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[quote=Chico23231;1168045]Im a little surprised we have heard little movement on the ILB possibilities. Zach Brown, Gerald Hodges, Kevin Minter, Hightower, Manti Teo, Brandon Spikes, etc...all these guys available I believe.

I look at Wil Compton and see a lot of disappointment from last season where he flat out cannot make plays.[/quote]

I think that position in general is fairly overvalued, and the free agents you mention are probably having trouble coming to grips with the low offers they are getting from around the league.

Hightower deserves some coin, because he can be a 3 down guy and cover well. But if you need to come off the field often in passing situations, you just don't deserve a big payday.

That's not to say that the guys you list wouldn't help us - they would. But if they think they're getting a lot on the open market they will be disappointed. Not when teams can find athletic ILBs in the 3rd round.

It's just the nature of football now. The nickel corner is a much more valued position than ILB. Same with hybrid LB/S.

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The initial rush of free agency is settling. Now is when guys have to face reality as the second phase begins, probably plenty more one year deals on the way.

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I would like to see some competition at ILB, continue to build up the middle. Hopefully we can add a guy who does a little better a stopping the run.

Im good with Mason Foster...he is good in coverage and decent run stopper.

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[quote=Chico23231;1168048]I would like to see some competition at ILB, continue to build up the middle. [B]Hopefully we can add a guy who does a little better a stopping the run. [/B]

Im good with Mason Foster...he is good in coverage and decent run stopper.[/quote]
Re: Highlighted sentence above.

Answer: Sign Zach Brown. Would 143 tackles (94 solo) in 2016 be enough proof for you?

Let's wrap up this FA group by signing DT Johnathan Hankins and ILB Zach Brown. Then we can move on to the draft and go true BPA every round.

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[quote=Chico23231;1168048]I would like to see some competition at ILB, continue to build up the middle. Hopefully we can add a guy who does a little better a stopping the run.

Im good with Mason Foster...he is good in coverage and decent run stopper.[/quote]

I think Reuben Foster will be our other starting ILB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1168050]I think Reuben Foster will be our other starting ILB.[/quote]

Yes, Reuben Foster and Zach Brown - our new starters at ILB. We go from bad to bad-ass.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1168050]I think Reuben Foster will be our other starting ILB.[/quote]

Id take that for sure. But an upgrade is a necessity for a better defense next year. Wil Compton isn't a starter.

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Foster is coming back from rotator cuff surgery, maybe he will slide due to that injury. Could be a risky pick, remember Doctson.

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We need to get Hankins for around 8 mil a year I,ll take it right now

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[quote=bigant;1168142]We need to get Hankins for around 8 mil a year I,ll take it right now[/quote]

Hankins PFF rating was slightly higher than Ziggy Hood..he is not worth 8 million.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1168063]Foster is coming back from rotator cuff surgery, maybe he will slide due to that injury. Could be a risky pick, remember Doctson.[/quote]

Doctson wasnt hurt when we drafted him, and every pick is a risky pick.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1168049]Re: Highlighted sentence above.

[B]Answer: Sign Zach Brown. Would 143 tackles (94 solo) in 2016 be enough proof for you?[/B]

Let's wrap up this FA group by signing DT Johnathan Hankins and ILB Zach Brown. Then we can move on to the draft and go true BPA every round.[/quote]

Yeah! I've been staring at him since the beginning of free agency, real tackling machine, I think we can sign him at a reasonable price, can't we?

In fact I'll be fine with him and Mason Foster at ILB if we add a real playmaker at DT !

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Zach Brown is visiting the Raiders

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Per @MikeJonesWaPo: Redskins announce they have re-signed Ziggy Hood, and that Vinston Painter has signed his ERFA tender.

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Per @john_keim: The Redskins released Ricky Jean Francois. Would have counted $4 million vs. the cap.

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With releasing Ricky Jean Francios, I'm hoping that was a move to free up cap space to go after Hankins or Poe.

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/Redskins-Finalize-2017-Coaching-Staff/e1823a4c-9c34-4069-9b8b-ba33e4f21fec]Redskins Finalize 2017 Coaching Staff[/url]

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By the way, Bennie Logan:
per OTC : [url=http://overthecap.com/player/bennie-logan/2219]Bennie Logan Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap[/url]



2017 $6,680,000
Roster$1,000,000
Workout$250,000
Other$70,000

Cap Number$7,953,125

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[quote=dej733;1168195]Per @john_keim: The Redskins released Ricky Jean Francois. Would have counted $4 million vs. the cap.[/quote]

They save $3 million cutting Ricky Jean ($1 million of dead cap). I hope they did not give Ziggy any guaranteed money because if they draft well he is not making the team.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1168201]They save $3 million cutting Ricky Jean ($1 million of dead cap). I hope they did not give it all to Hood.[/quote]

Do you think he was cut due to play or his comments about the team?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1168199]By the way, Bennie Logan:
per OTC : [url=http://overthecap.com/player/bennie-logan/2219]Bennie Logan Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap[/url]



2017 $6,680,000
Roster$1,000,000
Workout$250,000
Other$70,000

Cap Number$7,953,125[/quote]

Too rich for my blood. Good player but doesn't rush the passer well. Glad we didn't outbid this one.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1168199]By the way, Bennie Logan:
per OTC : [url=http://overthecap.com/player/bennie-logan/2219]Bennie Logan Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap[/url]



2017 $6,680,000
Roster$1,000,000
Workout$250,000
Other$70,000

Cap Number$7,953,125[/quote]

I'm trying to reconcile the $70,000 for Other....

what does it cost to have an Eagles tatoo removed?

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1168202]Do you think he was cut due to play or his comments about the team?[/quote]

Ricky Jean's stats were almost identical to Ziggy's, so probably a little of both.... we are not sure what they paid Hood yet, that was probably a factor too

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1168203]Too rich for my blood. Good player but doesn't rush the passer well. Glad we didn't outbid this one.[/QUOTE]
Agreed

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Cooley's film breakdown of Terrell McClain and Stacy McGee:

[url=http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=21773&f=5879703]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url]

He gave McClain a C+, IIRC he said he was solid against the run, average pass rusher, great work ethic. He seemed happy with the signing.

McGee was a C-, big guy but not playing hard enough, stoping his feet when blocked or double teamed.

Overall Cooley gave a D to the DLs signing, saying since this is obviously a position of need, we have to add a real playmaker this offseason.
Good thing this draft class has a lot of talent at this position!

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[QUOTE=dej733;1168195]Per @john_keim: The Redskins released Ricky Jean Francois. Would have counted $4 million vs. the cap.[/QUOTE]



Good backup and locker room guy, wonder if they'll try to bring him back on the cheap

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[QUOTE=MTK;1168215]Good backup and locker room guy, wonder if they'll try to bring him back on the cheap[/QUOTE]
Baker tweeted "congrats RJF, now come to TB" with a songebob picture wearing a skins hat..... Fuck Baker

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1168216]Baker tweeted "congrats RJF, now come to TB" with a songebob picture wearing a skins hat..... Fuck Baker[/quote]

I just don't understand when Baker became the be all Redskin to re-sign. I can see people being sad about DJAX and PG but Baker? DJAX and PG were stand out players on our strongest position; Baker stood out in a talent less group. Who cares? See ya Baker.

That D-Line was awful it need to be completely torn down and rebuilt.

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Im not sold on our Dline being better once the season starts. Im ok with the moves, but Im not so sure they will work out. I think Logan would have been greater addition than both McClain and Stacy.

Right now my feeling on the draft is kinda eff WR and RB, draft Front Seven with the first 2 picks.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1168218]Im not sold on our Dline being better once the season starts. Im ok with the moves, but Im not so sure they will work out. I think Logan would have been greater addition than both McClain and Stacy.

Right now my feeling on the draft is kinda eff WR and RB, draft Front Seven with the first 2 picks.[/QUOTE]
I'm also more in favor of drafting need rather than BPA.
But since this draft has a lot of talented DLs, if a promising rb is available at 17, I wouldn't be mad if they pick him, and then find a dynamic DL in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Free agency isn't over though and I'm still expecting a playmaker either at DL or ILB.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1168219]I'm also more in favor of drafting need rather than BPA.
But since this draft has a lot of talented DLs, if a promising rb is available at 17, I wouldn't be mad if they pick him, and then find a dynamic DL in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Free agency isn't over though and [B]I'm still expecting a playmaker either at DL or ILB.[/B]
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Could another Josh Norman situation occur? If so and same caliber, I wouldn't be oppose....as long as it wouldnt prevent us in signing Cousins long term.

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[quote=mredskins;1168217]I just don't understand when Baker became the be all Redskin to re-sign. I can see people being sad about DJAX and PG but Baker? DJAX and PG were stand out players on our strongest position; Baker stood out in a talent less group. Who cares? See ya Baker.

That D-Line was awful it need to be completely torn down and rebuilt.[/quote]

I dont think Baker is perceived as well as you guys are trying to make out. But, he was easily the best D Lineman we had and an above average talent. But lets not even try to resign the guy and instead let Tampa get him at a more than fair price. Then lets bring in a guy who might be as good but cant stay healthy(I dont dislike this signing), and for 25 million lets get another guy who's basically a career backup(do dislike this signing). Then lets release our 2nd best D Lineman from last year. Its an interesting strategy

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1168221]Could another Josh Norman situation occur? If so and same caliber, I wouldn't be oppose....as long as it wouldnt prevent us in signing Cousins long term.[/QUOTE]
I think a guy like Zach Brown could be signed for less money than Norman, couldn't he?

Also keep in mind signing KC long term would save us some cap room next season compared to him playing under the tag for 24M a year...

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[quote=mredskins;1168217]I just don't understand when Baker became the be all Redskin to re-sign. I can see people being sad about DJAX and PG but Baker? DJAX and PG were stand out players on our strongest position; Baker stood out in a talent less group. Who cares? See ya Baker.

That D-Line was awful it need to be completely torn down and rebuilt.[/quote]

Seriously, our d line was so slow and could not get off blocks. Tampa is soon going to realize that Baker is not worth what they're paying him.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1168219]I'm also more in favor of drafting need rather than BPA.
But since this draft has a lot of talented DLs, if a promising rb is available at 17, I wouldn't be mad if they pick him, and then find a dynamic DL in the 2nd or 3rd round.

[B]Free agency isn't over though and I'm still expecting a playmaker either at DL or ILB.[/B]

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I doubt that happens because there isn't much left in FA at those positions. The good news is that the draft is loaded with DL prospects and there are enough good ILB prospects that we might be able to get one of them, as well.

I know I'm about to get skewered for this idea, but I think this may be a draft where we should try to move up to the early second round if the right player for us is still on the board. I believe from what I've read that there are more players with first round grades than usual in this draft and many of them are DL's.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1168225]I doubt that happens because there isn't much left in FA at those positions. The good news is that the draft is loaded with DL prospects and there are enough good ILB prospects that we might be able to get one of them, as well.

I know I'm about to get skewered for this idea, but I think this may be a draft where we should try to move up to the early second round if the right player for us is still on the board. I believe from what I've read that there are more players with first round grades than usual in this draft and many of them are DL's.[/QUOTE]
I think I'm misusing the word "expecting". I mean I want it to happen, not I think it probably will ...



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[quote=FrenchSkin;1168214]Cooley's film breakdown of Terrell McClain and Stacy McGee:

[url=http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=21773&f=5879703]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url]

He gave McClain a C+, IIRC he said he was solid against the run, average pass rusher, great work ethic. He seemed happy with the signing.

McGee was a C-, big guy but not playing hard enough, stoping his feet when blocked or double teamed.

Overall Cooley gave a D to the DLs signing, saying since this is obviously a position of need, we have to add a real playmaker this offseason.
Good thing this draft class has a lot of talent at this position![/quote]

From what little I've seen of McClain, I really like his motor. He seems to be a good penetrator and he is good versus the run. He was double-teamed a lot. I'm optimistic about his contributions.

McGee definitely has a reputation for not playing hard enough. I'm wondering if Jim Tomsula has a relationship with him and thinks he can motivate him. McGee is big and talented. If he puts out better effort, I think he could be a good player for us.

BTW, I like the Ziggy Hood signing. He played hard for us last season.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1168227]I think I'm misusing the word "expecting". I mean I want it to happen, not I think it probably will ...



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I put in an order for Hankins and Zack Brown but the FO doesn't seem to be listening to either of us.

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I do find it funny that they cut Ricky Jean after he mouthed off about the FO. Why not release the guy weeks ago if you knew you were not going to keep him? It's just seems like more Redskins FO BS.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1168234]I do find it funny that they cut Ricky Jean after he mouthed off about the FO. Why not release the guy weeks ago if you knew you were not going to keep him? It's just seems like more Redskins FO BS.[/quote]

They, or possibly he (BA), do seem to take everything personally.