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[quote=Warthog;1238878]You may be right. But then on the last drive I see Haskins drive the offense down the field for a score. Until Haskins has a unfettered OC with a real NFL offensive scheme, I think you have to give him more time. Ultimately he may end up being a RG3, Jason Campbell or Heath Shuler draft busts. But when you use a first round #15 pick you have to give him a proper shot.


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Do you mean when McLaughlin had to reach back to make a one handed grab cause the pass was so far behind him? That has nothing to do with the OC. He simply can't consistently hit open wr's.

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[quote=punch it in;1238870]Gtfoh with the bullshit cred. Haskins doesn’t look good. The team doesn’t look good. Our owner is a shit. Our gm is a shit. So sorry im not rah rah enough for you.[/quote]

I would disagree the team doesn't look good. Haskins certainly doesn't. If we had a competent QB and better coaching we win that game today. IMO there are some good pieces on this team to build around.

This team needs a QB, another good draft and hit on a couple free agents.

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OK, my take moving forward..............We are fine with Haskins and our WR's & RB's ......whether through FA or draft.....or trade.........we need a pass catching TE.....we need several quality OL guys.....and we need some quality n our DB's . Remember Reuben Foster is due back and our DL is solid. If Alex Smith can't come back ,we need a backup QB not on this team now. It looks like the Giants will get Chase Young.......we better get someone to block him. Bruce Allen must go. I wouldn't be totally upset to see Callahan stay if we can't do better. I'm 50/50 on Manusky. now since the D is playing much better. I think we part ways with Trent,Reed,Norman, McCoy,Keenum, Thompson, but Vernon Davis is worth keeping.....and a few others are on the bubble.

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[quote=punch it in;1238870]Gtfoh with the bullshit cred. Haskins doesn’t look good. The team doesn’t look good. Our owner is a shit. Our gm is a shit. So sorry im not rah rah enough for you.[/quote]

Anyone seeing weekly improvement out of Haskins must be guzzling a fifth before the game and watching the game on a circa 1955 TV through rose colored glasses. Once again he doesn't pass 100 net yards passing till down double digits in the 4th. So far he full on sucks, real bad. He collects drive killing sacks like they are going out of style. He is pretty much the only part of the team that hasn't improved since Gruden was canned.

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[quote=punch it in;1238870]Gtfoh with the bullshit cred. Haskins doesn’t look good. The team doesn’t look good. Our owner is a shit. Our gm is a shit. So sorry im not rah rah enough for you.[/quote]

I said one positive per quarter. I didn't say be rah rah about Haskins. Warthog is right - none of it matters if Snyder doesn't morph into a good owner and fire BA. But if he does, then the new HC/GM duo is getting good film on Haskins so that they can decide what they have. That's better than watching Case Keenum or Colt McCoy play these last few games.

And there were several positives, Ionaiddis, McLauren, Anderson, and the D stepping up after the start of the game.

Just one positive a quarter, that's all. We all know the crap you feel towards the team, and we all feel that too.

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We suck, the o line sucks, and the playcalling worse than sucks. Anyone that expects Haskins to flourish is asking for the impossible.

How can a rookie QB on a bad team succeed with

1st down: run
2nd down: run
3rd down: Convert with an overrated as fuck OL, young WRs, and against a D that knows you have to throw it

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1238884]OK, my take moving forward..............We are fine with Haskins and our WR's & RB's ......whether through FA or draft.....or trade.........we need a pass catching TE.....we need several quality OL guys.....and we need some quality n our DB's . Remember Reuben Foster is due back and our DL is solid. If Alex Smith can't come back ,we need a backup QB not on this team now. It looks like the Giants will get Chase Young.......we better get someone to block him. Bruce Allen must go. I wouldn't be totally upset to see Callahan stay if we can't do better. I'm 50/50 on Manusky. now since the D is playing much better. I think we part ways with Trent,Reed,Norman, McCoy,Keenum, Thompson, but Vernon Davis is worth keeping.....and a few others are on the bubble.[/quote]

Dude if we don’t fire Bruce and completely fire the entire coaching staff I’m going to be livid.

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[quote=Warthog;1238878]You may be right. But then on the last drive I see Haskins drive the offense down the field for a score. Until Haskins has a unfettered OC with a real NFL offensive scheme, I think you have to give him more time. Ultimately he may end up being a RG3, Jason Campbell or Heath Shuler draft busts. But when you use a first round #15 pick you have to give him a proper shot.


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He only needs more time because he has horrendous fundamental flaws that could improve his accuracy if corrected. Right now it is an insult to RG3 to compare the two. Haskins has had a grand total of zero games where he hasn't been a boat anchor to the offense in 6 appearances. He has a 58.5 QB rating so far in his rookie year, RG3 was a 102.4. How is Haskins going to do when the league figures him out? Please stop being hopeful about this guy, he has shown NOTHING so far.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238894]He only needs more time because he has horrendous fundamental flaws that could improve his accuracy if corrected. Right now it is an insult to RG3 to compare the two. Haskins has had a grand total of zero games where he hasn't been a boat anchor to the offense in 6 appearances. He has a 58.5 QB rating so far in his rookie year, RG3 was a 102.4. How is Haskins going to do when the league figures him out? Please stop being hopeful about this guy, he has shown NOTHING so far.[/quote]

RG3'S rookie year, we had excellent playcalling based on his talents.

It's also insulting to Haskins to act like all things are equal. This coaching staff is setting him up for failure.

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Just don't get the constant shitting on Haskins with what he is given to work with. And considering he was always considered to be a project due to limited starts at OSU.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1238881] Otherwise I thought these guys played hard, but they got no help from the coaches. Who the fuck is calling that an NFL offense? Unimaginative, predictable that is the Redskins offense. They should have put Case in the game if you ask me.[/quote]

I said the same thing re: your entire post. Almost verbatim.

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The fact is Haskins doesn't look good but he's also a rookie that played 1 year in college.. There is no reason to call him a bust yet, now if he sucks next yr then yeah he's a bust most likely

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1238906]The fact is Haskins doesn't look good but he's also a rookie that played 1 year in college.. There is no reason to call him a bust yet, now if he sucks next yr then yeah he's a bust most likely[/quote]

+1

ITT: a bunch of guys mad because our new QB doesn't work right fresh out of the box.

Let's see what he can do next year with a year under his belt and a fresh coaching staff and some new talent at key positions. You guys are acting like we surrounded him with a cast of all-pros.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1238906]The fact is Haskins doesn't look good but he's also a rookie [B]that played 1 year in college.. [/B]There is no reason to call him a bust yet, now if he sucks next yr then yeah he's a bust most likely[/quote]

That is not an excuse to throw wild passes and not have your feet set so you can throw the ball with some kind of accuracy.

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Your absolutely right about everything


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True to a certain extent...but when the defense doesn't respect you,you have to prove yourself...and he's is not...

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He definitely will get that chance...will be interesting to see who will be coaching him

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[quote=tsmia4fun;1238921]He definitely will get that chance...will be interesting to see who will be coaching him

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No offense, but you can comment in the same post, instead of making three separate posts back-to-back.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1238882]Do you mean when McLaughlin had to reach back to make a one handed grab cause the pass was so far behind him? That has nothing to do with the OC. He simply can't consistently hit open wr's.[/QUOTE]



He has accuracy problems, yes. His footwork needs work, yes. But when the OC ran a series of plays not geared to some archaic and super predictable 1960’s style of run oriented offense, he drove the team down the field.

The OL is weak in pass protection, the OC or Callahan is calling a very predictable, super run-heavy offensive scheme, the RB (both AP and Thompson) routinely miss blocks in pass protection. We have poor TE. Our starting WR are all new. It would be difficult for anyone to succeed consistently with these handicaps. Not excusing his play, nor am I saying he will succeed in the NFL. But calling a rookie QB a bust after 4 games is premature. Maybe we’ll know more by the end of the season.

The team has a great draft pick coming up. Maybe in the top 3. It’s important that if BA is fired and we get a good or very good HC that the team use this draft pick well. If the team wastes that pick on another QB, when there are 3 holes on the OL, or Chase Young is available that would hurt the team just when we have a chance to dig itself out of the crater that Snyder and BA have made.

It’s easy to say, Haskin’s sucks, Sweat sucks. Until this team is properly coached it’s tough to evaluate rookie players. I myself reserve judgement until the season is over and we see how much Haskins grows or doesn’t grow in the next three games. You can’t succeed in the NFL unless you have a franchise QB. We need to get one whether it’s Haskins or someone in this draft.


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[quote=Warthog;1238929]He has accuracy problems, yes. His footwork needs work, yes. But when the OC ran a series of plays not geared to some archaic and super predictable 1960’s style of run oriented offense, he drove the team down the field.

The OL is weak in pass protection, the OC or Callahan is calling a very predictable, super run-heavy offensive scheme, the RB (both AP and Thompson) routinely miss blocks in pass protection. We have poor TE. Our starting WR are all new. It would be difficult for anyone to succeed consistently with these handicaps. Not excusing his play, nor am I saying he will succeed in the NFL. But calling a rookie QB a bust after 4 games is premature. Maybe we’ll know more by the end of the season.

The team has a great draft pick coming up. Maybe in the top 3. It’s important that if BA is fired and we get a good or very good HC that the team use this draft pick well. If the team wastes that pick on another QB, when there are 3 holes on the OL, or Chase Young is available that would hurt the team just when we have a chance to dig itself out of the crater that Snyder and BA have made.

It’s easy to say, Haskin’s sucks, Sweat sucks. Until this team is properly coached it’s tough to evaluate rookie players. I myself reserve judgement until the season is over and we see how much Haskins grows or doesn’t grow in the next three games. You can’t succeed in the NFL unless you have a franchise QB. We need to get one whether it’s Haskins or someone in this draft.


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I totally agree......

... though I would add one further point, even if we accept that Haskins is a bust, drafting a quarterback in round 1 this year makes no sense unless you commit to spending a small fortune on O line FAs, otherwise the new guy will get killed an we will be back to where we started
Any new coach/gm has a lot of work to do to fix this mess, give them a year or two to get things sorted, especially the Oline, then draft a quarterback. Haskins will have then had a fair chance to prove his worth, or not

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1238906]The fact is Haskins doesn't look good but he's also a rookie that played 1 year in college.. There is no reason to call him a bust yet, now if he sucks next yr then yeah he's a bust most likely[/quote]


[B][B][B][quote=skinsfan69;1238917]That is not an excuse to throw wild passes and not have your feet set so you can throw the ball with some kind of accuracy.[/quote][/B][/B][/B]

I don't understand why people ignore this. His terrible fundamentals have nothing to do with a lack of starts in college. Live snaps in a game are not where a QB works on his footwork. I am pretty sure I could find a 5th grade flag football QB more fundamentally sound as Haskins.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238946][B][B][B][/B][/B][/B]

I don't understand why people ignore this. His terrible fundamentals have nothing to do with a lack of starts in college. Live snaps in a game are not where a QB works on his footwork. I am pretty sure I could find a 5th grade flag football QB more fundamentally sound as Haskins.[/quote]

No it doesn't have much to do with mechanics but I'm also talking about experience in general, in all fairness its not like Keenum was setting the world on fire either and he's a seasoned vet. I'm all for drafting Joe Burrow but if you do that he better be the guy for sure.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1238917]That is not an excuse to throw wild passes and not have your feet set so you can throw the ball with some kind of accuracy.[/quote]

What baffles me about Haskins is he will display poor techniques with a clean pocket and open throwing lanes. I can't recall seeing anyone in the NFL do this. Until that garbage is cleaned up it won't matter what talent is around him and who is calling the plays.

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Sorry,I'm new to this...so not sure how to put my response in order.lol

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Anyone notice how much better the pass defense is without Norman?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238951]What baffles me about Haskins is he will display poor techniques with a clean pocket and open throwing lanes. I can't recall seeing anyone in the NFL do this. Until that garbage is cleaned up it won't matter what talent is around him and who is calling the plays.[/quote]

Well Pat Mahomes is one guy who is all over the place with his mechanics but it doesn't matter. If a coach came in to KC and tried to fix him that would be the dumbest coach ever. He can still play at the highest level throwing off his back foot just cause he's an elite player. DH is not that.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1238977]Anyone notice how much better the pass defense is without Norman?[/quote]

IDK about that. They still had a chance to get off the field on a 3rd and 14 in the 4th q and they gave up a big play. And it was the same two guys, Montae and Moreau. Montae is just not a good free safety at all. He is a backup at best.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1238980]Well Pat Mahomes is one guy who is all over the place with his mechanics but it doesn't matter. If a coach came in to KC and tried to fix him that would be the dumbest coach ever. He can still play at the highest level throwing off his back foot just cause he's an elite player. DH is not that.[/quote]

I honestly have not seen Mahomes play much. Brett Favre used to throw mechanics all to hell when he was under duress and often get away with it, but he is the all time leader in throwing interceptions. The deal with Haskins is he throws side armed, off his back foot, etc,etc when he has a clean pocket and open throwing lanes.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238984]I honestly have not seen Mahomes play much. Brett Favre used to throw mechanics all to hell when he was under duress and often get away with it, but he is the all time leader in throwing interceptions. The deal with Haskins is he throws side armed, off his back foot, etc,etc when he has a clean pocket and open throwing lanes.[/quote]

Mahomes gets away with it because he is very accurate, Dwayne is not so he can't pull the same shit. He pretty much has to pick apart teams from the pocket and that also has to be helped by his OC / Playmakers

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I’ve been saying Haskins needs a very good QB coach. He has happy feet because he is under a lot of pressure most of the time and it even translates to well protected plays. HOWEVER, he does throw better when he is protected.

The real question is whether we roll the dice on drafting TUA, because Burrow will be gone by our draft pick. Tua is super accurate and would have been the NUMBER ONE draft pick before his hip injury. But now questions are out there about his durability and long-term health in the NFL. Only Tua has the long-term “IT” factor that is worth giving up on Haskins after half a season of poor coaching, lousy playcalling, crappy OL and throwing to a rookie WR group.

If Haskins shows no sign of improvement then this will be the first and most difficult decision for the next HC and GM. Who do we draft in 2020 with our first round draft pick? Do we pass up on Chase Young, who would take Kerrigan’s spot and energize and lead a young and talented defense? Do we pass up on an OT (Thomas) who will protect the QB’s back for a decade? With the proper QB and OC coaching and surrounded by a decent offense do we totally give up on Haskins, as we did for Cousins, Crowder, Preston Smith, Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan? All players and coachs who have FLOURISHED and improved after leaving this dumpster fire of a team and coaching?

Haskins may end up being a draft bust, just like RG3, Jason Campbell and Shuler before him. But we have left a lot of really good, excellent and perhaps with time, great players and coaches leave this team. The decision the new HC has: Haskins or Tua, will define this team for a decade. It’s not an easy decision. Only TUA offers the promise of bring an outstanding QB and is worth using our Uber-high draft pick and effectively giving up on Haskins.




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