe anymore.

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That rumor was posted on Rich Tandler's website 3 hours ago, however no comment from Rich, Keim, Adam S., so who knows. There's also a rumor floating around that Haslett quit on Gruden and Morris was running the D for a few games and also wAnted to be assistant HC/DC.

Update from Keim:

was told it wasn't.

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[quote=Chico23231;1105832]No this can't be true because I don't want to break everything in my house right now.[/quote]

lololol ... good one Chico! Milk came up my nose on that one. Pretty much exactly how I feel.


You want to know what State I live in?

Denial.

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[quote=dej733;1105830]Per Michael C. Wright (Bears/NFL reporter for ESPN): Heard Fangio wanted to bring Donatell to Redskins, but they wanted to keep Raheem Morris... hence Chicago.

We missed out on Fangio because of Raheem!?!!?! All I can say is.... WOW!! Come on man!!![/quote]

I hope SSmack or someone can shed some light on this. Hopefully it's bs. Morris must have some pics of Snyder and Allen buck naked spooning or something.

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[quote=dej733;1105830]Per Michael C. Wright (Bears/NFL reporter for ESPN): Heard Fangio wanted to bring Donatell to Redskins, but they wanted to keep Raheem Morris... hence Chicago.

We missed out on Fangio because of Raheem!?!!?! All I can say is.... WOW!! Come on man!!![/quote]

Michael C. Wright is not a credible source.

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Keim's sources (whomever they may be) say DC candidates could bring whomever they wanted (not clear if that meant they could fire Morris).

Mike Wright indicates he received a text from an unnamed coach who gave him the Fangio/Morris story. Wright currently works out of Chicago but covered the Skins during Cerrato days (per Wright's twitter).


[quote]John Keim ‏@john_keim · 17 minutes ago
“@NBCdianna: Told candidates for the Redskins DC job were all told they can bring in any assistants they wanted.” ditto[/quote]

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Not sure I entirely agree but I get the sentiment:

[quote]RDPinRVA ‏@UVApolitics87 · 41 seconds ago
@BurgundyBlog Doesn't matter whether it's true or not, the fact that this rumor exists is one reason why the #Redskins are a joke[/quote]

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The DC search has been in my opinion/perspective, one of the most misreported Redskins story that I can think of.

There's the whole deal about how much Phillips was interested in the job. A report a week ago that Joe Barry had been hired, when he wasn't. Then JLC's report that he was expecting Fangio and Donatell to join the staff, then he didn't. Now this story about the Redskins not wanting Donatell, even though they interviewed him for the DC position.

In this case, I'm willing to give the Redskins the benefit of the doubt and say this isn't true.

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[quote=Chico23231;1105832]No this can't be true because I don't want to break everything in my house right now.[/quote]

All these beat reporters say they were told the DC could bring whoever. The real people who know say this:


[B] @JsteelznSkins · 2h 2 hours ago

Forget the side stories. Why Vic didn't , who the skins would fire, who touched who. End of day They got the man they wanted all along
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@JsteelznSkins · 6h 6 hours ago

So you guys thought Haz called that defense all by himself? Hurtful truth is he quit. Jay didn't go from wanting him to mutal.
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@JsteelznSkins · 6h 6 hours ago

Haz didn't think we could improve and took his year and left. Morris was just as much as play calling as Haz. But let me side step
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@JsteelznSkins · 10h 10 hours ago

That Man wanted the job.. But he 2 old. But you try to sell Barry as the man. Other teams like Broncos bringing in Wade 4 a talk.
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@JsteelznSkins

You hire Barry to run a Wade Phillips type defense. You hope he can do it. You don't hire Phillips cause he is old. Think on that
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@Chris_Worthy_

@OckTheShocka Nope its the truth. Rah is Bruce and Jay's guy. they didnt want one of the top DC in the NFL they wanted Barry and Rah
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@Chris_Worthy_ · 5h 5 hours ago

You giving Barry control over his staff (with Baker release) but you gonna tell VIc he got to keep Rah on his?
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@Chris_Worthy_ · 5h 5 hours ago

Bruce and Jay sucks. Dan needs to build a rapport with Scot and find a way to separate himself from BA. that dude is Vinny 2.0[/B]
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Yup, I think I'm about done with Jay Gruden as a coach...lol Haz didn't get fired, he quit because he didn't think we could improve...haha What does this say about this organization? Holy fuck sticks. I hope Wade gets the Denver job and wins a Super Bowl. As for Jay and Bruce. These fucking bums stealing Dan's money.

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[quote=dej733;1105830]Per Michael C. Wright (Bears/NFL reporter for ESPN): Heard Fangio wanted to bring Donatell to Redskins, but they wanted to keep Raheem Morris... hence Chicago.

We missed out on Fangio because of Raheem!?!!?! All I can say is.... WOW!! Come on man!!![/quote]

Any Validity to this? Doesn't sound like it, hey, same time, sounds like the Redskins! Lol...
Oh well, fuck it, maybe Raheem wasn't as big a problem as we thought he was... I blame it all on Has not if I can, shit.

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[quote=Meks;1105865]Any Validity to this? Doesn't sound like it, hey, same time, sounds like the Redskins! Lol...
[B]Oh well, fuck it, maybe Raheem wasn't as big a problem as we thought he was... I blame it all on Has not if I can, shit[/B].[/quote]

I think you need to read the tweets posted above by Jsteelz about Raheem calling some of the defense.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1105866]I think you need to read the tweets posted above by Jsteelz about Raheem calling some of the defense.[/quote]

Wait, are you really taking all these Tweets you posted seriously?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1105867]Wait, are you really taking all these Tweets you posted seriously?[/quote]


Jsteelz is about as connected as anybody when it comes to the Skins.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1105868]Jsteelz is about as connected as anybody when it comes to the Skins.[/quote]

Wow, you are serious. I'd rather stick to actual reporters like Keim. Jsteelz sounds more like a disgruntled fan.

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I don't know what to believe anymore, but it's not like it matters. Like a captain, I'm going to go down with this sinking ship. I just hope that it's not as bad as it seems.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1105869]Wow, you are serious. I'd rather stick to actual reporters like Keim. Jsteelz sounds more like a disgruntled fan.[/quote]

You listen to SS don't you? Jsteelz may sound disgruntled, but he knows what he's talking about.






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