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[url]https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1477774290237988864[/url]

linebacker news: Jamin Davis only played one snap on defense yesterday - looks like mike is gonna be another need this offseason and Davis/Holcomb will be primarily on the outside next season. What does that mean for Collins? TBD.

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[quote=mooby;1306700][url]https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1477774290237988864[/url]

linebacker news: Jamin Davis only played one snap on defense yesterday - looks like mike is gonna be another need this offseason and Davis/Holcomb will be primarily on the outside next season. What does that mean for Collins? TBD.[/quote]

I think he played more than that, but still not many, apparently they wanted Mayo to play MLB, to free up Holcomb. So major miss for the FO last offseason, and I don't know if there are any significant FA available at that position

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Washington's Week 17 snaps:

* Offense 63, Defense 61

* D. Mayo played 40 snaps, Jamin Davis 13 (21%)

* WR room - McLaurin 60, Sims 47 (75%), Humphries 33, Carter 22, Brown 7

* Danny Johnson one of 5 defenders to play every snap

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1306699]It looks to me like they have two choices , trade for Watson (which I am not sure about) or ride with Heinike and a rookie QB. Neither is ideal but that is the situation[/quote]

This team has no chance with Heinicke as the QB. If they go into next season with him as starter Rivera screwed up. Watson has too much baggage for a baggage laden organization like WFT to touch. WFT has to keep taking shots at QB until it hits on one.

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Point is there aren't many viable options. QB is not going to be good next year regardless. Unless they sell the farm for a veteran, however all of the "available" ones have issues.

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Ridder seems to be the one with the best physical ability. Good size, can throw a long, hard pass, leadership skills. I admit he is an unfinished product and will take two years to develop him. But to me at least I see the potential for him to be a really good QB with proper development. Now that raises the bigger issue: do we have the staff to develop him properly? I would say "no." But if we had a QB guru on staff, Ridder to me is the one who can be developed into a top flight QB.

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We don’t know how good Pickett or Willis or Ridder will be.

Nobody thought Josh Allen or Justin Herbert would be this good.

You can’t just say “there isn’t any great QBs in this draft” you have to keep picking one until you find that Gem.

Picketts issue is the gloves which he wears because he has small hands and they help grip the ball better.

That is a concern but not the end of the world.. Joe Burrow has small hands too but he’s doing just fine.

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[QUOTE=Ohioskins;1306706]Ridder seems to be the one with the best physical ability. Good size, can throw a long, hard pass, leadership skills. I admit he is an unfinished product and will take two years to develop him. But to me at least I see the potential for him to be a really good QB with proper development. Now that raises the bigger issue: do we have the staff to develop him properly? I would say "no." But if we had a QB guru on staff, Ridder to me is the one who can be developed into a top flight QB.[/QUOTE]


I agree with this, I think he has the most upside of any QB in this draft. He’s also sneaky athletic and can move around well.


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Strong of Nevada has declared for the draft. He may be the kind of guy that will sneak up some draft boards. Problem is he really isn't mobile at all.

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Then no thanks. An NFL QB today must have some mobility to move around. Does not have to be Tarkenton, but he can't be the type who sits in the pocket like a dead duck.

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[url]https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/positions/QB/1/2022[/url]

I like these breakdowns … interesting

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[quote=Ohioskins;1306711]Then no thanks. An NFL QB today must have some mobility to move around. Does not have to be Tarkenton, but he can't be the type who sits in the pocket like a dead duck.[/quote]

Burrow isn't very mobile, Brady is a slug.. It's an added bonus but not a huge factor

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If you look at Strong drop back and throw the ball, you could argue he is the best guy in the draft in those areas. Elite arm talent and accuracy is not in question at all.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1306722]If you look at Strong drop back and throw the ball, you could argue he is the best guy in the draft in those areas. Elite arm talent and accuracy is not in question at all.[/quote]

I haven't watched much on him, but for any QB if the arm talent and decision making abilities are there, he can get away with not being mobile in the NFL.

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The concern with Strong is the long term health of his knee.

But he is good and can really throw the rock.

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This staff has produced 20 Passing TDs out of a guy that would be 31 other teams QB2.. I think with a legit passer we could see a big leap

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1306730]This staff has produced 20 Passing TDs out of a guy that would be 31 other teams QB2.. I think with a legit passer we could see a big leap[/quote]

Yeah I'd like to see this offense with a QB that is capable of stretching the field and making all the throws.

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[quote=MTK;1306736]Yeah I'd like to see this offense with a QB that is capable of stretching the field and making all the throws.[/quote]

Hopefully Terry stays but man he's gotta be depressed with these QBs every yr

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Burrow IS quite mobile.

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Wow, that article was a really good summary. Based on that survey, I would pass on a first round QB pick, draft the best player available and then go with Jurkovec in the second round.

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[quote=MTK;1306736]Yeah I'd like to see this offense with a QB that is capable of stretching the field and making all the throws.[/quote]

Agree. I think that's what they thought they were getting with Fitz but it didn't work out.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1306707]We don’t know how good Pickett or Willis or Ridder will be.

Nobody thought Josh Allen or Justin Herbert would be this good.

You can’t just say “there isn’t any great QBs in this draft” you have to keep picking one until you find that Gem.

Picketts issue is the gloves which he wears because he has small hands and they help grip the ball better.

That is a concern but not the end of the world.. Joe Burrow has small hands too but he’s doing just fine.[/quote]

Kurt Warner wore gloves the last few years of his career. That means nothing. Some guys get a better grip w/ these high tec gloves. That hopefully will not stop us from drafting him.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1306747]Wow, that article was a really good summary. Based on that survey, I would pass on a first round QB pick, draft the best player available and then go with Jurkovec in the second round.[/quote]

we did that and drafted Jamin Davis.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1306756]Kurt Warner wore gloves the last few years of his career. That means nothing. Some guys get a better grip w/ these high tec gloves. That hopefully will not stop us from drafting him.[/quote]

See below article regarding his hands.

[url]https://www.profootballnetwork.com/is-kenny-pickett-qb1-in-the-2022-nfl-draft/2/#Contextualizing-Picketts-hand-size-with-historical-data[/url]

"Some reports have Pickett’s hand size at around 8.25 inches, while others tell of a figure slightly under 8. Whatever the case, this isn’t your usual hand size discussion. This is legitimate uncharted territory. A historical comparison — using data provided by resident RAS guru Kent Lee Platte — shows just how far off the map we are.

Over the past 37 seasons, 650 quarterbacks have registered hand measurements, either at combines or pro days. Of those 650 quarterbacks, Pickett would have the third-smallest hands of the group with his reported measurements. Only Tony Lowery (7.63 inches) and Doug Hudson (7.25 inches) had smaller. Divide it up, and Pickett’s hands are smaller than 99.6% of all hand measurements on record over that range. He’s in the 0.4th percentile."

That is a pretty big cause of concern imo, especially since the NFL ball is slightly larger than NCAAF.

He's older too. He will be 24 by next season. So he should be ahead of other guys right now. But other guys will probably be better in a couple years.

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I would dispute that Jamin Davis was BPA when we drafted him.

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Also the Rams did not use a first round pick on Warner.

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This is what the combine and Pro Day workouts are for. If Pickett has trouble w/ the NFL ball then they'll see it right away. It is probably why he wears gloves, to get the grip.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1306763]I would dispute that Jamin Davis was BPA when we drafted him.[/quote]

Knowing what we know now he's a mid rounder at best.

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What can we get for Payne?

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Nice breakdown from Jordan Reid (scout) on QB prospects:

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/story/_/id/32942414/meet-2022-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-stats-background-analysis-kenny-pickett-desmond-ridder-matt-corral-malik-willis[/url]

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[quote=rocnrik;1306779]What can we get for Payne?[/quote]

I hope you aren't looking to get draft picks, they aren't worth it. QB isn't the only position that is bad in this draft. Bottomline don't trade good players for draft picks when it is a shitty draft class.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1306779]What can we get for Payne?[/QUOTE]


Less than we could have before he decided to throw a tantrum and get into an altercation with our All Pro team captain DL Jon Allen.


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Payne is a good player, we need to keep good players

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1306793]Payne is a good player, we need to keep good players[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't wholly disagree, but we have Allen, Matty I and Settle backing them up. I'd say if there's anywhere we have good depth, it's DT. We can't afford to pay them up when their contracts come up, so makes sense to consider draft capital while we can.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1306796]I wouldn't wholly disagree, but we have Allen, Matty I and Settle backing them up. I'd say if there's anywhere we have good depth, it's DT. We can't afford to pay them up when their contracts come up, so makes sense to consider draft capital while we can.[/quote]

That’s my point .. we continue to let players go without getting nothing .. I’m with you .. get some compensation !!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1306780]Nice breakdown from Jordan Reid (scout) on QB prospects:

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/story/_/id/32942414/meet-2022-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-stats-background-analysis-kenny-pickett-desmond-ridder-matt-corral-malik-willis[/url][/quote]

Nice, thanks for sharing!

What do you guys think of Sam Howell? I don't watch college games so I don't know much about Howell or any other players. Although Howell caught my attention when I watched Dyami Brown's highlights last year.

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Howell is really good, gamer , tough , he's kinda like a Mayfield tho.. He will make some throws that you scratch your head on

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At least the decision making process can be improved, I like what I see from Howell in his highlights so I wouldn't be upset if we draft him. There are a few QB options so it will be interesting to see who WFT draft.

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[quote=rocnrik;1306801]That’s my point .. we continue to let players go without getting nothing .. I’m with you .. get some compensation !![/quote]

Again, I'd like to point out this is a terrible draft class so trading good players for picks in this class would be a pretty stupid thing to do. Now if the idea is to trade him for another good veteran that is a different story.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1306864]Again, I'd like to point out this is a terrible draft class so trading good players for picks in this class would be a pretty stupid thing to do. Now if the idea is to trade him for another good veteran that is a different story.[/QUOTE]

It's a balance of benefit to the team retaining a player or getting some form of compensation instead of letting them walk in FA. If the benefit outweighs the comp, then they likely stay.

Payne's 5th year option is $8.5M, which is not insignificant. He's very good, but arguably when he's been absent, Matty I and Settle filled in fine. I wouldn't be actively shopping him around come the end of the season, but I'd certainly listen to offers.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1306793]Payne is a good player, we need to keep good players[/quote]

We can sign Ioaniddis and Settle for less than Payne will cost by himself. And he only has 1 year left.

As long as the draft compensation is fair, I don't think trading him is a bad idea.

It's not necessary if say someone only offers like a 5th rounder. I'd rather have Payne for 1 more year because he is good.

But if someone offered a 2nd, I'd do that trade, then work on signing at least 1 of those other 2 guys, and ideally both.