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Cousins is going to have several teams after him which will only drive up his price. No way he settles for anything less than being the highest paid player in the NFL.

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I also have a question for those who are 100% positive we got worst at QB: looking at stats, points, wins, and tape, what 12 QBs are without any doubt way better than Alex Smith ?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1187300]We will see man, time will tell. If he wins us games and [B]playoff games [/B]we will be happy[/quote]

As a chiefs fan for 50 years having seen every snap of alex's in chief's uniform
you will go wanting. Gronk is injured alot now kelce is the best tight end, kareem hunt was top 3 rb in production, tyrek hill can not be covered down field. Smith will break your heart. The long ball stats are an illusion. He completes wobbly duck 30 yard passes that others would have scored tds on. WR waits for smith duck db catches up to hill makes stop. FG instead of TD.Outsiders like you see stats regarding 30 yd completion and think he's good.
May GOD have mercy on you guys but smith as your qb will drain your soul.

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[quote=mahomes;1187373]As a chiefs fan for 50 years having seen every snap of alex's in chief's uniform
you will go wanting. Gronk is injured alot now kelce is the best tight end, kareem hunt was top 3 rb in production, tyrek hill can not be covered down field. Smith will break your heart. The long ball stats are an illusion. He completes wobbly duck 30 yard passes that others would have scored tds on. WR waits for smith duck db catches up to hill makes stop. FG instead of TD.Outsiders like you see stats regarding 30 yd completion and think he's good.
May good have mercy on you guys but smith as your qb will drain your soul.[/quote]

Our souls have been on E with a flashing light for miles.

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People are using how we fucked this up years ago as part of their judgment on this trade. That was already done and over with.

In a vacuum, I think the team did the best they could, and they must've known that either Kirk was absolutely leaving or absolutely not accepting any thing less than an insane contract.

We resign Zach Brown, draft Denzel Ward and Sony Michel (or similar players) in the 1st 2 rounds, and bring in a good FA LG and lets get after it.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1187374]Our souls have been on E with a flashing light for miles.[/quote]

Who has more misery you wanna go down THAT road? I am 58 and what I know of the redskins is when they are good they win SBs. You guys may have wanted more but you have won multiple SBs. I am a syracuse guy so I loved art monk and pulled for you guys when my chiefs were turrible.

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I learned something this year watching playoffs .the system and overall team talent gets you as far as the top dog elite Qb in most cases. Cousins had his chance 2 seasons ago when he had a top offensive team around him and could not win against giants. That game seems to define who he is and at the time I remember everybody calling him out! So here we are he is gone and I for one am relieved . I like Smith and I believe he can have success here but we need other help. NEEDS Run game, WR ....enough of the excuses for Doctson time to step up! I would have rather kept fuller and moved doctson . This team is not better losing Cousins but it could be worse , I agree with all of you who blast the front office I have been saying that a long time but that ain’t changing . Let’s hope we draft smart get some FA in here and maybe next year we can win 9 plus games and have a shot at playoffs!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1187375][B]People are using how we fucked this up years ago as part of their judgment on this trade. That was already done and over with.[/B]

In a vacuum, I think the team did the best they could, and they must've known that either Kirk was absolutely leaving or absolutely not accepting any thing less than an insane contract.

We resign Zach Brown, draft Denzel Ward and Sony Michel (or similar players) in the 1st 2 rounds, and bring in a good FA LG and lets get after it.[/quote]

On the bolded, EXACTLY right. Chico, you're most guilty of this.

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This trade will be brilliant for the redskins if you draft a qb and realize that is the solution not smith. Smith will actually help him unlike all other QBs.

Redskins trade for Alex Smith
 

I would listen to DJ Swearinger. Fuller- Best defensive player last year. Preparation. Locker room guy. Look, of course I hope Alex Smith can replicate what Cousins did- this is me even discounting the fact we don’t have a Kareem Hunt, Travis Kelce or Tyreek Hill. I just take issue with this narrative that Fuller is “just a good cb” or “just a slot guy” or “our third/backup.” Our defensive captain just called him the best player we had last season on his side of the ball... and those aren’t just emotions talking- the numbers back it up.

Trading a guy like that on a rookie contract for bridge qb who lacks the weapons he had before is hard to swallow. Throw in a third and it just reminds me of a previous trade to give up the best cb in football and a second for a running back (moving Champ was mandatory considering his personal drama in DC, but still- these sweeteners only seem to come from this organization.. different FO, but still).

If Alex Smith is more than a two year bridge QB and he puts up the same stats/record as KC, I’ll actually be sort of alright with this. But i don’t even think the former is true. And I don’t trade our highest rated defensive player for a bridge.


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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1187080]You put Alex smith on the Skins this year with no running game and little at wr...what is his numbers?



Kelce, Kareem hunt, Hill...decent Oline. Great cast coming off a career year.[/QUOTE]



In all fairness we do have an entire off season and a draft to find some weapons. I guarantee you we have a better RB at the start of next season. Maybe Reed stays healthy? Economically this is a win for the Skins. It also allows us to groom a young quarterback over the next few years. I would have jumped off a bridge if someone told me we are giving up a third rounder, Fuller, and Cousins for Alex Smith two days ago BUT when I step back it actually makes sense for several reasons.
1)frees up instant cap money
2)settles the quarterback situation and allows us to move forward and address the rest of our needs.
3) I love Cousins, but i can see Smith running Grudens offense with precision and CARE (not turning the ball over - huge).
I do have a question. Cousins is just gone. Right? Meaning we get nothing for him. Is there a way that the Skins could have somehow traded KC for something AND wound up here taking Smith?

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[quote=punch it in;1187381]In all fairness we do have an entire off season and a draft to find some weapons. I guarantee you we have a better RB at the start of next season. Maybe Reed stays healthy? Economically this is a win for the Skins. It also allows us to groom a young quarterback over the next few years. I would have jumped off a bridge if someone told me we are giving up a third rounder, Fuller, and Cousins for Alex Smith two days ago BUT when I step back it actually makes sense for several reasons.
1)frees up instant cap money
2)settles the quarterback situation and allows us to move forward and address the rest of our needs.
3) I love Cousins, but i can see Smith running Grudens offense with precision and CARE (not turning the ball over - huge).
I do have a question. Cousins is just gone. Right? Meaning we get nothing for him. Is there a way that the Skins could have somehow traded KC for something AND wound up here taking Smith?[/quote]

You guys get a 3rd rounder for cousins walking if i am not mistaken. It is year after he walks.

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[quote=mahomes;1187379]This trade will be brilliant for the redskins if you draft a qb and realize that is the solution not smith. Smith will actually help him unlike all other QBs.[/quote]

Smith has five years left on his contract, with $71 guaranteed. They will not draft a QB in the early rounds.... if at all.

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I believe the Redskins are currently trying to trade Cousins.

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It depends on what you mean by better. Do you mean better skilled, better future potential, or better value?

The distinction is important because based on all those factors, I would compare Kirk to Alex as very closely skilled, Kirk absolutely has better future potential, and Alex has better value in terms of cap value but when considering what we gave up for him it's probably at best a wash.

If you're just referring to skill, that is only part of the full picture (ie. I'd rather Wentz than Brady right now but only because of future potential), but I'll play along:

Brady
Brees
Luck
Wentz
Rothlisberger
Wilson
Rivers
Rodgers
Ryan

I think are all definitely better, but there are about 6-8 that are probably better (Cousins, Stafford, Goff, Carr, Newton, Palmer) , and another 4-6 that might be better (Manning, Keenum, Winston, Mariota, Watson)

He's about a top 15 QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1187385]I believe the Redskins are currently trying to trade Cousins.[/quote]

I thought he couldn't be traded?

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[QUOTE=mahomes;1187383]You guys get a 3rd rounder for cousins walking if i am not mistaken. It is year after he walks.[/QUOTE]



Makes things a little better. Thanks.
I was always one to say man if the Chiefs had a real quarterback they would be great but Smith definitely has mobility and smarts. Doesn’t turn the ball over alot at all. I know you guys are excited about Mahomes but I wouldn’t pencil that in as an upgrade just yet. Smith may just be more of a winner than you give him credit for. Not one who does it in spectacular fashion dropping 50 yard dimes BUT one who manages (there is that bad word ...lol) to win.

Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith
 

Cousins isn't getting traded. They would have to tag him first, and he would have to agree to sign the tag. Not happening.

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[quote=Schneed10;1187378]On the bolded, EXACTLY right. Chico, you're most guilty of this.[/quote]

in the big scheme of things yes, but not entirely. Its hard to avoid the history of Cousins as a Redskins and separately, Dan & Bruce as the primary QB decision makers.

Proper arguments can be made as this transaction is poor in itself as well.

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[quote=MTK;1187390]Cousins isn't getting traded. They would have to tag him first, and he would have to agree to sign the tag. Not happening.[/quote]

Exactly.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1187385]I believe the Redskins are currently trying to trade Cousins.[/quote]

I know I may be a smith critic but when you look at that trade you guys will hopefully score big for cousins. I would take cousins in a minute over smith but I understand his contract demands putting you off. We had a similar situation with houston. Waited too long to extend him now he makes almost brady money at outside lb. Knowing what a qb driven league it is I feel for skins fans such a tough spot no right answer. Sign cousins you payed too much let him walk and a potential if not already franchise qb leaves.

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[quote=WillH;1187387]It depends on what you mean by better. Do you mean better skilled, better future potential, or better value?

The distinction is important because based on all those factors, I would compare Kirk to Alex as very closely skilled, Kirk absolutely has better future potential, and Alex has better value in terms of cap value but when considering what we gave up for him it's probably at best a wash.

If you're just referring to skill, that is only part of the full picture (ie. I'd rather Wentz than Brady right now but only because of future potential), but I'll play along:

[B]Brady
Brees
Luck
Wentz
Rothlisberger
Wilson
Rivers
Rodgers
Ryan[/B]

I think are all definitely better, but there are about 6-8 that are probably better (Cousins, Stafford, Goff, Carr, Newton, Palmer) , and another 4-6 that might be better (Manning, Keenum, Winston, Mariota, Watson)

He's about a top 15 QB.

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I'm talking talent only.

I can agree on the 9 you listed, I'd even put Stafford with them.

All the others are close and debatable.

So yeah, we agree, Alex Smith is a top 15 to top 10 QB.

Isn't that what most of us here thought of Kirk. Maybe more top 12 to top 10?

So, set aside the age factor, I don't see how we clearly got worse at QB (for next season).

Anyway, keep in mind Kirk was gone anyway, and we clearly got the best QB available/gettable.
Didn't we ?

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[quote=mahomes;1187373]As a chiefs fan for 50 years having seen every snap of alex's in chief's uniform
you will go wanting. Gronk is injured alot now kelce is the best tight end, kareem hunt was top 3 rb in production, tyrek hill can not be covered down field. Smith will break your heart. The long ball stats are an illusion. He completes wobbly duck 30 yard passes that others would have scored tds on. WR waits for smith duck db catches up to hill makes stop. FG instead of TD.Outsiders like you see stats regarding 30 yd completion and think he's good.
May GOD have mercy on you guys but smith as your qb will drain your soul.[/quote]

A fan that doesn't like their QB, say it ain't so.

Plenty of Skins fans were less than enamored with Kirk too.

Just par for the course friend.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1187375]People are using how we fucked this up years ago as part of their judgment on this trade. That was already done and over with.

In a vacuum, I think the team did the best they could, and they must've known that either Kirk was absolutely leaving or absolutely not accepting any thing less than an insane contract.

We resign Zach Brown, draft Denzel Ward and Sony Michel (or similar players) in the 1st 2 rounds, and bring in a good FA LG and lets get after it.[/quote]

I do use how they screwed up the KC situation as part of my judgement.

How do you compartmentalize it without taking it into consideration how they screwed up years ago?

So they did their job for once and tried to clean up their mess and we are supposed to be happy with it?

It reminds of the saying "we are trying to make chicken parm out of chicken shit"

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KC fans loved Smith lol I lived in OKC and their were plenty of fans there and most of them were thrilled to have him.. IDK why this dude says that.

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Look at his username. lol

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1187400]Look at his username. lol[/quote]

true

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[quote=MTK;1187396]A fan that doesn't like their QB, say it ain't so.

Plenty of Skins fans were less than enamored with Kirk too.

Just par for the course friend.[/quote]

I know I don't know cousins. As an outsider looking in I saw cousins as a guy who persevered the underdog who made it. But the contract demands that were floated around seemed unbelievable. I suppose it's a grass always greener kind of thing. Whatever your qb doesn't do well you want the opposite.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1187390]Cousins isn't getting traded. They would have to tag him first, and he would have to agree to sign the tag. Not happening.[/QUOTE]Probably not, but there's a chance that the Broncos work out a deal with the Skins to sign and trade to avoid the bidding war and square away their QB position before FA.

There was apparently a bidding war for the Smith trade, so there's a hungry QB market willing to trade picks for the chance to sign a franchise QB long term.

Cousins would have to play ball, but if he likes the Broncos, maybe he also just wants to get it done.

It's very unlikely, but I don't think it's off the table.

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[quote=WillH;1187403]Probably not, but there's a chance that the Broncos work out a deal with the Skins to sign and trade to avoid the bidding war and square away their QB position before FA.

There was apparently a bidding war for the Smith trade, so there's a hungry QB market willing to trade picks for the chance to sign a franchise QB long term.

Cousins would have to play ball, but if he likes the Broncos, maybe he also just wants to get it done.

It's very unlikely, but I don't think it's off the table.

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Baically we would have to Tag him and trade right away, unlikely but u are right now a days who knows anymore?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1187397]I do use how they screwed up the KC situation as part of my judgement.

How do you compartmentalize it without taking it into consideration how they screwed up years ago?

So they did their job for once and tried to clean up their mess and we are supposed to be happy with it?

It reminds of the saying "we are trying to make chicken parm out of chicken shit"[/quote]

As a Skins fan compartmentalizing and having a strong liver are the top 2 requirements lol. I compartmentalize every year into a folder and get my kool-aid jug out for following season. 2018 SB champs!

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[quote=WillH;1187403]Probably not, but there's a chance that the Broncos work out a deal with the Skins to sign and trade to avoid the bidding war and square away their QB position before FA.

There was apparently a bidding war for the Smith trade, so there's a hungry QB market willing to trade picks for the chance to sign a franchise QB long term.

Cousins would have to play ball, but if he likes the Broncos, maybe he also just wants to get it done.

It's very unlikely, but I don't think it's off the table.

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If somehow we could pull this off, it would be some icy hot for the butthurt.

Plus it would be great just throw this in S10 face ;)

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Smith is going to help the defense. He may not light up the score board but the low turnovers helps the defense big time. With smith have a good punter and you will get field position advantage often. You won't give up cheap ones so teams will have to earn it against you.

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Cousins wants to test the market, he doesn’t want his future dictated in a trade. At this point he doesn’t owe the Skins or anybody, anything. I don’t see a reason why he would go along with a tag and trade.

Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1187397]I do use how they screwed up the KC situation as part of my judgement.

How do you compartmentalize it without taking it into consideration how they screwed up years ago?

So they did their job for once and tried to clean up their mess and we are supposed to be happy with it?

It reminds of the saying "we are trying to make chicken parm out of chicken shit"[/quote]

Don't throw good money after bad.

Our other options were to have Cousins tagged again and being paid 34 million or him walking as free agent and hoping a rookie could play well or start Colt.

Alex is just as good as Cousins to me, and 33 isn't old for a qb, he should be solid thru age 35, by that time we have a young guy waiting in the wings.

I'm just glad the team can start planning their off season and draft now.

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[quote=MTK;1187390]Cousins isn't getting traded. They would have to tag him first, and he would have to agree to sign the tag. Not happening.[/quote]

Article lays out the possibility of the transition tag.

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Bolt/Report-Redskins-may-place-transition-tag-on-trade-Kirk-Cousins-114412027/Amp[/url]

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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1187411]Article lays out the possibility of the transition tag.



[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Bolt/Report-Redskins-may-place-transition-tag-on-trade-Kirk-Cousins-114412027/Amp[/url][/QUOTE]


Why would Cousins agree to this?? Makes zero sense. And this article was out before the trade went down.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1187406]As a Skins fan compartmentalizing and having a strong liver are the top 2 requirements lol. I compartmentalize every year into a folder and get my kool-aid jug out for following season. 2018 SB champs![/quote]

If we could win 11-12 games I will gladly eat some crow

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Been reading there was a bidding war in the trade for Smith. Makes me wonder what the Chiefs said 'no' to before they accepted the Skins offer of draft pick and a slot DB.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1187416]Been reading there was a bidding war in the trade for Smith. Makes me wonder what the Chiefs said 'no' to before they accepted the Skins offer of draft pick and a slot DB.[/quote]

some were saying KC wanted a 2nd