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Thoughts on the H.R. 1 Bill?

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In regards to asylum. What is a legitimate reason for it to be accepted? It basically feels like anyone from any country not as good as America (which is all of them), should be able to claim asylum.

Does anyone think that every person that comes here illegally is coming for asylum or that they just want to be here (which I don't blame them for)? And even if they are claiming asylum because they think it's truly justified, does anyone think the government is setting up asylum hearings for everyone, and when they don't show up, trying to find them and deport them back?

Illegal immigration is a problem in this country and so is the process the government has created. All this talk about reform has been going on since Reagan, at least. Where the hell is the reform? Does it take 100 years? The people in charge don't care about reform. But not enough Americans demand actual change, so the same cycles go on and on.

Note - I have a tendency to get frustrated and make sweeping generalizations. This is the only place I actually regularly talk about politics. Doesn't justify it, but I take my frustrations in general, out here. So you guys see me at my political worst very often. And I love all y'all, but it's still different without actually meeting anyone ever. Gonna try to ask more questions and set up a possibility for actual conversation. Bear with me, if even my questions still seem one-sided. That'll be a work in progress.

Go Washington!!

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United Teachers Los Angeles:

"If you are planning any trips for Spring Break, please keep that off of Social Media. It is hard to argue that it is unsafe for in-person instruction, if parents and the public see vacation photos and international travel."

What are they even Spring Breaking from lol? Not working must be tough.

But the hilarious part is they aren't saying don't take Spring Break vacations during a pandemic, where we're not doing our jobs because COVID is too dangerous, it's take the vacations, just leave the cell phones in the hotel room.

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"Progress"

[URL="https://www.npr.org/2021/03/10/975546070/arkansas-passes-near-total-abortion-ban-as-lawmakers-push-for-supreme-court-case"]Arkansas Passes Near-Total Abortion Ban As Lawmakers Push For Supreme Court Case[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1278835]"Progress"

[URL="https://www.npr.org/2021/03/10/975546070/arkansas-passes-near-total-abortion-ban-as-lawmakers-push-for-supreme-court-case"]Arkansas Passes Near-Total Abortion Ban As Lawmakers Push For Supreme Court Case[/URL][/quote]

Problem is the extremists on both sides drive the legislation and lawsuits on this issue. It is the whole loaf or nothing position which is what Arkansas is trying here.
The US allows for the most extreme abortion permissions on the planet. Most Americans want abortion to be legal but with some actual restrictions - right now states are permitted to have abortions with no restrictions if they so choose (ie Vermont, NY etc.). Arkansas should have pushed for legal abortions in the 1st trimester with strong restrictions after that. But no they pass a law that will get thrown out because they want to ban all abortions.

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Abortion .. pro choice .. pro life ... thats always a hard one for me. I think most reasonable heads agree there should be a time line where you can only have an abortion if it is medically necessary and recommended.

But I understand if people thinks its murder, theres no concession from them. My problem with that segment is that they are usually very religious so they say at conception vs doctors who define life as when the fetus would be viable outside womb. I strongly disagree with religion steering politics.

Besides .. doesnt the bible say a baby gets its soul at its quickening when it takes its first breath after birth and God enters and gives the baby its soul?

91% of abortions are within the first 13 weeks

1.4% of abortions occur after 21 weeks

24 weeks - around the time the fetus would be viable outside womb

Did you know that the "clock" starts the day after their last period ends. So a woman could go almost 5-6 weeks before starting to wonder whey her period is late and then reasonably take steps to take a test.

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I think:

- there should be a 24 hour waiting period. Woman gets consult, then they set appointment at earliest 24 hours from then

- Given literature on adoption options and counseling on that area if they want it

- any abortion after 22 weeks would need a doctor approval

- any abortion after 26 weeks would need doctor approval and medical necessity

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[quote=nonniey;1278914]Problem is the extremists on both sides drive the legislation and lawsuits on this issue. It is the whole loaf or nothing position which is what Arkansas is trying here.
The US allows for the most extreme abortion permissions on the planet. Most Americans want abortion to be legal but with some actual restrictions [B]- right now states are permitted to have abortions with no restrictions if they so choose [/b](ie Vermont, NY etc.). Arkansas should have pushed for legal abortions in the 1st trimester with strong restrictions after that. But no they pass a law that will get thrown out because they want to ban all abortions.[/quote]

Really?

I feel like your perspective is lacking because any woman who carries a baby into the second and third trimester is someone who wants the baby. Most women who get second/third trimester abortions do so because the pregnancy is unviable and the mother or baby's life is at risk.

Imagine carrying a baby for 3-6 months and then deciding nahhh, flush that shit out of me. How many women do you know of have done that?

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[quote=mooby;1278929]Really?

I feel like your perspective is lacking because any woman who carries a baby into the second and third trimester is someone who wants the baby. Most women who get second/third trimester abortions do so because the pregnancy is unviable and the mother or baby's life is at risk.

Imagine carrying a baby for 3-6 months and then deciding nahhh, flush that shit out of me. How many women do you know of have done that?[/quote]

Yes really, and yes it is likely most women who get a late term abortion have to for medical reasons. You said it yourself - most.

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No man should have any say on whether Abortion should be legal.

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^^ I second that, as a guy I think we should say the F out of reproductive rights issues.

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[quote=nonniey;1278962]Yes really, and yes it is likely most women who get a late term abortion have to for medical reasons. You said it yourself - most.[/quote]

Vermont had 1204 abortions in 2018. 20 were performed at 21 weeks or later.

I would assume that those 20 involved women who wanted to carry to birth but had to abort for medical reasons. But idk.

Abortions after 21 weeks or so is so small a percent, I dont think that abortion laws should be based on that 1% and ignoring the other 99%. .. unless you think all abortions should be illegal, then you tunnel vision on that 1% as guiding your argument

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[quote=SunnySide;1278980]Vermont had 1204 abortions in 2018. 20 were performed at 21 weeks or later.

I would assume that those 20 involved women who wanted to carry to birth but had to abort for medical reasons. But idk.

Abortions after 21 weeks or so is so small a percent, I dont think that abortion laws should be based on that 1% and ignoring the other 99%. .. unless you think all abortions should be illegal, then you tunnel vision on that 1% as guiding your argument[/quote]

So what your are saying is that you think it should be legal to abort a healthy fetus up to the minute before it would be born? That is what it is legal to do in Vermont and some other states (note it is not legal in any European country). All 20 may have needed to get a late term abortion (Like you I don't know) I wouldn't want to stop that. I just want restrictions in place that would make it illegal to abort a late term healthy fetus that is no threat to the physical life of the mother. IMO, the argument that so few of those occur that it isn't important doesn't really hold water.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1278984I just want restrictions in place that would make it illegal to abort a late term healthy fetus that is no threat to the physical life of the mother. IMO, the argument that so few of those occur that it isn't important doesn't really hold water.[/QUOTE]

Yes, id want those same restrictions. After 22-24 weeks, it would need to be medically necessary.

1/3 of clinics cant do abortions after 20 weeks and only 16% clinics do abortions at 24 weeks.

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What I was saying is that the 1% of late term abortions, (seemingly done bc birth abnormalities) shouldnt drive the discussion that effects the other vast majority 99%.

edit - this is just my opinion, I do respect pro-lifers opinion and view point

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[quote=SunnySide;1278988]Yes, id want those same restrictions. After 22-24 weeks, it would need to be medically necessary.

1/3 of clinics cant do abortions after 20 weeks and only 16% clinics do abortions at 24 weeks.

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What I was saying is that the 1% of late term abortions, (seemingly done bc birth abnormalities) shouldnt drive the discussion that effects the other vast majority 99%.

edit - this is just my opinion, I do respect pro-lifers opinion and view point[/quote]

Well that was the point of my original post that the extreme elements on both sides drive the argument. So the fight is always no restrictions at all versus total ban and the vast majority of most Americans are opposed to both those positions.

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[quote=nonniey;1278994]Well that was the point of my original post that the extreme elements on both sides drive the argument. So the fight is always no restrictions at all versus total ban and the vast majority of most Americans are opposed to both those positions.[/quote]

Pro Choice does not want no restrictions free for all. Thats just not true.

Pro choice wants [U]Roe v Wade [/U]to be followed. No restrictions on 1st T, State can put restrictions on 2nd T in name of womans health only, States can ban 3rd T abortions unless an abortion is only way to save woman from dying.

Thats why the vast majority of Americans are pro choice.

There are not 2 polar extremes here, only one.

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[quote=MTK;1278975]^^ I second that, as a guy I think we should say the F out of reproductive rights issues.[/quote]

+2

Imagine the outcry if women tried to pass a law restricting men's reproductive rights, they would immediately be ridiculed and ostracized (deservedly so).

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Chico?? Buehler? Buehler???

I actually finally drove up to check in on a buddy this week that just completely disappeared off the grid. Like had to sneak in thru the gate when someone left. Haven't heard from him since before Christmas. Turns out he was perfectly fine and chose to just disappear and not let any of us know he wasn't talking to us anymore.

COVID has me thinking worst case scenario when someone's actions change. Chico, hope all is well.

JamF has spurts of posting regularly, then not very often. Haven't heard from him in a while either. Hopefully my fellow so-cal brother is also doing well.

Hope everyone else is doing well too. Hopefully we're all finally on the path towards normalcy, or at least the new normalcy. I'd go watch Britney Spears in concert at this point.

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How is allowing abortions about re-productive rights? Women and men in this country have all the re-productive rights in the world to: be celebate; if you have sex, be smart, etc, etc.

The term 'Re" in general would imply you're trying to replicate something. Reproduction would imply you're trying to re-create life. Not kill life.

Abortion is the exact opposite of reproducing or reproductive.

I'd also say that allowing women to have 100% control over aborting her and the father's baby, is a law against men's "reproductive" rights. Believe it or not, only the woman mother can still actually physically birth children, but the male dad is still the dad. Why does his opinion not matter? Or what if the dad wants the abortion, but the mom doesn't, if she (rightfully) chooses life, does he have absolutely zero responsibility for raising the child, at least financially? Of-fucking-course not.

All this talk about the extremes is just that. Most abortions are done early and due to one or both people not wanting to be accountable for his/her/their decisions. I'd guess that men are more responsible for this. And that's sad, but the other alternative isn't better either.

#life

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1279015]How is allowing abortions about re-productive rights? Women and men in this country have all the re-productive rights in the world to: be celebate; if you have sex, be smart, etc, etc.

[B]The term 'Re" in general would imply you're trying to replicate something. Reproduction would imply you're trying to re-create life. Not kill life.
[/B]
Abortion is the exact opposite of reproducing or reproductive.

I'd also say that allowing women to have 100% control over aborting her and the father's baby, is a law against men's "reproductive" rights. Believe it or not, only the woman mother can still actually physically birth children, but the male dad is still the dad. Why does his opinion not matter? Or what if the dad wants the abortion, but the mom doesn't, if she (rightfully) chooses life, does he have absolutely zero responsibility for raising the child, at least financially? Of-fucking-course not.

All this talk about the extremes is just that. Most abortions are done early and due to one or both people not wanting to be accountable for his/her/their decisions. I'd guess that men are more responsible for this. And that's sad, but the other alternative isn't better either.

#life[/quote]

We're not here to argue semantics, reproductive rights is just a term used to talk about abortion.

The hilarious thing about this argument is I doubt you'd find anyone on this board who thinks a woman should be allowed to get a third trimester abortion for no reason at all. Of course at that stage it should only be if the woman or baby's life is at risk. But the reality is you have some people on your team that want all abortion outlawed. They have no interest in conceding anything. They intentionally left out exceptions for rape or incest in Arkansas, how the fuck is that having this debate in good faith? It's not. So they can go fuck themselves, and if any conservative wants to fight the good fight with them they know where they stand too.

Yes the dad's opinion should matter but that's a more nuanced argument. If the woman doesn't want an abortion but the guy makes it clear from the start he's not going to support her or the kid she should know what she's getting into. But I put blame on the dad too for not wanting to wrap it up while he's getting some ass. We know the risks when we choose not to wear a condom. #pulloutgamestrong

+1 hope Chico is okay too.

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[quote=mooby;1279003]+2

Imagine the outcry if women tried to pass a law restricting men's reproductive rights, they would immediately be ridiculed and ostracized (deservedly so).[/quote]

Bingo! Johnny tell the Man what he has won!

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1278974]No man should have any say on whether Abortion should be legal.[/QUOTE]



Was coming in here to point out the comedy of a bunch of dudes deciding what is best for women. I am sure they will be taking all of our advice into consideration. Lol.

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[quote=mooby;1279016]……..

The hilarious thing about this argument is I doubt you'd find anyone on this board who thinks a woman should be allowed to get a third trimester abortion for no reason at all. Of course at that stage it should only be if the woman or baby's life is at risk. ………...[/quote]

And yet about 3000 late term pregnancies get aborted when the woman's life is not at risk and the fetus healthy. I'm counted as part of the majority of Americans as pro-choice but I have a big problem with what is currently legal.

(I wouldn't restrict abortions prior to 18 weeks - the record for a pre-mature birth surviving is 21 weeks)

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[quote=nonniey;1279034]And yet about [B]3000 late term pregnancies get aborted when the woman's life is not at risk and the fetus healthy[/B]. I'm counted as part of the majority of Americans as pro-choice but I have a big problem with what is currently legal.

(I wouldn't restrict abortions prior to 18 weeks - the record for a pre-mature birth surviving is 21 weeks)[/quote]

Source?

Just googling I came up with this:

[url]https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-abortion-law-in-new-york-will-change-and-how-it-wont[/url]

But I haven't seen any source that says 3000 late term pregnancies were aborted for no legitimate medical reason. Also what do you define as late term?

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[quote=punch it in;1279022]Was coming in here to point out the comedy of a bunch of dudes deciding what is best for women. I am sure they will be taking all of our advice into consideration. Lol.[/quote]

No one is deciding what is best for women. Well except the approximate 50% of abortions that are baby girls.

The debate about abortion is about the baby being given life or death. And whether either parent has the right to kill their baby because it's best for them. Doing what is best for you at the harm to someone else is being selfish.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1279041]No one is deciding what is best for women. Well except the approximate 50% of abortions that are baby girls.

The debate about abortion is about the baby being given life or death. And whether either parent has the right to kill their baby because it's best for them. Doing what is best for you at the harm to someone else is being selfish.[/quote]

We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, in my uneducated opinion the vast majority of abortions are performed while the fetus is nothing more than a pile of tissue, and the ones done later than that are mostly done for medical reasons. That's good enough for me.

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[quote=mooby;1279042]We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, in my uneducated opinion [B]the vast majority of abortions are performed while the fetus is nothing more than a pile of tissue[/B], and the ones done later than that are mostly done for medical reasons. That's good enough for me.[/quote]

This whole post = Fair enough

Bolded Section:

This is where the differences of opinion come from. Depending on what you feel about the very early stages of life, will likely be what influences your opinion about abortions that are done for non-medical/rape/incest reasons. It definitely does for mine. I disagree with your stance but that's OK that we disagree.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1279041]No one is deciding what is best for women. Well except the approximate 50% of abortions that are baby girls.



The debate about abortion is about the baby being given life or death. And whether either parent has the right to kill their baby because it's best for them. Doing what is best for you at the harm to someone else is being selfish.[/QUOTE]



Since my last post I still have the same equipment so I will continue to stay out of this discussion.

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[quote=mooby;1279040]Source?

Just googling I came up with this:

[url]https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-abortion-law-in-new-york-will-change-and-how-it-wont[/url]

But I haven't seen any source that says 3000 late term pregnancies were aborted for no legitimate medical reason. Also what do you define as late term?[/quote]

Well this source I attached indicates it may be significantly higher than 3000 but I will continue to look for the source I was looking at yesterday (Which was also referencing CDC data. I also posted the CDC link at the bottom - bit of a slog to work thru. Oh and 20 weeks is how I define it (note premature babies have survived at 21 weeks).


[url]http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/late_term_abortion_usa.html[/url]

"Abstract: Available data are sufficient to refute some claims regarding late-term abortions in the United States ("late-term" abortions here referring to abortions at >20 weeks' gestation). Here we use official data (from the Centers for Disease Control and state health agencies) to develop estimates of such abortions for 2005 to 2018. For the year 2018, best estimates (and plausible ranges in parentheses) for such abortions are: 11,500 (9,100 to 15,400) at >20 weeks' gestation; 900 (400 to 1,600) at >24 weeks' gestation; and 160 (50 to 260) at >28 weeks' gestation. There were significant changes in the top states for percentages of late abortions in 2005-2018, reflecting relocations of late-term abortion "services". Based on information reported by Arizona, Florida, and Utah, probably 30-80% of late-term abortions are "elective" (non-health related), 20-60% are in cases of fetal health issues, and only 3-10% are in cases of maternal health. These figures are generally consistent with those reported both in Guttmacher Institute surveys and in past testimony by individuals who perform such abortions. Estimated current annual revenue to the abortion industry from late-term abortions is about $20,000,000 ($12,000,000 to $40,000,000). Abortion [B]on demand (i.e. for elective reasons) at any point in pregnancy through birth is currently permitted in 7 states,[/B] placing the United States among only four countries in the world with policies this extreme. However, since abortion practice in some countries is inconsistent with their respective laws, actual levels of late-term abortions are comparable between the United States and a number of developed countries. "


CDC abortion surveillance report link.

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm[/url]

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Data showing most late term abortions are elective. This surprised me as l thought most would have been done due to serious health reasons of either the mother or fetus.

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Note Guttenmacher is a pro-choice/pro-abortion organization. (They explain why most are elective in this link).

[url]https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks[/url].

"….Women aged 20–24 were more likely than those aged 25–34 to have a later abortion (odds ratio, 2.7), and women who discovered their pregnancy before eight weeks’ gestation were less likely than others to do so (0.1). Later abortion recipients experienced logistical delays (e.g., difficulty finding a provider and raising funds for the procedure and travel costs), which compounded other delays in receiving care. Most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.

CONCLUSION: Bans on abortion after 20 weeks will disproportionately affect young women and women with limited financial resources."

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Lozier institute

[url]https://lozierinstitute.org/science-has-failed-to-study-abortion/#:~:text=A%20more%20recent%20Guttmacher%20study%20focused%20on%20abortions,for%20reasons%20of%20fetal%20anomaly%20or%20life%20endangerment.%E2%80%9D[/url]

"An op-ed entitled “Late-Term Abortion and Medical Necessity: A Failure of Science” by Dr. James Studnicki published in the peer-reviewed journal Health Services Research and Managerial Epidemiology argues against the necessity of late-term abortion and why abortion data and research are inadequate. In explaining why women electively choose late-term abortions, Studnicki even cites pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute, writing:"

“Most late-term abortions are elective, done on healthy women with healthy fetuses, and for the same reasons given by women experiencing first trimester abortions. The Guttmacher Institute has provided a number of reports over two decades which have identified the reasons why women choose abortion, and they have consistently reported that childbearing would interfere with their education, work, and ability to care for existing dependents; would be a financial burden; and would disrupt partner relationships. A more recent Guttmacher study focused on abortions after 20 weeks of gestation and similarly concluded that women seeking late-term abortions were not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment.”

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Between today and Wednesday, seems like the best time to sneak in a political comment without being caught.

Not going to though.

I don't like AOC, but this one was pretty good:

"This week in Congress: Dems: Passed $1.9T COVID package to deliver stimulus checks (w/ dependents!), cut child poverty in half, extend $300 UI, prevent cuts in state + local services, largest-ever investment in Native communities, etc," Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., tweeted on Thursday. [B]"GOP: Took a week to read The Cat in the Hat.[/B]"

Pretty damn good AOC, pretty damn good.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1279041]No one is deciding what is best for women. Well except the approximate 50% of abortions that are baby girls.

The debate about abortion is about the baby being given life or death. And whether either parent has the right to kill their baby because it's best for them. Doing what is best for you at the harm to someone else is being selfish.[/quote]

That's BS .

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The President of El Salvador made some great points. He was interviewed by Tucker, so I'll assume a lot of the major political posters here will disregard it.

But a major point he made, which I don't think about enough personally, is the negative impact on the country the people are leaving from. The overall people leaving are younger than the average population, and the younger the people leaving the more the workforce is losing ideal candidates. So we're not only promoting illegal immigration, we're hurting the countries the people are coming from, which then promotes more illegal immigration. Rinse, wash, repeat. So the next waive of young people will leave for the same reasons that we helped preputuate.

[B]But they'll always vote majority democrat, so there are no issues with it.[/B] My last sentence is not directed towards individual democrat voters, but it's definitely part of the democratic party platform. The party doesn't give a shit about you or this country. Power is all that matters.

And yes the republican party doesn't give a shit about us overall either. The mainstream republican party also promotes illegal immigration. Fuck us and fuck El Salvador, etc.

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Illegal immigrants cant vote in Federal elections ...

but dont let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

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[quote=SunnySide;1279999]Illegal immigrants cant vote in Federal elections ...

but dont let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.[/quote]

The goal is to eventually have them become U.S. citizens and/or "meet" whatever minimum requirement needed to let them vote.

If you don't agree, that's fine by me.

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Accept this as my resignation letter from the political threads.

If I post something political, you can rightfully assume I'm drunk.

I've loved this site since the day I joined, and have only talked about politics the last few years. Going back to my roots here.

I like talking politics sometimes, but I don't agree with a lot of people here, and the gap isn't going to close. Also, I feel like I semi know a lot of people here, but it's just not the same as talking about politics in person.

I've lived in CA my whole life, obviously way more liberal than conservative. But I've rarely ever in my life had more, for lack of a better term, rude discussions about politics than I've had here (outside of my actual friends). And I'm the asshole at least half the time here. It's just harder to have a real conversation about politics if it's not very personal. Not impossible, but definitely way harder.

And I like talking to all of you way more about our team than politics. You can find a political argument anywhere you want one. Can't find a great group of Washington Football Team fans like we have here.

G1, you're not a WFT fan, but you are a solid contributor to this site. So a shout-out to you too. We disagree on 99.99% of everything, but we're flat tax bro's lol.

Can't wait for the draft.

Doesn't matter who is right or wrong, I just don't want to argue anymore (here).

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Biden first press conference: yikes

He isn’t all there. Kinda sad really

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We have always had a policy of white foot/black foot er I mean wet foot/dry foot when it has come to the difference between the treatment of Cubans and Haitians. Cubans welcomed with open arms. Haitians? see you later. Yet both are escaping similar political oppression and searching for freedom. I guess the moral of the story is don't try to seek refuge in the strongest political state in the Western Hemisphere if you come from the poorest.

[url]https://www.democracynow.org/2021/3/25/headlines/deportations_of_haitians_soar_under_biden_despite_political_crisis_in_haiti?fbclid=IwAR3m-9_-ean44MT82xdYgDKnBQQ4N-OYgZ7iLWAwjZtr19m6rL-H-Bh5XKM[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1280259]Biden first press conference: yikes

He isn’t all there. Kinda sad really[/quote]

LOL, gee chico bitching . I'll alert the media!

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[quote=Chico23231;1280259]Trump first press conference: yikes

He isn’t all there. Kinda sad really[/quote]

And we've come full circle.

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[quote=mooby;1280269]And we've come full circle.[/quote]

Like kids in cages and the president not giving a flying fuck about Khashoggi being killed?

Won’t here nothing about this from the libs now...