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So Snyder promoted Smith to VP of Player Personnel but was like that's as far as you're going in this organization mister. No more promotions for you.

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[quote=MTK;1277481]So Snyder promoted Smith to VP of Player Personnel but was like that's as far as you're going in this organization mister. No more promotions for you.[/quote]

That'll learn you real quick boy, you're only going as far as I let you. Nothing says "I dislike you" like getting a promotion and a raise.

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The funny thing is it was probably Snyder that convinced Ron to give Kyle a shot and work with him for a year to see how it goes.

At the end of the day you can't fault Ron for wanting to pick his guys to work with. For whatever reason it wasn't a good fit with Kyle. Oh well, happens all the time. Hopefully it works out great for both sides.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1277451]Um we had bad qb play in alot of those losses, a head coach with cancer, no preseason (that affected new coaches exponentially more than establishef teams). The schedule is what it is. The team played well in the playoffs, against an all around strong team. Thats reason to be hopeful. Add in that it seems like Rivera has a plan and is executing it, and I think you have reason to believe with the right QB play we can make noise in the NFC

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I am hopeful. Never said I wasn't optimistic about our future. I just like to keep things in perspective. We won a bad division w/ a losing record.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1277470]I doubt that Kyle Smith's exit had much to do with RR at all. I think he was as good as gone from the moment[B] he told Dan Snyder in the crowded draft room that he (Snyder) didn't know jack shit about football [/B]when Snyder ordered that DH be drafted in the first round. From then on, he had zero chance of becoming the GM of the WFT, even if RR wanted him.[/quote]

I doubt those were his exact quotes. He would have been fired on the spot.

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[quote=MTK;1277485]The funny thing is it was probably Snyder that convinced Ron to give Kyle a shot and work with him for a year to see how it goes.

At the end of the day you can't fault Ron for wanting to pick his guys to work with. For whatever reason it wasn't a good fit with Kyle. Oh well, happens all the time. Hopefully it works out great for both sides.[/quote]

Didn't we have these same type of discussions when Eric Schaeffer was let go?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1277477]1. He was kept on because he has [U]extraordinary[/U] ability in identifying NFL talent.

2. As long as he stayed in his office watching film and making spreadsheets he could be tolerated because Snyder wanted the benefit of his extraordinary talent.

3. RR does [U]not[/U] have all the powers he was promised by Snyder. That's right, I said Snyder lied to him to get him on board. It's a standard business practice. Did it ever happen to you? It happened to me.

4. Snyder didn't fire him but his punishment was that he would [U]never[/U] be promoted to GM as long as Snyder owns the team.[/quote]

I think you are missing the most obvious. Smith was cursed with the Kavorka and stepping on Dan's vibe.

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Kyle Smith had 2 strikes against him.

He stood up on a table right before they drafted Haskins saying what no one else in the room would say ... "are we seriously going to throw away all of our work on this draft and spend the no. 15 overall pick on a guy we dont have a 1st round grade on just because the owner, whose standing to my left, wants us to?"

RR likes his people.

Water under the bridge imo. I imagine Kyle Smith may land a GM job at some point and I wish him the best, but whether we experience success will have nothing to do with whether or not we retained him.

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[quote=MTK;1277481]So Snyder promoted Smith to VP of Player Personnel but was like that's as far as you're going in this organization mister. No more promotions for you.[/quote]

It's beginning to look like my shit is weak.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1277499]I think you are missing the most obvious. Smith was cursed with the Kavorka and stepping on Dan's vibe.[/quote]

He better get that garlic necklace on asap!!

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Per ProFootballTalk, the Tenn GM indicated that the team isn't likely to resign Jonnu Smith and Corey Davis. I hope we will make efforts to sign Smith next month. Having two TEs who can block and catch balls will create problems for opponents, and it definitely will help our new QB.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1277560]Per ProFootballTalk, the Tenn GM indicated that the team isn't likely to resign Jonnu Smith and Corey Davis. I hope we will make efforts to sign Smith next month. Having two TEs who can block and catch balls will create problems for opponents, and it definitely will help our new QB.[/QUOTE]

I'd take both if the price is right. Given that there's talk of most/all the top WR FA's being tagged, if the Titans let them walk I'd be happy with Davis as #2 to Scary.

On the tag, I can't see how ALL the names being banded are going to be tagged. There just seem too many teams that need to make big cuts to not break the cap.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1277564]I'd take both if the price is right. Given that there's talk of most/all the top WR FA's being tagged, if the Titans let them walk I'd be happy with Davis as #2 to Scary.

On the tag, I can't see how ALL the names being banded are going to be tagged. There just seem too many teams that need to make big cuts to not break the cap.[/quote]

2/23 -- teams can start playing tag

3/9 -- deadline to tag

3/17 -- league year and FA begins. teams must be under the cap (they have yet to announce cap)

[url]https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/important-dates-to-know-on-the-2021-nfl-calendar[/url]

Things will start happening soon. Teams will have to get creative with the cap and make some tough decisions. Hopefully we benefit from this unique time.

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[quote=SunnySide;1277595]2/23 -- teams can start playing tag

3/9 -- deadline to tag

3/17 -- league year and FA begins. teams must be under the cap (they have yet to announce cap)

[url]https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/important-dates-to-know-on-the-2021-nfl-calendar[/url]

Things will start happening soon. Teams will have to get creative with the cap and make some tough decisions. Hopefully we benefit from this unique time.[/quote]

There will definitely be some cap casualty cuts to sift through. A lot of these teams are strapped with dead money and aging vets that they will be apprehensive to extend to get cap relief by converting salary into bonus money across future years.

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Question: with the looming 17 game season, have they said how the last opponent will be selected?
Right now it is 6 games from same division, 1 afc division, 1 nfc division, and 2 nfc teams with same division rank order.

I really liked that setup, and wonder how it will be tweaked to accomodate the 17th game? Maybe an AFC team with same rank order in division?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1277626]Question: with the looming 17 game season, have they said how the last opponent will be selected?
Right now it is 6 games from same division, 1 afc division, 1 nfc division, and 2 nfc teams with same division rank order.

I really liked that setup, and wonder how it will be tweaked to accomodate the 17th game? Maybe an AFC team with same rank order in division?

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It would mean we play Buffalo

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[QUOTE=MTK;1277627]It would mean we play Buffalo[/QUOTE]Ah. Ok thanks

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NFL announces new salary cap floor

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/nfl-announces-new-salary-cap-floor-washington-drivers-seat-nfc-east[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277661]NFL announces new salary cap floor

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/nfl-announces-new-salary-cap-floor-washington-drivers-seat-nfc-east[/url][/quote]

Solid good news. So at least 35M available, may go up to 40M. 5th in the league !

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1277662]Solid good news. So at least 35M available, may go up to 40M. 5th in the league ![/quote]

that is good.

I just feel that overpriced FA have really never been a huge help to us. Just need to spend wisely.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1277663]that is good.



I just feel that overpriced FA have really never been a huge help to us. Just need to spend wisely.[/QUOTE]Maybe we can use that to resign/extend some of our guys... maybe keeping all/most of our Dline studs isn't that far fetched after all.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1277665]Maybe we can use that to resign/extend some of our guys... maybe keeping all/most of our Dline studs isn't that far fetched after all.

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It would be nice to see some movement on these four before free agency:

Brandon Scherff
Ronald Darby
Jonathan Allen
Logan Thomas

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1277665]Maybe we can use that to resign/extend some of our guys... maybe keeping all/most of our Dline studs isn't that far fetched after all.

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Very true.

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We don't need to extend Allen and Thomas yet, though we could save some cap space on Allen's extension. I was going to say I am surprised at having heard nothing about Scherrfs contract , but actually that is the way they seem to operate now. A good process but leaves us fans waiting so long without any information. Wonder if they are even talking yet, I would hope that they have exchanged ideas as soon as he season ended.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1277669]We don't need to extend Allen and Thomas yet, though we could save some cap space on Allen's extension. I was going to say I am surprised at having heard nothing about Scherrfs contract , but actually that is the way they seem to operate now. A good process but leaves us fans waiting so long without any information. Wonder if they are even talking yet, I would hope that they have exchanged ideas as soon as he season ended.[/quote]

Am I wrong, or since Scherff was tagged we can’t “officially” resign him until after the League year starts?

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1277669]We don't need to extend Allen and Thomas yet, though we could save some cap space on Allen's extension. I was going to say I am surprised at having heard nothing about Scherrfs contract , but actually that is the way they seem to operate now. A good process but leaves us fans waiting so long without any information. Wonder if they are even talking yet, I would hope that they have exchanged ideas as soon as he season ended.[/quote]

Yeah I understand there isn't a [I]need[/I] to extend Allen / Thomas yet. However, if you know you want a guy long term, a core player, the club can save money in the long term by doing that a year early, with the salary cap (almost always) rising on an annual basis. I mean both sides have to want to do it, but it's a fairly common thing.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1277672]Am I wrong, or since Scherff was tagged we can’t “officially” resign him until after the League year starts?[/quote]

I thought it was after the season concluded.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277674]I thought it was after the season concluded.[/quote]

I can’t keep straight what they can do when...always seems silly to me.

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I love the way Allen goes about his business. He is all about trying to win. He is a team guy that is a culture setting type player that Ron seems to love. But to me he is such a JAG. I thought we would see so much more disruption from him in the 4-3 and it just didn't happen.

I'm on the fence about giving him a big contract. Payne and Matt I to me are the must haves.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1277677]I love the way Allen goes about his business. He is all about trying to win. He is a team guy that is a culture setting type player that Ron seems to love. But to me he is such a JAG. I thought we would see so much more disruption from him in the 4-3 and it just didn't happen.

I'm on the fence about giving him a big contract. Payne and Matt I to me are the must haves.[/quote]


This is where I am.

Allen's leadership is supposedly off the charts - which isn't something we can easily see as fans.

But Matt I and Payne (and even Settle) have shown as much or more to me.

It'd be great to keep them all. But somewhere else would suffer. Capologists earn their dough figuring all this out for sure.

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This was a really nice breakdown of Allen's game, sorry if you don't have a subscription

[URL="https://theathletic.com/2261770/2020/12/15/jonathan-allen-dominating-from-the-inside-of-washingtons-defensive-line/"]Jonathan Allen dominating from the inside of Washington’s defensive line[/URL]

Much more than just a guy. He also graded out higher than Payne and Settle this year according to PFF.

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Yeah, I'm not sure where the J A G stuff comes from with regard to Allen. He's a beast and a natural born leader.

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I think he has played better in the 4-3 this year than previous years, and he should be better in his second year in JDR defence

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[quote=MTK;1277720]This was a really nice breakdown of Allen's game, sorry if you don't have a subscription

[URL="https://theathletic.com/2261770/2020/12/15/jonathan-allen-dominating-from-the-inside-of-washingtons-defensive-line/"]Jonathan Allen dominating from the inside of Washington’s defensive line[/URL]

Much more than just a guy. He also graded out higher than Payne and Settle this year according to PFF.[/quote]

I think he's similar to how Kerrigan was. He's just so steady, he doesn't stick out, even when he's playing well. He's just consistently productive, but not always a lot of sizzle. I hope we can keep all the guys until we can't. Don't really have a preference who we keep, it's moreso based on what the team can afford.

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I'd value a solid guy like that at DT more than a guy that flashes 2-3 times a game but disappears the rest of the time.

I know many won't like it, but I'd have Matt I as trade bait. Unless he has come off his injury badly, he's shown enough to be valued and the rest of the DL showed enough to say he's not essential. I'd cash in while his value is high, just in case he struggles with injury going forward, and knowing you have the talent to not miss him too much. Assuming RK is gone (or re-signed cheap), that leaves 5 DL to worry about re-signing in the next 4 years, rather than deciding from 7, and could net us a valuable draft pick or 2.

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How long can Washington keep Chase Young, its defensive line together?

[url]https://www.espn.com/blog/washington/post/_/id/41049/how-long-can-washington-keep-chase-young-its-defensive-line-together[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277769]How long can Washington keep Chase Young, its defensive line together?

[url]https://www.espn.com/blog/washington/post/_/id/41049/how-long-can-washington-keep-chase-young-its-defensive-line-together[/url][/quote]

Whatever the record contract is for a pass rusher at the time Chase is extended, just add millions of dollars to that amount and that's what he'll cost.

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Texans kept JJ Watt for years and still built a playoff calibre team around him. As long as we build through the draft an keep replacing our 2nd tier players, no reason we can't keep our tier 1's on the roster.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277769]How long can Washington keep Chase Young, its defensive line together?

[url]https://www.espn.com/blog/washington/post/_/id/41049/how-long-can-washington-keep-chase-young-its-defensive-line-together[/url][/quote]



If it were me, I would [B]keep Allen and Payne[/B] ... extending Allen now, and Payne the year after that.

When Sweat is coming up on his last year, plus the one year option (so two years left), then I would [B]trade Sweat[/B].

Then obviously [B]pay Young [/B]whatever he's worth. Keep him here for the duration.

The edge players cost more ... and it seems like you could replace Sweat a little easier, especially if your interior is still superior.


But this would keep this line intact for as long as possible, and then trading a high value asset without diminishing the line too much.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1277793]If it were me, I would [B]keep Allen and Payne[/B] ... extending Allen now, and Payne the year after that.

When Sweat is coming up on his last year, plus the one year option (so two years left), then I would [B]trade Sweat[/B].

Then obviously [B]pay Young [/B]whatever he's worth. Keep him here for the duration.

The edge players cost more ... and it seems like you could replace Sweat a little easier, especially if your interior is still superior.


But this would keep this line intact for as long as possible, and then trading a high value asset without diminishing the line too much.[/quote]

The model is the Niners who had too many DL guys to resign, and traded one DL for a 1st. That would be the smart play, but doubt anyone gives that much. Long term, I'll take bookend pass rushers over two stud interior guys. Good edge rushers are MUCH harder to find that interior DL. By way of example, with Kerrigan gone, we have two solid edge rushers, Sweat and Young, if either gets hurt, nothing substantial behind them. We have Allen, Payne, Io, and Settle at DT, though Io only here through 2022.

The progression kind of sucks for us. Taking Kerrigan #16 in 2011 makes sense. Allen at #17 makes sense in 2017. You know have stud DE with stud DT. Payne at #13 in 2018 is also not absurd, he was rated top-10 and fell, and could play NT. By 2019, you know Kerrigan isn't performing high level consistently all season because of age, and you're going to let him walk after 2020 most probably. So you see a guy you like who fell, Sweat, and trade up for him. Now after 2020 you have two stud DTs and an outside edge rusher, not absurd to keep all three long term, with no inkling you're going to implode, end up with #2 pick and shot at generational Edge in Young.

My priority is Young, Sweat, Payne, Allen. I just think Payne is more of a physical freak and better at clogging the middle than Allen. I mean, what are the contracts long-term when the salary cap is back up to say $200M?

Top DTs present make $20M, and I don't think Allen or Payne are quite as good as Donald etc. Allen especially. Top DEs make $25M. These prices will be higher in few years, but even at present-value bargains, we'd be talking $90M for four starters on DL. No way. Sweat still work in progress, but have to make long-term decision soon on the group in aggregate. Even keeping three of them may not be possible. Average DL spending at present $30M, highest is Eagles $77M, with other elite DL teams spending $40-$55M and about 20% - 30% of cap. Chiefs, Bills, Niners, Rams among them, teams made deep playoff runs last few years. To keep even 3 of the guys would probably require almost a third of our salary cap.

I'll take the edge rushers every time, but the risk is that you let Allen walk and then Sweat never realizes his potential. I like having Sweat Young with Payne between them essentially playing nose or close to it, and then plug a Settle, an Io, or a later round pick with hustle in, versus having two stud DTs and nothing on edge. Edge players MUCH harder to find.

The obvious question also is do you just let Allen play out rookie deal and walk, or can you trade him for 2nd? If you can't, just take the 3rd comp year after? The other thing is you could, but we won't, resign Allen and have a huge cap hit first year and then make him affordable years after, but this disincentivizes future production.