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That was a good start to the Riverboat Ron era of Redskins football but, and this is a nitpick, some one dropped the ball on the press conference setup, not putting a jersey where RR expected it. The Skins media group has always been lacking, and this was a muff on his intro press conference.

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Also, why should a coach commit to a QB that he wasn't part of selecting, nor has had the time to review tape or see the other options. It's not like he's coming on a team with a Rodgers, Brees, Brady, etc....

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[quote=NC_Skins;1241788]Also, why should a coach commit to a QB that he wasn't part of selecting, nor has had the time to review tape or see the other options. It's not like he's coming on a team with a Rodgers, Brees, Brady, etc....[/quote]

+1

I'm not reading into it too much, if I had to guess I'd say he's gonna make Haskins earn that starting job. Not a big deal to me.

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[quote=mooby;1241789]+1

I'm not reading into it too much, if I had to guess I'd say he's gonna make Haskins earn that starting job. Not a big deal to me.[/quote]

Earning your job. I remember that. Old school.

RR said in the press conference, "Things will begin and end with one simple principle...discipline. I come from a military family where discipline isn't taught, it is lived. It is expected from day 1.....you are NOT to going to play for this team or work for this team if you do not have it.....no exceptions...no excuses."

After Jay Gruden this is a breath of fresh air.

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There will probably be quite a few guys gone. Everyone is all about discipline until actually having it enforced. Club Jay guys are going bye bye.

Bama Boys gotta be excited.

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I have to say, I am more optimistic about the direction we're headed than I can recall for a long, long time. Since Gibbs 2.0 (even RGIII's rookie year made me think that it was too good to be true, and it was). Rivera will set a real tone. I just hope that he can get a good GM that he can work with. I understand the desire to lock him in as quickly as possible which is why he was hired before a GM, but that is one hiccup over the course of the last week or so.

Mostly, I am glad that Snyder shit-canned Allen. I said that he had 24 hours to do that after the season ended, or I was done for good. And quite remarkably, he did.

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I would add that in his introductory remarks, Snyder said that the Redskins needed a culture shift. That was a complete (if unintended) rebuke of Allen's stupid "damn good culture" gaffe.

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[quote=mooby;1241717]Source? I've heard he wants a partnership with the GM and would like to have the ability to take any disagreements to the owner to settle, but I've heard nothing about him wanting full control on the draft.[/quote]

I've read it several times but here's the link I found, [URL="https://riggosrag.com/2019/12/30/assessing-the-redskins-coaching-options-former-panthers-hc-ron-rivera/5/"]per Julie Donaldson NBC Sports Washington[/URL]:

"Am told Rivera would have total control and final say on Draft. Gives time to evaluate scouting staff. ALL this given unless something in meeting tomorrow goes wrong"

I'dd add it goes along with Dan saying Ron Rivera is going to be the one and only voice of the Redkins in the press conf.

Our Head Coach is gonna be the face of this franchise and I'm on board with that.

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[quote=calia;1241794]I would add that in his introductory remarks, Snyder said that the Redskins needed a culture shift. That was a complete (if unintended) rebuke of Allen's stupid "damn good culture" gaffe.[/quote]

Agreed, it stroke me as the best form of self awareness and awakening we could hope for coming for him !

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To me, this was the most eyebrow raising and hope-inducing thing I read today:

[QUOTE]Rivera said there was no reason to wait. He said he had pointed discussions with Snyder about his ownership tenure. Rivera said they went through every aspect of the organization.

"That's what I was really impressed with. He was willing to sit there and go through it piece by piece, and we truly did," Rivera said. "We talked an awful lot about those things. We talked about the things that he's learned, and he's grown as a person and as an owner. It was a very frank conversation. He was very honest, very upfront and very candid."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]And those close to him say seeing Snyder get emotional about the franchise during their meetings helped win him over.[/QUOTE]

What Snyder has learned, how he has grown, candid, emotional. Dare it be seen as the quintessential Come To Jesus moment?

John Keim, great piece of writing as always.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28411228/redskins-ron-rivera-envision-right-fit-new-era-begins-dc[/url]

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1241795]I've read it several times but here's the link I found, [URL="https://riggosrag.com/2019/12/30/assessing-the-redskins-coaching-options-former-panthers-hc-ron-rivera/5/"]per Julie Donaldson NBC Sports Washington[/URL]:

"Am told Rivera would have total control and final say on Draft. Gives time to evaluate scouting staff. ALL this given unless something in meeting tomorrow goes wrong"

I'dd add it goes along with Dan saying Ron Rivera is going to be the one and only voice of the Redkins in the press conf.

Our Head Coach is gonna be the face of this franchise and I'm on board with that.[/quote]

The way I took your post was that Ron Rivera had asked for total control over the draft process. That's my bad for misinterpreting your post.

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[quote=Schneed10;1241799]


What Snyder has learned, how he has grown, candid, emotional. Dare it be seen as the quintessential Come To Jesus moment?

[/quote]

Don't do it Schneed! I don't want to believe Dan Snyder has come to Jesus until I see it with mine own eyes.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1241799]To me, this was the most eyebrow raising and hope-inducing thing I read today:











What Snyder has learned, how he has grown, candid, emotional. Dare it be seen as the quintessential Come To Jesus moment?



John Keim, great piece of writing as always.



[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28411228/redskins-ron-rivera-envision-right-fit-new-era-begins-dc[/url][/QUOTE]That article, and the in depth discussions DS and Joe Gibbs had with Rivera were definitely hope inspiring. Gibbs also told RR the key to success with Snyder, and I think it is dead on and what we have lacked.
[QUOTE]After that meeting, Rivera met with Gibbs. The Hall of Fame coach gave Rivera this message: Snyder is passionate and will do what you ask, but you must be upfront with him and keep him in the loop.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241802]That article, and the in depth discussions DS and Joe Gibbs had with Rivera were definitely hope inspiring. Gibbs also told RR the key to success with Snyder, and I think it is dead on and what we have lacked.


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Keep him in the loop. Makes all the sense in the world. His whole life he was a Skins fan. He just wants to be part of it. To a fault for sure, so much that he has overreached, meddled, buddied up to players. So make your decisions, just let him feel a part of it.

Gibbs is the master at handling people.

He makes it sound so easy, Dan Snyder obviously isn’t easy. But this is very insightful, thanks for sharing.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241802]That article, and the in depth discussions DS and Joe Gibbs had with Rivera were definitely hope inspiring. Gibbs also told RR the key to success with Snyder, and I think it is dead on and what we have lacked.


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And like I mentioned a few days back, that is your outside group Snyder was working with. Both live in Charlotte it made sense for Snyder to arrange the meeting.

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The fact that Gibbs was as deeply involved in this as we’re all learning, and the fact that Gibbs told him to get Rivera is all I need to hear.

In Gibbs We Trust.


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Maybe I'm an idiot but I'm gonna roll with Dan on this one. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's finally getting it. Give me the king size koolaid cup.

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I want to say one more time how blown away I am that none of this leaked out.

35 hours at Dan Snyders house over the 3 weeks leading to BA's firing.
Discussions between Rivera and Gibbs.
Family pasta nights!

And then Schaefer leaks his own non-dismissal.

We had a rat in BA and any rats that are left need to be trapped and released into the wildernes. I AM NOT definitively calling Schaefer a BA rat but his move was pretty cheesy.



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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1241759]I knew I wasn’t the only one who caught that.





What in God’s name was that shit about?[/QUOTE]A joke is a good way of starting a public speaking opportunity, especially if you are uncomfortable. My guess is it was Snyders self deprecating joke to take the edge of the speech.

And man he looked short standing at the podium AND next to Rivera!


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Snyder actually spoke. You could see how nervous he was...lol

I like that Gibbs was involved simply because Dan respects him so much. It's the honeymoon phase so everyone's happy right now. But it was so good to hear this guy talk, he commands the freakin' room. These guys will get this defense better. Very confident in that. But he isn't a miracle worker. The last game he coached his defense looked like they quit on the guy if you ask me. My only concern is will he be too old school? Especially when it comes to the offense...

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[quote=mooby;1241800]The way I took your post was that Ron Rivera had asked for total control over the draft process. That's my bad for misinterpreting your post.[/quote]

Maybe my post wasn't that clear either. My overall point is Rivera is asking for, and getting, way more control than the previous coaches were getting. And that's including Shanahan who was overruled by the owner on his effin' starting QB.

Rivera obviously is aware of the previous mistakes made by this organisation, and it seems he sat down and talked about it with Dan in a honest and up front enough way to get insurance he wouldn't get down that road with him.

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I believe that after 20 years of failure Dan Snyder finally got it right. He set up a secret group of NFL guru’s (who are not with the Redskins) and have them analyze the franchise over a month before Black Monday. Snyder talked to Gibbs (and probably his secret team) who recommended Rivera. Then Snyder called RR and begin to sell himself and this team. Snyder made Rivera care about correcting this failed franchise. Dan proved to RR that he desperately cares about the ‘skins and that he would make whatever changes were necessary - including changing himself!!

It is clear to me that RR also talked to Snyder frankly about Dan’s many failures as an owner - such as by meddling directly in football decisions or using his toady, Bruce Allen, to do it for him on the sly. Snyder also probably had to admit to his micromanagement concerning player issues or using his VP/GM (Cerrato/Allen) to make many franchise decisions outside their scope of control.

I give Snyder credit for discussing these issues frankly with RR and admitting to his MANY MISTAKES. It’s tough to acknowledge one’s large errors in front of a potential employee.

Look where this team is compared to our competition. We’ve moved quite fast, but with deliberation, and secured one of the best HC out of the group of candidates!! I remember reading an article on the NFL HC search about 3 weeks ago, which asserted that because the Redskins were one of the WORST teams and had the WEAKEST management (out of the eight or nine teams without a coach) that we’d ONLY secure our HC by taking someone from inside the team’s management. Inbreeding. How wrong the author was about Snyder and this team. He moved quickly with his advisors, fixed on his target HC, schmoozed him, acknowledged his past mistakes to RR, promised not to repeat these errors, hired RR, and stood out of the way as Rivera began to build his staff, gather the best coaches, while getting rid of the old dead wood coaches.

Finally, I liked that Dan started the press conference, even though he is clearly very nervous as a public speaker. Even though he is disliked by the fans and media. That takes guts to be on live tv! He said that the franchise starts and ends with Rivera. Also, he boldly stated that Rivera is in charge of building a WINNING CULTURE!

This is what many of us wanted. It’s time to believe again! Although I still think we’ll be average next year, we will build a winning culture and we could go far. This team is finally making the right moves. I never thought I ever say this but, “well done Dan Snyder!”


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DS is taking heat for the happy thanksgiving, I thought it was meant to be a joke.

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[quote=mredskins;1241820]DS is taking heat for the happy thanksgiving, I thought it was meant to be a joke.[/quote]

I took it a a joke, but i have to admit, it was awkward. I thought i had an issue with public speaking. Now i understand why he doesn't speak to the media.

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[quote=Warthog;1241816]I believe that after 20 years of failure Dan Snyder finally got it right. He set up a secret group of NFL guru’s (who are not with the Redskins) and have them analyze the franchise over a month before Black Monday. Snyder talked to Gibbs (and probably his secret team) who recommended Rivera. Then Snyder called RR and begin to sell himself and this team. Snyder made Rivera care about correcting this failed franchise. Dan proved to RR that he desperately cares about the ‘skins and that he would make whatever changes were necessary - including changing himself!!

It is clear to me that RR also talked to Snyder frankly about Dan’s many failures as an owner - such as by meddling directly in football decisions or using his toady, Bruce Allen, to do it for him on the sly. Snyder also probably had to admit to his micromanagement concerning player issues or using his VP/GM (Cerrato/Allen) to make many franchise decisions outside their scope of control.

I give Snyder credit for discussing these issues frankly with RR and admitting to his MANY MISTAKES. It’s tough to acknowledge one’s large errors in front of a potential employee.

Look where this team is compared to our competition. We’ve moved quite fast, but with deliberation, and secured one of the best HC out of the group of candidates!! I remember reading an article on the NFL HC search about 3 weeks ago, which asserted that because the Redskins were one of the WORST teams and had the WEAKEST management (out of the eight or nine teams without a coach) that we’d ONLY secure our HC by taking someone from inside the team’s management. Inbreeding. How wrong the author was about Snyder and this team. He moved quickly with his advisors, fixed on his target HC, schmoozed him, acknowledged his past mistakes to RR, promised not to repeat these errors, hired RR, and stood out of the way as Rivera began to build his staff, gather the best coaches, while getting rid of the old dead wood coaches.

Finally, I liked that Dan started the press conference, even though he is clearly very nervous as a public speaker. Even though he is disliked by the fans and media. That takes guts to be on live tv! He said that the franchise starts and ends with Rivera. Also, he boldly stated that Rivera is in charge of building a WINNING CULTURE!

This is what many of us wanted. It’s time to believe again! Although I still think we’ll be average next year, we will build a winning culture and we could go far. This team is finally making the right moves. I never thought I ever say this but, “well done Dan Snyder!”


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]Great post! Snyder did impress me reaching out to the outside panel to fix this trainwreck. Landing Rivera and Del Rio is no joke at all. Very excited about the prospects. Want to know what's going to happen with o coordinator, gm, and other vacancies. Team desperately needs a marketing coordinator of some type also with all the recent issues. Pleased with the offseason thus far though.

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I'm going to take a wait and see approach. I just don't trust Snyder. Particularly when it comes to Haskins. It didn't sound like RR was all in with him, nor should he be. That's Dan's guy. We shall see how that plays out if RR doesn't end up wanting him..

I think I got a chub when he started talking about the defense.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1241825]I'm going to take a wait and see approach. I just don't trust Snyder. Particularly when it comes to Haskins. It didn't sound like RR was all in with him, nor should he be. That's Dan's guy. We shall see how that plays out if RR doesn't end up wanting him..

I think I got a chub when he started talking about the defense.[/quote]I think Snyder will behave (fingers crossed). Feel it was a massive wake up call with the attendance figures regressing and the opposing fans there. He better realize he has no other option at this point. He needs to understand he doesn't know football and not get attached to players. Rivera needs to tell him to stay the heck out of his way. Snyder is VERY VERY lucky to have landed Rivera/Del Rio. I shudder at the notion of him screwing this up.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1241827]I think Snyder will behave (fingers crossed). Feel it was a massive wake up call with the attendance figures regressing and the opposing fans there. He better realize he has no other option at this point. He needs to understand he doesn't know football and not get attached to players. Rivera needs to tell him to stay the heck out of his way. Snyder is VERY VERY lucky to have landed Rivera/Del Rio. I shudder at the notion of him screwing this up.[/quote]

I hoping so, but Im not gonna jump to conclusions...I remember the Shanny hire. That was a big deal.

The question for me is who is the GM

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[quote=Chico23231;1241828]I hoping so, but Im not gonna jump to conclusions...I remember the Shanny hire. That was a big deal.

The question for me is who is the GM[/quote]That's what I wanna know also. Frankly, don't like the fact that will be addressed supposedly after the draft. Just think it would be addressed now.

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[quote=mredskins;1241820]DS is taking heat for the happy thanksgiving, I thought it was meant to be a joke.[/quote]

It was a joke he just didn’t set it up properly

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[quote=skinsfan69;1241825]I'm going to take a wait and see approach. I just don't trust Snyder. Particularly when it comes to Haskins. It didn't sound like RR was all in with him, nor should he be. That's Dan's guy. We shall see how that plays out if RR doesn't end up wanting him..

I think I got a chub when he started talking about the defense.[/quote]

RR will make everyone earn his job, the old school approach so many of us have been begging for

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[quote=MTK;1241831]It was a joke he just didn’t set it up properly[/quote]

ok yeah i agree

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1241830]That's what I wanna know also. Frankly, don't like the fact that will be addressed supposedly after the draft. Just think it would be addressed now.[/quote]

1. The Ron hire and the Dan press conference (which he did a great job and said all the right things) have come off great

2. Combined with the young talent, No 2 pick and Cap space

3. Bruce out of organization


The Skins brand is on an upswing, if you wanted to attract a top notch GM candidate from outside the organization, now is the time.

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Great article everyone should read this

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001092047/article/silver-ron-rivera-ready-to-roll-into-next-hc-job"]Silver: Ron Rivera 'ready to roll' into next HC job[/URL]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1241825]I'm going to take a wait and see approach. I just don't trust Snyder. Particularly when it comes to Haskins. [B]It didn't sound like RR was all in with him, nor should he be[/B]. That's Dan's guy. We shall see how that plays out if RR doesn't end up wanting him..

I think I got a chub when he started talking about the defense.[/quote]

I wouldn't read too much into it. To me it was RR setting a tone of no job is gonna be given, every job's is gonna be earned. Which is fine.

And he might end up thinking starting another QB is the best thing to do, but I don't think that comment was anything else than setting a tone and telling Haskins he better work his ass off and say what he's told.

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[quote=MTK;1241835]Great article everyone should read this

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001092047/article/silver-ron-rivera-ready-to-roll-into-next-hc-job"]Silver: Ron Rivera 'ready to roll' into next HC job[/URL][/quote]

This article is a must read...I posted it the other day and there are numerous take aways but my favorite thing:


"This player said, 'You know -- this is how we did it last year. It worked out great for us. I'm not sure why he wants to change things,'" Rivera recalled. "And I frickin' lost my mind. I had this Powerpoint (presentation) all set, (but instead) I walked into this meeting -- I had the newspaper rolled up -- and I got in front of the team.

"I said, 'Let me tell you guys something, just so you f------ guys understand this. If you do things the way we ask, the way you're coached, the way it's planned, and it works, you guys will get all the kudos. If it fails it's on me, cause that's what I'm telling you. But if you go out and do your own damn thing and we f------ lose it is on you, and I will never fall on the sword for you again. That's f------ bulls----. Sit there and say that what we did last year worked? So 2-14 was f----- good enough for you guys? F--- you.' And I threw the paper down and walked out.

"I was very blunt about it. And that's it. [B]If they're not all in, if they're not willing to do it your way, it's time to f----- get rid of those guys. And that's what happened; we systematically got rid of guys that weren't doing it our way." [/B]

Players like Antonio Brown, ODB Jr, need not apply

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Another good read here

[URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28411228/redskins-ron-rivera-envision-right-fit-new-era-begins-dc"]Redskins, Ron Rivera envision 'right fit' as new era begins in D.C.[/URL]

Sounds like Gibbs was a big factor

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I was listening to the morning show on Sirius XM NFL radio and Bob Papa was talking about the Rivera hire. They were discussing Snyder’s past history of meddling and Bon said he has a friend in the Skins organization he spoke with during the week 16 Giants game and Bob was asking the guy about this topic. Bob said the guy from the Skins organization said you would be surprised how hands odd Snyder has been the last couple of years despite what the media would tell you. He said it basically had been the Bruce Allen show.

Hopefully this guy is right and Dan has been trying to stay away, he was just letting the wrong person lead things. I’m hopeful!!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;1241825]I'm going to take a wait and see approach. I just don't trust Snyder. Particularly when it comes to Haskins. It didn't sound like RR was all in with him, nor should he be. That's Dan's guy. We shall see how that plays out if RR doesn't end up wanting him..

I think I got a chub when he started talking about the defense.[/quote]

Yeah the only thing that made me raise my eyebrows in the Kiem article was Ron saying he was too impatient and so was Snyder in regards to a five year rebuild (TBH I don't think anyone wants a five year rebuild). I don't want the Snyder pendulum swing to go back to an impatient Snyder.

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[quote=Chico23231;1241838]This article is a must read...I posted it the other day and there are numerous take aways but my favorite thing:


"This player said, 'You know -- this is how we did it last year. It worked out great for us. I'm not sure why he wants to change things,'" Rivera recalled. "And I frickin' lost my mind. I had this Powerpoint (presentation) all set, (but instead) I walked into this meeting -- I had the newspaper rolled up -- and I got in front of the team.

"I said, 'Let me tell you guys something, just so you f------ guys understand this. If you do things the way we ask, the way you're coached, the way it's planned, and it works, you guys will get all the kudos. If it fails it's on me, cause that's what I'm telling you. But if you go out and do your own damn thing and we f------ lose it is on you, and I will never fall on the sword for you again. That's f------ bulls----. Sit there and say that what we did last year worked? So 2-14 was f----- good enough for you guys? F--- you.' And I threw the paper down and walked out.

"I was very blunt about it. And that's it. [B]If they're not all in, if they're not willing to do it your way, it's time to f----- get rid of those guys. And that's what happened; we systematically got rid of guys that weren't doing it our way." [/B]

Players like Antonio Brown, ODB Jr, need not apply[/quote]

Love this, exactly what this organization has needed for so long.