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[quote=jamf;1186698][B][I]Why would KC want his new team to give up valuable picks for him?[/I][/B]
If KC is tagged, he will play out the year and become a true unrestricted FA next year which is what he wants.
I don’t necessarily think he wants to leave but he does want the most money he can get and being and UFA is the best way to go about that.
34M next season is not a deterrent.[/quote]

Well, look at this, the Eagles don't have a 2nd and 3rd this year, although if they trade Foles away, they could possibly regain at least one of those picks. I don't think Kirk would really think about a team giving up picks for him as much as what type of contract they are offering.

I don't think Kirk necessarily wants to leave either, but he wants the most "guaranteed" money, because he equates guaranteed money with security. That's why he's OK with continuing to sign those guaranteed one year deals. He's trying to pioneer a change with how NFL contracts are structured.

I just feel, in my humble opinion, there is a good chance of a tag and trade, because as much as I think the Redskins do like Kirk Cousins, they've repeatedly been slammed in the media and around the league with how they've handled contract negotiations, and I would be shocked if they're able to get Kirk to agree to a LTD contract right away - in which another opinion on that is - if Kirk is going to sign a LTD with the Redskins, it should be done quickly. There is absolutely no reason to string it along until any deadlines. The longer you don't hear about an agreement, the more likely he walks out right or gets tagged. I just don't see why it would be logical to think the Redskins are just fine tagging him and paying him another big one year deal and not a LTD. I just think there is something already worked out with a trade partner who feels all they need is a quarterback to compete, and I honestly think it's Denver.

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[quote=MTK;1186706]Another tag is just delaying the inevitable and it’s hard to imagine another team giving up picks in addition to signing him to a monster deal. It’s not like he’s Aaron Rodgers or something. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick, we draft or trade for another QB. The world won’t end if he’s not our starter next season.[/quote]

What gets me is the overall ineptness of our Front Office in this situation. We drafted Kirk as a backup. He grew into a really good starting QB. He became our guy, the only starting QB caliber player on our team. And the Front Office can't even hold on to him? They didn't see this situation coming, as it was developing? We could have penciled in a good starting QB in our lineup for years, cheaply, from within our own team. Something other teams would love to have the luxury of doing. Instead, the Front Office jerks him around with tag after tag, (overpaying him in the process so if anyone should be mad at the Front Office it's the fans wanting us to build a good team under the cap lol), creating all this uncertainty inside the team and outside tag year after tag year. And for what? So we can let Kirk go in his prime?

tl,dr: Fate basically gift-wrapped a franchise QB to us, and our Front Office couldn't handle the situation.

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[quote=MTK;1186706]Another tag is just delaying the inevitable and it’s hard to imagine another team giving up picks in addition to signing him to a monster deal. It’s not like he’s Aaron Rodgers or something. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick, we draft or trade for another QB. The world won’t end if he’s not our starter next season.[/quote]

Yeah as I have said, I hope he is back but if not, o well. On to a new guy and I trust Jay to have a good QB or at least productive one, as we said look at his track record.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1186712]What gets me is the overall ineptness of our Front Office in this situation. We drafted Kirk as a backup. He grew into a really good starting QB. He became our guy, the only starting QB caliber player on our team. And the Front Office can't even hold on to him? They didn't see this situation coming, as it was developing? We could have penciled in a good starting QB in our lineup for years, cheaply, from within our own team. Something other teams would love to have the luxury of doing. Instead, the Front Office jerks him around with tag after tag, (overpaying him in the process so if anyone should be mad at the Front Office it's the fans wanting us to build a good team under the cap lol), creating all this uncertainty inside the team and outside tag year after tag year. And for what? So we can let Kirk go in his prime?

tl,dr: Fate basically gift-wrapped a franchise QB to us, and our Front Office couldn't handle the situation.[/quote]

You know the old saying, hindsight is 20/20. Mike Shanahan knew right away what the Redskins would have in Kirk Cousins, and that's why he lobbied to draft Cousins. Had the FO listened to Shanahan, the Redskins would've never given up those picks for RGIII, Cousins would've been the guy, we would've gotten him wrapped up on a LTD years ago, much cheaper, and the team would've been in much better shape. Not trying to be a mark for Shanahan, but just starting to see that the more you look at this contract situation with Cousins, the more you see that what Shanahan was saying and doing wasn't wrong.

Anyway, only thing I know is, it's going to be an interesting offseason.

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[url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-were-quarterback-focused-senior-bowl]Redskins were 'quarterback focused' at the Senior Bowl | NBC Sports Washington[/url]

More non-news. Of course they were QB heavy due to the uncertainty at the position.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1186720][url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-were-quarterback-focused-senior-bowl]Redskins were 'quarterback focused' at the Senior Bowl | NBC Sports Washington[/url]

More non-news. Of course they were QB heavy due to the uncertainty at the position.[/quote]

O well, it is something we will have to deal with until something happens. I'm fine with a Rookie QB taking over if it's Mayfield or Allen.

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What team doesn’t look closely at the most important spot on the field.

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[quote=MTK;1186724]What team doesn’t look closely at the most important spot on the field.[/quote]


The media is going to be playing this up until something happens with Cousins.

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Do the Redskins trade picks with the Giants?




I don't think so but you never know.

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[quote=Giantone;1186736]Do the Redskins trade picks with the Giants?




I don't think so but you never know.[/quote]

Didn't dallas and philly do it a year or 2 ago? It's possible

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Per Tandler how shit could work with Cousins:

If the Redskins want to try to tag and trade Cousins, the transition tag would be a much better vehicle to use. The practical effect would be the same and the Redskins would not have as much cap space tied up during the process.

There doesn’t really need to be any winking and nodding involved; the Redskins can give Cousins’ agent permission to talk to any or all teams at any time. Here is my understanding of how it could work out after the Redskins put the tag on him. 1) Cousins works out a deal with, say, Denver. No offer sheet is signed. 2) Cousins goes back to the Redskins, signs the tag, and the teams execute a trade that was agreed to beforehand. 3) Cousins signs the new deal with the Broncos.

There are a lot of moving parts to such a deal but there would be benefits for all three parties. Cousins appears to want out and this would assure him that the Redskins won’t match an offer sheet. The Broncos will be able to get their man without needing to use a heavily frontloaded contract, which they really can’t afford. And the Redskins would be able to get compensation for Cousins. A lot can go wrong here so there is no guarantee they could pull this off, but it is the best-case scenario of Cousins’ departure is inevitable.


[url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/need-know-can-redskins-tag-and-trade-cousins?utm_content=buffer8e20e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]Need to Know: Can the Redskins tag and trade Cousins? | NBC Sports Washington[/url]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1186706]Another tag is just delaying the inevitable and it’s hard to imagine another team giving up picks in addition to signing him to a monster deal. It’s not like he’s Aaron Rodgers or something. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick, we draft or trade for another QB. The world won’t end if he’s not our starter next season.[/QUOTE]I keep hearing this, but the 49ers were willing to give up a second for Garoppolo with, what, six games left on his contract? Do you really think he has greater value than Cousins?

Now, they may not have known he'd demand a high contract after this season, but that's a ridiculous assumption. Why give up a second for a guy you thought might not do well? Why would you think you wouldn't have to pay him if he did play well?


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[quote=Chico23231;1186741]Per Tandler how shit could work with Cousins:

If the Redskins want to try to tag and trade Cousins, the transition tag would be a much better vehicle to use. The practical effect would be the same and the Redskins would not have as much cap space tied up during the process.

There doesn’t really need to be any winking and nodding involved; the Redskins can give Cousins’ agent permission to talk to any or all teams at any time. Here is my understanding of how it could work out after the Redskins put the tag on him. 1) Cousins works out a deal with, say, Denver. No offer sheet is signed. 2) Cousins goes back to the Redskins, signs the tag, and the teams execute a trade that was agreed to beforehand. 3) Cousins signs the new deal with the Broncos.

There are a lot of moving parts to such a deal but there would be benefits for all three parties. Cousins appears to want out and this would assure him that the Redskins won’t match an offer sheet. The Broncos will be able to get their man without needing to use a heavily frontloaded contract, which they really can’t afford. And the Redskins would be able to get compensation for Cousins. A lot can go wrong here so there is no guarantee they could pull this off, but it is the best-case scenario of Cousins’ departure is inevitable.


[url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/need-know-can-redskins-tag-and-trade-cousins?utm_content=buffer8e20e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]Need to Know: Can the Redskins tag and trade Cousins? | NBC Sports Washington[/url][/quote]



Man at this point I'm just ready to move on from Kirk, this shit is embarrassing.

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[quote=Chico23231;1186741]Per Tandler how shit could work with Cousins:

If the Redskins want to try to tag and trade Cousins, the transition tag would be a much better vehicle to use. The practical effect would be the same and the Redskins would not have as much cap space tied up during the process.

There doesn’t really need to be any winking and nodding involved; the Redskins can give Cousins’ agent permission to talk to any or all teams at any time. Here is my understanding of how it could work out after the Redskins put the tag on him. 1) Cousins works out a deal with, say, Denver. No offer sheet is signed. 2) Cousins goes back to the Redskins, signs the tag, and the teams execute a trade that was agreed to beforehand. 3) Cousins signs the new deal with the Broncos.

There are a lot of moving parts to such a deal but there would be benefits for all three parties. Cousins appears to want out and this would assure him that the Redskins won’t match an offer sheet. The Broncos will be able to get their man without needing to use a heavily frontloaded contract, which they really can’t afford. And the Redskins would be able to get compensation for Cousins. A lot can go wrong here so there is no guarantee they could pull this off, but it is the best-case scenario of Cousins’ departure is inevitable.


[url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/need-know-can-redskins-tag-and-trade-cousins?utm_content=buffer8e20e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]Need to Know: Can the Redskins tag and trade Cousins? | NBC Sports Washington[/url][/quote]

Only thing I wasn't sure on was the transition tag. I didn't think the Redskins could get any compensation with the transition tag, but apparently they can. In that case, then that is clearly the best option to go. The media seems to think Cousins wants out. I would assume they already know something, and I would assume the tag and trade is being looked into, if not already agreed upon. Again, I'm thinking if you haven't heard anything about a LTD shortly after the Super Bowl, then this is probably the route Cousins and the Redskins take.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1186743]Man at this point I'm just ready to move on from Kirk, this shit is embarrassing.[/quote]

This is actually what the team wants to hear. With the media throwing out all of these scenarios and really making it sound as if Cousins doesn't want to be here, it forces the fans to resent Kirk Cousins a bit and be OK with getting rid of him, even though he's a fantastic quarterback and fantastic person. I think the fanbase is, at best, divided on Kirk Cousins. You'll have some, just like with RGIII, who will stick with Cousins no matter what. You'll have some who will have always taken the route of "Not My Quarterback" (Probably left over RGIII fans), and then some of us who are so sick and tired of the offseason situation with Kirk Cousins that we're ready to just say eff it, let Cousins walk if that's what he wants.

I think this is exactly what the team wants from us.

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[quote=metalskins;1186750]This is actually what the team wants to hear. With the media throwing out all of these scenarios and really making it sound as if Cousins doesn't want to be here, it forces the fans to resent Kirk Cousins a bit and be OK with getting rid of him, even though he's a fantastic quarterback and fantastic person. I think the fanbase is, at best, divided on Kirk Cousins. You'll have some, just like with RGIII, who will stick with Cousins no matter what. You'll have some who will have always taken the route of "Not My Quarterback" (Probably left over RGIII fans), and then some of us who are so sick and tired of the offseason situation with Kirk Cousins that we're ready to just say eff it, let Cousins walk if that's what he wants.

I think this is exactly what the team wants from us.[/quote]


I would love to have Kirk back, I have said that the whole time but this just seems like 2 parties that want a divorce but won't admit it. Kirk has had a chance to sign a LTD and it wasn't a low ball offer according to reports last summer.. north of 20M is a good deal IMO. The team doesn't want KC and KC knows that so he's playing the nice guy and "well we'll see what happens" or "I want to be wanted" Typical response every off season from Kirk.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1186752]I would love to have Kirk back, I have said that the whole time but this just seems like 2 parties that want a divorce but won't admit it. Kirk has had a chance to sign a LTD and it wasn't a low ball offer according to reports last summer.. north of 20M is a good deal IMO. The team doesn't want KC and KC knows that so he's playing the nice guy and "well we'll see what happens" or "I want to be wanted" Typical response every off season from Kirk.[/quote]

I don't blame him for wanting to be wanted. We all want to be wanted. At least that's what I want! LOL!

I think we'll know soon enough. I think if the FO wants Gruden to succeed, then they'll do this sooner rather than later, that way Gruden knows what to expect and can better prepare for what's ahead.

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From Eric Galko Sporting news

From what I’ve heard, and I asked a lot of people this week, It seems it’s more likely than not that Kirk plays for the #Broncos next year. And the contract details mat be very interesting. Arizona in the mix as well.

If they sign Kirk, I don’t expect a QB at 5.




Ben Albright

" The redskins have been rumored to even be willing to trade up in order to get Mayfield if they feel a threat"

Yeah the old saying is "when there is smoke there is usually fire" I'm going to go ahead and say Kirk is done in DC.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/express/wp/2018/01/23/redskins-fans-are-buzzing-over-baker-mayfield-they-shouldnt-be/?utm_term=.a1bcdfd512ae[/url]

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[quote=metalskins;1186750]This is actually what the team wants to hear. With the media throwing out all of these scenarios and really making it sound as if Cousins doesn't want to be here, it forces the fans to resent Kirk Cousins a bit and be OK with getting rid of him, even though he's a fantastic quarterback and fantastic person. I think the fanbase is, at best, divided on Kirk Cousins. You'll have some, just like with RGIII, who will stick with Cousins no matter what. [B]You'll have some who will have always taken the route of "Not My Quarterback" (Probably left over RGIII fans)[/B], and then some of us who are so sick and tired of the offseason situation with Kirk Cousins that we're ready to just say eff it, let Cousins walk if that's what he wants.

I think this is exactly what the team wants from us.[/quote]

These people are idiots, and are not Redskins fans. RG3 played himself out of the NFL, it wasn't a conspiracy against him. You can be a heinous mfer and still have a job in the NFL as long as you are good.

If Kirk walks, I'm over it. But I'll never be over how incapable this team is of running a smooth operation. As a side note, Baker Mayfield sucks and if this team really is thinking about trading up or selecting him I have no faith in the system.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1186767]From Eric Galko Sporting news

From what I’ve heard, and I asked a lot of people this week, It seems it’s more likely than not that Kirk plays for the #Broncos next year. And the contract details mat be very interesting. Arizona in the mix as well.

If they sign Kirk, I don’t expect a QB at 5.




Ben Albright

" The redskins have been rumored to even be willing to trade up in order to get Mayfield if they feel a threat"

Yeah the old saying is "when there is smoke there is usually fire" I'm going to go ahead and say Kirk is done in DC.[/quote]

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/385913ff-d550-3fad-b9fe-adb89f0873d6/ss_report%3A-%27more-likely-than.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1186781][url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/385913ff-d550-3fad-b9fe-adb89f0873d6/ss_report%3A-%27more-likely-than.html[/url][/QUOTE]Yeah I'm already looking at Baker as our future. I would love to pick other needs at 13 but we need a QB so...

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1186783]Yeah I'm already looking at Baker as our future. I would love to pick other needs at 13 but we need a QB so...

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Yup. I’m over this Kirk Cousins drama. I’ve been his biggest supporter but it just seems like he doesn’t want to be here.. Hopefully our inept organization can luck into a good QB in the draft.


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Let Denver overpay for him, like they did Miller. He's not going to get them back to where they were w/ Manning. I'm ready for Mayfied as well. Just hope he's there when we pick.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1186767]From Eric Galko Sporting news

From what I’ve heard, and I asked a lot of people this week, It seems it’s more likely than not that Kirk plays for the #Broncos next year. And the contract details mat be very interesting. Arizona in the mix as well.

If they sign Kirk, I don’t expect a QB at 5.




Ben Albright

" The redskins have been rumored to even be willing to trade up in order to get Mayfield if they feel a threat"

Yeah the old saying is "when there is smoke there is usually fire" I'm going to go ahead and say Kirk is done in DC.[/quote]

Denver is one of the teams coaching the Senior Bowl. NFL Network reported that they specifically wanted to coach Mayfield. They (Elway) requested Mayfield to be coached by Denver. I found that interesting. Why pay Kirk when you can get a guy that might have more upside on a rookie deal?

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Absolutely zero chance mayfield is there where we pick. Only way to get mayfield is move into top 3 pick

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Mike White anyone?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1186791]Absolutely zero chance mayfield is there where we pick. Only way to get mayfield is move into top 3 pick[/QUOTE]Eh I don't know, after combine we'll see. I think people won't overlook him because he is so much like Russell Wilson. Seriously he plays just like him. I'd love to go get him and apparently Jay loves him

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[QUOTE=MTK;1186795]Mike White anyone?[/QUOTE]I'd rather have Mason but white looked good.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1186783]Yeah [B]I'm already looking at Baker as our future.[/B] I would love to pick other needs at 13 but we need a QB so...

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You would.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1186799]You would.[/QUOTE]Lol

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[quote=Brody81;1186785]Yup. I’m over this Kirk Cousins drama. I’ve been his biggest supporter but it just seems like he doesn’t want to be here.. Hopefully our inept organization can luck into a good QB in the draft.


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Can you really blame him for not wanting to be here? I know most people will point out the money we have gave him so far. That's good, but what any player wants is the long-term security. Hell any person really wants long-term security. Whatever job that you do, do you want to do it year to year, or would you hope your company wants you around long-term?

If reports are accurate, Dan / Allen didn't express any willingness to keep Cousins until year 3 of him starting. Remember after the Baltimore game that Cousins won with RG3 being hurt, Dan allegedly walked right by Cousins in the locker room, said nothing to him, and went over to RG3. How would that make you feel?

I think there's next to no chance we successfully draft / develop a QB. The argument could be made that we did that with Cousins, and ultimately failed when it came time to give him NFL starting QB money. Trading up for Picks to get a QB - those picks would be better used elsewhere on our team.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1186788]Let Denver overpay for him, like they did Miller. He's not going to get them back to where they were w/ Manning. I'm ready for Mayfied as well. Just hope he's there when we pick.[/quote]

Going to two super bowls is definitely a high bar and I'm not disagreeing with you.

But, I bet the become a playoff contender, vying for the conference if they maintain their running game and defense and add kirk to the mix.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1186802]Can you really blame him for not wanting to be here? I know most people will point out the money we have gave him so far. That's good, but what any player wants is the long-term security. Hell any person really wants long-term security. Whatever job that you do, do you want to do it year to year, or would you hope your company wants you around long-term?

If reports are accurate, Dan / Allen didn't express any willingness to keep Cousins until year 3 of him starting. Remember after the Baltimore game that Cousins won with RG3 being hurt, Dan allegedly walked right by Cousins in the locker room, said nothing to him, and went over to RG3. How would that make you feel?

I think there's next to no chance we successfully draft / develop a QB. The argument could be made that we did that with Cousins, and ultimately failed when it came time to give him NFL starting QB money. Trading up for Picks to get a QB - those picks would be better used elsewhere on our team.[/QUOTE]They offered him a long term deal during his first full season of starting.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1186802]Can you really blame him for not wanting to be here? I know most people will point out the money we have gave him so far. That's good, but what any player wants is the long-term security. Hell any person really wants long-term security. Whatever job that you do, do you want to do it year to year, or would you hope your company wants you around long-term?

If reports are accurate, Dan / Allen didn't express any willingness to keep Cousins until year 3 of him starting. Remember after the Baltimore game that Cousins won with RG3 being hurt, [B]Dan allegedly walked right by Cousins in the locker room, said nothing to him, and went over to RG3.[/B] How would that make you feel?

I think there's next to no chance we successfully draft / develop a QB. The argument could be made that we did that with Cousins, and ultimately failed when it came time to give him NFL starting QB money. Trading up for Picks to get a QB - those picks would be better used elsewhere on our team.[/quote]

Ah, KC was playing the long con, where he miraculously rises to the rank of a Pro Bowl caliber qb to burn the owner in the end. Nice.

I really think the low ball offers in consecutive years has more to do with this. First offseason they said they wanted him to prove himself some more, he did, and they still lowballed him. Now he probably can't wait to get out.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1186806]Ah, KC was playing the long con, where he miraculously rises to the rank of a Pro Bowl caliber qb to burn the owner in the end. Nice.

I really think the low ball offers in consecutive years has more to do with this. First offseason they said they wanted him to prove himself some more, he did, and they still lowballed him. Now he probably can't wait to get out.[/QUOTE]I can't believe people are still saying this when he admitted that they offered him a legit deal to start negotiating last year and he declined because he wanted to evaluate them.

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[quote=WillH;1186808]I can't believe people are still saying this when he admitted that they offered him a legit deal to start negotiating last year and he declined because he wanted to evaluate them.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/quote]WillH, are you referring these statements, gathered in this article?

[URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/one-insider-reveals-the-long-term-contract-redskins-should-have-offered-kirk-cousins/"]Link[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000841343/article/kirk-cousins-redskins-contract-talks-stalled-after-second-offer/"]Another link[/URL]

Because it totally makes Allen and Snyder look like a bag of dicks. And Kirk and his agent taking the high ground.

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[quote=WillH;1186808]I can't believe people are still saying this when he admitted that they offered him a legit deal to start negotiating last year and he declined because he wanted to evaluate them.

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That "legit deal" wasn't at the start of the offseason, it was after they had initially tried a lesser deal again. When it was clear he wasn't going to take that they finally came with a legit offer. The damage was already done. Evaluate us? He's been with us for 6 years, that's more than enough time. If we had committed to him from the start, made a serious offer, and he liked us, he'd be extended right now. Instead we cheaped out, most likely pissed him off with the implication he's not worth top dollar, and he made the business decision to take the guaranteed one year money until he could hit free agency eventually and find a franchise that actually wants him.

Point blank, if he wanted to be here long term, he would. We made the "legit offer" (which was still under market rate), he turned it down. Not just because the money wasn't good enough, it's because we're not good enough. Imagine putting up the best stats we've seen in 20 years, being a leader, doing everything they ask of you and your franchise which will pay everybody under the goddamn sun, decides you're the one to cheap out on. It's over.

And I know Matty is gonna say we are reading into this too much, but everytime we hear shit rumors like these they tend to come true with this franchise. They aren't heavily scouting qb's just in case Kirk leaves, they are in full blown plan B mode because they screwed up plan A. Kirk just isn't sexy enough to fill the seats and inspire confidence in this franchise. Only way Kirk is here next season is if we tag him again for 34 million. In which case he will have gotten 78 million guaranteed for 3 years, and then he's looking at a similar amount when he walks next year.

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Oh yeah and one more thing, if we are actually stupid enough to tag Kirk for 34 million this year, it would be hella appropriate to start talking about how our qb salary is hampering our ability to improve the rest of the team. Because 34 million is way-too-goddamn-much to pay any qb for 1 year.

Re: The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0
 

[quote=HailGreen28;1186809]WillH, are you referring these statements, gathered in this article?

[URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/one-insider-reveals-the-long-term-contract-redskins-should-have-offered-kirk-cousins/"]Link[/URL]

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000841343/article/kirk-cousins-redskins-contract-talks-stalled-after-second-offer/"]Another link[/URL]

Because it totally makes Allen and Snyder look like a bag of dicks. And Kirk and his agent taking the high ground.[/quote]


I would assume he is referring to this quote:

[quote]
Cousins said he has “felt wanted” by the Redskins from the first day of last offseason, and the offer the team made him before last year’s July deadline to sign a long-term deal made that clear.


“I felt they were all-in last summer, but we felt like we wanted to take a little more time,” Cousins said of his decision to play a second year under the franchise tag. “… I feel at peace about their belief in me and where they’re going forward from here.”

Asked whether he feels good about the possibility of remaining with the Redskins and having Allen and team owner Daniel Snyder as his bosses for the next six years, Cousins said it all depends on how the team fares.

“It all comes down to winning,” he said. “We have to win. If we win, everybody will feel good. If we lose, all the other things just don’t really matter. Winning is what matters to me.”
[/quote]

Taken from [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2018/01/05/id-be-foolish-to-say-i-dont-want-to-be-here-highlights-from-kirk-cousinss-fan-event/?utm_term=.18689750c8ff"]Link[/URL]

I still think this tag and trade talk is a pipe dream. I would absolutely love to be wrong, and love to get something for him. I do not see it happening because I simply don't think the market is there for a tag and trade (for a number of reasons).

I think the reason Cousins wants out is probably a combination of everything. The F/O has had their issues, surely, but I think there is also merit to him wanting to choose his own destiny. He wants to find his own path, and likely wants to move on.

We will find out soon enough, and thankfully will be able to focus our attention elsewhere (although I shudder to imagine the obsessive comparative threads with Cousins vs. his replacement. It will be hell).