Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1138142]If we let garçon go which I hope we don't but if we did, would anyone like Jermaine Kearse? Word is he won't be back in Seattle.[/quote]Depends on the money.

I don't think Garcon is anything special and he doesn't play to dollar imo.
Garcon is great after the catch, works hard/blocks...appears like a team guy, locker room guy.

But...Garcon isn't a deep threat, doesn't high point the ball well, doesn't gain great separation, doesn't easily/consistently beat press man without scheme help.

I don't think Kearse is an upgrade. Chop-chop has inconsistent hands and has some of the same issues as Garcon. But Kearse is a deep threat, can high point the ball and should cost much, much less.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[QUOTE=30gut;1138146]Depends on the money.

I don't think Garcon is anything special and he doesn't play to dollar imo.
Garcon is great after the catch, works hard/blocks...appears like a team guy, locker room guy.

But...Garcon isn't a deep threat, doesn't high point the ball well, doesn't gain great separation, doesn't easily/consistently beat press man without scheme help.

I don't think Kearse is an upgrade. Chop-chop has inconsistent hands and has some of the same issues as Garcon. But Kearse is a deep threat, can high point the ball and should cost much, much less.[/QUOTE]
I like PG he's a great team guy it appears and he does do the dirty work. Kearse has some upside he played really well this yr.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

Keep Garcon. Sign our own. Pay our own. Win through the draft and by keeping the team together.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

I'm thinking about dumping my wife. She's a good wife but she doesn't high point the ball well anymore. I'm looking for a new wife who's about the same as my current wife but can highpoint the ball. I hope my new wife will be able to get along with the kids.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

I've read through a bit of this thread.

Needs on offense:

C

WR

TE

RB

I dont look at LG as a need. If you remember early in the year in the two games vs the Rams and Dolphins. We had Lauvo as our LG. He was really showing well this season before he was injured. With all the guys we lost he was one of the biggest. It did allow for Long to get acclimated to laying but Shaun was looking to really have a great year next to Trent. I want to see him back in the mix and with Lebrius and Long now both having a season of work there I see them as a great 1-2 G/C backuo combo.

C is a must though. Both Kory and Josh arent terrible but should not be used as the main starter.

WR- Very interested to see what we do with Garcon and Jackson to see how big the immediate need is. If we can keep both with a restructure or extension then great. I would like to keep both. So drafting a big #1 that can be developed is a good idea.

TE- again here we should be getting reinforcements from IR but we still need a guy here

RB- Jones and Thompson will be back. Young should be back. I would like to see Thomas (brought back) and a young guy brought back in.

other than those areas we are good on offense.

DEFENSE

DL-

LB-

CB-

S-


All are needs on defense.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1138154]I've read through a bit of this thread.



Needs on offense:



C



WR



TE



RB



I dont look at LG as a need. If you remember early in the year in the two games vs the Rams and Dolphins. We had Lauvo as our LG. He was really showing well this season before he was injured. With all the guys we lost he was one of the biggest. It did allow for Long to get acclimated to laying but Shaun was looking to really have a great year next to Trent. I want to see him back in the mix and with Lebrius and Long now both having a season of work there I see them as a great 1-2 G/C backuo combo.



C is a must though. Both Kory and Josh arent terrible but should not be used as the main starter.



WR- Very interested to see what we do with Garcon and Jackson to see how big the immediate need is. If we can keep both with a restructure or extension then great. I would like to keep both. So drafting a big #1 that can be developed is a good idea.



TE- again here we should be getting reinforcements from IR but we still need a guy here



RB- Jones and Thompson will be back. Young should be back. I would like to see Thomas (brought back) and a young guy brought back in.



other than those areas we are good on offense.



DEFENSE



DL-



LB-



CB-



S-





All are needs on defense.[/QUOTE]


This is exactly what we need and exactly why we need it.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

I think it's clear that we have more needs on defense than on offense. We could handle some of those needs internally just by some players getting healthy, by re-signing a player or two, and perhaps by using a couple of players differently.

If Culliver and Ihenacho recover fully, they might well be starters at CB and SS. If Galette is fully recovered and re-signs with us, he'll start at one OLB spot.

I like the idea of using Preston Smith at DT, at least on passing downs. He is 6-5 and 270 lbs. right now. He could bulk up to 290 lbs. and handle the role that Hatcher wasn't able to fulfill.

You're looking at 3 or 4 upgrades right there.

As for the draft, I think we'll go heavy on defense. That's because our greatest needs are on that side and I still do not buy into the idea that anyone actually drafts purely BPA, no matter how many times they may claim to do so. Sherff was not a BPA pick IMO.

Beyond that, we need to add playmakers on defense to get our D to the next level. Whether we find them in the draft or in FA, it makes no difference to me.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

I guess I'm not the only one that thinks like this, it's a no brainer:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/one-free-agent-makes-ton-sense-redskins?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo]One free agent makes a ton of sense for Redskins | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1138179]I guess I'm not the only one that thinks like this, it's a no brainer:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/one-free-agent-makes-ton-sense-redskins?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo]One free agent makes a ton of sense for Redskins | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

He certainly is an upgrade, but the arguement against, not only did he fall out of the discussion of league top centers this year, but he wants top center money. We shouldn't pay for past performance. And to simply say his decline is due to the inept brown offense...please tell me when it was good? That's a poor excuse and poorly written

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Chico23231;1138183]He certainly is an upgrade, but the arguement against, not only did he fall out of the discussion of league top centers this year, but he wants top center money. We shouldn't pay for past performance. And to simply say his decline is due to the inept brown offense...please tell me when it was good? That's a poor excuse and poorly written[/quote]

The only evaluations I care about are the ones that Scot M. and Bill Callahan do. We're lucky to have such stellar talent evaluators and I trust their judgement completely. If they want him, then I want him.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

Mack is a no brainer as long as the money is right. Doesn't seem like a SM move.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=MTK;1138188]Mack is a no brainer as long as the money is right. Doesn't seem like a SM move.[/quote]

Thats what I'm thinking.
If McClue is who we think he is we can find an equal cheaper in the draft.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;1138191]Thats what I'm thinking.
If McClue is who we think he is we can find an equal cheaper in the draft.[/quote]

Not in this draft.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1138193]Not in this draft.[/quote]

I hear ya, but Centers aint all that....

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1138193]Not in this draft.[/quote]

Actually fairly deep at the position just not a stand out. That said, I don't know if you could draft one and immediately plug him in. Maybe the kid from Notre dame...

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Chico23231;1138197]Actually fairly deep at the position just not a stand out. That said, I don't know if you could draft one and immediately plug him in. Maybe the kid from Notre dame...[/quote]

Only one or two with size we're looking for.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1138179]I guess I'm not the only one that thinks like this, it's a no brainer:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/one-free-agent-makes-ton-sense-redskins?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo]One free agent makes a ton of sense for Redskins | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

It is a no-brainer.....................Not to do it.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

SM likes value signings and guys 27 or younger in free agency. he doesn't fit either of those. not a bad player, just not one that i think we'll be signing.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1138179]I guess I'm not the only one that thinks like this, it's a no brainer:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/one-free-agent-makes-ton-sense-redskins?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo]One free agent makes a ton of sense for Redskins | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

I was getting ready to post this myself. Just the big physical kind of player SM likes. If he doesn't think it's a good move I wouldn't mind drafting Dan Voltz out of Wisconsin in the 3rd or 4th. Big guy..finishes blocks..gets to second level and has NFL strength.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

I think Mack would be great [I][B]IF[/B][/I] at the right price. Sure, he is older but, if we get a couple years out of him while grooming his replacement, yay!

Not sure what the right price would be, but I am betting our "right price" is lower than his "right price" so I don't think it happens ... and that's okay too.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

Cap space is not as abundant for us as people think. Remember, the following need to be considered for resigning (or replacement) this season:

- Cousins
- Knighton
- Gallette
- Will Compton

Plenty of others but they're not cap consequential.

Then next year we'd have to decide whether to resign or replace:

- Garcon
- Perry Riley
- Chris Baker
- Jordan Reed (big $)

So as we think about all of our cap space we have to consider that money needs to be set aside for those guys, and if we're not going pay them, then we have to figure out how we're going to replace them before we consider bringing in an Alex Mack.

It's this kind of long view that leads Scot McCloughan to conclude that the best plan is draft draft draft, and resign your own. Mack is not a fit.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1138224]Cap space is not as abundant for us as people think. Remember, the following need to be considered for resigning (or replacement) this season:



- Cousins

- Knighton

- Gallette

- Will Compton



Plenty of others but they're not cap consequential.



Then next year we'd have to decide whether to resign or replace:



- Garcon

- Perry Riley

- Chris Baker

- Jordan Reed (big $)



So as we think about all of our cap space we have to consider that money needs to be set aside for those guys, and if we're not going pay them, then we have to figure out how we're going to replace them before we consider bringing in an Alex Mack.



It's this kind of long view that leads Scot McCloughan to conclude that the best plan is draft draft draft, and resign your own. Mack is not a fit.[/QUOTE]


Eff Perry Riley. Lol.
Totally agree with this. We do have some re-signing to do with our cap space, but my God its good to have it.
Especially when we have a full compliment of draft picks and arguably the best GM in the league handling that. (It still feels strange to be able to say that). We have only seen one seasons worth of results from such things, wait until we have 2-5 more contributors after this draft! We are witnessing a team being built the right way for the first time in decades. In the first year we won a division title!
Mack does not fit into the process here, unless like JR said - the price is rite, and unless Mack has a hard on to play for the Skins, it will not be his rite price. Oh well, we will get a starting center out of this draft along with some secondary n dline help. Draft happens to be deep in all our areas of need.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Schneed10;1138224]Cap space is not as abundant for us as people think. Remember, the following need to be considered for resigning (or replacement) this season:

- Cousins
- Knighton
- Gallette
- Will Compton

Plenty of others but they're not cap consequential.

Then next year we'd have to decide whether to resign or replace:

- Garcon
- Perry Riley
- Chris Baker
- Jordan Reed (big $)

So as we think about all of our cap space we have to consider that money needs to be set aside for those guys, and if we're not going pay them, then we have to figure out how we're going to replace them before we consider bringing in an Alex Mack.

It's this kind of long view that leads Scot McCloughan to conclude that the best plan is draft draft draft, and resign your own. Mack is not a fit.[/quote]

What sort of contract should we expect on Gallette? Last year was a "prove it" year in which he sat out. I honestly have no idea how McLovin will approach this one from the outside looking in.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Schneed10;1138224]Cap space is not as abundant for us as people think. Remember, the following need to be considered for resigning (or replacement) this season:

- Cousins [COLOR="Red"]Expensive but a wash when you cut RG3, potentially even less once it is spread out[/COLOR]
- Knighton [COLOR="Red"]gone or similar to this year[/COLOR]
- Gallette [COLOR="Red"]very cheap incentive laden deal[/COLOR]
- Will Compton [COLOR="red"][COLOR="Red"]really cheap he is and exclusive rights free agent
[/COLOR][/COLOR]
Plenty of others but they're not cap consequential.

Then next year we'd have to decide whether to resign or replace:

- Garcon [COLOR="Red"] You were great but see you later[/COLOR]
- Perry Riley [COLOR="Red"]never great see you later (draft pick replacement)[/COLOR]
- Chris Baker [COLOR="Red"]Pay that man[/COLOR]
- Jordan Reed (big $) [COLOR="Red"]PAY PAY PAY that man[/COLOR]

So as we think about all of our cap space we have to consider that money needs to be set aside for those guys, and if we're not going pay them, then we have to figure out how we're going to replace them before we consider bringing in an Alex Mack.

It's this kind of long view that leads Scot McCloughan to conclude that the best plan is draft draft draft, and resign your own. Mack is not a fit.[/quote]


We have plenty of room to do whatever we need as long as it is not Albert dumb

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=hutch17;1138234]We have plenty of room to do whatever we need as long as it is not Albert dumb[/quote]

There it is again: PVSD (Post Vinny Stress Disorder)! You've got to try to get over the horrible experience of Dan Snyder and his lackey Vinny running personnel. We've got professionals doing that now. You can learn to trust if you try. Scot is not going to do anything stupid in the personnel arena.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=hutch17;1138234]We have plenty of room to do whatever we need as long as it is not Albert dumb[/quote]

very well said.....irrefutable

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=hutch17;1138234]We have plenty of room to do whatever we need as long as it is not Albert dumb[/quote]

If Mack were good with a two year deal, then sure. And yeah, that would not qualify as Albert dumb (great phrase).

But I don't think Mack would be good with a two year deal. Nor should he be. At the price he'd command (a 4+ year deal worth plenty), it wouldn't be Albert dumb, but it could limit our ability to fill gaps with 2nd tier free agents in 2017 or 2018.

If you keep it to a short deal then fine, but I don't like our chances there.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=hutch17;1138234]We have plenty of room to do whatever we need as long as it is not Albert dumb[/quote]

And keep in mind, while I get your point that Cousins's deal would have a smaller cap hit in the early seasons, it would get exponentially larger in the later seasons.

Let's say he gets 5 years $87.5M ($17.5M per season on avg). Cap hit might be only $12M this year, but could be upwards of $20M by 2019. Have to allow for that to happen in your planning.

I have no problem sniffing on Mack for a short term deal but I don't like getting anybody under contract for any significant amount of money for any year when they'll be 30 or older.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

Not a fan of the Mack idea in general. Decent centers can be drafted in the mid rounds. Without having done one lick of research though I'd still believe we could get an upgrade at the position via that route in round 3-4.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=FRPLG;1138251]Not a fan of the Mack idea in general. Decent centers can be drafted in the mid rounds. Without having done one lick of research though I'd still believe we could get an upgrade at the position via that route in round 3-4.[/quote]

well, at that point, you might be talking about a decent replacement for the 2017 season.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/malik-jackson?id=2532873]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Malik Jackson[/url]

The Redskins need a 5th rounder like ^^^^^^^^^ or sign him as a free agent

Warning! PFF article below, lol
 

[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/20/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season/[/url]

[B][SIZE="5"]11. Washington Redskins (12th)[/SIZE][/B]

Pass-blocking rank: 13th

Run-blocking rank: 15th

Penalties rank: 12th

Stud: Maybe not his best season, but still a lot better than most. Trent Williams showed why he got the new deal.

Dud: After an impressive enough run, it was surprising to see Kory Lichtensteiger struggle so much before he was put on the shelf injured.

Summary: Washington is reaping the rewards of some good drafting. Trent Williams is a lynchpin on the line, but the pleasant surprise is Morgan Moses looking like a longtime starter, while rookie first-rounder Brandon Scherff finished the year incredibly strong. Heading in the right direction.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

Eagles signed Zach Ertz today to a 5-year $42.5M extension with $20M guaranteed. So that's an average of $8.5M per year.

Ertz finished with 75 receptions for 853 yards, which rank 6th and 7th respectively amongst tight ends this year.

This is pertinent because Reed will be a free agent in 2017. Have to figure Reed deserves $10M per year. He's definitely better than Ertz.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Schneed10;1138405]Eagles signed Zach Ertz today to a 5-year $42.5M extension with $20M guaranteed. So that's an average of $8.5M per year.

Ertz finished with 75 receptions for 853 yards, which rank 6th and 7th respectively amongst tight ends this year.

This is pertinent because Reed will be a free agent in 2017. Have to figure Reed deserves $10M per year. He's definitely better than Ertz.[/quote]

Reed needs to stay healthy for a full season before he gets $$$$$$$

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

His price will only go up from here. I'd look to sign him this year.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

Garcon and DJax will be back. Their salary numbers are close to market value for starting WR's.

Crabtree got $35 million over four years with $19 million guaranteed.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Schneed10;1138405]Eagles signed Zach Ertz today to a 5-year $42.5M extension with $20M guaranteed. So that's an average of $8.5M per year.

Ertz finished with 75 receptions for 853 yards, which rank 6th and 7th respectively amongst tight ends this year.

This is pertinent because Reed will be a free agent in 2017. Have to figure Reed deserves $10M per year. He's definitely better than Ertz.[/quote]

sadness for our cap. the problem is this year felt like the only time he was healthy and i think he still missed games. once he gets paid does he revert to the guy that refuses to play with a stubbed toe?

I do like him, and i'd err on the side of paying him, but his injury history is still a concern.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=OmahaRedskins;1138415]Garcon and DJax will be back. Their salary numbers are close to market value for starting WR's.

Crabtree got $35 million over four years with $19 million guaranteed.[/quote]

I wouldnt be so sure.
Garcon isnt getting any younger and Jackson is fragile and did some stupid stuff this year.
Just because the money is good doesnt mean we need to stick.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=That Guy;1138431]sadness for our cap. the problem is this year felt like the only time he was healthy and i think he still missed games. once he gets paid does he revert to the guy that refuses to play with a stubbed toe?

I do like him, and i'd err on the side of paying him, but his injury history is still a concern.[/quote]

Pretty sure McLovin likes him.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1138437]I wouldnt be so sure.

Garcon isnt getting any younger and Jackson is fragile and did some stupid stuff this year.

Just because the money is good doesnt mean we need to stick.[/QUOTE]


Good luck getting either to take a cut. Both are earning what they would on the open market. We'll probably ride with them again this year and part ways the next.