Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

Said it last week, I am not sure Bill is a goner after this season

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1238007]McDaniels seems like one of those guys that's good at being a OC but will never be a good HC. And I would never trust a guy who took Tebow in the 1st round. He should never get a job as a HC or have roster say after that shit.[/quote]
This is true.

2 years HC for Denver, Fired.
1 year OC for the 2 win Rams(2011), Told to walk.


Unless he is bringing in a 25 year old Tom Brady with him, I don't want him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1238347]Said it last week, I am not sure Bill is a goner after this season[/quote]

If Snyder wants to sell tickets, he's got to fire Bruce and clean house.

The worst thing skins fans could do now is getting excited by the past couple weeks and start buying tickets. Pretty sure we'll get demolished in green bay and that should bring everyone down to earth. This is still a very very very bad football team.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1238347]Said it last week, I am not sure Bill is a goner after this season[/quote]

A lot of positive talk on the B-Mitch show about Callahan turning things around, like he was some sort of miracle worker. Kind of scary, had me thinking they would keep his sorry ass. His 1963 version of NFL football won't beat anything more than a bottom 10 team.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1238350]If Snyder wants to sell tickets, he's got to fire Bruce and clean house.

The worst thing skins fans could do now is getting excited by the past couple weeks and start buying tickets. Pretty sure we'll get demolished in green bay and that should bring everyone down to earth. This is still a very very very bad football team.[/quote]

If Snyder wants to get the fanbase excited again he will clean house and throw the books at Lincoln Riley and or Urban Meyer / Jim Harbaugh. Hire a legit GM like Lou Riddick and lets get moving.

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

[QUOTE=Warthog;1238323]The real question for this thread should be: who will be our NEW GM? With a real NFL GM, they will bring on the next HC.


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Unfortunately that would be a quick thread because BA aint goin anywhere. [emoji22]

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1238352]If Snyder wants to get the fanbase excited again he will clean house and throw the books at Lincoln Riley and or Urban Meyer / [B]Jim Harbaugh[/B]. Hire a legit GM like Lou Riddick and lets get moving.[/quote]

You think he has worn out his welcome by continually getting thumped by Ohio State, not contending for a play-off spot, and his 1-3 bowl record? He still has improved them a lot over the previous two coaches. If what they claim is true Michigan is never going to contend for a national title as they don't give out cash and other perks to players that violate NCAA rules.

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1238346]Forget Bruce right now. I'm wondering if Snyder will keep Callahan and O'Connell for the sake of Haskins development. Let's just say things keep improving the rest of these last 4 games.[/quote]

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Let's call that the "Freddie Kitchens" effect.

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1238352]If Snyder wants to get the fanbase excited again he will clean house and throw the books at Lincoln Riley and or Urban Meyer / Jim Harbaugh. Hire a legit GM like Lou Riddick and lets get moving.[/quote]

I agree. I think this will honestly be his first choice. I'm sure he's been working the phones do see what kind of splash he can make. I think Bruce and Callahan only stay if Snyder is rejected by everyone else.

Also, if Bruce is fired, I think Gregg Williams is absolutely in play. I could see him keeping much of the offensive staff in tact.

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238355]You think he has worn out his welcome by continually getting thumped by Ohio State, not contending for a play-off spot, and his 1-3 bowl record? He still has improved them a lot over the previous two coaches. If what they claim is true Michigan is never going to contend for a national title as they don't give out cash and other perks to players that violate NCAA rules.[/quote]

That and he was pretty damn good in the pros

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1237980]Josh McDaniel not going to Dallas. He will want large say in roster management like he got in Denver[/quote]

I still don't understand how anyone would hire Josh McDaniel after he wrecked the Broncos. It's not like he is bringing Brady and Belichick with him to any team.

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

I want Riley , dude is an offensive genius and a young fiery coach.. But he ain't leaving Norman for that job

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

Ron Rivera is now available...

[URL]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28219337/ron-rivera-carolina-panthers-coach-nine-seasons[/URL]

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Rivera loses to the Redskins turned out to be promotions for former Redskin Coaches:

Our EX DB coach Perry Fewell is Interim HC.
Norv is taking over as special assistant to the HC.
Norvs son Scott is taking over as OC.

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Rivera as a DC would be cool. Need a HC first.


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[QUOTE=calia;1238378]Rivera as a DC would be cool. Need a HC first.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Ron Rivera as the Head Coach of the Redskins

Although with Dan Synder, I kind of doubt that Ron Rivera would want the job

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[quote=kct1975;1238382]Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Ron Rivera as the Head Coach of the Redskins

Although with Dan Synder, I kind of doubt that Ron Rivera would want the job

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Rivera gets me as excited as Tomlin does...really not moving the needle, but 2 guys with strong leadership skills but have struggled to get team with a lot of talent over the hump.

Again Bruce has to go first.

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

I'd like Ron as the DC not Head coach

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1238386]I'd like Ron as the DC not Head coach[/quote]

Agree, need an offensive minded coach to help develop Haskins. McLaurin looked like a solid #1 WR right out of the box, and Guice had a break out game that makes the future look bright for him. Defense is improving in spite of Manusky.
Just need the QB position to come along and we could be on our way to getting the first double digit win season in a long time.

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Rivera's teams never had much offense outside of that miracle Cam MVP season. We need an offensive mind to get Haskins rolling

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238389]Agree, need an offensive minded coach to help develop Haskins. McLaurin looked like a solid #1 WR right out of the box, and Guice had a break out game that makes the future look bright for him. Defense is improving in spite of Manusky.
Just need the QB position to come along and we could be on our way to getting the first double digit win season in a long time.[/quote]

We don't need an offensive minded head coach to develop Haskins. It really doesn't matter if the HC has an offensive or defensive background. In either case, Haskins development would primarily fall to the offensive coordinator, QB coach, and a good dose of Alex Smith.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1238391]We don't need an offensive minded head coach to develop Haskins. It really doesn't matter if the HC has an offensive or defensive background. In either case, Haskins development would primarily fall to the offensive coordinator, QB coach, and a good dose of Alex Smith.[/quote]

Tell that to Joe Montana and Steve Young who were developed by Bill Walsh and are both in the Hall of Fame.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1238391]We don't need an offensive minded head coach to develop Haskins. It really doesn't matter if the HC has an offensive or defensive background. In either case, Haskins development would primarily fall to the offensive coordinator, QB coach, and a good dose of Alex Smith.[/QUOTE]


Exactly



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Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1238391]We don't need an offensive minded head coach to develop Haskins. It really doesn't matter if the HC has an offensive or defensive background. In either case, Haskins development would primarily fall to the offensive coordinator, QB coach, and a good dose of Alex Smith.[/quote]

Yeah but if you look around the league now a days, the young good QBs all have offensive minded HCs.

Mahomes
Watson
Murray
Goff
Dak

List goes on.

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The best QB of all time is coached by a defensive coach.


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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238392]Tell that to Joe Montana and Steve Young who were developed by Bill Walsh and are both in the Hall of Fame.[/quote]

So... throughout the entire 100 year history of the NFL, you cite two examples of successful QBs who were coached by an offensively minded coach. How, exactly, does this prove that a QB can only succeed if the head coach is offensively minded?

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1238389]Agree, need an offensive minded coach to help develop Haskins. McLaurin looked like a solid #1 WR right out of the box, and Guice had a break out game that makes the future look bright for him. Defense is improving in spite of Manusky.

Just need the QB position to come along and we could be on our way to getting the first double digit win season in a long time.[/QUOTE]I don't know about Rivera but I want a defensive or special teams minded HC with a damn good OC to work with our young offensive group. Too often a HC who knows one side of the ball ends up neglecting that side as the full reality of head coaching responsibilitiws kick in.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1238394]Yeah but if you look around the league now a days, the young good QBs all have offensive minded HCs.

Mahomes
Watson
Murray
Goff
Dak

List goes on.[/quote]

First, why is Jared Goff on this list? He's been awful this year.

Second, the two best young QBs in this league, along with the greatest QB of all time, have defensively minded head coaches.

Russell Wilson
Lamar Jackson
Tom Brady

What is the point? That it does not matter if the head coach is offensive or defensively minded. The head coach is overseeing the entire team: coaching staff and players. He is not spending time developing a QB. He has a coaching staff to do that.

What is important about a head coach is not whether his background is offense or defense. Its that he's smart, a good leader, and assembles a staff that can develop players at all positions on the roster - including QB.

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1238398]First, why is Jared Goff on this list? He's been awful this year.

Second, the two best young QBs in this league, along with the greatest QB of all time, have defensively minded head coaches.

Russell Wilson
Lamar Jackson
Tom Brady

What is the point? That it does not matter if the head coach is offensive or defensively minded. The head coach is overseeing the entire team: coaching staff and players. He is not spending time developing a QB. He has a coaching staff to do that.

What is important about a head coach is not whether his background is offense or defense. Its that he's smart, a good leader, and assembles a staff that can develop players at all positions on the roster - including QB.[/quote]

Goff is about the same as Dak to be honest.

Also Lamar Jackson is not a great QB , he's a great athlete that by this time next year I'll be surprised if he's tearing up the league like he is now.

You also cant count Brady, the dude is the goat.

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I'd like Rivera as our D coordinator, if we could land him. As far as our head coach, I'd prefer a defensive minded coach. Honestly, I don't think it's going to matter too much if Bruce is still around next year.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238392]Tell that to Joe Montana and Steve Young who were developed by Bill Walsh and are both in the Hall of Fame.[/quote]

I'm really more worried about finding a coach that can win a title by working in cohesion with the front office to build a team worthy.

The good coaches in this league adapt to the players they have, they get rid of players playing for selfish reasons (i.e. money or fame) and they bring in guys devoted to team goals. Teams that win titles do so when players start putting team success ahead of personal success.

The right coach will be able to bring in the right staff that will develop Haskins en route to developing an entire team that can compete for a title.

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The HC 's job is to run the team, set the culture of the team, lead the team, make sure he has good assistants, not develop the QB. Having a bad staff can break the HC.

There are plenty of examples of great QB's being on teams w/ defensive coaches. I want the best guy for the job, regardless of what side of the ball he works on.

Haskins can still develop with a defensive coach.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238392]Tell that to Joe Montana and Steve Young who were developed by Bill Walsh and are both in the Hall of Fame.[/quote]

I think Steve Young would tell you that a huge part of his success was because of Mike Holmgren. Young did not become a full time starter until after Walsh had left.

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There has to be a very low chance BA comes back right?? I mean Dan has to see this issue

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1238408]There has to be a very low chance BA comes back right?? I mean Dan has to see this issue[/quote]

One would hope right? But what if we squeak out say two more wins and finish 5-11. God forbid if one of the teams we beat are the Packers. I'm sure Bruce's excuses would consist of the following:

1. Jay was the head coach and didn't want to start Haskins and was 0-5 before being fired. Basically blaming 5 losses on a coach that they fired.

2. We had an interim head coach with a rookie QB that went 5-6, just under .500.

3. The best LT in football held out, OL cohesion, etc.

4. [insert other excuses here]


With the news a while back regarding Bezo potentially helping Dan get a new stadium, one would hope that is true and that he doesn't need Bruce around to get that done any longer.

Either way, until Dan gets out of the way himself, is it really going to matter who he replaces Bruce with? And I'm not saying not to fire him, he should have already been fired a while ago.

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Regarding offense or defensive coach...defense vs. offense, is doesn't matter, football is football. You have to be good at both to be a good head coach.
Leadership, teaching, mentoring player evaluation and organizational skills are just as important.
I think it was Jimmy Johnson or Tony Kornheiser or Micheal Wilbon that said yesterday the that the state of coaching in the NFL is the worst we have seen is 50 years. I agree. There are more really bad teams right now that I have ever seen in my life time. More badly coached teams and players that are uber talented that do not have fundamentals.
The NFL has so many bad teams that we still have a mathematical chance to win the NFC LEast. There are only a few really good teams. It fucking sucks.

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[quote=Defensewins;1238410]Regarding offense or defensive coach...defense vs. offense, is doesn't matter, football is football. You have to be good at both to be a good head coach.
Leadership, teaching, mentoring player evaluation and organizational skills are just as important.
I think it was Jimmy Johnson or Tony Kornheiser or Micheal Wilbon that said yesterday the that the state of coaching in the NFL is the worst we have seen is 50 years. I agree. There are more really bad teams right now that I have ever seen in my life time. More badly coached teams and players that are uber talented that do not have fundamentals.
The NFL has so many bad teams that we still have a mathematical chance to win the NFC LEast. There are only a few really good teams. It fucking sucks.[/quote]

Also HC are given 2-3 years max if not performing. Also, Coordinators less time. You keep switching schemes on both sides, it hurts the quality of ball.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1238406]The HC 's job is to run the team, [B]set the culture of the team,[/B] lead the team, [B]make sure he has good assistants[/B], not develop the QB. Having a bad staff can break the HC.

There are plenty of examples of great QB's being on teams w/ defensive coaches. I want the best guy for the job, regardless of what side of the ball he works on.

Haskins can still develop with a defensive coach.[/quote]

Thought it was important to highlight these two points.

Contrary to the current opinion in our front office, our culture is not "damn good" - its been the complete opposite. The Prince of Darkness has ruined the culture of this team. Jay was a little too easy-going. Whoever we bring in needs to really change that culture and create a professional environment here - from the front office down to the locker room.

To the other point, hiring great assistants really is key. Now, Gruden had some great offensive assistants here - the fact that 2 of them are successful head coaches now is a testament to that. But he could never bring in a good DC. And aside from Tomsula, I don't think any of our other defensive coaches would be ranked in the top half of the league. Gruden had a chance to get Wade Phillips and turned it down. He stubbornly stuck with Manusky last offseason... why? In both instances, there were rumblings that Jay was insecure and afraid to bring in someone who could be viewed as a potential replacement for him should he be fired. His insecurity lead to him NOT making the best hire. The new head coach cannot be that kind of guy. He's got to be someone who not only has the desire, but also the ability, to convince the best assistant coaches available to come here.

Given our reputation in the league, finding the head coach who can do both things is going to be very, very difficult. I sincerely hope Snyder has already started the process of searching for a new GM and/or head coach. I say both because, while traditionally, you'd hire a GM and let him pick the coach, sometimes, if the coach is elite enough, you can do the reverse - you hire the coach and let him select the GM. I don't think there are any coaching candidates out there that have that cache, but its always possible someone unexpected could become available.


There were rumors last offseason that part of the reason Jay

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[quote=Chico23231;1238411]Also HC are given 2-3 years max if not performing. Also, Coordinators less time. You keep switching schemes on both sides, it hurts the quality of ball.[/quote]

If we were to somehow land a proven elite coach, I'd be all for signing him to a longer than normal contact, for just that reason. Perhaps nothing as crazy as the 10 year deal Gruden got, but more than the usual 4 years than is usually given to the lower-tier guys.

If we can get the right coach and GM, i'd love to do what SF did when they gave Shanahan and Lynch 6 year contracts right off the bat. Giving them that commitment right off the bat so they both know they have some time and aren't under the pressure to sacrifice the long-term to win now.

Re: Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1238412]Thought it was important to highlight these two points.

Contrary to the current opinion in our front office, our culture is not "damn good" - its been the complete opposite. The Prince of Darkness has ruined the culture of this team. Jay was a little too easy-going. Whoever we bring in needs to really change that culture and create a professional environment here - from the front office down to the locker room.

To the other point, hiring great assistants really is key. Now, Gruden had some great offensive assistants here - the fact that 2 of them are successful head coaches now is a testament to that. But he could never bring in a good DC. And aside from Tomsula, I don't think any of our other defensive coaches would be ranked in the top half of the league. Gruden had a chance to get Wade Phillips and turned it down. He stubbornly stuck with Manusky last offseason... why? In both instances, there were rumblings that Jay was insecure and afraid to bring in someone who could be viewed as a potential replacement for him should he be fired. His insecurity lead to him NOT making the best hire. The new head coach cannot be that kind of guy. He's got to be someone who not only has the desire, but also the ability, to convince the best assistant coaches available to come here.

Given our reputation in the league, finding the head coach who can do both things is going to be very, very difficult. I sincerely hope Snyder has already started the process of searching for a new GM and/or head coach. I say both because, while traditionally, you'd hire a GM and let him pick the coach, sometimes, if the coach is elite enough, you can do the reverse - you hire the coach and let him select the GM. I don't think there are any coaching candidates out there that have that cache, but its always possible someone unexpected could become available.


There were rumors last offseason that part of the reason Jay[/quote]

Didn't it come out after Jay's firing that Jay wanted Manusky gone but he (Gruden) did not have the power to hire / fire staff?